chiphpug-discuss — Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group.

[chiPHPug-discuss] JOB: PHP Chicagoland eCommerce

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Long-established high tech company seeks PHP programmer for
ecommerce site.

Position is part-time and consultants are welcome
to apply.

Responsibilities are coding only.

All artistry, editorial, network infrastructure, vulerability/security
are done by staff in-house.

Site has approximately 1,000 items divided among (7) product groups.

In the next quarter, the numbers to be displayed will increase by an
additional 1000 items.

Changes to the site need to be made in a timely manner.

Rate of payment is $45-$55 per hour.

References needed, ability to pass bi, alcohol/drug screening
if requested, confidentiality agreement required.

Send cover letter and resume to Rich (just reply) who will forward it
to the client.

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[chiPHPug-discuss] BARCAMP instead of JUN 20

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Hey y'all.

Info.com has moved, so we aren't gonna be meeting in that swank room
anymore.

My house is a shambles this week, as the painters are there stripping
all the woodwork and painting the walls and whatnot.

Plus, everybody's going to Barcamp anyway, right?
http://barcampchicago.com/

So let's just SKIP the JUNE 20 meeting, no matter what emails said,
and we'll all hang out at Barcamp JUNE 23/24.

By mid-July, we should be able to just meet at my house, which
simplifies the reservations, security, food/beer, and just about
everything, except maybe transporation...

Proximity factors (from Google):
RED LINE GRANVILLE STOP: 1 mile
METRA ROGERS PARK STOP: 1.7 miles
LAKR SHORE DRIVE END: 1.4 miles

Feel free to Google the address to figure out how good/bad it would be
for you:
6112 North Wolcott, 60660

-- 
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Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] meet?

[Jennifer S. <jen...@gm...>]

My boss decided very recently to move us to a different building, so
we are no longer at 150 N. Michigan.  Richard, can you host the
meeting? I might be able to still do it if no one else can.

[chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[<ce...@l-...>]

ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.



If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 06/20/2007



For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.



Time: 6 pm

Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800

http://info.com



Directions:

Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage. Tunnel to building/sidewalk.
CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue Line Pedway closed for 2006)
     Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down ramp. Tunnel Right to building.

[chiPHPug-discuss] Job in Chicago

[John D. B. <jb...@ju...>]

Greetings,
=20
I am looking for a PHP developer for a permanent or contract position in
Chicago.
=20
Here is the job description.
=20
We could go into a lot of requirements for this position, but ultimately
what we're looking for can be boiled down into one sentence: We're
looking for radically strong developers who want to stretch in new
directions, who can speak and write as well as they email and IM, and
who play well with others.

=20

That being said, we do need to state a few requirements, such as:

*	Knowledge of PHP 4 and PHP 5
*	3+ years PHP development experience
*	3+ years experience writing XHTML, JavaScript and CSS from
scratch (hand-coded)
*	Firm understanding of OOP programming techniques (classes,
inheritance, variable scope, singletons, factories, structs)
*	Experience with Drupal or other PHP content management software;
desire to scale Drupal for high traffic sites mandatory, previous
experience doing so very, very exciting to us
*	Experience with Movable Type or other PHP blogging software
*	Experience with various frameworks (symfony, cakePHP) and
libraries (PEAR)
*	Experience with templating (Smarty, Savant, or other) and MVC
application design
*	Unwavering devotion to your red Swingline stapler
*	Ability to travel up to 25%=20
*	Available to start (somewhat) immediately

=20

These skills aren't required, but they certainly will make you look
good:

*	Experience with Linux and Apache
*	MySQL DBA skills
*	Configuration management skills
=09
=09

Why Work for us?

We believe that since you spend one-third of your life at work, you may
as well enjoy it.  We strive to provide stimulating work for our
employees, in atmosphere that's friendly, challenging and supportive.
Because we're a smaller firm, we're able to notice, recognize and reward
exceptional achievement. Perks of working here include medical and
dental insurance, tax-free transit benefit, and casual dress code.  The
biggest perk, however, is the recognition that you have a life outside
the office.

=20

The Fine Print

Compensation will be commensurate with experience. We regret that we
cannot pay for relocation expenses at this time. Please, no phone calls.
US-resident H1 transfers welcome.

=20

To Apply

Please send your resume to jb...@ju... 630-472-0090

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John Bouton

Judge Technical Staffing

jb...@ju...

Local:630-472-0090

Toll Free: 888-701-3368=20

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[chiPHPug-discuss] BARcamp Chicago is this weekend!

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Hi Everyone!

   BARcamp is this weekend (Sat-Sun, 23-24 June) and I am super excited! 
Everyone has really come together for this.  We have a lot of great 
talks and ideas floating around and everyone seems to be pitching in 
something to help.

   The last organizer meet-up is tonight at Goose Island(clyborn) @ 7:00.

   There are also a couple other events this week worth checking out 
that I want to mention.  Beer and ideas to get primed for BARcamp ;-)

  - Kristen Nicole's Web Ascent is happening Wed the 20th. 
http://www.webascentevents.com/

  - MIT-EF has this cool Whiteboard competition happening Tue the 19th. 
http://www.mitefchicago.org/dojo/18/v.jsp?p=/BelowtheRadar

   Uuhh.. thats all I can remember.  Its going to be a fun week in the 
Chicago tech world..


   So back to BARcamp.  Some of the stuff that is going to be happening 
this weekend is:

- Dave Williams talk on building cross platform widgets with wxWidgets

- FRDCSA A.I. talk on learning coding libraries through operator 
learning and representation

  - Linux install fest and lightening talks on a few special purpose distros

- Tristan Sloughter teaches us how to Brew Beer at Home!

- Kirix talks about their Human UI for browsing web data

- MobileWeb 2.0 hackathon, building apps for mobile devices.

- Perry spins the trax, live webcast for the kids at home

- Humanized talks about Enso

- ChicagoBeta-BARcamp Job Board

- exploration, the joy of learning things and lots of liquor



   Some last shout-outs for help:

  - video peoples, help capture talks and goings on.

  - please bring power strips, Cat5 cables, extension cords, pillows to 
sit on

  - bring an idea for a code sprint


   Thats it.  Looking forward to seeing you all there!

-jason
ja...@ho...
847.208.1000

event details:
http://barcampchicago.com/

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] meet?

[Jough D. <jou...@gm...>]

It's on the calendar - I'll be a little late as I'll be at a meeting until
6:30pm, but I should be there.

-- Jough

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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] meet?

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

I will be out of town :(

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[chiPHPug-discuss] meet?

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

We having a meeting this week?

[chiPHPug-discuss] JOB: Santa Monica CA - Financial Services

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org
From:    jl...@ap...
Date:    Wed, June 13, 2007 1:46 pm
To:      web...@ph...
----------------------------------------------------------------------



The following is an RFQ from PHPUserGroups.org Member Directory

To be removed from this list, please email cm...@mo...

Contact Name: Joel Lipman
Company: Apex Systems

Email: jl...@ap...

Title - Senior PHP Developer - Financial Services Company
Location - Santa Monica, CA
Duration - Permanent/Full-Time
Start Date - ASAP

Our client provides Risk Analysis and Mitigation services for
card-not-present merchants. They work with merchants in the Direct
Response (DRTV), Mail Order/Telephone Order (MO/TO), Ecommerce and
multi-channel markets, with both single-purchase and recurring payment
(continuity) business models.

Through a scientific and methodical approach, the company has
developed a state-of-the-art online platform which analyzes risk
throughout all areas of a business both directly and indirectly
associated with credit card processing. They work to identify, assess
and implement predictable risk-suppressing modifications to your
business, while remaining sensitive to your overall sales and
conversion rates.

The company utilizes a Software as a Service (SaaS) delivery model in
the financial sector handling credit card processing and business risk
mitigation. Now is your chance to make your mark and be apart of an
emerging company.

POSITION TITLE: Senior Developer

Requirements:
- Highly motivated, quick learner with 4+ years of PHP experience.
- Strong knowledge of PHP, XML, AJAX, and CSS.
- Strong knowledge of MySQL.
- Strong knowledge of Object Oriented design.
- Expect to be challenged
- A high degree of independence and an exceptional work ethic
- A genuine passion for programming
- Comfortable with command line (Linux)

Responsibilities:
- Design, implement and maintain new modules/features of our platform.
- Research new platform architectures to support business requirements.


Apex Systems, Inc. is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Apex Systems,
Inc. does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex,
national origin, age, disability, or any other characteristic
protected by applicable state or federal civil rights law.

Phone: 213-265-3745
       866-476-2739

Please send your response to jl...@ap...
You can respond by simply replying to this email.

PHPUserGroups.org is not responsible for any commitments made by
either Members or Clients requesting projects. All work and payment
are handled by the interested parties
Title - Senior PHP Developer - Financial Services Company
Location - Santa Monica, CA
Duration - Permanent/Full-Time
Start Date - ASAP

Our client provides Risk Analysis and Mitigation services for
card-not-present merchants. They work with merchants in the Direct
Response (DRTV), Mail Order/Telephone Order (MO/TO), Ecommerce and
multi-channel markets, with both single-purchase and recurring payment
(continuity) business models.

Through a scientific and methodical approach, the company has
developed a state-of-the-art online platform which analyzes risk
throughout all areas of a business both directly and indirectly
associated with credit card processing. They work to identify, assess
and implement predictable risk-suppressing modifications to your
business, while remaining sensitive to your overall sales and
conversion rates.

The company utilizes a Software as a Service (SaaS) delivery model in
the financial sector handling credit card processing and business risk
mitigation. Now is your chance to make your mark and be apart of an
emerging company.

POSITION TITLE: Senior Developer

Requirements:
- Highly motivated, quick learner with 4+ years of PHP experience.
- Strong knowledge of PHP, XML, AJAX, and CSS.
- Strong knowledge of MySQL.
- Strong knowledge of Object Oriented design.
- Expect to be challenged
- A high degree of independence and an exceptional work ethic
- A genuine passion for programming
- Comfortable with command line (Linux)

Responsibilities:
- Design, implement and maintain new modules/features of our platform.
- Research new platform architectures to support business requirements.


Apex Systems, Inc. is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Apex Systems,
Inc. does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex,
national origin, age, disability, or any other characteristic
protected by applicable state or federal civil rights law.


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[chiPHPug-discuss] JOB: Las Vegas, Permanent, Relocation

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

I've compromised and put enough info in the subject that you should
have deleted if you weren't interested in checking this out... :-)

-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org
From:    nic...@sb...
Date:    Wed, June 13, 2007 1:34 pm
To:      web...@ph...
----------------------------------------------------------------------



The following is an RFQ from PHPUserGroups.org Member Directory

To be removed from this list, please email cm...@mo...

Contact Name: Nicole Alix
Company: MISI Company

Email: nic...@sb...

PHP Developer
Tasks and Responsibilities:

•         Develop a particular project from start to finish. Use
standard libraries. Implement changes to keep project in line with
overall technical direction of company.
•         Work with other developers to insure compatibility with core
libraries and exposed services.
•         Independent worker able to meet deadlines

Skills and Qualifications:

•         3-5 years experience
•         College degree in CS preferred, but not required if more
than 3 years experience
•         Strong SQL and PHP skills
•         Additional languages (C, C++, Perl, Python) beneficial
•         Strong understanding of CVS and Subversion
•         Must be able to write and debug advanced SQL queries
•         Strong understanding of advanced Object Oriented Programming
principles
•         Able to solve complex, multi-dimensional problems
•         Can produce documentation of concept including flow charts
and API specifications
•         Understanding of internet services such as SOAP, XMLRPC,
WDDX, etc.
•         Understanding of networking protocols such as HTTP, TCP/IP

* This position is located in Las Vegas, NV.  This is a perm position.
Client will pay relocation costs.

Phone: 626-216-6811
       626-216-6811

Please send your response to nic...@sb...
You can respond by simply replying to this email.

PHPUserGroups.org is not responsible for any commitments made by
either Members or Clients requesting projects. All work and payment
are handled by the interested parties
PHP Developer
Tasks and Responsibilities:

•         Develop a particular project from start to finish. Use
standard libraries. Implement changes to keep project in line with
overall technical direction of company.
•         Work with other developers to insure compatibility with core
libraries and exposed services.
•         Independent worker able to meet deadlines

Skills and Qualifications:

•         3-5 years experience
•         College degree in CS preferred, but not required if more
than 3 years experience
•         Strong SQL and PHP skills
•         Additional languages (C, C++, Perl, Python) beneficial
•         Strong understanding of CVS and Subversion
•         Must be able to write and debug advanced SQL queries
•         Strong understanding of advanced Object Oriented Programming
principles
•         Able to solve complex, multi-dimensional problems
•         Can produce documentation of concept including flow charts
and API specifications
•         Understanding of internet services such as SOAP, XMLRPC,
WDDX, etc.
•         Understanding of networking protocols such as HTTP, TCP/IP

* This position is located in Las Vegas, NV.  This is a perm position.
Client will pay relocation costs.


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Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] [off-topic] screwy JavaScript vs. IE problem

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

On Tue, June 12, 2007 8:06 pm, Neil Rest wrote:
> I'm debugging this website, www.unisonhome.com
> Drill down through "COLLECTION", "category", "item", and you get a
> system-standard frame with a big picture in the middle, and
> "Specifications -->" on the left.  Hover the cursor over that, and a
> grey rectangle pops up.
> In Firefox, it floats properly; in IE 6 it floats BEHIND! the
> selection drop-down just below.
>
> Anybody got a good idea why?  ("MS sucks" doesn't count.)

No idea, and can't run IE to try it.  But an answer is probably "out
there" on CSS/JS forums.

I'm guessing maybe that z-index: thingie might be involved...

Or you could just position the specs to the left of the drop down, or
move the popup to be on mouseOver of the big image, or, since they
don't seem all that long/involved, just put them inline and forget the
goofy popup...

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[chiPHPug-discuss] [off-topic] screwy JavaScript vs. IE problem

[Neil R. <Nei...@rc...>]

I'm debugging this website, www.unisonhome.com
Drill down through "COLLECTION", "category", "item", and you get a 
system-standard frame with a big picture in the middle, and 
"Specifications -->" on the left.  Hover the cursor over that, and a 
grey rectangle pops up.
In Firefox, it floats properly; in IE 6 it floats BEHIND! the 
selection drop-down just below.

Anybody got a good idea why?  ("MS sucks" doesn't count.)


TIA,
Neil

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on the side of the road. The CC pulls over and asks "What are you 
doing?" the man replies, "We are too poor to eat, and cannot find 
work because of ethnic and religious discrimination". The CC tells 
him "Thats terrible, hop in my car" so the man and his family 
joyfully get in the car hoping for a hand-up for a job offer of some kind.
After driving a ways, the man asks the CC "So where are we going? Do 
you know where I can find work?" to which the CC laughs, and says "Oh 
no heh, I don't have a lawn mower, and the grass is much taller in my yard."


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[chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org]

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Found this in the junk box from about a week ago...

Maybe there's still a need...

-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org
From:    ur...@ya...
Date:    Sun, June 3, 2007 8:52 am
To:      web...@ph...
----------------------------------------------------------------------



The following is an RFQ from PHPUserGroups.org Member Directory

To be removed from this list, please email cm...@mo...

Contact Name: jeff  dawson
Company:

Email: ur...@ya...

I need a php developer to finish a paidpostingtools.com script for my
new business. We currentlly have most of the feature\'s of the
paidpostingtools script but we need some bugs in our script fixed and
features added.
This script should be a copy of the paidpostingtools script found at
the bottom of
thispage-http://www.paidpostingtools.com/index.asp(campaign tracker
feature).  The programmer for this job must have experience in this
area. We are looking for programmers that have done big project that
are (enterprise projects, not wordpress or VBulletin customization). 
I think 3 year\'s experience is good enough.High quality code
include\'s objects, classes, efficiently merged data layer and UI
layers. other quality php coding
standards;http://www.evolt.org/article/PHP_coding_guidelines/18/60247/http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.htmlhttp://www.procata.com/blog/archives/2004/09/24/php-coding-standards/
http://www.php.net.

Phone: 716-681-1260


Please send your response to ur...@ya...
You can respond by simply replying to this email.

PHPUserGroups.org is not responsible for any commitments made by
either Members or Clients requesting projects. All work and payment
are handled by the interested parties
I need a php developer to finish a paidpostingtools.com script for my
new business. We currentlly have most of the feature\'s of the
paidpostingtools script but we need some bugs in our script fixed and
features added.
This script should be a copy of the paidpostingtools script found at
the bottom of
thispage-http://www.paidpostingtools.com/index.asp(campaign tracker
feature).  The programmer for this job must have experience in this
area. We are looking for programmers that have done big project that
are (enterprise projects, not wordpress or VBulletin customization). 
I think 3 year\'s experience is good enough.High quality code
include\'s objects, classes, efficiently merged data layer and UI
layers. other quality php coding
standards;http://www.evolt.org/article/PHP_coding_guidelines/18/60247/http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.htmlhttp://www.procata.com/blog/archives/2004/09/24/php-coding-standards/
http://www.php.net.


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Yeah, I get a buck. So?

[chiPHPug-discuss] [JOB] Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open

[Beau G. <be...@op...>]

Note: This job is primarily Python and/or Rails, however prior/current =
use
of PHP is required.=20

Rails or Python Engineer, Wilmette, IL | Salary: Open

My client provides Fortune 500 marketers with customized, =
performance-based
online customer acquisition solutions. They build long-term and =
large-scale
marketing programs for select Clients, primarily in the financial =
services
and communications industries, utilizing a closed-loop marketing process
from campaign design and implementation to technology integration.  This
integrated approach has enabled my client to become the largest source =
of
new customers from the online channel for most of their clients.

Position Purpose:

The Software Engineer is responsible for developing and deploying =
web-based
applications and associated support programs as determined by internal =
and
external client requirements.

Primary Responsibilities:=20

* Develop, deploy and maintain web-based applications by:=20
* Gathering requirements from internal customers and end-users=20
* Advising internal customers on the development resources and risks for
requested functionality=20
* Developing code using test-driven, object-oriented methodologies=20
* Performing unit testing and integration tests=20
* Participating in end-user acceptance testing=20
* Incorporating end-user feedback into later iterations of the software=20

* Document applications at the following levels:=20
* System architecture=20
* Source code=20
* Administration and maintenance=20
* End-user training and help=20

Job Skills and Requirements:=20

* Expert in development of web-based applications using primarily PHP5 =
and
Python in an open-source development environment=20
* Thorough understanding of common web and e-commerce concepts and
technologies, such as: HTTP, SSL, JavaScript and variants, HTML and =
other
client-side data formats (no graphic design skills required), XML and
associated technologies, content management concepts, public-key
cryptography, application and data security and privacy issues, basic =
TCP/IP
networking=20
* Excellent written and verbal communication skills=20
* Ability to work well both within a team environment and independently=20
* Highly self motivated=20
* Comfortable working within a fast-paced, dynamic environment=20
* Ability to prioritize and perform multiple tasks in time critical
situations =20
* Required to maintain a professional, respectful, friendly relationship
with coworkers, clients and suppliers=20
* Required to adhere to policies and procedures, confidences and =
contract
requirements=20

Education and/or Experience:

* Bachelor's degree  and/or 5 years experience relating to web-based
software development=20
* Minimum of 5 years experience developing, testing, deploying and
maintaining interactive web applications in PHP environments, as well as
command-line batch processing scripts in Python or PHP scripting =
languages=20
* Minimum of 5 years experience with any SQL-based RDBMS (PostgreSQL
experience is especially useful) in the form of writing efficient SQL
queries and executing them via programming language interfaces=20
* Object-oriented design experience a big plus, especially as related to =
PHP
5 development=20
* Experience working with "agile" development methodologies, =
particularly
Scrum teamwork and User Story development and estimation, a very big =
plus=20

If you are local to the Chicago area and are authorized to work in the =
USA,
please submit your resume and salary requirements to
be...@op... [Word or plain text preferred]=20

Thank you,=20
Beau J. Gould=20

Open Source Staffing=20
www.open-source-staffing.com=20
be...@op...=20

[chiPHPug-discuss] BARcamp Chicago 2007 June 23-24

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Hi Everyone!

   Wanted to update you all on BARcamp and ask for some feedback.

   The site (http://barcampchicago.com/) has been updated with the basic 
info on date and location.  Its June 23-24 at 1464 n milwaukee.  There 
are talks scheduled and some events planned but I wanted to ask you all 
what types of things you might want to see or hear about and to look for 
volunteers to run some code sprints or other projects.

   I also wanted to ask people to sign up on the wiki as attendees.  I'm 
a little concerned that we may run out of space even though the venue is 
bigger than last years.  I want to get a feeling for how much need there 
may be for a "spill over" venue.

   Looking forward to seeing you all at BARcamp and drop me a line if 
you have any comments, questions, ideas!

-jason

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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening (phpWalter) ]

[Vlad K. <kar...@ho...>]

Absolutely true!!!

>From: "Richard Lynch" <ce...@l-...>
>Reply-To: ce...@l-...
>To: "matt donohue" <mm_...@ya...>
>CC: chi...@li...
>Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening 
>(phpWalter) ]
>Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:26:00 -0500 (CDT)
>
>ColdFusion makes easy things easy; and hard things impossible"
>-- Rasmus Lerdorf
>
>:-)
>
>You're not dragging me into a Smarty debate though.
>
>On Thu, May 24, 2007 5:20 pm, matt donohue wrote:
> > You forgot ColdFusion.
> > And throw Smarty into the bad idea category (and don't anyone try and
> > convince me otherwise).
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...>
> > To: Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...>
> > Cc: chi...@li...; Anacreo
> > <an...@gm...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:50:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening
> > (phpWalter) ]
> >
> >
> > I dunno...
> >
> > I mean, okay, Ruby/Rails, Python, Perl are all great and have their
> > place even if they're not for me.
> >
> > But you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that ASP and VB don't
> > suck, by any objective measure. :-)
> >
> > To be fair, AppleScript also sucks, mainly because there are about a
> > hundred ways you COULD express anything, but only 5 of them work, and
> > with no rationale behind the 1-in-20 I could ever discern...  I found
> > myself more frustrated by its English-like syntax and loosely-defined
> > documentation than helped...  But maybe that's just me.
> >
> > COBOL pretty much sucks too, come to think of it...
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2007 5:50 pm, Nola Stowe wrote:
> >> what a subject change!
> >>
> >> I love ruby .... and rails is a great framework. It all depends on
> >> your need. PHP, Perl, Ruby all have their place... Its is my new
> >> goal
> >> in life to end language hate. People who spew blanket statments like
> >> "XX language sucks!" ... of which I have been guilty to some extent
> >> over the past ... i've learned there are purposes for language and
> >> in
> >> some cases, they can work together :)  I wrote some posts about php
> >> and rails getting along last summer at CodeSnipers.
> >>
> >> On 5/23/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote:
> >>> Regarding that... boy am I impressed with the video tours of Ruby
> >>> on
> >>> Rails...  I can't believe I'm going to start learning another
> >>> language...
> >>> Has anyone endeavored down that road and have any thoughts about
> >>> the
> >>> Rails
> >>> framework?
> >>>
> >>> On 5/23/07, phpWalter <php...@to...> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I must apologize to the group, and to Jennifer.
> >>> >
> >>> > I should not have "ranted' like that. It was out of place.
> >>> >
> >>> > This is not the venue to share my frustration at the state of
> >>> affairs of
> >>> > the economy and the development community at large.
> >>> >
> >>> > Walter
> >>> >
> >>> > 
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening (phpWalter) ]

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

ColdFusion makes easy things easy; and hard things impossible"
-- Rasmus Lerdorf

:-)

You're not dragging me into a Smarty debate though.

On Thu, May 24, 2007 5:20 pm, matt donohue wrote:
> You forgot ColdFusion.
> And throw Smarty into the bad idea category (and don't anyone try and
> convince me otherwise).
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...>
> To: Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...>
> Cc: chi...@li...; Anacreo
> <an...@gm...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:50:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening
> (phpWalter) ]
>
>
> I dunno...
>
> I mean, okay, Ruby/Rails, Python, Perl are all great and have their
> place even if they're not for me.
>
> But you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that ASP and VB don't
> suck, by any objective measure. :-)
>
> To be fair, AppleScript also sucks, mainly because there are about a
> hundred ways you COULD express anything, but only 5 of them work, and
> with no rationale behind the 1-in-20 I could ever discern...  I found
> myself more frustrated by its English-like syntax and loosely-defined
> documentation than helped...  But maybe that's just me.
>
> COBOL pretty much sucks too, come to think of it...
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 5:50 pm, Nola Stowe wrote:
>> what a subject change!
>>
>> I love ruby .... and rails is a great framework. It all depends on
>> your need. PHP, Perl, Ruby all have their place... Its is my new
>> goal
>> in life to end language hate. People who spew blanket statments like
>> "XX language sucks!" ... of which I have been guilty to some extent
>> over the past ... i've learned there are purposes for language and
>> in
>> some cases, they can work together :)  I wrote some posts about php
>> and rails getting along last summer at CodeSnipers.
>>
>> On 5/23/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote:
>>> Regarding that... boy am I impressed with the video tours of Ruby
>>> on
>>> Rails...  I can't believe I'm going to start learning another
>>> language...
>>> Has anyone endeavored down that road and have any thoughts about
>>> the
>>> Rails
>>> framework?
>>>
>>> On 5/23/07, phpWalter <php...@to...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I must apologize to the group, and to Jennifer.
>>> >
>>> > I should not have "ranted' like that. It was out of place.
>>> >
>>> > This is not the venue to share my frustration at the state of
>>> affairs of
>>> > the economy and the development community at large.
>>> >
>>> > Walter
>>> >
>>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
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>>> > chi...@li...
>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
>>
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>
>
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> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Smarty old JSON fresh

[Kenneth D. <ke...@se...>]

Sarah Gray wrote:
> Now I'd pick up CakePHP or Rails.  I was at Rails Conf last week (also 
> PHP Conf) and have been learning both Ruby (the language) and the Rails 
> framework for the past 6+ months.  For anyone so inclined, I recommend 
> taking a look at both, and I agree with the general enthusiasm for Rails 
> that's cropped up on some posts. Even at PHP Conf there was a talk 
> entitled "What PHP can learn from Ruby on Rails".

Perhaps I can encourage you to look at Andromeda, 
http://www.andromeda-project.org, we are basically the "unframework", 
building upon a very powerful database specification system that I don't 
think anybody else has come close to.  This is not because "they suck" 
but simply because all frameworks out there are concentrating on code 
structure, while we concentrate on automating development tasks based on 
an extremely detailed database specification.

Andromeda is targeted at those who do complex business database 
applications and who need maximum attention to building a powerful 
database.  We also have features for source control, publishing, and 
documentation generation.  Check out the mailing lists at 
www.sourceforge.net/projects/andro.

...we now return you to your regularly scheduled list.

-- 
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Smarty old JSON fresh

[Sarah G. <sa...@fa...>]

Re: Smarty. I've used it on a couple large scale projects (one for 
Nickolodeon, one for a clinical competence system at a large hospital) 
and in both cases found it a helpful technology in terms of code 
separation, partial caching, and a "pure" design layer.  I've seen a lot 
of nastiness about it, in terms of complexity and over-engineering, and 
while there were tons of features on it we had no need for, the basic 
get-up-and-running was straightforward, and learning slight variants on 
looping and conditional constructs simply was not challenge they've been 
presented as at times[{foreach..} v foreach(...) just didn't stop me in 
my tracks :)].  The learning curve was worth the rewards, in my two 
experiences.

That said, those were like 3-4 years ago. If I were starting a project 
*now* I wouldn't use Smarty, and I'd be surprised and suspicious to see 
it chosen as the technology on a new project.  Different if you're 
maintaining.  When it was newer, there simply wasn't the proliferation 
of out-of-the-box frameworks that we're seeing today, at least not for 
PHP (or at least not that I was aware of).  Using Smarty with a database 
abstraction layer was a sort of ad-hoc attempt at separation of concerns 
in larger projects, and gave you stuff that's expected now in frameworks 
such as Rails or Cake.  For instance, it played well with PEAR packages 
such as HTML_QuickForm and DB_DataObject_FormBuilder, so you could 
generate forms (with validation) from db models with a couple lines of 
code, and have pretty much one or 2 .tpl files for as many db table 
forms as needed.  It let you simulate MVC before MVC was so explicitly 
packaged in this or that framework, and in my experiences gave us a 
cleaner code-base.

Now I'd pick up CakePHP or Rails.  I was at Rails Conf last week (also 
PHP Conf) and have been learning both Ruby (the language) and the Rails 
framework for the past 6+ months.  For anyone so inclined, I recommend 
taking a look at both, and I agree with the general enthusiasm for Rails 
that's cropped up on some posts. Even at PHP Conf there was a talk 
entitled "What PHP can learn from Ruby on Rails". I missed that (being 
at RailsConf), but was glad to see it there, because in general it's 
good to see languages and frameworks learning from each other instead of 
caught in the knee-jerk "you suck no *you* suck" baiting that seems to 
tempt so many.  Some things do suck for particular tasks, and some 
things suck when better solutions come along, and OK some things just 
suck entirely, but that's rarely the case. One thing I found odd was 
that CakePHP was not presenting at PHPConf, even though a presentation 
on that would be a great complement to the aforementioned talk, and is 
definitely timely.

The other exciting thing to see was that at both conferences there was 
an increased focus on testing. PHP covered SimpleTest and PHPunit and 
Rails couldn't hit TDD enough. A few years ago at a PHP conference there 
was no mention of testing.  So you can see the cross-pollination of 
better practices, it helps everyone.  In the end, not to sing Kumbaya 
here, each of these languages / frameworks / extensions have their 
place: either for a particular problem domain or for a particular place 
in time.  

Except Flash, of course :) but whatever.  I'm sure souls more charitable 
than I can make a case even for Flash...

matt donohue wrote:
> Trust me- I inherited a Smarty mess and you don't want to go there.
> As much as I want to vent, I won't bore anyone.
>  
> I mostly build data driven business apps and prefer using PHP, JSON and AJAX.
> One thing I'm interested in is building javascript template stores and just sending data with JSON (from PHP data row objects)
> and letting JS format the template. I use PHP to parse regular HTML into JS template fragments and assemble them on demand.
> It handles huge chunks of data very quickly. Think of a quote that has 200 parts. If I sent HTML from the server it would
> be about 10MB. Much too long for a sales reps attention span.
> (We also use Apache's compression mod but sometimes that has issues).  
> I also use Prototype library and other Proto add on's like Event.Selectors.
> If you haven't checked out Event.Selectors do it now: http://www.encytemedia.com/event-selectors/
> Instead of 50 different repetitive onchange or onclicks you can move all that logic out of the template and the library loads it as
> a CSS event listener you define once.
> Anyone else doing apps like this?
>  
> I also recommend anyone on the list subscribe to Ajaxian. I'm always seeing really cool techniques from the newsletter.
> http://ajaxian.com/ 
>  
> Lastly-
> Our company also tried an India remote team experiment and although I got a nice trip to New Delhi and Chennai out it, it was not worth enduring the bad phone connections and really bad programming we got tired of re-writing from scratch.
> If you think 3 years experience is weak here. 3 years experience from India gets you some really tortuous spaghetti coding.
> I noticed things that I never knew drove me crazy. Like someone always using a var $int_ID instead of $ID even though all our tables use ID as an integer? It's pointless. Trivial? You tell me.
> I'm sure there are good India programmers out there in a country that big. We just didn't find them- they tend to move here.
> Side-note- India programming operations have really cool communal lunches which are amazing and quite tasty. I just wish I didn't see the condition of the lunch truck on my way out.
>  
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Garfield <la...@ga...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:19:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening (phpWalter) ]
>
>
> Smarty used as a tag library, yeah, over-engineered.
>
> Smarty used as a pull-based architecture, I can see being nice.  One of these 
> days I should try using it that way to see if I'm right. :-)
>
> On Thursday 24 May 2007, matt donohue wrote:
>   
>> You forgot ColdFusion.
>> And throw Smarty into the bad idea category (and don't anyone try and
>> convince me otherwise).
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...>
>> To: Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...>
>> Cc: chi...@li...; Anacreo <an...@gm...>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:50:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening
>> (phpWalter) ]
>>
>>
>> I dunno...
>>
>> I mean, okay, Ruby/Rails, Python, Perl are all great and have their
>> place even if they're not for me.
>>
>> But you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that ASP and VB don't
>> suck, by any objective measure. :-)
>>
>> To be fair, AppleScript also sucks, mainly because there are about a
>> hundred ways you COULD express anything, but only 5 of them work, and
>> with no rationale behind the 1-in-20 I could ever discern...  I found
>> myself more frustrated by its English-like syntax and loosely-defined
>> documentation than helped...  But maybe that's just me.
>>
>> COBOL pretty much sucks too, come to think of it...
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2007 5:50 pm, Nola Stowe wrote:
>>     
>>> what a subject change!
>>>
>>> I love ruby .... and rails is a great framework. It all depends on
>>> your need. PHP, Perl, Ruby all have their place... Its is my new goal
>>> in life to end language hate. People who spew blanket statments like
>>> "XX language sucks!" ... of which I have been guilty to some extent
>>> over the past ... i've learned there are purposes for language and in
>>> some cases, they can work together :)  I wrote some posts about php
>>> and rails getting along last summer at CodeSnipers.
>>>
>>> On 5/23/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Regarding that... boy am I impressed with the video tours of Ruby on
>>>> Rails...  I can't believe I'm going to start learning another
>>>> language...
>>>> Has anyone endeavored down that road and have any thoughts about the
>>>> Rails
>>>> framework?
>>>>
>>>> On 5/23/07, phpWalter <php...@to...> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I must apologize to the group, and to Jennifer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should not have "ranted' like that. It was out of place.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the venue to share my frustration at the state of
>>>>>           
>>>> affairs of
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> the economy and the development community at large.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walter
>>>>>
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[chiPHPug-discuss] My company and PHP...

[mike <mi...@pa...>]

Howdy,

I've been lurking around this board because I have not been able to post due to a problem on my side.  The commentary about the job market has caused me to prioritize fixing the problem so here is my message.  I asked Richard to post an opportunity from my company a few weeks ago and he was kind enough to do so.  Not sure if anyone applied, but the guy who built the job description seemed to be asking quite a bit.  Here is the skinny, we are looking for a really good PHP'er to help lead development and retraining of our legacy staff.  But, since we are a tad shorthanded, we would like that person to have some other skills.  The final job could end up like 80% PHP and possibly 20 % Java.  Or, vice-versa, if that is the preference.

We are a business and the demands of the organization come before religion about platform, technology or language.  But, folks who have a preference will be slotted with a work load that favors that preference.  It is one of the better business environments I have worked in, but not immune from corporate or political stupidity.  That's why I consulted here for 4 years and have been an FTE for the last 5!

Please drop me a line if this interests you or you know someone who might be interested.  I have, almost single handedly, brought PHP to our System i platform here at Trippe.  I would like to see it succeed and flourish.  I am not an expert, but I am a believer.  This could be a really neat opportunity for the right person.  And yes, we do pay competitive salaries.  I can't write it here but let's say it can be well over 50K and very commensurate with experience!

Thank you for your time.  I would probably come to a meeting but I live most of my life on the South side, working in Bridgeport and living near Joliet.  You sound like a good bunch of folks who has it together and I may just surprise a few of you and show up.  I would make liberal use of the newbie sessions :-)

Regards,


Mike Pavlak 




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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Smarty old JSON fresh

[Anacreo <an...@gm...>]

Well Matt,
  I have to agree with you long before there was a notion of AJAX, I used
rudimentary PHP to pass lots of data to JavaScript and let JavaScript do the
rendering, even on slow machines this moved a lot faster then sending the
data via HTML.  I just happened to be showing someone my PHP code and
noticed on these new 4ghz machines the site just flies 6 years after the
fact with no change to the original code.

  I ended up losing a friend over the Smarty thing.  I agreed to do a site
in PHP at a certain price and timeline.  He then insisted it all be done in
Smarty.  By the time I learned Smarty (and bitched that it was a mess and I
could write a simpler system), I was a month behind schedule and unhappy
with the added complexity.  I'm learning there are some REAL maintenance
issues with Ruby on Rails as I delve deeper, and perhaps it only is nice on
a small quick project but not for something critical that just has to work.


  I don't know what JSON is so I may have to investigate that avenue, thanks
for the information about it.  ...10 Googleseconds later... JSON looks very
nice!  I could drop in some code to make my scripts use it for their PHP ->
JS data moving.  I'm not sure if it's any better then my code but atleast I
can say it's using a standard interface in its documentation!

  And back to the India deal.  I just was asked by a customer for a bid on
re-writing a site I wrote part of and protoyped the rest of 7 years ago
(Truck Logistics).  He had gone down the path of having a fat client written
by an Indian house.  After that failed miserably he showed them my prototype
and they said they could write it for him and 2 years of failed deliveries,
he's now back to me.

  In the end maybe it's just the programmer and the language, database,
interchange format, is just personal preference and won't really impact the
end project.

  I don't gamble much but I like the idea of purely social events!

Alec

On 5/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
> Trust me- I inherited a Smarty mess and you don't want to go there.
> As much as I want to vent, I won't bore anyone.
>
> I mostly build data driven business apps and prefer using PHP, JSON and
> AJAX.
> One thing I'm interested in is building javascript template stores and
> just sending data with JSON (from PHP data row objects)
> and letting JS format the template. I use PHP to parse regular HTML into
> JS template fragments and assemble them on demand.
> It handles huge chunks of data very quickly. Think of a quote that has 200
> parts. If I sent HTML from the server it would
> be about 10MB. Much too long for a sales reps attention span.
> (We also use Apache's compression mod but sometimes that has issues).
> I also use Prototype library and other Proto add on's like Event.Selectors
> .
> If you haven't checked out Event.Selectors do it now:
> http://www.encytemedia.com/event-selectors/
> Instead of 50 different repetitive onchange or onclicks you can move all
> that logic out of the template and the library loads it as
> a CSS event listener you define once.
> Anyone else doing apps like this?
>
> I also recommend anyone on the list subscribe to Ajaxian. I'm always
> seeing really cool techniques from the newsletter.
> http://ajaxian.com/
>
> Lastly-
> Our company also tried an India remote team experiment and although I got
> a nice trip to New Delhi and Chennai out it, it was not worth enduring the
> bad phone connections and really bad programming we got tired of re-writing
> from scratch.
> If you think 3 years experience is weak here. 3 years experience from
> India gets you some really tortuous spaghetti coding.
> I noticed things that I never knew drove me crazy. Like someone always
> using a var $int_ID instead of $ID even though all our tables use ID as an
> integer? It's pointless. Trivial? You tell me.
> I'm sure there are good India programmers out there in a country that big.
> We just didn't find them- they tend to move here.
> Side-note- India programming operations have really cool communal lunches
> which are amazing and quite tasty. I just wish I didn't see the condition of
> the lunch truck on my way out.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Garfield <la...@ga...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:19:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening
> (phpWalter) ]
>
>
> Smarty used as a tag library, yeah, over-engineered.
>
> Smarty used as a pull-based architecture, I can see being nice.  One of
> these
> days I should try using it that way to see if I'm right. :-)
>
> On Thursday 24 May 2007, matt donohue wrote:
> > You forgot ColdFusion.
> > And throw Smarty into the bad idea category (and don't anyone try and
> > convince me otherwise).
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...>
> > To: Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...>
> > Cc: chi...@li...; Anacreo <an...@gm...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:50:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Rails was [ Re: PHP programmer opening
> > (phpWalter) ]
> >
> >
> > I dunno...
> >
> > I mean, okay, Ruby/Rails, Python, Perl are all great and have their
> > place even if they're not for me.
> >
> > But you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that ASP and VB don't
> > suck, by any objective measure. :-)
> >
> > To be fair, AppleScript also sucks, mainly because there are about a
> > hundred ways you COULD express anything, but only 5 of them work, and
> > with no rationale behind the 1-in-20 I could ever discern...  I found
> > myself more frustrated by its English-like syntax and loosely-defined
> > documentation than helped...  But maybe that's just me.
> >
> > COBOL pretty much sucks too, come to think of it...
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2007 5:50 pm, Nola Stowe wrote:
> > > what a subject change!
> > >
> > > I love ruby .... and rails is a great framework. It all depends on
> > > your need. PHP, Perl, Ruby all have their place... Its is my new goal
> > > in life to end language hate. People who spew blanket statments like
> > > "XX language sucks!" ... of which I have been guilty to some extent
> > > over the past ... i've learned there are purposes for language and in
> > > some cases, they can work together :)  I wrote some posts about php
> > > and rails getting along last summer at CodeSnipers.
> > >
> > > On 5/23/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote:
> > >> Regarding that... boy am I impressed with the video tours of Ruby on
> > >> Rails...  I can't believe I'm going to start learning another
> > >> language...
> > >> Has anyone endeavored down that road and have any thoughts about the
> > >> Rails
> > >> framework?
> > >>
> > >> On 5/23/07, phpWalter <php...@to...> wrote:
> > >> > I must apologize to the group, and to Jennifer.
> > >> >
> > >> > I should not have "ranted' like that. It was out of place.
> > >> >
> > >> > This is not the venue to share my frustration at the state of
> > >>
> > >> affairs of
> > >>
> > >> > the economy and the development community at large.
> > >> >
> > >> > Walter
> > >> >
> > >> >
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