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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-09 09:47:19
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Alistair Young wrote: > the fc is about to demo but bod ain't running: > > The system is being setup and cannot be started yet I think this maybe that the setup property in the Bodington properties file isn't set to the correct thing. I'll have a look. > anyone know what this means? the fc will buy anyone who answers a pint! -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-03-09 09:39:50
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the fc is about to demo but bod ain't running: The system is being setup and cannot be started yet anyone know what this means? the fc will buy anyone who answers a pint! Alistair |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-03-09 07:30:15
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Not his sort of thing. -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of = Jon Maber Sent: 08 March 2006 19:17 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Quicklinks 'n' ting Are you sure that mr Toad isn't a subscriber to this mailing list? = 8-} Jon Andrew Booth wrote: >The concept of Toad of Toad Hall gagging for anything is one I'd rather = not >entertain. But - yes, put it in. > >Aggie > >-----Original Message----- >From: bod...@li... >[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of = Adam >Marshall >Sent: 08 March 2006 18:10 >To: bod...@li... >Subject: [Bodington-developers] Quicklinks 'n' ting > >So as I didn't get any objections last time, am I right in assuming = that >nobody has a problem in us adding QUICKILINKS to Bod's HEAD? As I say - >Leeds are gagging for it. > >We give it a +2 - it's been very successful here in Oxford. > >Also - I was told that Uni of Aston are thinking of adopting Bodington >........ or Moodle! This makes 2.8 important!=20 > >adam > =20 > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting = language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live = webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding = territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D110944&bid=3D241720&dat=3D= 121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-03-08 19:16:45
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Are you sure that mr Toad isn't a subscriber to this mailing list? 8-} Jon Andrew Booth wrote: >The concept of Toad of Toad Hall gagging for anything is one I'd rather not >entertain. But - yes, put it in. > >Aggie > >-----Original Message----- >From: bod...@li... >[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Adam >Marshall >Sent: 08 March 2006 18:10 >To: bod...@li... >Subject: [Bodington-developers] Quicklinks 'n' ting > >So as I didn't get any objections last time, am I right in assuming that >nobody has a problem in us adding QUICKILINKS to Bod's HEAD? As I say - >Leeds are gagging for it. > >We give it a +2 - it's been very successful here in Oxford. > >Also - I was told that Uni of Aston are thinking of adopting Bodington >........ or Moodle! This makes 2.8 important! > >adam > > |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-03-08 18:15:47
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The concept of Toad of Toad Hall gagging for anything is one I'd rather not entertain. But - yes, put it in. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Adam Marshall Sent: 08 March 2006 18:10 To: bod...@li... Subject: [Bodington-developers] Quicklinks 'n' ting So as I didn't get any objections last time, am I right in assuming that nobody has a problem in us adding QUICKILINKS to Bod's HEAD? As I say - Leeds are gagging for it. We give it a +2 - it's been very successful here in Oxford. Also - I was told that Uni of Aston are thinking of adopting Bodington ........ or Moodle! This makes 2.8 important! adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug 1: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Shameless plug 2: Use the LUSID PDP system, http://www.lusid.org.uk/ Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Korbacik - Slovakian String Cheese ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-03-08 18:09:49
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So as I didn't get any objections last time, am I right in assuming that nobody has a problem in us adding QUICKILINKS to Bod's HEAD? As I say - Leeds are gagging for it. We give it a +2 - it's been very successful here in Oxford. Also - I was told that Uni of Aston are thinking of adopting Bodington ........ or Moodle! This makes 2.8 important! adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug 1: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Shameless plug 2: Use the LUSID PDP system, http://www.lusid.org.uk/ Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Korbacik - Slovakian String Cheese |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-03-08 17:40:31
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Peter From SF bugs tracker: 1154313 Ugly error message in logbook * 2005-03-01 07:52 1153618 random list of usernames in logbook 'add visitor' list * 2005-02-28 08:46 Did you ever do patches for one or both of these bugs? We'd like to fix these but don't want the SPWS stuff just yet. Anything would be appreciated! (I'm not sure whether the first fell into the SPWS domain, but I remember you saying you'd fix the second. If you don't have a patch, can you remember which class / method the 'diff' may be found in? Also Matthew was asking whether you have supplied an upgrade / patch to overcome the problem with meta data and namespaces which was introduced when you did the IMS CP work? Again, we'd like the IMS CP code but don't really want to have to regenerate all our meta data (again!). adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug 1: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Shameless plug 2: Use the LUSID PDP system, http://www.lusid.org.uk/ Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Korbacik - Slovakian String Cheese |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-03-08 16:32:20
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Peter Crowther wrote: >>From: Jon Maber >>So, since special group membership is coded in the User object, >>checking membership of the group requires no database access at all. >> >> > >Does this mean that if a user is removed from one of the special groups, >the user will retain apparent membership until their session expires? > > > No, because when the membership changes the special group values are changed immediately in the cached User object and the user object is saved to the database. |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-03-08 15:55:37
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> From: Jon Maber > So, since special group membership is coded in the User object,=20 > checking membership of the group requires no database access at all. Does this mean that if a user is removed from one of the special groups, the user will retain apparent membership until their session expires? - Peter |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-03-08 15:40:57
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The general idea of 'special groups' is that at install time you can decide to create up to (64?) groups which you know will very frequently occur in ACLs. As a user navigates the web site their membership of groups will be checked frequently. Since the user has logged in and is actively accessing the site you can be certain that the User record is loaded - because there is a reference to it in the httpsession object etc. So, since special group membership is coded in the User object, checking membership of the group requires no database access at all. The trade off is that although taking a user and finding out if they belong is quick, as Matthew points out, taking a special group and listing the users that belong is more difficult. A potential improvement would be to put a record in 'members' for all groups, including special ones, making sure that the two sources of data always agree. Jon Matthew Buckett wrote: >Paul Trafford wrote: > > >>At 15:09 08/03/2006, Antony Corfield wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can someone, Jon perhaps, remind me what special_groups_a etc. are >>>used for in users table? >>> >>> >>You can deduce memberships of the system generated groups. The total >>value is made up of components totted up from: >> >>2 allusers >>4 allstaff >>8 allstudents >>16 allothers >>32 campus.users >>64 campus.staff >>128 campus.students >>256 campus.other >> >>e.g. >>special_group a=102 => campus.staff, allstaff, allusers, campus.users >>special_group a=170 => campus.students, allstudents, allusers, campus.users >> >> > >I think User.addToGroup() and User.removeFromGroup do the dirty work. >They are used so that you can have very large groups without having a >large number of entries in the members table. One problem with them on >PostgreSQL is that you can't have an index on them that improves >performance when doing bitwise operations which means that the DB always >has todo a full table scan doing the bitwise operation for each row. > > > |
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From: Antony C. <an...@sm...> - 2006-03-08 15:37:26
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Thanks Paul - I guess this explains why they don't appear in members table! On 8 Mar 2006, at 15:18, Paul Trafford wrote: > At 15:09 08/03/2006, Antony Corfield wrote: >> Can someone, Jon perhaps, remind me what special_groups_a etc. are >> used for in users table? > > You can deduce memberships of the system generated groups. The total > value is made up of components totted up from: > > 2 allusers > 4 allstaff > 8 allstudents > 16 allothers > 32 campus.users > 64 campus.staff > 128 campus.students > 256 campus.other > > e.g. > special_group a=102 => campus.staff, allstaff, allusers, campus.users > special_group a=170 => campus.students, allstudents, allusers, > campus.users > > - Paul > > --- > Paul Trafford > WebLearn Administrator > Oxford University Computing Services > pau...@ou... > > WebLearn VLE > http://www.weblearn.ox.ac.uk/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-08 15:24:11
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Paul Trafford wrote: > At 15:09 08/03/2006, Antony Corfield wrote: > >> Can someone, Jon perhaps, remind me what special_groups_a etc. are >> used for in users table? > > You can deduce memberships of the system generated groups. The total > value is made up of components totted up from: > > 2 allusers > 4 allstaff > 8 allstudents > 16 allothers > 32 campus.users > 64 campus.staff > 128 campus.students > 256 campus.other > > e.g. > special_group a=102 => campus.staff, allstaff, allusers, campus.users > special_group a=170 => campus.students, allstudents, allusers, campus.users I think User.addToGroup() and User.removeFromGroup do the dirty work. They are used so that you can have very large groups without having a large number of entries in the members table. One problem with them on PostgreSQL is that you can't have an index on them that improves performance when doing bitwise operations which means that the DB always has todo a full table scan doing the bitwise operation for each row. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Paul T. <pau...@ou...> - 2006-03-08 15:18:32
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At 15:09 08/03/2006, Antony Corfield wrote: >Can someone, Jon perhaps, remind me what special_groups_a etc. are >used for in users table? You can deduce memberships of the system generated groups. The total value is made up of components totted up from: 2 allusers 4 allstaff 8 allstudents 16 allothers 32 campus.users 64 campus.staff 128 campus.students 256 campus.other e.g. special_group a=102 => campus.staff, allstaff, allusers, campus.users special_group a=170 => campus.students, allstudents, allusers, campus.users - Paul --- Paul Trafford WebLearn Administrator Oxford University Computing Services pau...@ou... WebLearn VLE http://www.weblearn.ox.ac.uk/ |
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From: Antony C. <an...@sm...> - 2006-03-08 15:09:48
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Can someone, Jon perhaps, remind me what special_groups_a etc. are used for in users table? |
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From: Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...> - 2006-03-08 14:01:26
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its surprising how my eyes and cortex play tricks on me... i read the subject as beer-making tool :) Andrew Booth wrote: >OK, the csv file is now a virtual file - there is no copy kept on the >server. You need manage permission to download the file. I have set the mime >type as suggested. There's an updated war file on bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk > >Aggie > >-----Original Message----- >From: bod...@li... >[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of >Matthew Buckett >Sent: 07 March 2006 11:15 >To: bod...@li... >Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington peer-marking tool > >Andrew Booth wrote: > > >>You can download the war file from: >> >>http://bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk/bodington-quickstart.war >> >>IE6 seems to download it as a zip file, but you can just rename it to a >> >> >war > > >>file after it has downloaded. >> >>Drop it into Tomcat, log in as sysadmin, password sysadmin and then go to: >> >>http://localhost/bodington-quickstart/site/faculties/medicine/test/ >> >> > >Thanks Aggie. Looks nice. > >One quick comment, the exported marks look to be created as an uploaded >file which means that anyone with view permission to the resource can >download the final marks once they have been generated. > >The alternative is to use a a bs_generated_marks.csv and then output the >CSV from the Java to the output stream after doing a permission check. >This way you can limit it so that only people with review access can >only access the marks. Facility.sendVirtualFile() is the method that >deals with this. > >Also you might like to serve up the CSV file with a mime type of >something like: >resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values"); >resp.setHeader("Content-Disposition", > "attachment; filename=\"marks.csv\""); > >Other than that when are we going to see this in Bodington HEAD as it >looks really nice? > > > |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-03-08 13:27:12
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OK, the csv file is now a virtual file - there is no copy kept on the server. You need manage permission to download the file. I have set the mime type as suggested. There's an updated war file on bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett Sent: 07 March 2006 11:15 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington peer-marking tool Andrew Booth wrote: > You can download the war file from: > > http://bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk/bodington-quickstart.war > > IE6 seems to download it as a zip file, but you can just rename it to a war > file after it has downloaded. > > Drop it into Tomcat, log in as sysadmin, password sysadmin and then go to: > > http://localhost/bodington-quickstart/site/faculties/medicine/test/ Thanks Aggie. Looks nice. One quick comment, the exported marks look to be created as an uploaded file which means that anyone with view permission to the resource can download the final marks once they have been generated. The alternative is to use a a bs_generated_marks.csv and then output the CSV from the Java to the output stream after doing a permission check. This way you can limit it so that only people with review access can only access the marks. Facility.sendVirtualFile() is the method that deals with this. Also you might like to serve up the CSV file with a mime type of something like: resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values"); resp.setHeader("Content-Disposition", "attachment; filename=\"marks.csv\""); Other than that when are we going to see this in Bodington HEAD as it looks really nice? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-07 16:51:58
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Matthew Buckett wrote:
> Peter Crowther wrote:
>
>>>From: Matthew Buckett
>>>resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values");
>>
>>
>>RFC4180 registers 'text/csv' as the MIME type for CSV. This works in
>>IE6 and Firefox 1.06 on Windows, I've not tested it further. I'd not
>>found another type that worked in both.
>
>
> text/comma-separated-values came from the /etc/mime.types on my Linux
> box. Thinking about this a little more you should probably do.
>
> resp.setContentType(BuildingServer.getInstance().getMimeType("marks.csv"))
>
> This way the mapping setup for the container will be used for CSV file
> you generate, otherwise if we have to switch to fix a browser bug it
> will mean changing the code in lots of places.
>
> In fact all resp.setContentType should probably do this that are used
> for generated file.
Looking at the code it seems like Bodington frequently sends XML back
with a mime type of text/plain rather than the more traditional
application/xml. Is there a reason for this? Examples of this include
when it generates menu.xml and filelisting.xml files.
--
-- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
-- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
-- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-07 13:28:52
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Peter Crowther wrote:
>>From: Matthew Buckett
>>resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values");
>
>
> RFC4180 registers 'text/csv' as the MIME type for CSV. This works in
> IE6 and Firefox 1.06 on Windows, I've not tested it further. I'd not
> found another type that worked in both.
text/comma-separated-values came from the /etc/mime.types on my Linux
box. Thinking about this a little more you should probably do.
resp.setContentType(BuildingServer.getInstance().getMimeType("marks.csv"))
This way the mapping setup for the container will be used for CSV file
you generate, otherwise if we have to switch to fix a browser bug it
will mean changing the code in lots of places.
In fact all resp.setContentType should probably do this that are used
for generated file.
--
-- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
-- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
-- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-03-07 13:07:09
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> From: Matthew Buckett
> resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values");
RFC4180 registers 'text/csv' as the MIME type for CSV. This works in
IE6 and Firefox 1.06 on Windows, I've not tested it further. I'd not
found another type that worked in both.
- Peter
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-03-07 12:22:36
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Matthew Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't spotted the view access problem. I'll have a go at fixing it and then if everyone is happy, push it on to HEAD together with the MySQL stuff. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett Sent: 07 March 2006 11:15 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington peer-marking tool Andrew Booth wrote: > You can download the war file from: > > http://bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk/bodington-quickstart.war > > IE6 seems to download it as a zip file, but you can just rename it to a war > file after it has downloaded. > > Drop it into Tomcat, log in as sysadmin, password sysadmin and then go to: > > http://localhost/bodington-quickstart/site/faculties/medicine/test/ Thanks Aggie. Looks nice. One quick comment, the exported marks look to be created as an uploaded file which means that anyone with view permission to the resource can download the final marks once they have been generated. The alternative is to use a a bs_generated_marks.csv and then output the CSV from the Java to the output stream after doing a permission check. This way you can limit it so that only people with review access can only access the marks. Facility.sendVirtualFile() is the method that deals with this. Also you might like to serve up the CSV file with a mime type of something like: resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values"); resp.setHeader("Content-Disposition", "attachment; filename=\"marks.csv\""); Other than that when are we going to see this in Bodington HEAD as it looks really nice? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-07 11:15:16
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Andrew Booth wrote: > You can download the war file from: > > http://bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk/bodington-quickstart.war > > IE6 seems to download it as a zip file, but you can just rename it to a war > file after it has downloaded. > > Drop it into Tomcat, log in as sysadmin, password sysadmin and then go to: > > http://localhost/bodington-quickstart/site/faculties/medicine/test/ Thanks Aggie. Looks nice. One quick comment, the exported marks look to be created as an uploaded file which means that anyone with view permission to the resource can download the final marks once they have been generated. The alternative is to use a a bs_generated_marks.csv and then output the CSV from the Java to the output stream after doing a permission check. This way you can limit it so that only people with review access can only access the marks. Facility.sendVirtualFile() is the method that deals with this. Also you might like to serve up the CSV file with a mime type of something like: resp.setContentType("text/comma-separated-values"); resp.setHeader("Content-Disposition", "attachment; filename=\"marks.csv\""); Other than that when are we going to see this in Bodington HEAD as it looks really nice? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-03-07 10:48:11
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You can download the war file from: http://bmbmac75.leeds.ac.uk/bodington-quickstart.war IE6 seems to download it as a zip file, but you can just rename it to a war file after it has downloaded. Drop it into Tomcat, log in as sysadmin, password sysadmin and then go to: http://localhost/bodington-quickstart/site/faculties/medicine/test/ Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett Sent: 06 March 2006 16:13 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington peer-marking tool Andrew Booth wrote: > I now have a working version of the peer-marking tool. If anyone is > interested in seeing it, I can let you have a quickstart war file containing > a Bodington set up with demo locations, data and users, so you can play > around with it. Please. Can I download it form somewhere? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Brian P. C. <bm...@bm...> - 2006-03-06 19:53:09
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> > From: Brian Peter Clark > [...] > > Ultimately, in this case, the specs are reasonably clear, but not > > very good. The 50% rule is too wishy washy. > > What would you prefer? > > - Peter I said before that my preferred approach, if one has to have a compulsory questionnaire, would be a completely automated badger with questionnaire results revealed to the module leader after the final deadline has passed. There is no arbitrariness, all students are treated equally, the students are not hassled personally, anonymity is preserved. The price is one or two extra emails. Staff time is not used up on the badgers; and the lack of reliability from the less than 100% response might well be balanced by the unreliability introduced by petulance induced by the badgering. However, some remarks on the specs given. First of all, to tighten things up, specify whether or not any interim response summaries are accessible. The simplest case is where summary results are provided only after the final deadline (as opposed to any intermediate badgering deadline). When does revealing the list of non-respondents compromise anonymity? When the number of initial respondents is small. The danger is that it remains small and the anonymity of the initial responders is weakened. So all decisions should be based on numbers, not percentages. If you have a less than 100% response and you want to badger this number up to 100%, I can't see the significance of 50%, at some deadline or otherwise. For very small classes, I wouldn't allow badgering at all - or anonymity goes. So set a numerical limit for initial respondent group size - 10? 15? There is still an arbitrariness here, but it is better than one based on percentages. (There might be stipulated minimum sizes for modules, I don't know.) After the given badger deadline, if the number of respondents is greater than one's chosen lower limit, say 20, then release the names of the non-respondents. It's hard to be definitive without more context, but hide the interim responses and nothing much can go wrong. The cat is set amongst the canneries if any interim responses are made available to the module leader, or, horrors, he or she has continuous access to the responses. If the interim results are made available at the badger deadline, this compromises the anonymity of a small number of those yet to submit (whose crime is being tardy). If the module leader has continuous access to interim data, then there should be a first release of names if the number of respondents is more than the stipulated minimum. Also, there should be no release of names if there are less than the same number left to respond. There might be step-releases after this in blocks of the basic minimum unit. In this, I've assumed that the badger deadline is separate from a line-in-the-sand deadline. After the badger deadline, the student is late. After the final deadline the student has sinned. In this case one might demand that the penalty is loss of anonymity (making an honest response less likely). It was the combination of these considerations that made me use the term wish washy: percentages instead of numbers, small modules, imprecise specification of the nature of the deadline, and lack of information about access to interim data. Regards, Widow Twanky > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-03-06 17:36:57
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We've just had a chat to two Leeds senior managers: Anne Ramsden (Libraries and Head of VLE service) and Jeremy Rayner (Pro-Dean for L&T) as part of the Leeds VLE ITT process. They both expressed a great interest in our Quicklinks facility, so we figure that we should get this into Bodington head ASAP. Does anybody have anything to say about this? It would be nice to get this in to 2.8?? adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug 1: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Shameless plug 2: Use the LUSID PDP system, http://www.lusid.org.uk/ Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Korbacik - Slovakian String Cheese |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-03-06 16:13:29
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Andrew Booth wrote: > I now have a working version of the peer-marking tool. If anyone is > interested in seeing it, I can let you have a quickstart war file containing > a Bodington set up with demo locations, data and users, so you can play > around with it. Please. Can I download it form somewhere? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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