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Re: [Bodington-developers] Questionnaire Functionality

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

Jon Maber wrote:
> A difficulty is that if you use the functionality frequently enough 
> either one or zero names will be dropped from the list compared to 
> previous time. All changes to the results can then be attributed to that 
> person.  The 'less than 50%' restriction protects the anonymity of the 
> first 50% of users but not the last 50%.
> 
> The answer is (I think) to allow access to the tool at any time but when 
> it's run the first thing to do is choose a date. The tool will list 
> users who hadn't yet completed the questionnaire at midnight on that 
> date. The date is chosen so that if the command was run at some unknown 
> point in the past either the same list will be returned as was returned 
> then or a list with at least N more names. The user will be told the 
> date when the list is output and will be told the number (but not names) 
> of people on the list who have now completed the questionnaire.
> 
> Jon
> 

Hmmm... prehaps my original post wasn't clear enough ;-).

I was also saying a cut-off date was required. Up until this date is 
reached, the results can not be retrieved in any way, not via the 
summary tool, nor CSV file, etc. As respondents submit a response, their 
name drops off the non-respondent list. Once all the respondents have 
replied or the deadline is reached (what ever comes first) the resource 
owner can then get the results. As they have received the results all at 
  once, they do not have a clear way or attributing an individual result 
with an individual user. Anonymity has not been leaked over time as it 
would be if the results *and* non-respondents list were both available 
prior to everyone having responded or the deadline being reached. (The 
deadline is required because there can be perfectly legitimate reasons 
for not everyone having responded).

Alexis

Re: [Bodington-developers] Questionnaire Functionality

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

A difficulty is that if you use the functionality frequently enough 
either one or zero names will be dropped from the list compared to 
previous time. All changes to the results can then be attributed to that 
person.  The 'less than 50%' restriction protects the anonymity of the 
first 50% of users but not the last 50%.

The answer is (I think) to allow access to the tool at any time but when 
it's run the first thing to do is choose a date. The tool will list 
users who hadn't yet completed the questionnaire at midnight on that 
date. The date is chosen so that if the command was run at some unknown 
point in the past either the same list will be returned as was returned 
then or a list with at least N more names. The user will be told the 
date when the list is output and will be told the number (but not names) 
of people on the list who have now completed the questionnaire.

Jon


Alexis O'Connor wrote:

> M Thomas wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> Hope you are all well.
>>
>> Could I get your opinion(s) on a piece of functionality that Melandra 
>> are working on for Leeds. I've copied the original text from the 
>> Library docs, see below:
>>
>> Library's current questionnaire work package
>> Objective : Provide a mechanism to monitor completion of module 
>> feedback questionnaires without infringing anonymous submission.
>>
>> Overview
>> Allow a deadline to be set after which the owner can view a standard 
>> HTML list of all the students that have access to the questionnaire 
>> who have not completed it. This list will not be displayed if less 
>> than 50% of the students who have record access have not completed it.
>> _________
>>
>> I understand why this functionality has been requested, but in it's 
>> current state I feel that it will not work particularly well.
>>
>> I believe the rules, that determine when the function is enabled are 
>> to simplistic (see Overview). This could allow tutors to infringe on 
>> the anonymous submission.
>>
>> I have discussed some possible solutions with Peter Crowther, but I'd 
>> appreciate your ideas on the issue.
>>
>> -- 
>> m.cha3l
>
>
> After having a quick think about this with Matthew, we came up with 
> the following rules of thumb:
>
> - *1* respondent is always a special case; *never* release who did not 
> respond.
> - until everyone has responded or a deadline is reached, do not 
> release the results. (A deadline is required when one or more 
> respondents really is knocked over by a bus. You need some kind of 
> termination point to release the results!).
>
> I appreciate that the way I've done it at the moment is dumb - :-[ - 
> (return respondents >=2 ) but that was just intended as a 
> placeholder(!) Clearly that will leak anonymity over time. It'll be 
> good to see what other people think.
>
> Alexis
>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Questionnaire Functionality

[Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...>]

M Thomas wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> Hope you are all well.
> 
> Could I get your opinion(s) on a piece of functionality that Melandra 
> are working on for Leeds. I've copied the original text from the Library 
> docs, see below:
> 
> Library's current questionnaire work package
> Objective : Provide a mechanism to monitor completion of module feedback 
> questionnaires without infringing anonymous submission.
> 
> Overview
> Allow a deadline to be set after which the owner can view a standard 
> HTML list of all the students that have access to the questionnaire who 
> have not completed it. This list will not be displayed if less than 50% 
> of the students who have record access have not completed it.
> _________
> 
> I understand why this functionality has been requested, but in it's 
> current state I feel that it will not work particularly well.
> 
> I believe the rules, that determine when the function is enabled are to 
> simplistic (see Overview). This could allow tutors to infringe on the 
> anonymous submission.
> 
> I have discussed some possible solutions with Peter Crowther, but I'd 
> appreciate your ideas on the issue.
> 
> -- 
> m.cha3l

After having a quick think about this with Matthew, we came up with the 
following rules of thumb:

- *1* respondent is always a special case; *never* release who did not 
respond.
- until everyone has responded or a deadline is reached, do not release 
the results. (A deadline is required when one or more respondents really 
is knocked over by a bus. You need some kind of termination point to 
release the results!).

I appreciate that the way I've done it at the moment is dumb - :-[ - 
(return respondents >=2 ) but that was just intended as a placeholder(!) 
Clearly that will leak anonymity over time. It'll be good to see what 
other people think.

Alexis

[Bodington-developers] Questionnaire Functionality

[M T. <m....@gm...>]

Hello everyone,


Hope you are all well.

Could I get your opinion(s) on a piece of functionality that Melandra are
working on for Leeds. I've copied the original text from the Library docs,
see below:

 Library's current questionnaire work package
Objective : Provide a mechanism to monitor completion of module feedback
questionnaires without infringing anonymous submission.

Overview
Allow a deadline to be set after which the owner can view a standard HTML
list of all the students that have access to the questionnaire who have not
completed it. This list will not be displayed if less than 50% of the
students who have record access have not completed it.
_________

I understand why this functionality has been requested, but in it's current
state I feel that it will not work particularly well.

I believe the rules, that determine when the function is enabled are to
simplistic (see Overview). This could allow tutors to infringe on the
anonymous submission.

I have discussed some possible solutions with Peter Crowther, but I'd
appreciate your ideas on the issue.

--
m.cha3l

Re: [Bodington-developers] Resources and SoftCache

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

Matthew Buckett wrote:

>Jon Maber wrote:
>  
>
>>Matthew Buckett wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I'm looking at building a container (eg floor, building) that can easily
>>>contain 1000s of children.
>>>      
>>>
>>Aha! The recycling building!
>>    
>>
>
>The recycle building is one but I am looking at developing personal
>space for each user and rather than adopting a hack of splitting based
>of the beginning of the name eg:
>
>/users/a/adam/
>/users/a/alexis/
>/users/b/buckett/
>
>I was hoping to support all the resources in one.
>  
>
If a small sub-tree were used people could more easily browse and it 
would fit the building metaphor. For example a building for personal 
study rooms, a floor for surnames starting with the same letter etc. At 
the level of personal rooms the description text could disambiguate 
users with the same initials and surname. Browsing would provide a 
simple alternative to using a search tool to find someone.

>  
>
>>>In the current implementation when a resource
>>>is visited (eg /admin/ground/sys) the code does this:
>>>
>>>First the root resource gets loaded.
>>>Then all the primary keys (PK) of the children are loaded.
>>>Then each child PK is used to load the full resource.
>>>If the name of the child resource matches the first part of the path
>>>(admin) then switch to using this resource and load all the children PKs.
>>>Continue doing this until the patch stops matching resources or we run
>>>out of path.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>It works well if you navigate through the site since at each level all
>>the children need to be loaded in order to list them in the resource
>>menu at each level. It also has the side affect of refreshing accesses
>>to items in the cache that other users most frequently access. So, for
>>example buildings are most frequently 'touched' in the cache and will be
>>available.
>>    
>>
>
>At the moment Resources never get collected as we have a pin_down table
>in resource that every resource loaded by it's primary key gets added to.
>  
>
Quite right - I'd forgotten that.

>  
>
>>>The problem is that you may well have to load all the child resources
>>>just to find the one you are looking for. This probably isn't as bad as
>>>it sounds at first as it is likely that the user will have navigated
>>>through the resource tree loading them all anyway.
>>>
>>>I decided to try to switch to using SoftCache and an additional IndexKey
>>>on Resource (parent_resource_id, name) so that I could do direct lookups
>>>and avoid having to enumerate through all the children.
>>>
>>>The problem is that the performance from IndexKey lookups from softcache
>>>seems to be very poor, of several orders of magnitude worse that
>>>PrimaryKey lookups. I realise that IndexKey has more complex hashCode()
>>>and equals() implementations that PrimaryKey() and SoftCache has to
>>>lookup stuff in several more hashes but I didn't expect things to be
>>>this bad. Is this a known problem?
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>It's not a known problem to me. What is the 'where' clause that your
>>IndexKey produces?
>>    
>>
>
>    public String whereClause()
>    {
>        if (parent == null)
>            return "parent_resource_id IS NULL AND name = "+
>SqlDatabase.quotedSQL(child);
>        else
>            return "parent_resource_id = "+ parent+ " AND name = "+
>SqlDatabase.quotedSQL(child);
>    }
>
>I have an index created to this effect but I don't believe this is a
>database problem.
>
>  
>
No, probably not.

>>>I'm probably going to take a profiler to it so I can get some proper
>>>numbers and ideas about where exactly the problem lies but was wondering
>>>if anyone else has any ideas.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>First thing would be to see if the delay is in the Java execution or the
>>database query. You could just try the various queries in the pgadmin
>>query tool and look at execution time and the execution plan.
>>    
>>
>
>It's all Java as I am running on a database with 30 resources at the
>moment and looking at the statistics outputted by the logging in
>SoftCache most of the lookups hit the cache.
>
>  
>
Hmmm.........         .........good luck!

Re: [Bodington-developers] Resources and SoftCache

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Jon Maber wrote:
> Matthew Buckett wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking at building a container (eg floor, building) that can easily
>> contain 1000s of children.
> 
> Aha! The recycling building!

The recycle building is one but I am looking at developing personal
space for each user and rather than adopting a hack of splitting based
of the beginning of the name eg:

/users/a/adam/
/users/a/alexis/
/users/b/buckett/

I was hoping to support all the resources in one.

>> In the current implementation when a resource
>> is visited (eg /admin/ground/sys) the code does this:
>>
>> First the root resource gets loaded.
>> Then all the primary keys (PK) of the children are loaded.
>> Then each child PK is used to load the full resource.
>> If the name of the child resource matches the first part of the path
>> (admin) then switch to using this resource and load all the children PKs.
>> Continue doing this until the patch stops matching resources or we run
>> out of path.
>>  
>>
> It works well if you navigate through the site since at each level all
> the children need to be loaded in order to list them in the resource
> menu at each level. It also has the side affect of refreshing accesses
> to items in the cache that other users most frequently access. So, for
> example buildings are most frequently 'touched' in the cache and will be
> available.

At the moment Resources never get collected as we have a pin_down table
in resource that every resource loaded by it's primary key gets added to.

>> The problem is that you may well have to load all the child resources
>> just to find the one you are looking for. This probably isn't as bad as
>> it sounds at first as it is likely that the user will have navigated
>> through the resource tree loading them all anyway.
>>
>> I decided to try to switch to using SoftCache and an additional IndexKey
>> on Resource (parent_resource_id, name) so that I could do direct lookups
>> and avoid having to enumerate through all the children.
>>
>> The problem is that the performance from IndexKey lookups from softcache
>> seems to be very poor, of several orders of magnitude worse that
>> PrimaryKey lookups. I realise that IndexKey has more complex hashCode()
>> and equals() implementations that PrimaryKey() and SoftCache has to
>> lookup stuff in several more hashes but I didn't expect things to be
>> this bad. Is this a known problem?
>>  
>>
> It's not a known problem to me. What is the 'where' clause that your
> IndexKey produces?

    public String whereClause()
    {
        if (parent == null)
            return "parent_resource_id IS NULL AND name = "+
SqlDatabase.quotedSQL(child);
        else
            return "parent_resource_id = "+ parent+ " AND name = "+
SqlDatabase.quotedSQL(child);
    }

I have an index created to this effect but I don't believe this is a
database problem.

>> I'm probably going to take a profiler to it so I can get some proper
>> numbers and ideas about where exactly the problem lies but was wondering
>> if anyone else has any ideas.
>>
>>  
>>
> First thing would be to see if the delay is in the Java execution or the
> database query. You could just try the various queries in the pgadmin
> query tool and look at execution time and the execution plan.

It's all Java as I am running on a database with 30 resources at the
moment and looking at the statistics outputted by the logging in
SoftCache most of the lookups hit the cache.

-- 
 -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
 -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
 -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/

Re: [Bodington-developers] Resources and SoftCache

[Jon M. <jo...@te...>]

Matthew Buckett wrote:

>I'm looking at building a container (eg floor, building) that can easily
>contain 1000s of children. 
>
Aha! The recycling building!

>In the current implementation when a resource
>is visited (eg /admin/ground/sys) the code does this:
>
>First the root resource gets loaded.
>Then all the primary keys (PK) of the children are loaded.
>Then each child PK is used to load the full resource.
>If the name of the child resource matches the first part of the path
>(admin) then switch to using this resource and load all the children PKs.
>Continue doing this until the patch stops matching resources or we run
>out of path.
>  
>
It works well if you navigate through the site since at each level all 
the children need to be loaded in order to list them in the resource 
menu at each level. It also has the side affect of refreshing accesses 
to items in the cache that other users most frequently access. So, for 
example buildings are most frequently 'touched' in the cache and will be 
available.

>The problem is that you may well have to load all the child resources
>just to find the one you are looking for. This probably isn't as bad as
>it sounds at first as it is likely that the user will have navigated
>through the resource tree loading them all anyway.
>
>I decided to try to switch to using SoftCache and an additional IndexKey
>on Resource (parent_resource_id, name) so that I could do direct lookups
>and avoid having to enumerate through all the children.
>
>The problem is that the performance from IndexKey lookups from softcache
>seems to be very poor, of several orders of magnitude worse that
>PrimaryKey lookups. I realise that IndexKey has more complex hashCode()
>and equals() implementations that PrimaryKey() and SoftCache has to
>lookup stuff in several more hashes but I didn't expect things to be
>this bad. Is this a known problem?
>  
>
It's not a known problem to me. What is the 'where' clause that your 
IndexKey produces?

>I'm probably going to take a profiler to it so I can get some proper
>numbers and ideas about where exactly the problem lies but was wondering
>if anyone else has any ideas.
>
>  
>
First thing would be to see if the delay is in the Java execution or the 
database query. You could just try the various queries in the pgadmin 
query tool and look at execution time and the execution plan.

Jon

Re: [Bodington-developers] Resources and SoftCache

[Colin T. <col...@ou...>]

Matthew Buckett wrote:
> I'm looking at building a container that can easily
> contain 1000s of children. 

There's no holding that Buckett back!



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[Bodington-developers] Resources and SoftCache

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

I'm looking at building a container (eg floor, building) that can easily
contain 1000s of children. In the current implementation when a resource
is visited (eg /admin/ground/sys) the code does this:

First the root resource gets loaded.
Then all the primary keys (PK) of the children are loaded.
Then each child PK is used to load the full resource.
If the name of the child resource matches the first part of the path
(admin) then switch to using this resource and load all the children PKs.
Continue doing this until the patch stops matching resources or we run
out of path.

The problem is that you may well have to load all the child resources
just to find the one you are looking for. This probably isn't as bad as
it sounds at first as it is likely that the user will have navigated
through the resource tree loading them all anyway.

I decided to try to switch to using SoftCache and an additional IndexKey
on Resource (parent_resource_id, name) so that I could do direct lookups
and avoid having to enumerate through all the children.

The problem is that the performance from IndexKey lookups from softcache
seems to be very poor, of several orders of magnitude worse that
PrimaryKey lookups. I realise that IndexKey has more complex hashCode()
and equals() implementations that PrimaryKey() and SoftCache has to
lookup stuff in several more hashes but I didn't expect things to be
this bad. Is this a known problem?

I'm probably going to take a profiler to it so I can get some proper
numbers and ideas about where exactly the problem lies but was wondering
if anyone else has any ideas.

-- 
 -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
 -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
 -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/

Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

> * easy to configure
> * beautiful written code.
<blush /> :)

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Senior Software Engineer
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Isle of Skye
Scotland

> Brian Peter Clark wrote:
>
>>I would recommend you use Guanxi SP guard because it is a
>>better product THAN Shib SP guard :-) .=0F
>>
>>
>>Why is it better, Atif?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
> * easy to configure
> * beautiful written code.
>
> Ta
> Atif.
>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Atif S. <BM...@bm...>]

Brian Peter Clark wrote:

>I would recommend you use Guanxi SP guard because it is a 
>better product THAN Shib SP guard :-) .
>
>
>Why is it better, Atif?
>
>Brian
>  
>
* easy to configure
* beautiful written code.

Ta
Atif.

Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Brian P. C. <bm...@bm...>]

Matthew Buckett wrote: 
    Atif Suleman wrote:
      
    Peter Crowther wrote:
          
    Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
    it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
    the problem?
       
    
            
    Do you have the stack trace?
    Did the installer run the SQL in
    src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
    sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
     
    
          
    Did the installer run the following SQL in :
    src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
    Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
    And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL
    Server database?
    
    SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.
        
    
    Is there any documentation on using Bodington as an SP?
    
      
The documentation to configure bodington to work with a SP 
guard (i.e. Guanxi SP or Shib SP) is in the following config file:
$BODINGTON_HOME/WEB-INF/bodington-sp/config/sp-
authenticator.xml

I would recommend you use Guanxi SP guard because it is a 
better product THAN Shib SP guard :-) .


Why is it better, Atif?

Brian

RE: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

Is there an easy to access 'getting started' guide anywhere? This would seem
an essential document.

 

adam

 

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Suleman
Sent: 02 March 2006 12:07
To: bod...@li...
Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

 

Matthew Buckett wrote: 

Atif Suleman wrote:
  

Peter Crowther wrote:
      

Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
the problem?
   
 
        

Do you have the stack trace?
Did the installer run the SQL in
src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
 
 
      

Did the installer run the following SQL in :
src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL
Server database?
 
SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.
    

 
Is there any documentation on using Bodington as an SP?
 
  

The documentation to configure bodington to work with a SP guard (i.e.
Guanxi SP or Shib SP) is in the following config file:
$BODINGTON_HOME/WEB-INF/bodington-sp/config/sp-authenticator.xml

I would recommend you use Guanxi SP guard because it is a better product
THAN Shib SP guard :-) .

Ta
Atif.

Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Atif S. <BM...@bm...>]

Matthew Buckett wrote:

>Atif Suleman wrote:
>  
>
>>>Peter Crowther wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
>>>>it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
>>>>the problem?
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Do you have the stack trace?
>>>Did the installer run the SQL in
>>>src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
>>>sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Did the installer run the following SQL in :
>>src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
>>Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
>>And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL
>>Server database?
>>
>>SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.
>>    
>>
>
>Is there any documentation on using Bodington as an SP?
>
>  
>
The documentation to configure bodington to work with a SP guard (i.e. 
Guanxi SP or Shib SP) is in the following config file:
$BODINGTON_HOME/WEB-INF/bodington-sp/config/sp-authenticator.xml

I would recommend you use Guanxi SP guard because it is a better product 
THAN Shib SP guard :-) .

Ta
Atif.

Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Brian P. C. <bm...@bm...>]

> Atif Suleman wrote:
> > 
> >>Peter Crowther wrote:
> >>>Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
> >>>it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
> >>>the problem?
> >>>    
> >>>
> >>
> >>Do you have the stack trace?
> >>Did the installer run the SQL in
> >>src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
> >>sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
> >>  
> >>
> > Did the installer run the following SQL in :
> > src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
> > Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
> > And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL
> > Server database?
> > 
> > SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.
> 
> Is there any documentation on using Bodington as an SP?

Documentation?  Bodington?  Shome mishtake shurely?

Brian
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Atif Suleman wrote:
> 
>>Peter Crowther wrote:
>>>Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
>>>it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
>>>the problem?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Do you have the stack trace?
>>Did the installer run the SQL in
>>src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
>>sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
>>  
>>
> Did the installer run the following SQL in :
> src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
> Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
> And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL
> Server database?
> 
> SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.

Is there any documentation on using Bodington as an SP?

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Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Atif S. <BM...@bm...>]

>Peter Crowther wrote:
>  
>
>>While trying to search for users to add to a group:
>>"org.bodington.server.BuildingServerException: Unknown java class for
>>database: org.bodington.server.realm.sp.SPAuthUser"
>>    
>>
>
>Facility.listusers() seems to be working ok for me on a clean quickstart
>database.
>
It seems to be working ok for me on a clean quickstart database.

>>Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
>>it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
>>the problem?
>>    
>>
>
>Do you have the stack trace?
>Did the installer run the SQL in
>src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
>sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?
>  
>
Did the installer run the following SQL in : 
src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql?
Can you see the table sp_auth_user in the MS-SQL Server database?
And also can you see the right stuff in class/fields table in the MS-SQL 
Server database?

SPAuthUser class is used to store the user name of SP authenticated user.

RE: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Matthew Buckett
> Facility.listusers() seems to be working ok for me on a clean=20
> quickstart database.

I trashed my installation and went from 'ant clean' plus a clear
database again.  It's now working.  GOK what happened - tough.

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Peter Crowther wrote:
> While trying to search for users to add to a group:
> "org.bodington.server.BuildingServerException: Unknown java class for
> database: org.bodington.server.realm.sp.SPAuthUser"

Facility.listusers() seems to be working ok for me on a clean quickstart
database.

> Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
> it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
> the problem?

Do you have the stack trace?
Did the installer run the SQL in
src/org.bodington/server/realm/sp/SPAuthUser.sql? ie do you have the
sp_auth_user table and the right stuff in class/fields?

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Re: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

Peter - sounds like a shibb thing - SP - Atif should be able to clarify.
AFAIK all the bod shibb as SP is in CVS HEAD though.

--=20
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Senior Software Engineer
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Isle of Skye
Scotland

> While trying to search for users to add to a group:
> "org.bodington.server.BuildingServerException: Unknown java class for
> database: org.bodington.server.realm.sp.SPAuthUser"
>
> Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
> it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixin=
g
> the problem?
>
> 		- Peter
>
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RE: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

Atif !!!!!

This looks like yours.

Aggie

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Subject: [Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

While trying to search for users to add to a group:
"org.bodington.server.BuildingServerException: Unknown java class for
database: org.bodington.server.realm.sp.SPAuthUser"

Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
the problem?

		- Peter


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[Bodington-developers] Unknown Java class SPAuthUser

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

While trying to search for users to add to a group:
"org.bodington.server.BuildingServerException: Unknown java class for
database: org.bodington.server.realm.sp.SPAuthUser"

Does anyone know off the top of their head what this class does, why
it's unconfigured in a new installation, and how I might go about fixing
the problem?

		- Peter

RE: [Bodington-developers] New Stuff on Bodington HEAD

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Matthew Buckett
> So do you think you might look at roles? ;-)

Not given the amount we're being paid to do this ;-).  If someone else
were to implement the infrastructure, it could no doubt be piggy-backed
on there rather than on the permissions system.

> Are you just wanting to display this to the managers of the=20
> resource of to users of the resource as well?

Good point

Re: [Bodington-developers] New Stuff on Bodington HEAD

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Peter Crowther wrote:
>>From: Matthew Buckett
>>This is one problem we have with Bodington currently not having a
>>concept of roles. Rather than just piling on the permissions are we
>>going to ever look defining and using roles?
> 
> Quite.

So do you think you might look at roles? ;-)

>>Do you have anything more on what is considered editing the 
>>resource?
> 
> No, but I'm gathering that information.

Are you just wanting to display this to the managers of the resource of
to users of the resource as well?

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RE: [Bodington-developers] Gotcha with facility/session split

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Jon Maber
> I won't hear anything said against MS-SQL. I think it's one=20
> of the few MS products that I would recommend

It was the first MS product I'd recommend - and still do, in the teeth =
of the PostgreSQL users on this list ;-).

> mainly for the profiler, query=20
> analyser and management user interface.

I'd add 'performance' to that - we've had a number of discussions about =
optimisation on this list, and have had to spend brainpower devising =
optimisations for situations that MSSQL handles with no issue but other =
RDBMSs hae problems with.

> Only problem is the silly price.

That would be 'a small fraction of Oracle's pricing, divided by 5 =
because we're an academic institution' then?  In these days of dual =
cores and SQL Server being licensed per hunk of silicon, the academic =
price for (say) a dual Xeon would be... (checks)... About =A3700 per =
processor plus the base license and the media.  Assuming standard rather =
than enterprise edition, the whole thing comes in under =A32k for SQL =
Server.  Bod uses standard auth, so your Windows server isn't serving =
Windows accounts so you don't need CALs for that, either.

		- Peter