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From: Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...> - 2006-05-02 08:52:10
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Alistair Young wrote: > Jon - in case you haven't see it yet: > > http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90 > > how to localise templates. > > Alistair > Ah yes, that's the page I meant too. I thought the one I suggested didn't bear much resemblance to the one I remembered ;-). Alexis |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-05-02 08:21:25
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Yes! SF will tell you the url. adam | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 01 May 2006 18:18 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: [Bodington-developers] bod.org rss |=20 | is there an rss feed for bod.org? I'll add it to the Guanxi wiki |=20 | www.guanxi.uhi.ac.uk |=20 | -- | Alistair Young | Senior Software Engineer | UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig | Isle of Skye | Scotland |=20 |=20 |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, = security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache = Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-01 17:17:53
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is there an rss feed for bod.org? I'll add it to the Guanxi wiki www.guanxi.uhi.ac.uk --=20 Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-01 11:19:23
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anyone got any ideas? should we showcase bod as SP? Alistair Begin forwarded message: > From: Nicole Harris <n.h...@JI...> > Date: 25 April 2006 17:22:22 BDT > To: JIS...@JI... > Subject: Federation Showcase: 18th July 2006 > Reply-To: Core Middleware Technology Development <JISC-MIDDLEWARE-=20 > DEV...@JI...>, Nicole Harris <n.h...@JI...> > > Dear Projects > > > > As previously mentioned, we are tentatively thinking about holding =20 > a public event on federated access management on 18th July =96 =20 > unfortunately during the summer holidays, but we can=92t afford to =20 > close shop this summer! I=92m seeking volunteers who might be =20 > willing to offer one or more of the ideas listed below. The idea =20 > is to offer a complete =91showcase=92 of developments =96 not just = within =20 > the UK but internationally as well. Please do let me know if you =20 > would be willing to consider taking part. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Nicole > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Demonstrations: > > > > Presentations either of technologies created within your project, =20 > or of your implementation of someone else=92s product! > > > > Project Posters / Advice: > > > > Posters of projects and people willing to give advice to potential =20 > adopters. > > > > Presentations: > > > > Best practise: directories > > Best practise: single sign-on solutions > > Change management from a library perspective (rolling out federated =20= > access management) > > Resource management from a library perspective (tools to support =20 > resource management with a federated context) > > Service provider perspectives > > Institutions as service providers > > > > ---------------------- > > Nicole Harris > Programme Manager > > JISC London Office > > 138 - 142 The Strand > > London WC2R 1HH > > > > Fax: +44 (0)20 7848 7939 > > Tel: +44 (0)20 7848 1802 > > Mobile: 07734 058308 > > > > |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-01 10:37:18
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The GuardRequest just copies the headers as-is. It doesn't change them. It just adds the SAML attributes to the headers. So I'd say it is indeed a java 1.5 bug and you do indeed, sir, owe me an eclair ;) Alistair On 26 Apr 2006, at 12:23, Andrew Booth wrote: > You are right, it overrides getHeader(). > > I want my cakes back! ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of > Matthew Buckett > Sent: 26 April 2006 11:58 > To: bod...@li... > Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Possible bug in Java 1.5.0 > > Andrew Booth wrote: >> Yes - it wraps it in a servlet requestwrapper. > > And it doesn't implement it's own getHeader() method but rather leaves > it to the HttpServletRequestWrapper implementation. > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-05-01 10:01:53
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wot! no bank holiday in scotland? (Ta for URL.) Jon Alistair Young wrote: > Jon - in case you haven't see it yet: > > http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90 > > how to localise templates. > > Alistair > > On 27 Apr 2006, at 13:22, Jon Maber wrote: > >> 1) >> Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll >> repost next week. >> >> I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual >> English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly >> bilingual. They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML >> files etc. but will be more than capable of translating educational >> terminology etc. So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's >> localisation features for Bodington? >> >> 2) >> Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and >> easily set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At >> present creating administrative zones is something that involves >> bringing Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the >> database. So, to make life easier for my client (and anyone else who >> wants to host a shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) >> I'm thinking of adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone >> would create the zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as >> the Bodington installation code but doing it at runtime. >> >> So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would >> be to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, >> plain rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create >> zone template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and >> would then create the zone and create group structures at the >> location where the user invoked the functionality. >> >> Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar? >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-05-01 09:26:47
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Jon - in case you haven't see it yet: http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=90 how to localise templates. Alistair On 27 Apr 2006, at 13:22, Jon Maber wrote: > 1) > Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll > repost next week. > > I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual > English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly > bilingual. They probably lack technical expertise in things like > XML files etc. but will be more than capable of translating > educational terminology etc. So, is there a idiot's guide to using > Alistair's localisation features for Bodington? > > 2) > Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and > easily set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. > At present creating administrative zones is something that involves > bringing Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the > database. So, to make life easier for my client (and anyone else > who wants to host a shared Bodington installation for multiple > clients) I'm thinking of adding zone management functionality. > Adding a zone would create the zone itself and a set of groups in > the same way as the Bodington installation code but doing it at > runtime. > > So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would > be to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, > plain rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create > zone template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and > would then create the zone and create group structures at the > location where the user invoked the functionality. > > Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something > similar? > > Jon > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-04-28 15:55:11
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Andrew Booth wrote: > We only use 1.5 here, so moving to 1.5-specific code wouldn't worry us. 1.5 > has been available for Macs for some time, so I guess those north of the > border wouldn't worry too much? It was never available for 10.3.9, only 10.4 and greater, other problem is you can't get it for more exotic Unixes. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-04-28 14:30:30
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> From: Andrew Booth > 1.5 > has been available for Macs for some time, so I guess those=20 > north of the border wouldn't worry too much? Ah, but are there separate Mac versions for Macdonald and Macgregor? - Peter |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-04-28 14:15:16
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We only use 1.5 here, so moving to 1.5-specific code wouldn't worry us. 1.5 has been available for Macs for some time, so I guess those north of the border wouldn't worry too much? Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett Sent: 28 April 2006 14:44 To: Bodington Developers Subject: [Bodington-developers] commons-lang and Java 1.5 Does anyone mind including the external library commons-lang? http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/lang/index.html The Lang Component provides a host of helper utilities for the java.lang API, notably String manipulation methods, basic numerical methods, object reflection, creation and serialization, and System properties. Additionally it contains an inheritable enum type, an exception structure that supports multiple types of nested-Exceptions, basic enhancements to java.util.Date and a series of utlities dedicated to help with building methods, such as hashCode, toString and equals. The reason I ask is for a decent enum implementation which commons lang has and 1.4 doesn't. Are there any opinions about moving to writing code that depends on Java 1.5? Generics, enums, etc? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-04-28 13:56:49
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> From: Matthew Buckett > Are there any opinions about moving to writing code that=20 > depends on Java 1.5? Our likely deployment platforms are Windows NT-stream, Mac OS X, Linux/x86 and Solaris, I believe. Mature 1.5 JVMs are available for all of these platforms. However, I don't know whether the app servers are all absolutely solid on 1.5 yet. I've not heard that they *aren't*, I simply don't know. Most particularly, is anyone deploying on WebSphere Application Server, and if so are they using the Sun or the IBM JVM? - Peter |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-04-28 13:44:14
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Does anyone mind including the external library commons-lang? http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/lang/index.html The Lang Component provides a host of helper utilities for the java.lang API, notably String manipulation methods, basic numerical methods, object reflection, creation and serialization, and System properties. Additionally it contains an inheritable enum type, an exception structure that supports multiple types of nested-Exceptions, basic enhancements to java.util.Date and a series of utlities dedicated to help with building methods, such as hashCode, toString and equals. The reason I ask is for a decent enum implementation which commons lang has and 1.4 doesn't. Are there any opinions about moving to writing code that depends on Java 1.5? Generics, enums, etc? -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-04-28 12:41:57
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Good luck with it.! adam | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Crowther | Sent: 28 April 2006 13:20 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] ims CP (again) |=20 | > From: Adam Marshall | > Does the melandra IMS CP work involve an export from Bod? |=20 | Yes. In fact the error I'm investigating involves a round-trip: | exporting from Bod, then re-importing. |=20 | - Peter |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, = security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache = Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-04-28 12:19:59
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> From: Adam Marshall > Does the melandra IMS CP work involve an export from Bod?=20 Yes. In fact the error I'm investigating involves a round-trip: exporting from Bod, then re-importing. - Peter |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-04-28 12:14:32
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Does the melandra IMS CP work involve an export from Bod? We want to export all our documentation from WebLearn so that it can be imported (via IMS CP) into Clan and the quick-start WARF. We'd also be interested in importing some documentation from the other bods into weblearn assuming there is something that we want, the easiest way to do this would be using IMS CP. Adam |
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From: Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...> - 2006-04-28 12:01:17
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Jon Maber wrote: > Paste away! > Don't give him bad ideas ;-). Alexis |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-04-28 11:53:37
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Paste away! Adam Marshall wrote: > Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki? > > adam > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber > | Sent: 27 April 2006 18:20 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? > | > | The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable > | option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. I > | would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time > | would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be > | switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones. > | > | Explanation of zones.... > | > | The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief > | was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium could > | create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We > | wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for colleges > | to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names. > | Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is > | responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user > | management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from > | messing up another college's accounts. (However, non-standard user > | management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.) > | > | A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside that > | resource inherit the zone id. The user management tools then operate in > | that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set its > | zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that > | admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their own > | admin zone when they create users. > | > | The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and > | staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth to > | allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each > | college could run its own identity management server to allow users to > | log into a single shared VLE. However, my clients are planning to host > | on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and > | possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for them. > | > | In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation at > | Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can > | distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need to > | create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to > | create log-ins for themselves. > | > | Andrew Booth wrote: > | > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a > | nuisance > | > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix > | > when creating users. That's certainly the case locally, but I don't > | know if > | > it got onto HEAD. > | > > | > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back. > | > > | > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote > | before > | > anything more about zones goes into HEAD. > | > > | > Aggie > | > > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: bod...@li... > | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of > | Adam > | > Marshall > | > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14 > | > To: bod...@li... > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? > | > > | > > | > > | > | -----Original Message----- > | > | From: bod...@li... > | [mailto:bodington- > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber > | > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22 > | > | To: bod...@li... > | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? > | > | > | > | 1) > | > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll > | repost > | > | next week. > | > | > | > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual > | > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly > | bilingual. > | > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. > | but > | > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc. > | > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features > | > | for Bodington? > | > > | > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates! > | > > | > | > | > | 2) > | > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily > | > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present > | > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing > | > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, > | to > | > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a > | > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of > | > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the > | > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington > | > | installation code but doing it at runtime. > | > > | > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really > | use > | > zones. > | > > | > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in > | head > | > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. > | > > | > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one > | user' > | > page; so that would be warmly received! > | > > | > Adam > | > > | > | > | > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be > | > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain > | > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone > | > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would > | then > | > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the > | > | user invoked the functionality. > | > | > | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something > | similar? > | > | > | > | Jon > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > | security? > | > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > | > | easier > | > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > | Geronimo > | > | http://sel.as- > | us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > | > | _______________________________________________ > | > | Bodington-developers mailing list > | > | Bod...@li... > | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > | security? > | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > | > easier > | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > | Geronimo > | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > | > _______________________________________________ > | > Bodington-developers mailing list > | > Bod...@li... > | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | > > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > | security? > | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > | easier > | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > | Geronimo > | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 > | > _______________________________________________ > | > Bodington-developers mailing list > | > Bod...@li... > | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | > > | > > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > | easier > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > | _______________________________________________ > | Bodington-developers mailing list > | Bod...@li... > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > |
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From: Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...> - 2006-04-28 08:21:31
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Adam Marshall wrote: > You don't expect me to actually read it do you? > Yes. That way other people might actually read what you put in! Alexis |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-04-28 08:18:33
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You don't expect me to actually read it do you? | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alexis O'Connor | Sent: 28 April 2006 09:14 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? | | Adam Marshall wrote: | > Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki? | > | > adam | | Digest it first then put it into the wiki ;-). | | Alexis | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alexis O'C. <ale...@ou...> - 2006-04-28 08:13:45
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Adam Marshall wrote: > Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki? > > adam Digest it first then put it into the wiki ;-). Alexis |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-04-28 08:00:13
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Would it be OK to past this email into the bod.org wiki? adam | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber | Sent: 27 April 2006 18:20 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? |=20 | The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable | option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. = I | would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time | would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be | switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones. |=20 | Explanation of zones.... |=20 | The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief | was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium = could | create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We | wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for = colleges | to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names. | Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is | responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user | management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from | messing up another college's accounts. (However, non-standard user | management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.) |=20 | A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside = that | resource inherit the zone id. The user management tools then operate = in | that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set = its | zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that | admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their = own | admin zone when they create users. |=20 | The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and | staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth = to | allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each | college could run its own identity management server to allow users to | log into a single shared VLE. However, my clients are planning to = host | on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and | possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for = them. |=20 | In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation = at | Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can | distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need = to | create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to | create log-ins for themselves. |=20 | Andrew Booth wrote: | > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a | nuisance | > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username = prefix | > when creating users. That's certainly the case locally, but I don't | know if | > it got onto HEAD. | > | > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back. | > | > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a = vote | before | > anything more about zones goes into HEAD. | > | > Aggie | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf = Of | Adam | > Marshall | > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14 | > To: bod...@li... | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? | > | > | > | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: bod...@li... | [mailto:bodington- | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber | > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22 | > | To: bod...@li... | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? | > | | > | 1) | > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll | repost | > | next week. | > | | > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual | > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly | bilingual. | > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files = etc. | but | > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology = etc. | > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation = features | > | for Bodington? | > | > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised = templates! | > | > | | > | 2) | > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and = easily | > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At = present | > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing | > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. = So, | to | > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host = a | > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking = of | > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create = the | > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington | > | installation code but doing it at runtime. | > | > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't = really | use | > zones. | > | > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is = in | head | > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. | > | > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one | user' | > page; so that would be warmly received! | > | > Adam | > | > | | > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea = would be | > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, = plain | > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone | > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and = would | then | > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where = the | > | user invoked the functionality. | > | | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something | similar? | > | | > | Jon | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | ------------------------------------------------------- | > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | security? | > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your = job | > | easier | > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | Geronimo | > | http://sel.as- | us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D121642 | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Bodington-developers mailing list | > | Bod...@li... | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your = job | > easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | Geronimo | > = http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D= 121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your = job | easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | Geronimo | > = http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > |=20 |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, = security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache = Geronimo | = http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D= 121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-04-27 17:20:11
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The use of the zone prefix on the user name ought to be a configurable option. Setting the option could be part of the zone management tool. I would suggest that the default admin zone created at installation time would have no prefix as the default setting but that it could be switched on by the sysadmin for the additional zones. Explanation of zones.... The original use case was the OnLiNM Bodington installation. The brief was to create a shared VLE in which each college in the consortium could create its own user accounts and administrate its own resources. We wanted user names to be unique across all the colleges but for colleges to be able define their own scheme for allocating the user names. Consequently the admin zone identifies the organisation which is responsible for issuing user names and passwords. The standard user management tool enforced a user name prefix to keep one college from messing up another college's accounts. (However, non-standard user management tools need not enforce the user name prefix.) A resource can have its zone id set and the other resources inside that resource inherit the zone id. The user management tools then operate in that effective zone. So, the sysadmin can create a building and set its zone id so that any tools created in that building operate within that admin zone. This is how the colleges are forced to stay within their own admin zone when they create users. The best way to allow collaboration given suitable IT facilities and staff would be to give each college its own server and use shibboleth to allow users to navigate from server to server. Alternatively each college could run its own identity management server to allow users to log into a single shared VLE. However, my clients are planning to host on-line campuses for organisations with very limited IT resources and possibly no campus so the admin zone functionality makes sense for them. In answer to Paul's question - I would suggest that in your situation at Oxford you don't really need another zone for external users. You can distinguish them by putting them in a different group. You only need to create a new admin zone if you plan to allow another organisation to create log-ins for themselves. Andrew Booth wrote: > Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a nuisance > and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix > when creating users. That's certainly the case locally, but I don't know if > it got onto HEAD. > > I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back. > > So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote before > anything more about zones goes into HEAD. > > Aggie > > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Adam > Marshall > Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14 > To: bod...@li... > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? > > > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber > | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? > | > | 1) > | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll repost > | next week. > | > | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual > | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly bilingual. > | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. but > | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc. > | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features > | for Bodington? > > You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates! > > | > | 2) > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington > | installation code but doing it at runtime. > > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use > zones. > > You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in head > yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. > > The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one user' > page; so that would be warmly received! > > Adam > > | > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the > | user invoked the functionality. > | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar? > | > | Jon > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > | easier > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > | _______________________________________________ > | Bodington-developers mailing list > | Bod...@li... > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-04-27 16:31:27
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Some time ago we took the attitude that the zones were a bit of a = nuisance and we have modified the code to get rid of the enforced username prefix when creating users. That's certainly the case locally, but I don't = know if it got onto HEAD. I would be very unhappy if zone prefix enforcement comes back. So go ahead and set it up for your client, but I think we need a vote = before anything more about zones goes into HEAD. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of = Adam Marshall Sent: 27 April 2006 16:14 To: bod...@li... Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? |=20 | 1) | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll = repost | next week. |=20 | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly = bilingual. | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. = but | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc. | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features | for Bodington? You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates! |=20 | 2) | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, = to | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington | installation code but doing it at runtime. See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really = use zones.=20 You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in = head yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones.=20 The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one = user' page; so that would be warmly received!=20 Adam |=20 | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would = then | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the | user invoked the functionality. |=20 | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something = similar? |=20 | Jon |=20 |=20 |=20 |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, = security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache = Geronimo | = http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D= 121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, = security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache = Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=3D= 121642 _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Paul T. <pau...@ou...> - 2006-04-27 16:06:55
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On 27/04/2006 16:13, Adam Marshall wrote: > | 2) > | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily > | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present > | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing > | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to > | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a > | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of > | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the > | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington > | installation code but doing it at runtime. > > See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use > zones. > Or, rather, we don't really know how to use zones. So anything to clarify the role of zones in user account management, especially account creation, would be useful. We should be making use of at least two zones here - one for Oxford users and another for external users: so we ought to have created users belonging to allstaff, but not campus.staff, which can be done through the user account creation tool within the System Admin zone that's set up in a default install, but that zone is really for sys admin accounts. In practice, I've just created all accounts using the same tool (within the campus zone). > | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be > | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain > | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone > | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then > | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the > | user invoked the functionality. > | > | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar? > Seems OK to me. In any case, I'd appreciate some nice documentation on zones, covering e.g.its rationale and a use case. - Paul ---------------------------- Paul Trafford WebLearn Administrator Computing Services 13 Banbury Road Oxford OX2 6NN pau...@ou... x. 83429 ---------------------------- |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-04-27 15:13:49
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| -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber | Sent: 27 April 2006 13:22 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: [Bodington-developers] i18n Guide? and Admin Zones? | | 1) | Probably a question for Alistair so if no one else can help I'll repost | next week. | | I have a (potential) client who will be setting up bilingual | English/Spanish teaching resources and whose staff are mostly bilingual. | They probably lack technical expertise in things like XML files etc. but | will be more than capable of translating educational terminology etc. | So, is there a idiot's guide to using Alistair's localisation features | for Bodington? You may be disappointed at the number of internationalised templates! | | 2) | Another requirement of this client is to be able to quickly and easily | set up new buildings each with its own administrative zone. At present | creating administrative zones is something that involves bringing | Bodington down and running a script of some sort on the database. So, to | make life easier for my client (and anyone else who wants to host a | shared Bodington installation for multiple clients) I'm thinking of | adding zone management functionality. Adding a zone would create the | zone itself and a set of groups in the same way as the Bodington | installation code but doing it at runtime. See no reason why not from our point of view, although we don't really use zones. You know we have some code for administrators which I don't think is in head yet - Matthew has the details - but there's nowt to do with zones. The one thing we didn't get done is a simple form-based 'create one user' page; so that would be warmly received! Adam | | So, can I check that people are O.K. with this plan? The idea would be | to add a create zone link to the manage page of floors, suites, plain | rooms which is visible only with sysadmin access. The create zone | template would simply ask for a zone prefix and zone name and would then | create the zone and create group structures at the location where the | user invoked the functionality. | | Does this seems alright? Is anyone already working on something similar? | | Jon | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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