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Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

+1 on the notes in. Being in, someone who is motivated can edit them as
they go. Being out, no one but adam (HA!-) can edit them.

nature abhors a vaccum.

Speaking of vaccum: Colin, does everyone who has a name agaist some text
in the 2.8 list have an account yet, and thus they are simply lazy, or do
they still need accounts?-)

s


<quote who=3D"Adam Marshall">
> I think a history of development meeting looks good as it indicates a
> vibrant development community, also - it may possibly be useful to refe=
r
> back to the notes sometimes. So I disagree!
>
> adam
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li...
> | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf=
 Of
> | Colin Tatham
> | Sent: 08 June 2006 11:31
> | To: Bodington developers
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?
> |
> | Adam Marshall wrote:
> | > I have meeting notes for
> | >
> | > 10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006
> | >
> | > Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.
> |
> | I don't think a simple paste is helpful. I often found the notes
> difficult
> | to relate to the topics
> | discussed, so I reckon you'd need to quite a bit of re-wording, and
> | extracting only the relevant
> | stuff. (I don't think anyone's impressed purely by quantity of conten=
t
> in
> | a dev wiki, I'm a fan of
> | less is more...)
> |
> |
> | Colin
> |
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Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Colin T. <col...@ou...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> I think a history of development meeting looks good as it indicates a
> vibrant development community, also - it may possibly be useful to refer
> back to the notes sometimes. So I disagree!

OK. (I didn't say don't do it at all, I was saying they need some digesting if we want the content 
to be at all useful).

It also implies that we're going to continue doing it -- there are examples in WebLearn where 
someone decided to put something up, but they don't maintain it, so after a short while it starts 
looking worse than if there'd never been anything there at all! (Just trying to suggest we 
concentrate our efforts on the most worthwhile stuff).

I think having meeting notes on the Wiki is a good idea, personally I don't think those old ones are 
worth adding...

Colin


> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li...
> | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
> | Colin Tatham
> | Sent: 08 June 2006 11:31
> | To: Bodington developers
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?
> | 
> | Adam Marshall wrote:
> | > I have meeting notes for
> | >
> | > 10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006
> | >
> | > Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.
> | 
> | I don't think a simple paste is helpful. I often found the notes difficult
> | to relate to the topics
> | discussed, so I reckon you'd need to quite a bit of re-wording, and
> | extracting only the relevant
> | stuff. (I don't think anyone's impressed purely by quantity of content in
> | a dev wiki, I'm a fan of
> | less is more...)
> | 
> | 
> | Colin
> | 
> | --
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> | Colin Tatham
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> | Oxford University Computing Services
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[Bodington-developers] Bods docs

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

I have added placeholders for user and admin documentation in the wiki - it
would be good to populate the links! 

Do UHI / Leeds have any links to add?

An installation guide is an absolute must, does anybody have the definitive
version?

It would be good to extract useful stuff from the original bod.org and house
it somewhere 'permanently'

adam

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Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

I think a history of development meeting looks good as it indicates a
vibrant development community, also - it may possibly be useful to refer
back to the notes sometimes. So I disagree!

adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Colin Tatham
| Sent: 08 June 2006 11:31
| To: Bodington developers
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?
| 
| Adam Marshall wrote:
| > I have meeting notes for
| >
| > 10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006
| >
| > Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.
| 
| I don't think a simple paste is helpful. I often found the notes difficult
| to relate to the topics
| discussed, so I reckon you'd need to quite a bit of re-wording, and
| extracting only the relevant
| stuff. (I don't think anyone's impressed purely by quantity of content in
| a dev wiki, I'm a fan of
| less is more...)
| 
| 
| Colin
| 
| --
| ____________________________________
| Colin Tatham
| VLE Team
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| 
| http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/
| http://bodington.org
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Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Colin T. <col...@ou...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> I have meeting notes for 
> 
> 10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006
> 
> Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.

I don't think a simple paste is helpful. I often found the notes difficult to relate to the topics 
discussed, so I reckon you'd need to quite a bit of re-wording, and extracting only the relevant 
stuff. (I don't think anyone's impressed purely by quantity of content in a dev wiki, I'm a fan of 
less is more...)


Colin

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http://bodington.org

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Matthew Buckett
> When walking I have this mentality that unless it keeps me dry, warm,=20
> hydrated, nourished I ain't going to carry it. Having said that...

That would be 'a piece of paper with the addresses of nearby B&Bs'
then... :-)

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

stick them in, go on....

s


<quote who=3D"Adam Marshall">
> I have meeting notes for
>
> 10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006
>
> Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.
>
> adam
>
>
>
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UHI

[Bodington-developers] old dev meet notes into wiki?

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

I have meeting notes for 

10/6/2004 - 28/04/2006

Should I paste them into the wiki? Shout of you say no.

adam

Re: [Bodington-developers] spring + i12n

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Alistair Young
> My bin is fuller than my portfolio these days. Maybe my bin=20
> is trying to tell me something...

... That you do a lot of refactoring of legacy software?

I have the Smalltalk view of the world: it's been a really productive
day if the lines of code in the app has *de*creased.

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] test plan and release for 2.8

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

I need an account on the wiki. Username bmb6agb.

Aggie

-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
Sean Mehan
Sent: 07 June 2006 16:50
To: bod...@li...
Subject: [Bodington-developers] test plan and release for 2.8

Right, Colin, you [ch,d]ancer!-)

I have edited the 2.8 release with some other sections.

Will EVERYONE with any changes going into HEAD go to this list and
add/edit the text against what they know. There is also some additional
comments in there that can be deleted when actioned!-)
There should be a more solid description of what the change does included
in this list!!!

I thought that we accepted that the test plan would be that everyone would
try to identify someone who would test AT LEAST THE ITEMS IN THE WIKI
LIST. We will get people to go through this list at UHI. Surely other
sites can do the same. John Smith, for example, in our bod head, just went
through the resource list and tested each one in turn. Simple enough, but
the reason why we need accurate descriptions on what is there!!!!

This should be done so that testing can be started on Monday!!!

best
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[Bodington-developers] test plan and release for 2.8

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

Right, Colin, you [ch,d]ancer!-)

I have edited the 2.8 release with some other sections.

Will EVERYONE with any changes going into HEAD go to this list and
add/edit the text against what they know. There is also some additional
comments in there that can be deleted when actioned!-)
There should be a more solid description of what the change does included
in this list!!!

I thought that we accepted that the test plan would be that everyone woul=
d
try to identify someone who would test AT LEAST THE ITEMS IN THE WIKI
LIST. We will get people to go through this list at UHI. Surely other
sites can do the same. John Smith, for example, in our bod head, just wen=
t
through the resource list and tested each one in turn. Simple enough, but
the reason why we need accurate descriptions on what is there!!!!

This should be done so that testing can be started on Monday!!!

best
s

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

Wild camping on the tops?  Is this something from a Carry On film?

aggie

-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
Alistair Young
Sent: 07 June 2006 14:35
To: Bodington developers
Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp +
guard)

yes I'd like to camp but I thought Albion's plain was awash with stick
wielding landowners - or has CROW changed all that? I prefer wild camping
on the tops.

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp+guard)

[Naomi M. <na...@sm...>]

On 7 Jun 2006, at 14:37, Alistair Young wrote:

>> carry-out!
> please - KErry-OOt :)

Exactly!  In nuanced Glesga patter, the former would most probably =20
refer to food (if ever used) and the latter to bevvy (used a lot).

>
> --=20
> Alistair Young
> Senior Software Engineer
> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
> Isle of Skye
> Scotland
>
>> semantic conflict dry <-> hydrated.
>>
>> also, where is the keep me happy concept! Your list doesn't allow =20
>> for the
>> carry-out!
>> s
>>
>>
>> <quote who=3D"Matthew Buckett">
>>> Peter Crowther wrote:
>>>>> From: Sean Mehan
>>>>> wasn't that around the time there were those reports of
>>>>> strange activities
>>>>> being observed in camping sites around the area?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  Something about a bloke *with a laptop*...
>>>>
>>>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=3D20060509&mode=3Dclassic =20=

>>>> et seq
>>>>
>>>
>>> When walking I have this mentality that unless it keeps me dry, =20
>>> warm,
>>> hydrated, nourished I ain't going to carry it. Having said that...
>>>
>>> --
>>>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>>>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing =20
>>> Services
>>>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> Learning and Information Services
>> UHI
>>
>>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Alistair Young wrote:
> yes I'd like to camp but I thought Albion's plain was awash with stick
> wielding landowners - or has CROW changed all that? I prefer wild camping
> on the tops.

We did camp sites so couldn't tell.

-- 
  -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
  -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
  -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp+guard)

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

> carry-out!
please - KErry-OOt :)

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Alistair Young
Senior Software Engineer
UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
Isle of Skye
Scotland

> semantic conflict dry <-> hydrated.
>
> also, where is the keep me happy concept! Your list doesn't allow for t=
he
> carry-out!
> s
>
>
> <quote who=3D"Matthew Buckett">
>> Peter Crowther wrote:
>>>> From: Sean Mehan
>>>> wasn't that around the time there were those reports of
>>>> strange activities
>>>> being observed in camping sites around the area?
>>>
>>> Yeah.  Something about a bloke *with a laptop*...
>>>
>>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=3D20060509&mode=3Dclassic et=
 seq
>>>
>>
>> When walking I have this mentality that unless it keeps me dry, warm,
>> hydrated, nourished I ain't going to carry it. Having said that...
>>
>> --
>>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
>>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
>>
>>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

yes I'd like to camp but I thought Albion's plain was awash with stick
wielding landowners - or has CROW changed all that? I prefer wild camping
on the tops.

--=20
Alistair Young
Senior Software Engineer
UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
Isle of Skye
Scotland

> Alistair Young wrote:
>>> Is it
>>> worth asking OSSWatch for advice?
>> prolly - any chance you could nip down the corridor Adam? That reminds
>> me,
>> I haven't been to Ox in ages... How's the Ridgeway these days? Last ti=
me
>> I
>> tried it, the B&Bs were all full!
>
> B&Bs? Don't you trust the weather enough to camp it? Anna and I did
> Avesbury to Didcot (not on path) in 4 days camping each night. I think
> that was in August 2004.
>
> --
>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] spring + i12n

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

sounds good Matthew. Will chew over the namespaces.

Of course, my lovely i18n system will go in the bin! as we'll use fmt:
(jstl?) but that's open source for you.

My bin is fuller than my portfolio these days. Maybe my bin is trying to
tell me something...

--=20
Alistair Young
Senior Software Engineer
UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
Isle of Skye
Scotland

> Alistair Young wrote:
>> Matthew, what's your feeling on this? Should we keep the template
>> resources separate and have mutltiple MessageSources in the config fil=
e
>> or, as we migrate each template to JSP, migrate it's strings to a glob=
al
>> bod MessageSource file?
>
> If anyone hasn't looked at the spring stuff I just have one
> messagesource at the moment that is used for both JSP and Java i18n.
>
> I think having a global message source is good as some strings will sho=
w
> up in more than one page/class.
>
> I think having one per JSP/class leads to too many files, maybe one per
> resource type (one for questionnaire, one for mcq).
>
> Important thing is how we divide up the namespace for the key values.
> Should we prefix all keys with the resource type and use default for th=
e
> global ones?
>
>> Global file would be easier to send to a translator and would keep the
>> config file clean.
>
> If we keep the namespace clean it should be easy to join/split i18n
> files for sending to people.
>
> --
>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp +guard)

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

semantic conflict dry <-> hydrated.

also, where is the keep me happy concept! Your list doesn't allow for the
carry-out!
s


<quote who=3D"Matthew Buckett">
> Peter Crowther wrote:
>>> From: Sean Mehan
>>> wasn't that around the time there were those reports of
>>> strange activities
>>> being observed in camping sites around the area?
>>
>> Yeah.  Something about a bloke *with a laptop*...
>>
>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=3D20060509&mode=3Dclassic et =
seq
>>
>
> When walking I have this mentality that unless it keeps me dry, warm,
> hydrated, nourished I ain't going to carry it. Having said that...
>
> --
>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
>
>
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Head of e-Frameworks
Learning and Information Services
UHI

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Peter Crowther wrote:
>> From: Sean Mehan
>> wasn't that around the time there were those reports of 
>> strange activities
>> being observed in camping sites around the area?
> 
> Yeah.  Something about a bloke *with a laptop*...
> 
> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060509&mode=classic et seq
> 

When walking I have this mentality that unless it keeps me dry, warm, 
hydrated, nourished I ain't going to carry it. Having said that...

-- 
  -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
  -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
  -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Sean Mehan
> wasn't that around the time there were those reports of=20
> strange activities
> being observed in camping sites around the area?

Yeah.  Something about a bloke *with a laptop*...

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=3D20060509&mode=3Dclassic et =
seq

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

wasn't that around the time there were those reports of strange activitie=
s
being observed in camping sites around the area?

s


<quote who=3D"Matthew Buckett">
> Alistair Young wrote:
>>> Is it
>>> worth asking OSSWatch for advice?
>> prolly - any chance you could nip down the corridor Adam? That reminds
>> me,
>> I haven't been to Ox in ages... How's the Ridgeway these days? Last ti=
me
>> I
>> tried it, the B&Bs were all full!
>
> B&Bs? Don't you trust the weather enough to camp it? Anna and I did
> Avesbury to Didcot (not on path) in 4 days camping each night. I think
> that was in August 2004.
>
> --
>   -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
>   -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
>   -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bodington-developers mailing list
> Bod...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
>


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Head of e-Frameworks
Learning and Information Services
UHI

[Bodington-developers] Walking the Ridgeway (was Re: bod sp + guard)

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Alistair Young wrote:
>> Is it
>> worth asking OSSWatch for advice?
> prolly - any chance you could nip down the corridor Adam? That reminds me,
> I haven't been to Ox in ages... How's the Ridgeway these days? Last time I
> tried it, the B&Bs were all full!

B&Bs? Don't you trust the weather enough to camp it? Anna and I did 
Avesbury to Didcot (not on path) in 4 days camping each night. I think 
that was in August 2004.

-- 
  -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer
  -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services
  -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/

Re: [Bodington-developers] bod sp + guard

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

> Is it
> worth asking OSSWatch for advice?
prolly - any chance you could nip down the corridor Adam? That reminds me=
,
I haven't been to Ox in ages... How's the Ridgeway these days? Last time =
I
tried it, the B&Bs were all full!

--=20
Alistair Young
Senior Software Engineer
UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig
Isle of Skye
Scotland

> It strikes me that there is a massive 'market' out there for GuanXi - o=
ur
> problem is getting people to realise this fact!
>
> It's the familiar case of 'something crap from a large organisation' is
> considered superior to 'something good for a small organisation'. And h=
ow
> you get around this without a large market budget is the tricky bit. Is=
 it
> worth asking OSSWatch for advice?
>
> adam
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: bod...@li...
> | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf=
 Of
> | Selwyn Lloyd
> | Sent: 07 June 2006 12:28
> | To: ali...@sm...; Bodington developers
> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] bod sp + guard
> |
> | afaik I2 are not even supporting the standard java SP... that was the
> | jist of last advisory we read
> | i think they have done some work on making the C code easier to compi=
le
> | on things other than windows, but i don't want to go there again :(
> |
> | Alistair Young wrote:
> |
> | >Just curious. I keep hearing mention of I2 Guard. AFAIK there is no =
I2
> | >Guard. Guard is a Guanxi entity that doesn't have a parallel in the =
I2
> | >implementation.
> | >
> | >Has anyone seen anything to the contrary? Do I2 have a distributed J=
ava
> | SP
> | >now?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
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Re: [Bodington-developers] spring

[Ian B. <ia...@ca...>]

Alexis O'Connor wrote:
> Ian Boston wrote:
>> First off, don't use JSF.
>> Unless you are prepared to buy everyone a top end IDE plugin (or 
>> complete IDE) from BEA, IBM, Sun, Oracle or one of the other JSF-JCP 
>> members.
> 
> Java Studio Creator (from Sun) is free these days. Is it a pile of cr#p?
> 

I dont know about JSC today, Some of the products are excellent, but may 
cost, and can bind you to some non open source support libs (Oracles 
JDeveloper did at one point)
JCS.
I tried it once, a long time ago, and found it nothing like as good as 
Eclipse, I a vague memory it worked better with Suns own Web Containers, 
although it did support Tomcat, and there were some Sun jars lurking 
about that made life easier.
I've also tried the MyEclipse a while back, I know some in Sakai use this.
All of these help make life easier, but when you throw session state, 
lack of control over URL's, and complex lifecycle into the pot it all 
gets to complicated.

Dont get me wrong, the aims of JSF (a componentized UI etc etc) are spot 
on, its just the implementation that gets in the way.

Ian

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Re: [Bodington-developers] bod sp + guard

[Adam M. <ada...@co...>]

It strikes me that there is a massive 'market' out there for GuanXi - our
problem is getting people to realise this fact! 

It's the familiar case of 'something crap from a large organisation' is
considered superior to 'something good for a small organisation'. And how
you get around this without a large market budget is the tricky bit. Is it
worth asking OSSWatch for advice?

adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Selwyn Lloyd
| Sent: 07 June 2006 12:28
| To: ali...@sm...; Bodington developers
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] bod sp + guard
| 
| afaik I2 are not even supporting the standard java SP... that was the
| jist of last advisory we read
| i think they have done some work on making the C code easier to compile
| on things other than windows, but i don't want to go there again :(
| 
| Alistair Young wrote:
| 
| >Just curious. I keep hearing mention of I2 Guard. AFAIK there is no I2
| >Guard. Guard is a Guanxi entity that doesn't have a parallel in the I2
| >implementation.
| >
| >Has anyone seen anything to the contrary? Do I2 have a distributed Java
| SP
| >now?
| >
| >
| >
| 
| --
| Selwyn Lloyd
| Phosphorix
| tel: 07979240124
| irc://irc.ionode.org
| channel: #ionode
| web: http://www.phosphorix.co.uk
| forum: http://forum.ionetwork.ac.uk
| 
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