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Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Peter Crowther wrote:
>> From: Alistair Young
>> AOL famously use dynamic IP addresses.
> 
> It's worse than that (it's undead, Jim).
> 
> AOL famously uses a dirty great cluster of proxies, that are known to
> ignore No-cache headers and where different IP addresses can be used to
> fetch different elements of the same page - if the page has a couple of
> image links, those could be fetched from a different address.  The next
> page fetch could come from somewhere else too.  Basically, anything that
> relies on a single IP address, or the IP address staying constant
> through a session, or on no caching, may fail on AOL.

I recently spotted a problem whereby old style templates weren't being
served up with no-cache headers (new style templates were fine). I have
the fix in WebLearn and it went live earlier this week but havn't pushed
it into Bodington HEAD.

The failure to set this header caused some problems with Opera which
would display old cached pages. It may also cause problems with the AOL
proxy servers?

-- 
 Matthew Buckett

Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

> I don't think so as the only thing I think we use the
> session.getRemoteHost for is usage monitoring.
any idea why the cookie would be blocked most of the time and get through
other times? Just out of interest. It looks like the usual AOL problem
though.

Alistair


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> Alistair Young wrote:
>> looking at the mvnforum code:
>>
>> if (action.getRemoteAddr().equals(request.getRemoteAddr()) == false) {
>>                 request.getRequestDispatcher("/mvnplugin/mvnforum/invalidsession.html").forward(request,
>> response);
>>                 return;
>>             }
>>
>> points to AOL being the problem. The IP address has changed since the
>> last
>> request.
>
> This is perfectly legal todo and it's not just AOL who do it although
> they are one of the biggest. The reason for it is that they have a farm
> of proxy servers for all web traffic and it seems that users sessions
> can move between them (load balancing / fault tolerance). When the user
> switches proxys the IP changes, the users have no control over which
> proxy gets used for any request.
>
> The reason for having IP checking is to help prevent session hijacking
> by stealing a users cookie.
>
>>
>> Would bod be affected too?
>
> I don't think so as the only thing I think we use the
> session.getRemoteHost for is usage monitoring.
>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Alistair Young wrote:
> looking at the mvnforum code:
> 
> if (action.getRemoteAddr().equals(request.getRemoteAddr()) == false) {
>                 request.getRequestDispatcher("/mvnplugin/mvnforum/invalidsession.html").forward(request,
> response);
>                 return;
>             }
> 
> points to AOL being the problem. The IP address has changed since the last
> request.

This is perfectly legal todo and it's not just AOL who do it although
they are one of the biggest. The reason for it is that they have a farm
of proxy servers for all web traffic and it seems that users sessions
can move between them (load balancing / fault tolerance). When the user
switches proxys the IP changes, the users have no control over which
proxy gets used for any request.

The reason for having IP checking is to help prevent session hijacking
by stealing a users cookie.

> 
> Would bod be affected too?

I don't think so as the only thing I think we use the
session.getRemoteHost for is usage monitoring.

-- 
 Matthew Buckett

Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

> anything that
> relies on a single IP address, or the IP address staying constant
> through a session
so bod would be affected. Interesting thing is it works on IE but not
Firefox or AOL's own browser. Or perhaps it's just chance it works on IE
and will fail eventually.

Alistair


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>> From: Alistair Young
>> AOL famously use dynamic IP addresses.
>
> It's worse than that (it's undead, Jim).
>
> AOL famously uses a dirty great cluster of proxies, that are known to
> ignore No-cache headers and where different IP addresses can be used to
> fetch different elements of the same page - if the page has a couple of
> image links, those could be fetched from a different address.  The next
> page fetch could come from somewhere else too.  Basically, anything that
> relies on a single IP address, or the IP address staying constant
> through a session, or on no caching, may fail on AOL.
>
> 		- Peter
>
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Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Alistair Young
> AOL famously use dynamic IP addresses.

It's worse than that (it's undead, Jim).

AOL famously uses a dirty great cluster of proxies, that are known to
ignore No-cache headers and where different IP addresses can be used to
fetch different elements of the same page - if the page has a couple of
image links, those could be fetched from a different address.  The next
page fetch could come from somewhere else too.  Basically, anything that
relies on a single IP address, or the IP address staying constant
through a session, or on no caching, may fail on AOL.

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

looking at the mvnforum code:

if (action.getRemoteAddr().equals(request.getRemoteAddr()) == false) {
                request.getRequestDispatcher("/mvnplugin/mvnforum/invalidsession.html").forward(request,
response);
                return;
            }

points to AOL being the problem. The IP address has changed since the last
request.

Would bod be affected too?

Alistair

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mov eax,1
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int 80h

> I haven't heard of any problems with Bodington and AOL until today. We
> have a user who keeps getting the error:
>
> "Could not find Cookie"
>
> when they try to login to bod. Intermittently it will work. It's not a bod
> problem as they also get "Invalid Session" when logging in to mvnForum
> from bod.
>
> The user has 3 browsers, mozilla, AOL and IE.
> Only IE works with the other 2 displaying cookie problems.
>
> AOL famously use dynamic IP addresses. Could this cause a problem with bod
> sessions?
>
> thanks,
>
> Alistair
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
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[Bodington-developers] Bodington and AOL

[Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...>]

I haven't heard of any problems with Bodington and AOL until today. We
have a user who keeps getting the error:

"Could not find Cookie"

when they try to login to bod. Intermittently it will work. It's not a bod
problem as they also get "Invalid Session" when logging in to mvnForum
from bod.

The user has 3 browsers, mozilla, AOL and IE.
Only IE works with the other 2 displaying cookie problems.

AOL famously use dynamic IP addresses. Could this cause a problem with bod
sessions?

thanks,

Alistair


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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Paul D. <pau...@ou...>]

Student work in general is a re-hash of other's - they have to abide by the
rules, and Turnitin is ctually pretty good at spotting just a few changes.

In order to get around the system the student needs to reqword his offending
piece - which is what they should have done in the first place!

Paul


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% From: bod...@li...
% [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
% Adam Marshall
% Sent: 09 February 2007 14:42
% To: a.g...@le...; 'Bodington developers'
% Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
% 
% This use case was mentioned on Wednesday, .., and I thought much the same
% thing: that students would use it to make sure their plagerised messages
% pass plagerism detection. Its like when the British got hold of an Enigma
% machine!
% 
% Adam
% 
% | -----Original Message-----
% | From: bod...@li...
% | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
% | Andrew Booth
% | Sent: 09 February 2007 12:08
% | To: 'Bodington developers'
% | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
% |
% | That's fine if you want students to submit their own work and receive
% | their
% | own reports.  Our experience is that students use this to tune their
% work
% | to
% | defeat Turnitin. Not what we are trying to do, so we use Bodington to
% | gather
% | the work and then an administrator sends off the zip file.  When the
% | results
% | return (can take a couple of days, so I wouldn't wait for a web service
% | reply), the administrator alerts the module manager, who then looks at
% the
% | reports.
% |
% | ___________________________________________________
% |
% | Andrew G Booth
% | Professor of Online Learning
% | Institute of Life Sciences Education
% | Faculty of Biological Sciences
% | Garstang Building
% | University of Leeds
% | Leeds LS2 9JT
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% | Tel: +44-113-343-3142
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% |
% | -----Original Message-----
% | From: bod...@li...
% | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
% | Matthew Buckett
% | Sent: 09 February 2007 11:14
% | To: Bodington developers
% | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
% |
% | Adam Marshall wrote:
% | > WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's
% | powerlink.
% |
% | I believe PowerLinks is very similar to IMS TI which allows a user
% | authenticated in one WebApp to use another one and have some sort of
% | result passed back.
% |
% | --
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Adam M. <ada...@ou...>]

This use case was mentioned on Wednesday, .., and I thought much the same
thing: that students would use it to make sure their plagerised messages
pass plagerism detection. Its like when the British got hold of an Enigma
machine!

Adam 

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Andrew Booth
| Sent: 09 February 2007 12:08
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| That's fine if you want students to submit their own work and receive
| their
| own reports.  Our experience is that students use this to tune their work
| to
| defeat Turnitin. Not what we are trying to do, so we use Bodington to
| gather
| the work and then an administrator sends off the zip file.  When the
| results
| return (can take a couple of days, so I wouldn't wait for a web service
| reply), the administrator alerts the module manager, who then looks at the
| reports.
| 
| ___________________________________________________
| 
| Andrew G Booth
| Professor of Online Learning
| Institute of Life Sciences Education
| Faculty of Biological Sciences
| Garstang Building
| University of Leeds
| Leeds LS2 9JT
| U.K.
| Tel: +44-113-343-3142
| ___________________________________________________
| 
| No Education Patents
| Boycott Blackboard
| http://www.noedupatents.org/
| ___________________________________________________
| 
| 
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Matthew Buckett
| Sent: 09 February 2007 11:14
| To: Bodington developers
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| Adam Marshall wrote:
| > WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's
| powerlink.
| 
| I believe PowerLinks is very similar to IMS TI which allows a user
| authenticated in one WebApp to use another one and have some sort of
| result passed back.
| 
| --
|  Matthew Buckett
| 
| 
| -------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
| Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
| easier.
| Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

That's fine if you want students to submit their own work and receive =
their
own reports.  Our experience is that students use this to tune their =
work to
defeat Turnitin. Not what we are trying to do, so we use Bodington to =
gather
the work and then an administrator sends off the zip file.  When the =
results
return (can take a couple of days, so I wouldn't wait for a web service
reply), the administrator alerts the module manager, who then looks at =
the
reports.

___________________________________________________

Andrew G Booth
Professor of Online Learning
Institute of Life Sciences Education
Faculty of Biological Sciences
Garstang Building
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
U.K.
Tel: +44-113-343-3142
___________________________________________________

No Education Patents
Boycott Blackboard
http://www.noedupatents.org/
___________________________________________________



-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
Matthew Buckett
Sent: 09 February 2007 11:14
To: Bodington developers
Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

Adam Marshall wrote:
> WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's =
powerlink.=20

I believe PowerLinks is very similar to IMS TI which allows a user
authenticated in one WebApp to use another one and have some sort of
result passed back.

--=20
 Matthew Buckett

Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Matthew B. <mat...@ou...>]

Adam Marshall wrote:
> WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's powerlink. 

I believe PowerLinks is very similar to IMS TI which allows a user
authenticated in one WebApp to use another one and have some sort of
result passed back.

-- 
 Matthew Buckett

Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Paul D. <pau...@ou...>]

% 
% 
% WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's powerlink.
% 
% Do we know what this means? Or is the US turnitin a whole different kettle
% of ball-park to the UK one?


US and Turnitin UK are the same thing - all our stuff goes over the water 
Paul

Re: [Bodington-developers] [Tetraelf-developers] xml foods

[Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...>]

if you register on

http://dev.phosphorix.net/phos-shed/

you will be able to

1. create a journal [blog]
2. grant unique access to that journal [blog]
3. track access to that blog via the grant access page

what we haven't done is the Delta because we never thought of it at the 
time...

the grant access piece was for allowing non registered users to access 
say your cv or e-portfolio

ps. I'm on the verge of sending out an email about the GCWS stuff just a 
couple of last things to get in place.

Selwyn Lloyd wrote:

> well i think the use case for many clients are
>
> getFeed(complete)
> getFeed(delta) [diffs]
>
> and
>
> cacheFeed(complete)
> cacheFeed(diffs)
> cacheFeed(false)
>
> my concern was you have to read the entire feed to establish the delta 
> changes, which is less than efficient
>
> so YES your correct, the idea was that we do need something like...
>
> 1. a relationship is established between client and server e.g an 
> accessid tied to either a direct login or a login proxy
> 2. the server establishes the client connecting when the accessid is 
> included in the http header [likely POST]
> ---> insert your http[s] read up to pointer [where accessid=]
> 3. the server provides the new stuff and only the new stuff unless you 
> reset the [proxy / intelligent cache thingy me bob]
>
> i'm fairly confident this would be more efficient when serving large 
> amounts and would surely use less bandwidth and i just wondered
> if rss / atom were already on to the case
>
> I think the use cases are very close to messaging or publish / 
> subscribe but these things are probably less attractive than rss/atom.
>
> Thinking this through from our own perspective is one thing,
> but I also think we would see demand from specialist information 
> providers
> for
> a. feeds for serving up rss/atom in the most efficient way possible
> and
> b. forcing clients to register for feeds
>
> or maybe I'm just mad :)
>
> Jem Taylor wrote:
>
>> If the page location were
>>
>> http(s)://server/feedstuffpage?mypermanentidentifier
>>
>> then you could hold my 'read up to' pointer in a server-side database 
>> without needing to know the client - the client has to store and 
>> proffer the PUID regardless of the channel used to communicate.
>>
>> using a cookie to hold the read-up-to pointer gives the same result 
>> without needing a PUID anywhere on the server
>>
>> presumably I'm missing something obvious but it seems to me that the 
>> server would have to calculate the content on the fly whatever 
>> happens; the question is, should several clients sharing the 
>> knowledge of the PUID be able to read the same content, or should 
>> they get interleaved slices?
>>
>> Real World example: If the PUID is my name, and I check every day 
>> from different internet cafes as I tour south America, do I get the 
>> whole lot each time, or just the latest bit?
>>
>>
>> -Jem (wondering why he reads this list if he never says anything on it)
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [Bodington-developers] [Tetraelf-developers] xml foods

[Selwyn L. <sel...@ph...>]

well i think the use case for many clients are

getFeed(complete)
getFeed(delta) [diffs]

and

cacheFeed(complete)
cacheFeed(diffs)
cacheFeed(false)

my concern was you have to read the entire feed to establish the delta 
changes, which is less than efficient

so YES your correct, the idea was that we do need something like...

1. a relationship is established between client and server e.g an 
accessid tied to either a direct login or a login proxy
2. the server establishes the client connecting when the accessid is 
included in the http header [likely POST]
---> insert your http[s] read up to pointer [where accessid=]
3. the server provides the new stuff and only the new stuff unless you 
reset the [proxy / intelligent cache thingy me bob]

i'm fairly confident this would be more efficient when serving large 
amounts and would surely use less bandwidth and i just wondered
if rss / atom were already on to the case

I think the use cases are very close to messaging or publish / subscribe 
but these things are probably less attractive than rss/atom.

Thinking this through from our own perspective is one thing,
but I also think we would see demand from specialist information providers
for
a. feeds for serving up rss/atom in the most efficient way possible
and
b. forcing clients to register for feeds

or maybe I'm just mad :)

Jem Taylor wrote:

>If the page location were
>
>http(s)://server/feedstuffpage?mypermanentidentifier
>
>then you could hold my 'read up to' pointer in a server-side database without needing to know the client - the client has to store and proffer the PUID regardless of the channel used to communicate.
>
>using a cookie to hold the read-up-to pointer gives the same result without needing a PUID anywhere on the server
>
>presumably I'm missing something obvious but it seems to me that the server would have to calculate the content on the fly whatever happens; the question is, should several clients sharing the knowledge of the PUID be able to read the same content, or should they get interleaved slices?
>
>Real World example: If the PUID is my name, and I check every day from different internet cafes as I tour south America, do I get the whole lot each time, or just the latest bit?
>
>
>-Jem (wondering why he reads this list if he never says anything on it)
>
>  
>

-- 
Selwyn Lloyd
Phosphorix 
Open Source Systems for Lifelong Learning
skype: selwyn_lloyd
tel: 07979240124
irc://irc.ionode.org
support channel: #ionode
support email: de...@ph...
web: http://www.phosphorix.co.uk 
forum: http://forum.ionetwork.ac.uk


Phosphorix Limited
Date of Company Registration 15th March 2001
Company Registration Number 4180295
VAT number: 768 9766 42 
Registered Address: REDBRICK HOUSE, SAINT AUGUSTINES YARD, BRISTOL, AVON, BS1 5DS
Offices: Seolea Cottage, Tedburn Road, EXETER EX4 2HD

Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

any chance of getting the howto, however brief, up on bod.org?



On 7 Feb 2007, at 15:00, Andrew Booth wrote:

> We tell the students to upload their work to a pigeonhole.  They  
> have to
> remove any graphics.
>
> The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and exported  
> in zip
> file.
> This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.
>
> The zip file is then uploaded to www.submit.ac.uk, the JISC  
> Turnitin site.
>
> For each student you get an 'originality report' with the  
> plagiarised stuff
> marked up in colour and an indication of where it was plagiarised  
> from.
>
> We have standard procedures to decide whether a case is worth  
> pursuing, and
> what happens next.
>
> Aggie
>
> ____________________________________________
> Andrew G Booth
> Professor of Online Learning
> Institute of Life Sciences Education
> Faculty of Biological Sciences
> Garstang Building
> University of Leeds
> Leeds LS2 9JT
> U.K.
> Tel: +44-113-343-3142
> ____________________________________________
>
> No Education Patents
> Boycott Blackboard
> http://www.noedupatents.org/
> ____________________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bod...@li...
> [mailto:bod...@li...] On  
> Behalf Of
> Adam Marshall
> Sent: 07 February 2007 14:04
> To: 'Bodington developers'
> Subject: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
>
> Aggie (mainly)
>
> What integration did you do with the plagiarism detection service  
> Turn It
> In? Oxford is now interested.
>
> Adam
>
> -- 
> Adam Marshall - OUCS
>
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>
>
>
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> security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier.
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache  
> Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Adam Marshall
> We can corner him
> in the toilets and turn the screws until he gives us the details!

... riiight.  I'm not sure I like the image this conjures...

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Adam M. <ada...@ou...>]

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Andrew Booth
| Sent: 07 February 2007 16:48
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Cc: Andrew Booth
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| There is supposed to be a Turnitin web service, but I've never been able
| to
| get details of it.  The folks at Northumbria Learning seem to have done
| some
| work in this area with JISC e-Framework funding.  I'll see if I can have a
| word with them.
| 

Excellent Aggie. 

If you fail to get useful information then Mr 'Turn It In' Himself will be
speaking at our 'Beyond the Search Engine' event (below). We can corner him
in the toilets and turn the screws until he gives us the details!

Adam

-- 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Adam M. <ada...@ou...>]

Thanks P.

Adam

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| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Peter Crowther
| Sent: 07 February 2007 15:24
| To: Bodington developers
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| > From: Andrew Booth
| > The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and
| > exported in zip file.
| > This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.
| 
| This is one of the requests that Leeds made to Melandra.  It's on SF, as
| Aggie says.  While the zip file is constructed automatically, submission
| is still manual as far as I know.
| 
| 		- Peter
| 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

There is supposed to be a Turnitin web service, but I've never been able =
to
get details of it.  The folks at Northumbria Learning seem to have done =
some
work in this area with JISC e-Framework funding.  I'll see if I can have =
a
word with them.

____________________________________________
Andrew G Booth
Professor of Online Learning
Institute of Life Sciences Education
Faculty of Biological Sciences
Garstang Building
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
U.K.
Tel: +44-113-343-3142=20
____________________________________________

No Education Patents
Boycott Blackboard
http://www.noedupatents.org/
____________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
Adam Marshall
Sent: 07 February 2007 15:36
To: 'Bodington developers'
Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in


WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's =
powerlink.=20

Do we know what this means? Or is the US turnitin a whole different =
kettle
of ball-park to the UK one?

In any case I think we'd be interested in the zipping 'button' and any =
other
related functionality. Is it in Bod-HEAD?

adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf =
Of
| Andrew Booth
| Sent: 07 February 2007 15:00
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Cc: Andrew Booth
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
|=20
| We tell the students to upload their work to a pigeonhole.  They have =
to
| remove any graphics.
|=20
| The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and exported in =
zip
| file.
| This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.
|=20
| The zip file is then uploaded to www.submit.ac.uk, the JISC Turnitin =
site.
|=20
| For each student you get an 'originality report' with the plagiarised
| stuff
| marked up in colour and an indication of where it was plagiarised =
from.
|=20
| We have standard procedures to decide whether a case is worth =
pursuing,
| and
| what happens next.
|=20
| Aggie
|=20
| ____________________________________________
| Andrew G Booth
| Professor of Online Learning
| Institute of Life Sciences Education
| Faculty of Biological Sciences
| Garstang Building
| University of Leeds
| Leeds LS2 9JT
| U.K.
| Tel: +44-113-343-3142
| ____________________________________________
|=20
| No Education Patents
| Boycott Blackboard
| http://www.noedupatents.org/
| ____________________________________________
|=20
| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf =
Of
| Adam Marshall
| Sent: 07 February 2007 14:04
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Subject: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
|=20
| Aggie (mainly)
|=20
| What integration did you do with the plagiarism detection service Turn =
It
| In? Oxford is now interested.
|=20
| Adam
|=20
| --
| Adam Marshall - OUCS
|=20
| E-learning Conferences. Book online
| Shock of the Old 6, March 22nd  -
| http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/shock2007/
| Beyond the Search Engine, March 23rd -
| http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/beyond2007/
|=20
|=20
|=20
| =
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121642
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|=20
| =
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Adam M. <ada...@ou...>]

WebCT / Bb claim to be integrated with turn it in. eg, WebCT's powerlink. 

Do we know what this means? Or is the US turnitin a whole different kettle
of ball-park to the UK one?

In any case I think we'd be interested in the zipping 'button' and any other
related functionality. Is it in Bod-HEAD?

adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Andrew Booth
| Sent: 07 February 2007 15:00
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Cc: Andrew Booth
| Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| We tell the students to upload their work to a pigeonhole.  They have to
| remove any graphics.
| 
| The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and exported in zip
| file.
| This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.
| 
| The zip file is then uploaded to www.submit.ac.uk, the JISC Turnitin site.
| 
| For each student you get an 'originality report' with the plagiarised
| stuff
| marked up in colour and an indication of where it was plagiarised from.
| 
| We have standard procedures to decide whether a case is worth pursuing,
| and
| what happens next.
| 
| Aggie
| 
| ____________________________________________
| Andrew G Booth
| Professor of Online Learning
| Institute of Life Sciences Education
| Faculty of Biological Sciences
| Garstang Building
| University of Leeds
| Leeds LS2 9JT
| U.K.
| Tel: +44-113-343-3142
| ____________________________________________
| 
| No Education Patents
| Boycott Blackboard
| http://www.noedupatents.org/
| ____________________________________________
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: bod...@li...
| [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
| Adam Marshall
| Sent: 07 February 2007 14:04
| To: 'Bodington developers'
| Subject: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in
| 
| Aggie (mainly)
| 
| What integration did you do with the plagiarism detection service Turn It
| In? Oxford is now interested.
| 
| Adam
| 
| --
| Adam Marshall - OUCS
| 
| E-learning Conferences. Book online
| Shock of the Old 6, March 22nd  -
| http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/shock2007/
| Beyond the Search Engine, March 23rd -
| http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/beyond2007/
| 
| 
| 
| -------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
| Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
| easier.
| Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
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| _______________________________________________
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| https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers
| 
| 
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Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Peter C. <Pet...@me...>]

> From: Andrew Booth
> The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and=20
> exported in zip file.
> This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.

This is one of the requests that Leeds made to Melandra.  It's on SF, as
Aggie says.  While the zip file is constructed automatically, submission
is still manual as far as I know.

		- Peter

Re: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Andrew B. <a.g...@le...>]

We tell the students to upload their work to a pigeonhole.  They have to
remove any graphics.
 
The files are then renamed to the students' usernames and exported in zip
file.
This is done automatically in Bodington 2.8.

The zip file is then uploaded to www.submit.ac.uk, the JISC Turnitin site.

For each student you get an 'originality report' with the plagiarised stuff
marked up in colour and an indication of where it was plagiarised from.

We have standard procedures to decide whether a case is worth pursuing, and
what happens next.

Aggie

____________________________________________
Andrew G Booth
Professor of Online Learning
Institute of Life Sciences Education
Faculty of Biological Sciences
Garstang Building
University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT
U.K.
Tel: +44-113-343-3142 
____________________________________________

No Education Patents
Boycott Blackboard
http://www.noedupatents.org/
____________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: bod...@li...
[mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
Adam Marshall
Sent: 07 February 2007 14:04
To: 'Bodington developers'
Subject: [Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

Aggie (mainly)

What integration did you do with the plagiarism detection service Turn It
In? Oxford is now interested.

Adam 

-- 
Adam Marshall - OUCS

E-learning Conferences. Book online
Shock of the Old 6, March 22nd  - 
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/shock2007/
Beyond the Search Engine, March 23rd - 
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/beyond2007/ 



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[Bodington-developers] plagerism detection / turn it in

[Adam M. <ada...@ou...>]

Aggie (mainly)

What integration did you do with the plagiarism detection service Turn It
In? Oxford is now interested.

Adam 

-- 
Adam Marshall - OUCS

E-learning Conferences. Book online
Shock of the Old 6, March 22nd  - 
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/shock2007/
Beyond the Search Engine, March 23rd - 
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/events/beyond2007/ 

Re: [Bodington-developers] UHI developments in Bodington / Sakai

[Paul D. <pau...@ou...>]

I think 4 years was rather more than we had envisaged prior to switchover,
so good news for us there.  But maintaining BB and WebCT seems a trifle
silly given they have merged!  Presumably someone thought it would reduce
the transitions, but in fact anyone in WebCT is likely to have to transition
once before moving to Tetra!

Paul
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Marketing coordinator, Bodington.org
Oxford University Computing Services
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E-learning Conference Bookings now open - 
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% -----Original Message-----
% From: bod...@li...
% [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of
% Sean Mehan
% Sent: 05 February 2007 16:56
% To: TetraELF Developers; Bodington developers
% Subject: [Bodington-developers] UHI developments in Bodington / Sakai
% 
% UHI recently convened an academic review panel to consider the Learning
% and Information Services' VLE strategy. That strategy, which reflects the
% Tetra strategy, was that a framework solution was required to provide
% institutional, enterprise services to staff and students across a range of
% domains, all integrated and increasingly using loosely coupled,
% independent components. A key part of that solution involved the present
% provision of Bodington as the VLE and involved a stepwise transition plan
% to Sakai over the next four years. After taking the evidence, the panel
% deliberated and concluded that the UHI strategy of an e-Framework was the
% correct one:
% 
% "Having reviewed the evidence carefully, taken advice from the external
% members, the Panel will report to the Executive Board at its meeting of 15
% February. The Panel recommends that UHI should freeze the development of
% CLAN; investigate the feasibility of a fast track transfer to SAKAI as
% UHI's VLE; and in the meantime the Panel recommends that UHI continue to
% use as its VLE, Blackboard and Web CT.
% 
........

[Bodington-developers] UHI developments in Bodington / Sakai

[Sean M. <se...@sm...>]

UHI recently convened an academic review panel to consider the =20
Learning and Information Services' VLE strategy. That strategy, which =20=

reflects the Tetra strategy, was that a framework solution was =20
required to provide institutional, enterprise services to staff and =20
students across a range of domains, all integrated and increasingly =20
using loosely coupled, independent components. A key part of that =20
solution involved the present provision of Bodington as the VLE and =20
involved a stepwise transition plan to Sakai over the next four =20
years. After taking the evidence, the panel deliberated and concluded =20=

that the UHI strategy of an e-Framework was the correct one:

"Having reviewed the evidence carefully, taken advice from the =20
external members, the Panel will report to the Executive Board at its =20=

meeting of 15 February. The Panel recommends that UHI should freeze =20
the development of CLAN; investigate the feasibility of a fast track =20
transfer to SAKAI as UHI=92s VLE; and in the meantime the Panel =20
recommends that UHI continue to use as its VLE, Blackboard and Web CT.
In coming to this decision the Panel wished to record its recognition =20=

of the hard work and commitment of the teaching and support staff who =20=

have developed, tested and used the CLAN system. The Panel believes =20
that the experience gained will provide valuable support for the =20
transition to SAKAI. The Panel believes that the community of =20
universities which are developing SAKAI, including MIT, gives =20
confidence in this route for UHI as does the fact that this route is =20
currently under exploration at the University of Edinburgh, one of =20
UHI=92s sponsor universities."

We have an Executive Board on the 14th of this month, after which we =20
will have some better idea of what any practicalities are from this, =20
but UHI are being told to Tetra faster rather than slower. This =20
should free dev resource on our end to facilitate Tetra(ish) =20
developments. Does anyone want to have a conference (tele or vid) to =20
discuss sometime later this week? If so, i'm here anyway.

Best regards,
Sean


Sean Mehan
Head of e-Frameworks
Learning and Information Services
UHI - www.uhi.ac.uk
www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00sm/
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GuanXi - a SAML/Shibboleth IdP, SP and Toolkit - http://=20
guanxi.sourceforge.net/
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Bodington - a Free VLE - http://bodington.sourceforge.net/