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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 22:13:07
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> Some Authenticators would > want to disable the changing of passwords (WebAuth, Shibb SP, etc). got you now! I see what you mean by SP. Presumably a user who gets into a bod that is operating as an SP will have access to such things as user preferences etc. I imagine in a lot of applications, the user preferences will have things like changing their password. Yet again we're shining a light onto a very dark area of web applications accessed through shibboleth. Not only must they provide some programmatic way to create accounts on th= e fly but they'll need to metamorphose based on what the user is - local or shibbed. Have a cake on me ;) Alistair --=20 Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland > Alistair Young wrote: >> IdP/SP don't have anything at all to do with bod passwords. If you're >> using a bod authenticator that authenticates outwith bodington then >> you'll >> have the problem of changing passwords. Whether it's >> ldap/webauth/windows. >> >> To sort it, somehow tie the authenticator to the change password >> functionality, i.e. ldap would disable it entirely. > > I think this is what we are talking about. Some Authenticators would > want to disable the changing of passwords (WebAuth, Shibb SP, etc). > >> Even if you login with a windows username/password (though I don't thi= nk >> you can - bod can't authenticate to windows) you still can't change th= at >> password in bod. > > Yep, so the Windows password authenticator should return false from > isPasswordChangable() and the template should display differently as a > result. > >> If bod becomes part of a larger SSO solution, such as ldap or webauth >> then >> it's password changing functionality should be disabled. >> >> Now we're on the subject I think it's time bod stopped storing passwor= ds >> in plain text. >> > > Indeed. I had a quick look at this a little while ago and I think I hav= e > a patch hanging around somewhere which was a half hack at this. It > wasn't as easy as I had hoped as the API was a bit muddled but I'll try > and dig it out clean it up and send it to the list. > > > -- > +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ > | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | > | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | > +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dcl= ick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: M. B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-06-15 19:38:06
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Alistair Young wrote: > IdP/SP don't have anything at all to do with bod passwords. If you're > using a bod authenticator that authenticates outwith bodington then you'll > have the problem of changing passwords. Whether it's ldap/webauth/windows. > > To sort it, somehow tie the authenticator to the change password > functionality, i.e. ldap would disable it entirely. I think this is what we are talking about. Some Authenticators would want to disable the changing of passwords (WebAuth, Shibb SP, etc). > Even if you login with a windows username/password (though I don't think > you can - bod can't authenticate to windows) you still can't change that > password in bod. Yep, so the Windows password authenticator should return false from isPasswordChangable() and the template should display differently as a result. > If bod becomes part of a larger SSO solution, such as ldap or webauth then > it's password changing functionality should be disabled. > > Now we're on the subject I think it's time bod stopped storing passwords > in plain text. > Indeed. I had a quick look at this a little while ago and I think I have a patch hanging around somewhere which was a half hack at this. It wasn't as easy as I had hoped as the API was a bit muddled but I'll try and dig it out clean it up and send it to the list. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 18:09:26
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IdP/SP don't have anything at all to do with bod passwords. If you're using a bod authenticator that authenticates outwith bodington then you'l= l have the problem of changing passwords. Whether it's ldap/webauth/windows= . To sort it, somehow tie the authenticator to the change password functionality, i.e. ldap would disable it entirely. Even if you login with a windows username/password (though I don't think you can - bod can't authenticate to windows) you still can't change that password in bod. If bod becomes part of a larger SSO solution, such as ldap or webauth the= n it's password changing functionality should be disabled. Now we're on the subject I think it's time bod stopped storing passwords in plain text. Alistair --=20 Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland > Alistair Young wrote: >>> But with shibb >> >> Let's forget shibb exsts for the moment. The IdP is a hoax! it has >> nothing to do with bodington! If you have a standard bodington, with = a >> standard authenticator then you can change your password in bodington >> no matter what Guanxi does with your attributes - Guanxi doesn't >> authenticate you - bodington does. >> >> You only need to worry about the "change password" functionality if >> you're not using the standard bodington authenticator, i.e. you're >> using the ldap or webauth one. You can do this without every having >> heard of shibb. >> >> IdP/SSO have nothing to do with bodington authentication! > > I think the problem is because some people are talking about Bodington > being an SP and some people are talking about Bodington being an IdP. > > IdP doesn't need anything to do with changing password. > SP does need to know about password changing. > > -- > +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ > | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | > | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | > +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dcl= ick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Antony C. <an...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 17:55:39
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Dr Sean Mehan, despite suffering random attacks from local waiters, bar staff and swimming pool attendants, earlier today filed several interesting reports that give further insight in to developments in the VLE world. You can read this here http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00sm/ |
From: John N. <jo...@ca...> - 2005-06-15 17:49:30
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OK. We'll plan to come over on Monday afternoon. If Paul works some = magic and there is space, let us know and we may aim to get there earlier and catch some of the sessions. I assume that if we start at 3:30/4pm then = we could adjourn to some suitable hostelry if the meeting runs on..? John > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li...=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > Behalf Of Adam Marshall > Sent: 15 June 2005 18:17 > To: bod...@li... > Cc: 'Ian Boston' > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai >=20 > I'd be inclined to say we'll have an informal chat after the=20 > buzz and then a more formal affair with Ian & Rob (x2) and=20 > Aggie (Leeds) and maybe somebody from Manchester at a later date. >=20 > adam >=20 > -- > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20 >=20 > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li...=20 > | [mailto:bodington- dev...@li...]=20 > On Behalf=20 > | Of John Norman > | Sent: 15 June 2005 17:20 > | To: bod...@li... > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > |=20 > | Well the good news is that my important visitor on the 4th has just=20 > | cancelled (I can guess what you're thinking, but it's true). If we=20 > | came to Bodington Buzz on the 4th, which would be=20 > interesting in it's=20 > | own right, what time might be available to discuss the=20 > Sakai/Bodington=20 > | agenda? Shall we ask Ian Dolphin and other Sakai (UK)=20 > people like Rob=20 > | Crouchley and Rob Allen, to come along? > |=20 > | John > |=20 > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: bod...@li... > | > [mailto:bod...@li...]=20 > On Behalf=20 > | > Of Sean Mehan > | > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:36 > | > To: bod...@li... > | > Cc: bod...@li...; 'Ian Boston' > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > | > > | > no one from UHI!-< > | > > | > s > | > > | > > | > <quote who=3D"Adam Marshall"> > | > > Not from the Oxford VLE team. > | > > > | > > adam > | > > > | > > -- > | > > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | > > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > | > > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | > > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | > > > | > > | -----Original Message----- > | > > | From: bod...@li... > | > > [mailto:bodington- > | > > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of > | > > jo...@ca... > | > > | Sent: 14 June 2005 19:31 > | > > | To: bod...@li... > | > > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > | > > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > | > > | > | > > | July 4 is a really bad date for me. Is anyone=20 > planning to attend > | > > Alt-i-Lab > | > > | in > | > > | Sheffield? > | > > | > | > > | John > | > > | > | > > | Quoting Adam Marshall > | > <ada...@co...>: > | > > | > | > > | > Our next meeting is likely to be in Leeds in July.=20 > To me that=20 > | > > | > sounds inconvenient to get to from Cambs so if you want to=20 > | > > | > come here and have > | > > a > | > > | > chat instead??? > | > > | > > | > > | > Are you coming to our next Bodington Buzz on July 4th? > | > Sean from > | > > | > UHI > | > > | will be > | > > | > here and it may be a good time to spend an hour having > | > an informal > | > > chat. > | > > | > Unfortunately Aggie will be on a Caribbean beach at > | > that time so > | > > | > will > | > > be > | > > | > really missing out! > | > > | > > | > > | > adam > | > > | > > | > > | > -- > | > > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | > > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE=20 > http://bodington.org > | > > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | > > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | > > | > > | > > | > | -----Original Message----- > | > > | > | From: bod...@li... > | > > | [mailto:bodington- > | > > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of > | > John Norman > | > > | > | Sent: 14 June 2005 18:37 > | > > | > | To: bod...@li... > | > > | > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > | > > | > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > | > > | > | > | > > | > | Maybe we could tag something on to your next > | > developer meeting > | > > | > | to > | > > | compare > | > > | > | notes? An alternative that would involve more delay > | > would be to > | > > | > | try > | > > | and > | > > | > | tie > | > > | > | in with a UK Sakai developer meeting planned for the=20 > | > > | > | September > | > > | timeframe. > | > > | > | If > | > > | > | we waited for that, we could get Chuck Severance (the > | > principal > | > > Sakai > | > > | > | architect). Or we could do both..? > | > > | > | > | > > | > | John > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > | > > | > | > > | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On > | > > | > | > Behalf Of Andrew Booth > | > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 11:20 > | > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > | > > | > | > Cc: Andrew Booth > | > > | > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > John > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > That sounds interesting. How would you suggest=20 > taking the=20 > | > > | > | > scoping exercise forward? > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > Aggie > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > | > > | > | > > | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On > | > > | > | > Behalf Of John Norman > | > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 10:25 > | > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > | > > | > | > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > Dear All > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > I'm just back from the Sakai meeting in Baltimore. > | > While there > | > > | > | > I had the thought that it would be interesting to > | > do a scoping > | > > | > | > exercise on what it would take to get the code > | > bases of Sakai > | > > | > | > and Bodington to converge (or what inter-operation > | > strategies > | > > | > | > may be possible). > | > > | > | > > | > > | > | > Do you think this would be of interest to the > | > Bodington community? > | > > | We > | > > | > | > (Cambridge) could obviously do it from one side, > | > but it seems > | > > | > | > to make sense to have those who understand the code > | > intimately > | > > | > | > in each project compare notes. 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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 17:17:31
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I'd be inclined to say we'll have an informal chat after the buzz and = then a more formal affair with Ian & Rob (x2) and Aggie (Leeds) and maybe = somebody from Manchester at a later date. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20 | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of John Norman | Sent: 15 June 2005 17:20 | To: bod...@li... | Cc: 'Ian Boston' | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai |=20 | Well the good news is that my important visitor on the 4th has just | cancelled (I can guess what you're thinking, but it's true). If we = came to | Bodington Buzz on the 4th, which would be interesting in it's own = right, | what time might be available to discuss the Sakai/Bodington agenda? = Shall | we | ask Ian Dolphin and other Sakai (UK) people like Rob Crouchley and Rob | Allen, to come along? |=20 | John |=20 | > -----Original Message----- | > From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On | > Behalf Of Sean Mehan | > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:36 | > To: bod...@li... | > Cc: bod...@li...; 'Ian Boston' | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai | > | > no one from UHI!-< | > | > s | > | > | > <quote who=3D"Adam Marshall"> | > > Not from the Oxford VLE team. | > > | > > adam | > > | > > -- | > > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | > > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org | > > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | > > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | > > | > > | -----Original Message----- | > > | From: bod...@li... | > > [mailto:bodington- | > > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of | > > jo...@ca... | > > | Sent: 14 June 2005 19:31 | > > | To: bod...@li... | > > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' | > > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai | > > | | > > | July 4 is a really bad date for me. Is anyone planning to attend | > > Alt-i-Lab | > > | in | > > | Sheffield? | > > | | > > | John | > > | | > > | Quoting Adam Marshall | > <ada...@co...>: | > > | | > > | > Our next meeting is likely to be in Leeds in July. To me that | > > | > sounds inconvenient to get to from Cambs so if you want to = come | > > | > here and have | > > a | > > | > chat instead??? | > > | > | > > | > Are you coming to our next Bodington Buzz on July 4th? | > Sean from | > > | > UHI | > > | will be | > > | > here and it may be a good time to spend an hour having | > an informal | > > chat. | > > | > Unfortunately Aggie will be on a Caribbean beach at | > that time so | > > | > will | > > be | > > | > really missing out! | > > | > | > > | > adam | > > | > | > > | > -- | > > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | > > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE = http://bodington.org | > > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | > > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | > > | > | > > | > | -----Original Message----- | > > | > | From: bod...@li... | > > | [mailto:bodington- | > > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of | > John Norman | > > | > | Sent: 14 June 2005 18:37 | > > | > | To: bod...@li... | > > | > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' | > > | > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai | > > | > | | > > | > | Maybe we could tag something on to your next | > developer meeting | > > | > | to | > > | compare | > > | > | notes? An alternative that would involve more delay | > would be to | > > | > | try | > > | and | > > | > | tie | > > | > | in with a UK Sakai developer meeting planned for the = September | > > | timeframe. | > > | > | If | > > | > | we waited for that, we could get Chuck Severance (the | > principal | > > Sakai | > > | > | architect). Or we could do both..? | > > | > | | > > | > | John | > > | > | | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- | > > | > | > From: bod...@li... | > > | > | > | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On | > > | > | > Behalf Of Andrew Booth | > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 11:20 | > > | > | > To: bod...@li... | > > | > | > Cc: Andrew Booth | > > | > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai | > > | > | > | > > | > | > John | > > | > | > | > > | > | > That sounds interesting. How would you suggest taking the | > > | > | > scoping exercise forward? | > > | > | > | > > | > | > Aggie | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- | > > | > | > From: bod...@li... | > > | > | > | > [mailto:bod...@li...] On | > > | > | > Behalf Of John Norman | > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 10:25 | > > | > | > To: bod...@li... | > > | > | > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai | > > | > | > | > > | > | > Dear All | > > | > | > | > > | > | > I'm just back from the Sakai meeting in Baltimore. | > While there | > > | > | > I had the thought that it would be interesting to | > do a scoping | > > | > | > exercise on what it would take to get the code | > bases of Sakai | > > | > | > and Bodington to converge (or what inter-operation | > strategies | > > | > | > may be possible). | > > | > | > | > > | > | > Do you think this would be of interest to the | > Bodington community? | > > | We | > > | > | > (Cambridge) could obviously do it from one side, | > but it seems | > > | > | > to make sense to have those who understand the code | > intimately | > > | > | > in each project compare notes. I imagine that were | > we to agree | > > | > | > that (i) it would be possible and | > > | > | > (ii) it would be desirable, then a project to converge the | > > | > | > code would take around 12-18 months, but that may be a bit | > > | > | > premature right now | > > | > | > | > > | > | > Please let me know what you think. | > > | > | > | > > | > | > John | > > | > | > | > > | > | > PS. This is my individual/Cambridge idea and not an | > official | > > | > | > Sakai Project approach. | > > | > | > | > > | > | > Centre for Applied Research in Educational Technologies | > > | > | > (CARET) University of Cambridge | > > | > | > 16 Mill Lane | > > | > | > Cambridge CB2 1SB | > > | > | > | > > | > | > +44-1223-765367 | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > > | > | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy | > Games. How far | > > | > | > can you shotput a projector? 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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2005-06-15 16:57:27
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The Bodington SP shim only needs to know the username. There is no eduPerson attribute for conveying a password. This isn't a problem, because the shim can rely on the fact that by the time SP allows access, authentication has already happened - it only needs to know who the user is. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett Sent: 15 June 2005 17:35 To: bod...@li... Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - SSO and v2.6 Alistair Young wrote: >> But with shibb > > Let's forget shibb exsts for the moment. The IdP is a hoax! it has > nothing to do with bodington! If you have a standard bodington, with a > standard authenticator then you can change your password in bodington > no matter what Guanxi does with your attributes - Guanxi doesn't > authenticate you - bodington does. > > You only need to worry about the "change password" functionality if > you're not using the standard bodington authenticator, i.e. you're > using the ldap or webauth one. You can do this without every having > heard of shibb. > > IdP/SSO have nothing to do with bodington authentication! I think the problem is because some people are talking about Bodington being an SP and some people are talking about Bodington being an IdP. IdP doesn't need anything to do with changing password. SP does need to know about password changing. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:42:17
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-- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett | Sent: 15 June 2005 17:25 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] messin' wi' Templates | | Adam Marshall wrote: | > You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from | badly | > formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted | attributes | > and the like automatically. | > | > You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like | > | > <html> -> <template><html> | > </html> -> </html></template> | > | > Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise? | | Does it stip out things that don't conform to the DTD though? If so we | might have to hack it to support the idea of the extra html tags allowed | in Bodington templates. HTMLParser builds up a DOM tree from the HTML so you could achieve this. But then again - it may take longer to do this automatically than by hand. But then again it would help people like Eton who have their own templates. But then again Eton wont want their templates i18nalised. But then again ... | | > You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as | > <textarea></textarea> as well. | | The textarea problem was that the template source contained the closing | tag but all XML parsers collapse the opening and closing tags into one | so when it passes through the template compilation it comes out as one. | | The fix was to just ass support to the XmlTemplate compiler so it deals | with a <textarea> tag specially. Indeed. Adam | | -- | +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, | informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to | speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:34:52
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Alistair Young wrote: >> But with shibb > > Let's forget shibb exsts for the moment. The IdP is a hoax! it has > nothing to do with bodington! If you have a standard bodington, with a > standard authenticator then you can change your password in bodington > no matter what Guanxi does with your attributes - Guanxi doesn't > authenticate you - bodington does. > > You only need to worry about the "change password" functionality if > you're not using the standard bodington authenticator, i.e. you're > using the ldap or webauth one. You can do this without every having > heard of shibb. > > IdP/SSO have nothing to do with bodington authentication! I think the problem is because some people are talking about Bodington being an SP and some people are talking about Bodington being an IdP. IdP doesn't need anything to do with changing password. SP does need to know about password changing. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Paul D. <pau...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:31:14
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Well the "good" news is that Buzz is full - we have 50 participants registered for a 48 seater room! Plus presenters. Buzz is due to finish = at 3:30 so it would certainly be possible to arrange something after then, = or would the following day be an option? I'll go and see if some furniture shifting makes it into a larger = capacity - but normally we teach 24 in this space! Paul Paul Davis 01865 283414 -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of = John Norman Sent: 15 June 2005 17:20 To: bod...@li... Cc: 'Ian Boston' Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai Well the good news is that my important visitor on the 4th has just cancelled (I can guess what you're thinking, but it's true). If we came = to Bodington Buzz on the 4th, which would be interesting in it's own right, what time might be available to discuss the Sakai/Bodington agenda? = Shall we ask Ian Dolphin and other Sakai (UK) people like Rob Crouchley and Rob Allen, to come along? John > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li...=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > Behalf Of Sean Mehan > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:36 > To: bod...@li... > Cc: bod...@li...; 'Ian Boston' > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai >=20 > no one from UHI!-< >=20 > s >=20 >=20 > <quote who=3D"Adam Marshall"> > > Not from the Oxford VLE team. > > > > adam > > > > -- > > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: bod...@li... > > [mailto:bodington- > > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of > > jo...@ca... > > | Sent: 14 June 2005 19:31 > > | To: bod...@li... > > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > > | July 4 is a really bad date for me. Is anyone planning to attend > > Alt-i-Lab > > | in > > | Sheffield? > > | > > | John > > | > > | Quoting Adam Marshall=20 > <ada...@co...>: > > | > > | > Our next meeting is likely to be in Leeds in July. To me that=20 > > | > sounds inconvenient to get to from Cambs so if you want to come=20 > > | > here and have > > a > > | > chat instead??? > > | > > > | > Are you coming to our next Bodington Buzz on July 4th?=20 > Sean from=20 > > | > UHI > > | will be > > | > here and it may be a good time to spend an hour having=20 > an informal > > chat. > > | > Unfortunately Aggie will be on a Caribbean beach at=20 > that time so=20 > > | > will > > be > > | > really missing out! > > | > > > | > adam > > | > > > | > -- > > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | > > > | > | -----Original Message----- > > | > | From: bod...@li... > > | [mailto:bodington- > > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of=20 > John Norman > > | > | Sent: 14 June 2005 18:37 > > | > | To: bod...@li... > > | > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > > | > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > | > | Maybe we could tag something on to your next=20 > developer meeting=20 > > | > | to > > | compare > > | > | notes? An alternative that would involve more delay=20 > would be to=20 > > | > | try > > | and > > | > | tie > > | > | in with a UK Sakai developer meeting planned for the September > > | timeframe. > > | > | If > > | > | we waited for that, we could get Chuck Severance (the=20 > principal > > Sakai > > | > | architect). Or we could do both..? > > | > | > > | > | John > > | > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > > | > | >=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > > | > | > Behalf Of Andrew Booth > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 11:20 > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > > | > | > Cc: Andrew Booth > > | > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > > | > | > John > > | > | > > > | > | > That sounds interesting. How would you suggest taking the=20 > > | > | > scoping exercise forward? > > | > | > > > | > | > Aggie > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > > | > | >=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > > | > | > Behalf Of John Norman > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 10:25 > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > > | > | > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > > | > | > Dear All > > | > | > > > | > | > I'm just back from the Sakai meeting in Baltimore.=20 > While there=20 > > | > | > I had the thought that it would be interesting to=20 > do a scoping=20 > > | > | > exercise on what it would take to get the code=20 > bases of Sakai=20 > > | > | > and Bodington to converge (or what inter-operation=20 > strategies=20 > > | > | > may be possible). > > | > | > > > | > | > Do you think this would be of interest to the=20 > Bodington community? > > | We > > | > | > (Cambridge) could obviously do it from one side,=20 > but it seems=20 > > | > | > to make sense to have those who understand the code=20 > intimately=20 > > | > | > in each project compare notes. I imagine that were=20 > we to agree=20 > > | > | > that (i) it would be possible and > > | > | > (ii) it would be desirable, then a project to converge the=20 > > | > | > code would take around 12-18 months, but that may be a bit=20 > > | > | > premature right now > > | > | > > > | > | > Please let me know what you think. > > | > | > > > | > | > John > > | > | > > > | > | > PS. This is my individual/Cambridge idea and not an=20 > official=20 > > | > | > Sakai Project approach. > > | > | > > > | > | > Centre for Applied Research in Educational Technologies > > | > | > (CARET) University of Cambridge > > | > | > 16 Mill Lane > > | > | > Cambridge CB2 1SB > > | > | > > > | > | > +44-1223-765367 > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > > | > | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy=20 > Games. How far=20 > > | > | > can you shotput a projector? 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From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:27:20
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Alistair Young wrote: > If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in bod. > The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password > option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. > > Is there a way to override the end point that the change password link > points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or something? Sounds a bit specific to the Web world. What about people who are using a Windows user/password to login. Should the Bodington Authenticator just have a method called Authenticator.isPasswordChangable() -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:24:35
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Adam Marshall wrote: > You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from badly > formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted attributes > and the like automatically. > > You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like > > <html> -> <template><html> > </html> -> </html></template> > > Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise? Does it stip out things that don't conform to the DTD though? If so we might have to hack it to support the idea of the extra html tags allowed in Bodington templates. > You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as > <textarea></textarea> as well. The textarea problem was that the template source contained the closing tag but all XML parsers collapse the opening and closing tags into one so when it passes through the template compilation it comes out as one. The fix was to just ass support to the XmlTemplate compiler so it deals with a <textarea> tag specially. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 16:21:44
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> But with shibb Let's forget shibb exsts for the moment. The IdP is a hoax! it has nothing to do with bodington! If you have a standard bodington, with a standard authenticator then you can change your password in bodington no matter what Guanxi does with your attributes - Guanxi doesn't authenticate you - bodington does. You only need to worry about the "change password" functionality if you're not using the standard bodington authenticator, i.e. you're using the ldap or webauth one. You can do this without every having heard of shibb. IdP/SSO have nothing to do with bodington authentication! while (needingACake() ) { jumpUpAndDown(); } Alistair On 15 Jun 2005, at 17:11, Adam Marshall wrote: > > > -- > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young > | Sent: 15 June 2005 16:29 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - > SSO and > | v2.6 > | > | If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in > bod. > | The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password > | option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. > | > | Is there a way to override the end point that the change password > | link points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or > | something? > | > | that way, when an authenticator other than the standard one is > | installed, it will change what "change password" points to. In most > | cases it should just point to the URL of the helpdesk! > | > > But with shibb it needs to go back to the change password page or > helpdesk > of the users home institution! > > Probably best just having a sentence saying if you want to change your > password then contact your local sysadmin! > > adam > > | Alistair > | > | On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:17, Adam Marshall wrote: > | > | > When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that > | > takes the > | > user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where > such > | > a link > | > should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there > | > should be > | > any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of > SSO. > | > > | > adam > | > > | > -- > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | > > | > | -----Original Message----- > | > | From: bod...@li... > | > [mailto:bodington- > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair > Young > | > | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 > | > | To: bod...@li... > | > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - > | > SSO and > | > | v2.6 > | > | > | > | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any > | > time. > | > | > | > | Alistair > | > | > | > | > | > | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: > | > | > | > | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added > to head > | > | > AFTER > | > | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the > same > | > | > issues with > | > | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he > has now > | > | > predicated. > | > | > > | > | > adam > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http:// > bodington.org > | > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | > | > > | > | > | -----Original Message----- > | > | > | From: bod...@li... > | > | > [mailto:bodington- > | > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew > | > Booth > | > | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 > | > | > | To: bod...@li... > | > | > | Cc: Andrew Booth > | > | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP > | > | > | > | > | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons > | > | > communicating IdP > | > | > | to > | > | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP > | > end. It > | > | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. > | > | > | > | > | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / > | > | > shibsite to the > | > | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is > set to > | > | > protect > | > | > | the > | > | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources > | > can be > | > | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. > | > | > | > | > | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames > created > | > in the > | > | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form > | > | > use...@my... - we > | > | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field > in the > | > | > database, > | > | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to > increase it > | > | > to 128 > | > | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to > cope with > | > | > usernames > | > | > | of > | > | > | this kind.) > | > | > | > | > | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) > | > break > | > | > | anything > | > | > | anyone else is doing? > | > | > | > | > | > | Aggie and Atif > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | > | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How > far > | > can > | > | > you > | > | > | shotput > | > | > | a projector? 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From: John N. <jo...@ca...> - 2005-06-15 16:20:35
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Well the good news is that my important visitor on the 4th has just cancelled (I can guess what you're thinking, but it's true). If we came = to Bodington Buzz on the 4th, which would be interesting in it's own right, what time might be available to discuss the Sakai/Bodington agenda? = Shall we ask Ian Dolphin and other Sakai (UK) people like Rob Crouchley and Rob Allen, to come along? John > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li...=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > Behalf Of Sean Mehan > Sent: 15 June 2005 13:36 > To: bod...@li... > Cc: bod...@li...; 'Ian Boston' > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai >=20 > no one from UHI!-< >=20 > s >=20 >=20 > <quote who=3D"Adam Marshall"> > > Not from the Oxford VLE team. > > > > adam > > > > -- > > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: bod...@li... > > [mailto:bodington- > > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of > > jo...@ca... > > | Sent: 14 June 2005 19:31 > > | To: bod...@li... > > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > > | July 4 is a really bad date for me. Is anyone planning to attend > > Alt-i-Lab > > | in > > | Sheffield? > > | > > | John > > | > > | Quoting Adam Marshall=20 > <ada...@co...>: > > | > > | > Our next meeting is likely to be in Leeds in July. To me that=20 > > | > sounds inconvenient to get to from Cambs so if you want to come=20 > > | > here and have > > a > > | > chat instead??? > > | > > > | > Are you coming to our next Bodington Buzz on July 4th?=20 > Sean from=20 > > | > UHI > > | will be > > | > here and it may be a good time to spend an hour having=20 > an informal > > chat. > > | > Unfortunately Aggie will be on a Caribbean beach at=20 > that time so=20 > > | > will > > be > > | > really missing out! > > | > > > | > adam > > | > > > | > -- > > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | > > > | > | -----Original Message----- > > | > | From: bod...@li... > > | [mailto:bodington- > > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of=20 > John Norman > > | > | Sent: 14 June 2005 18:37 > > | > | To: bod...@li... > > | > | Cc: 'Ian Boston' > > | > | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > | > | Maybe we could tag something on to your next=20 > developer meeting=20 > > | > | to > > | compare > > | > | notes? An alternative that would involve more delay=20 > would be to=20 > > | > | try > > | and > > | > | tie > > | > | in with a UK Sakai developer meeting planned for the September > > | timeframe. > > | > | If > > | > | we waited for that, we could get Chuck Severance (the=20 > principal > > Sakai > > | > | architect). Or we could do both..? > > | > | > > | > | John > > | > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > > | > | >=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > > | > | > Behalf Of Andrew Booth > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 11:20 > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > > | > | > Cc: Andrew Booth > > | > | > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > > | > | > John > > | > | > > > | > | > That sounds interesting. How would you suggest taking the=20 > > | > | > scoping exercise forward? > > | > | > > > | > | > Aggie > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > > | > | > From: bod...@li... > > | > | >=20 > [mailto:bod...@li...] On=20 > > | > | > Behalf Of John Norman > > | > | > Sent: 14 June 2005 10:25 > > | > | > To: bod...@li... > > | > | > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington/Sakai > > | > | > > > | > | > Dear All > > | > | > > > | > | > I'm just back from the Sakai meeting in Baltimore.=20 > While there=20 > > | > | > I had the thought that it would be interesting to=20 > do a scoping=20 > > | > | > exercise on what it would take to get the code=20 > bases of Sakai=20 > > | > | > and Bodington to converge (or what inter-operation=20 > strategies=20 > > | > | > may be possible). > > | > | > > > | > | > Do you think this would be of interest to the=20 > Bodington community? > > | We > > | > | > (Cambridge) could obviously do it from one side,=20 > but it seems=20 > > | > | > to make sense to have those who understand the code=20 > intimately=20 > > | > | > in each project compare notes. I imagine that were=20 > we to agree=20 > > | > | > that (i) it would be possible and > > | > | > (ii) it would be desirable, then a project to converge the=20 > > | > | > code would take around 12-18 months, but that may be a bit=20 > > | > | > premature right now > > | > | > > > | > | > Please let me know what you think. > > | > | > > > | > | > John > > | > | > > > | > | > PS. This is my individual/Cambridge idea and not an=20 > official=20 > > | > | > Sakai Project approach. > > | > | > > > | > | > Centre for Applied Research in Educational Technologies > > | > | > (CARET) University of Cambridge > > | > | > 16 Mill Lane > > | > | > Cambridge CB2 1SB > > | > | > > > | > | > +44-1223-765367 > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > > | > | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy=20 > Games. How far=20 > > | > | > can you shotput a projector? 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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 16:11:41
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-- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 15 June 2005 16:29 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - SSO and | v2.6 | | If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in bod. | The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password | option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. | | Is there a way to override the end point that the change password | link points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or | something? | | that way, when an authenticator other than the standard one is | installed, it will change what "change password" points to. In most | cases it should just point to the URL of the helpdesk! | But with shibb it needs to go back to the change password page or helpdesk of the users home institution! Probably best just having a sentence saying if you want to change your password then contact your local sysadmin! adam | Alistair | | On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:17, Adam Marshall wrote: | | > When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that | > takes the | > user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where such | > a link | > should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there | > should be | > any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of SSO. | > | > adam | > | > -- | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | > | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bodington- | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | > | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 | > | To: bod...@li... | > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - | > SSO and | > | v2.6 | > | | > | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any | > time. | > | | > | Alistair | > | | > | | > | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: | > | | > | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to head | > | > AFTER | > | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same | > | > issues with | > | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now | > | > predicated. | > | > | > | > adam | > | > | > | > -- | > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org | > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | > | > | > | > | -----Original Message----- | > | > | From: bod...@li... | > | > [mailto:bodington- | > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew | > Booth | > | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 | > | > | To: bod...@li... | > | > | Cc: Andrew Booth | > | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP | > | > | | > | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons | > | > communicating IdP | > | > | to | > | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP | > end. It | > | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. | > | > | | > | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / | > | > shibsite to the | > | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is set to | > | > protect | > | > | the | > | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources | > can be | > | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. | > | > | | > | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created | > in the | > | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form | > | > use...@my... - we | > | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field in the | > | > database, | > | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to increase it | > | > to 128 | > | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope with | > | > usernames | > | > | of | > | > | this kind.) | > | > | | > | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) | > break | > | > | anything | > | > | anyone else is doing? | > | > | | > | > | Aggie and Atif | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- | > | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far | > can | > | > you | > | > | shotput | > | > | a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the | > | > office luge | > | > | track? | > | > | If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. | > | > | Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http:// | > www.necitguy.com/?r | > | > | _______________________________________________ | > | > | Bodington-developers mailing list | > | > | Bod...@li... | > | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington- | > developers | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > | > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration | > Strategies | > | > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward | > articles, | > | > informative Webcasts and more! 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From: Antony C. <an...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 16:08:32
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OK I will start on this tomorrow and will let everyone know when I have=20= finished. Antony On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:09, Adam Marshall wrote: > According to our (non-interactive) whiteboard - we have done all our=20= > updates > and are now waiting for the new templates to go in after which we can=20= > add > more of our updates. > > We didn=92t add exactly what we said we would - the chaps in the know=20= > (you > know - those three there) - say that we should wait to add facility = CSS > abstraction, and img tag title att fix. I'm not too sure about = template > compilation as Alexis is away - he's back tomorrow. > > So do your stuff. > adam > > -- > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li...=20 > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Antony Corfield > | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:50 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair = and > | sean) > | > | Sorry folks I am still catching up on my email... > | > | The templates (updated interface) are ready for merging. Am I right=20= > in > | thinking that I do this after the other updates? Do we have a = current > | list of progress on cvs merges? > | > | Antony > | > | On 14 Jun 2005, at 13:00, Colin Tatham wrote: > | > | > > | > Adam sed: > | > > | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and=20= > then > | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and > | >> then doing the > | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we=20= > are > | >>> already > | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet! > | > > | > Alistair replied: > | > > | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready > | >> and including > | >> instructions on how to localise a template: > | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90 > | > > | > > | > ... and I think that looks great! > | > > | > > | > The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in=20= > that > | > have > | > your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text, > | > 'manage' > | > link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating > | > others. > | > > | > A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as=20= > they > | > are? > | > We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify=20 > them > | > slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags=20= > in > | > the > | > new templates, which could save a lot of work. > | > > | > Colin > | > > | > > | > ____________________________________ > | > Colin Tatham > | > VLE Team > | > Oxford University Computing Services > | > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > | > www.bodington.org > | > > | > > | > > | >> -----Original Message----- > | >> From: bod...@li... > | >> [mailto:bod...@li...]On=20 > Behalf Of > | >> Alistair Young > | >> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12 > | >> To: bod...@li... > | >> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean > | >> > | >> > | >> Adam, > | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready > | >> and including > | >> instructions on how to localise a template: > | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90 > | >> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf -=20 > perhaps > | >> someone may know? > | >> Alistair > | >> > | >> > | >> -- > | >> Alistair Young > | >> Senior Software Engineer > | >> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig > | >> Isle of Skye > | >> Scotland > | >> > | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and=20= > then > | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and > | >> then doing the > | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we=20= > are > | >>> already > | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet! > | >>> > | >>> We're going to have institutional commitments soon which > | >> will prevent us > | >>> from helping out with the internationalisation. > | >>> > | >>> adam > | >>> > | >>> -- > | >>> Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | >>> Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > | >>> Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | >>> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > | >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How > | >> far can you > | >>> shotput > | >>> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the > | >> office luge > | >>> track? > | >>> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. > | >>> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display:=20 > http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20 > | >>> _______________________________________________ > | >>> Bodington-developers mailing list > | >>> Bod...@li... > | >>> = https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | >>> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> ------------------------------------------------------- > | >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far > | >> can you shotput > | >> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the > | >> office luge track? > | >> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. > | >> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r > | >> _______________________________________________ > | >> Bodington-developers mailing list > | >> Bod...@li... > | >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | >> > | > > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can=20= > you > | > shotput > | > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office > | > luge track? > | > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. > | > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display:=20 > http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20 > | > _______________________________________________ > | > Bodington-developers mailing list > | > Bod...@li... > | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration=20 > Strategies > | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > | informative Webcasts and more! 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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 15:57:01
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> Is this a tool to change your password once you have authenticated =20 > to bod yes > And therefore it changes in the external store no it doesn't know anything about external stores. It will break with =20 anything other than the standard bodington authenticator - well I =20 know it will break with the ldap one as it doesn't store passwords in =20= the database as they're clear text! I think the best thing to do is get the authenticator to override =20 where that link points to, if that's possible. Alistair On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:48, Sean Mehan wrote: > yesss..... > > perhaps i'm thick (shut yer gob, alistair) but I don't understand the > motivation in this one. > > Is this a tool to change your password once you have authenticated =20 > to bod > already? And therefore it changes in the external store? is that a =20 > good > thing? > > s > > > <quote who=3D"Alistair Young"> > >> If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in bod. >> The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password >> option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. >> >> Is there a way to override the end point that the change password >> link points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or >> something? >> >> that way, when an authenticator other than the standard one is >> installed, it will change what "change password" points to. In most >> cases it should just point to the URL of the helpdesk! >> >> Alistair >> >> On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:17, Adam Marshall wrote: >> >> >>> When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that >>> takes the >>> user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where such >>> a link >>> should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there >>> should be >>> any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of SSO. >>> >>> adam >>> >>> -- >>> Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. >>> Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org >>> Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ >>> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) >>> >>> | -----Original Message----- >>> | From: bod...@li... >>> [mailto:bodington- >>> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair =20 >>> Young >>> | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 >>> | To: bod...@li... >>> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - >>> SSO and >>> | v2.6 >>> | >>> | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any >>> time. >>> | >>> | Alistair >>> | >>> | >>> | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: >>> | >>> | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to =20 >>> head >>> | > AFTER >>> | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same >>> | > issues with >>> | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now >>> | > predicated. >>> | > >>> | > adam >>> | > >>> | > -- >>> | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. >>> | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org >>> | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ >>> | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) >>> | > >>> | > | -----Original Message----- >>> | > | From: bod...@li... >>> | > [mailto:bodington- >>> | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew >>> Booth >>> | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 >>> | > | To: bod...@li... >>> | > | Cc: Andrew Booth >>> | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP >>> | > | >>> | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons >>> | > communicating IdP >>> | > | to >>> | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP >>> end. It >>> | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. >>> | > | >>> | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / >>> | > shibsite to the >>> | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is =20 >>> set to >>> | > protect >>> | > | the >>> | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources >>> can be >>> | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. >>> | > | >>> | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created >>> in the >>> | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form >>> | > use...@my... - we >>> | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field =20 >>> in the >>> | > database, >>> | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to =20 >>> increase it >>> | > to 128 >>> | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope =20 >>> with >>> | > usernames >>> | > | of >>> | > | this kind.) >>> | > | >>> | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) >>> break >>> | > | anything >>> | > | anyone else is doing? >>> | > | >>> | > | Aggie and Atif >>> | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | ------------------------------------------------------- >>> | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far >>> can >>> | > you >>> | > | shotput >>> | > | a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the >>> | > office luge >>> | > | track? >>> | > | If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little =20 >>> guy. >>> | > | Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http:// >>> www.necitguy.com/?r >>> | > | _______________________________________________ >>> | > | Bodington-developers mailing list >>> | > | Bod...@li... >>> | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington- >>> developers >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > ------------------------------------------------------- >>> | > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration >>> Strategies >>> | > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward >>> articles, >>> | > informative Webcasts and more! 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Get everything you need to get up to >> speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dcl= ick >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> >> > > > --=20 > Sean Mehan > Head of Computing Research > SMO, UHI > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id=16492&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 15:48:55
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yesss..... perhaps i'm thick (shut yer gob, alistair) but I don't understand the motivation in this one. Is this a tool to change your password once you have authenticated to bod already? And therefore it changes in the external store? is that a good thing? s <quote who=3D"Alistair Young"> > If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in bod. > The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password > option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. > > Is there a way to override the end point that the change password > link points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or > something? > > that way, when an authenticator other than the standard one is > installed, it will change what "change password" points to. In most > cases it should just point to the URL of the helpdesk! > > Alistair > > On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:17, Adam Marshall wrote: > >> When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that >> takes the >> user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where such >> a link >> should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there >> should be >> any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of SSO. >> >> adam >> >> -- >> Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. >> Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org >> Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ >> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: bod...@li... >> [mailto:bodington- >> | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young >> | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 >> | To: bod...@li... >> | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - >> SSO and >> | v2.6 >> | >> | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any >> time. >> | >> | Alistair >> | >> | >> | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: >> | >> | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to head >> | > AFTER >> | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same >> | > issues with >> | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now >> | > predicated. >> | > >> | > adam >> | > >> | > -- >> | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. >> | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org >> | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ >> | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) >> | > >> | > | -----Original Message----- >> | > | From: bod...@li... >> | > [mailto:bodington- >> | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew >> Booth >> | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 >> | > | To: bod...@li... >> | > | Cc: Andrew Booth >> | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP >> | > | >> | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons >> | > communicating IdP >> | > | to >> | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP >> end. It >> | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. >> | > | >> | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / >> | > shibsite to the >> | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is set to >> | > protect >> | > | the >> | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources >> can be >> | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. >> | > | >> | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created >> in the >> | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form >> | > use...@my... - we >> | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field in the >> | > database, >> | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to increase it >> | > to 128 >> | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope with >> | > usernames >> | > | of >> | > | this kind.) >> | > | >> | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) >> break >> | > | anything >> | > | anyone else is doing? >> | > | >> | > | Aggie and Atif >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | ------------------------------------------------------- >> | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far >> can >> | > you >> | > | shotput >> | > | a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the >> | > office luge >> | > | track? >> | > | If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. >> | > | Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http:// >> www.necitguy.com/?r >> | > | _______________________________________________ >> | > | Bodington-developers mailing list >> | > | Bod...@li... >> | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington- >> developers >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > ------------------------------------------------------- >> | > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration >> Strategies >> | > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward >> articles, >> | > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get >> up to >> | > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/? >> ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dclick >> | > _______________________________________________ >> | > Bodington-developers mailing list >> | > Bod...@li... >> | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> | > >> | >> | >> | >> | ------------------------------------------------------- >> | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration >> Strategies >> | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, >> | informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to >> | speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3D= click >> | _______________________________________________ >> | Bodington-developers mailing list >> | Bod...@li... >> | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies >> from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, >> informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to >> speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dc= lick >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7477&alloc_id=3D16492&op=3Dcl= ick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > --=20 Sean Mehan Head of Computing Research SMO, UHI |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 15:29:30
|
If you're using ldap or webauth you can't change the password in bod. The IdP and SSO have no effect on bod at all - the change password option is a problem for the bodington authenticator. Is there a way to override the end point that the change password link points to? perhaps add Authenticator.changePasswordURL or something? that way, when an authenticator other than the standard one is installed, it will change what "change password" points to. In most cases it should just point to the URL of the helpdesk! Alistair On 15 Jun 2005, at 16:17, Adam Marshall wrote: > When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that > takes the > user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where such > a link > should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there > should be > any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of SSO. > > adam > > -- > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young > | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 > | To: bod...@li... > | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - > SSO and > | v2.6 > | > | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any > time. > | > | Alistair > | > | > | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: > | > | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to head > | > AFTER > | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same > | > issues with > | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now > | > predicated. > | > > | > adam > | > > | > -- > | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > | > > | > | -----Original Message----- > | > | From: bod...@li... > | > [mailto:bodington- > | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew > Booth > | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 > | > | To: bod...@li... > | > | Cc: Andrew Booth > | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP > | > | > | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons > | > communicating IdP > | > | to > | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP > end. It > | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. > | > | > | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / > | > shibsite to the > | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is set to > | > protect > | > | the > | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources > can be > | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. > | > | > | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created > in the > | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form > | > use...@my... - we > | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field in the > | > database, > | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to increase it > | > to 128 > | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope with > | > usernames > | > | of > | > | this kind.) > | > | > | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) > break > | > | anything > | > | anyone else is doing? > | > | > | > | Aggie and Atif > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. 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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 15:17:43
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When using shibb one doesn't want a 'change password' link that takes the user to bodington's internal change password page. Quite where such a link should take the user is another matter. I guess that means there should be any 'change password' links in bod at all if using some form of SSO. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:54 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP - SSO and | v2.6 | | IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any time. | | Alistair | | | On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: | | > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to head | > AFTER | > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same | > issues with | > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now | > predicated. | > | > adam | > | > -- | > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org | > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | > | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bodington- | > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew Booth | > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 | > | To: bod...@li... | > | Cc: Andrew Booth | > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP | > | | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons | > communicating IdP | > | to | > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP end. It | > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. | > | | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / | > shibsite to the | > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is set to | > protect | > | the | > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources can be | > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. | > | | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created in the | > | SP-protected bodington are of the form | > use...@my... - we | > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field in the | > database, | > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to increase it | > to 128 | > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope with | > usernames | > | of | > | this kind.) | > | | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) break | > | anything | > | anyone else is doing? | > | | > | Aggie and Atif | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | ------------------------------------------------------- | > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can | > you | > | shotput | > | a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the | > office luge | > | track? | > | If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. | > | Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Bodington-developers mailing list | > | Bod...@li... | > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies | > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, | > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to | > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, | informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to | speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 15:15:54
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You can use HTMLParser (http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/) to go from badly formed HTML to well formed xHTML, ie, add closing tags, quoted attributes and the like automatically. You could almost certainly do other stuff whilst you're at it like <html> -> <template><html> </html> -> </html></template> Would it be an idea to look into this as a time saving exercise? You would also be able to make sure that <textarea/> appears as <textarea></textarea> as well. Adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Matthew Buckett | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:51 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates | | Sean Mehan wrote: | >>A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they | are? | >>We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them | >>slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in | the | >>new templates, which could save a lot of work. | > | > ++2! | | I've got a basic patch for building tags in new style templates in | WebLearn HEAD but I'm not sure about the impact of this as its all a bit | scary. | | To convert an only style template to a new style you have to: | | Change the DOCTYPE and add an xml header: | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?> | <!DOCTYPE template PUBLIC "xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd" | "http://bodington.org/dtd/xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd"> | | Add <template> tags around the <html> tags. | | Quote all attributes. | | Balance all tags (eg <input> to <input/>). | | While working on this I discovered that at the moment it is impossible | to put an empty <textarea> in a new style template as it gets collapsed | to an single textarea which is not rendered correctly by the browser. I | also have a fix for this (which is ugly). | | -- | +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, | informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to | speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 15:09:31
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According to our (non-interactive) whiteboard - we have done all our = updates and are now waiting for the new templates to go in after which we can = add more of our updates. We didn=92t add exactly what we said we would - the chaps in the know = (you know - those three there) - say that we should wait to add facility CSS abstraction, and img tag title att fix. I'm not too sure about template compilation as Alexis is away - he's back tomorrow. So do your stuff. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20 | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Antony Corfield | Sent: 15 June 2005 15:50 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Templates (was: attn Alistair and | sean) |=20 | Sorry folks I am still catching up on my email... |=20 | The templates (updated interface) are ready for merging. Am I right in | thinking that I do this after the other updates? Do we have a current | list of progress on cvs merges? |=20 | Antony |=20 | On 14 Jun 2005, at 13:00, Colin Tatham wrote: |=20 | > | > Adam sed: | > | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and = then | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and | >> then doing the | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we = are | >>> already | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet! | > | > Alistair replied: | > | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready | >> and including | >> instructions on how to localise a template: | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90 | > | > | > ... and I think that looks great! | > | > | > The bit Adam was asking about is what state the templates are in = that | > have | > your improved user interface changes (e.g. collapsible help text, | > 'manage' | > link, etc). We need to get those changes before we start updating | > others. | > | > A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as = they | > are? | > We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them | > slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags = in | > the | > new templates, which could save a lot of work. | > | > Colin | > | > | > ____________________________________ | > Colin Tatham | > VLE Team | > Oxford University Computing Services | > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ | > www.bodington.org | > | > | > | >> -----Original Message----- | >> From: bod...@li... | >> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf = Of | >> Alistair Young | >> Sent: 13 June 2005 15:12 | >> To: bod...@li... | >> Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] attn Alistair and sean | >> | >> | >> Adam, | >> I sent a message to the list on 26/5 saying 1i8n was ready | >> and including | >> instructions on how to localise a template: | >> http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D90 | >> not sure what the plan is to get the new templates into sf - = perhaps | >> someone may know? | >> Alistair | >> | >> | >> -- | >> Alistair Young | >> Senior Software Engineer | >> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig | >> Isle of Skye | >> Scotland | >> | >>> So what's happening about getting the UHI templates into SF and = then | >>> distributing instructions on how to internationalise and | >> then doing the | >>> edits? This task was supposed to run from 21 may - 7 june so we = are | >>> already | >>> a week overdue and we haven't seen any templates yet! | >>> | >>> We're going to have institutional commitments soon which | >> will prevent us | >>> from helping out with the internationalisation. | >>> | >>> adam | >>> | >>> -- | >>> Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. | >>> Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org | >>> Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ | >>> Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> ------------------------------------------------------- | >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How | >> far can you | >>> shotput | >>> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the | >> office luge | >>> track? | >>> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. | >>> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: = http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20 | >>> _______________________________________________ | >>> Bodington-developers mailing list | >>> Bod...@li... | >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | >>> | >> | >> | >> | >> ------------------------------------------------------- | >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far | >> can you shotput | >> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the | >> office luge track? | >> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. | >> Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r | >> _______________________________________________ | >> Bodington-developers mailing list | >> Bod...@li... | >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | >> | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can = you | > shotput | > a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office | > luge track? | > If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. | > Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: = http://www.necitguy.com/?r=3D20 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |=20 |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies | from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, | informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to | speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id=16492&op=3Dick | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-06-15 14:54:32
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IdP and SSO don't affect bodington so they can go into head any time. Alistair On 15 Jun 2005, at 15:49, Adam Marshall wrote: > Will this go into 2.6? If so I'd suggest that it is added to head > AFTER > Aleixis's's's' WebAuth / SSO modific's as there will be the same > issues with > 'change password' links and text about 'logout' which he has now > predicated. > > adam > > -- > Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. > Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org > Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ > Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bodington- > | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew Booth > | Sent: 06 June 2005 12:51 > | To: bod...@li... > | Cc: Andrew Booth > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Bodington with SP and IdP > | > | Just to keep you up to date, we now have two bodingtons > communicating IdP > | to > | SP and we have automatic account creation working at the SP end. It > | shouldn't take too long to get the groups sorted as well. > | > | At the Bodington behind the SP, we have mapped /site and / > shibsite to the > | same bodington servlet. The Shibboleth servlet filter is set to > protect > | the > | /shibsite URLs but not the /site ones, so the same resources can be > | shib-protected or not depending on the URL used. > | > | One thing that we need to point out is that usernames created in the > | SP-protected bodington are of the form > use...@my... - we > | therefore need to increase the size of the username field in the > database, > | which is currently 30 characters wide. We propose to increase it > to 128 > | characters. (The same had to be done with mvnForum to cope with > usernames > | of > | this kind.) > | > | Do either of these changes (servlet mapping and field width) break > | anything > | anyone else is doing? > | > | Aggie and Atif > | > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can > you > | shotput > | a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the > office luge > | track? > | If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. > | Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r > | _______________________________________________ > | Bodington-developers mailing list > | Bod...@li... > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-06-15 14:51:48
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. | | Out of interest, why PostgreSQL? There are other RDBMSs these days that | provide the required capabilities and are less... er... niche. The cost | to Oxford of tuning this code to work well with PostgreSQL may well be | higher than the cost of switching to an alternative RDBMS. I remember Aggie saying in Brum that he's look into Bod + MySQL! Sorry Aggie, Adam |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-06-15 14:51:04
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Sean Mehan wrote: >>A related issue is how committed we feel to the XML templates as they are? >>We all seem to find them too verbose -- maybe we could simplify them >>slightly. Matthew suggested adding support for the <building> tags in the >>new templates, which could save a lot of work. > > ++2! I've got a basic patch for building tags in new style templates in WebLearn HEAD but I'm not sure about the impact of this as its all a bit scary. To convert an only style template to a new style you have to: Change the DOCTYPE and add an xml header: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?> <!DOCTYPE template PUBLIC "xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd" "http://bodington.org/dtd/xhtmltemplate1-strict.dtd"> Add <template> tags around the <html> tags. Quote all attributes. Balance all tags (eg <input> to <input/>). While working on this I discovered that at the moment it is impossible to put an empty <textarea> in a new style template as it gets collapsed to an single textarea which is not rendered correctly by the browser. I also have a fix for this (which is ugly). -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |