Re: [rdesktop-users] How are System CALs dongled?

[Jan <li...@st...>]

Greetings,...

let's take a look at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overview.mspx
and go into detail
If you have other sources, please let me know.

Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2005 17:12 schrieben Sie:

> > Sorry, I don't get your point. If I need two licenses for a box
> > connecting
> > to a Windows 2003 TS. One license is for the Windows 2003 and one
> > license is
> > for the TS session.
> > Do you agree?
> > [ ] Yes | [x ] No
>
> one is for a connection and one is for a user login. both go in
> licensing on the win 2003 box.

no.
"A Windows Server 2003 Client Access License (Windows CAL) is required in 
order to access or use the server software."
"A Terminal Server Client Access License (TS CAL) is required to use Terminal 
Server or otherwise host a remote graphical user interface (GUI) session,"


> > Apart from 2k, 2k3 allows licensing TS-session per machine, thus I
> > don't need to
> > license TS-sessions per user (in MS-world)
> > Do you agree?
> > [ ] Yes | [x ] No
>
> i was told by tech support i needed both.

no.
"Windows Device CALs may make more sense if your company has multiple-shift 
workers who share devices. Similarly, Terminal Server (TS) will offer both 
device-based and user-based CALs: TS Device CAL and TS User CAL."

> > Thus I can decide whether I want to license TS-Session by user or
> > by machine (in MS world).
> > Do you agree?
> > [ ] Yes | [x ] No

no - quote see above.

> > Furthermore, if I use rdesktop a TS-Session-per-system-license has to
> > be dongled to a Unix WS
> > Do you agree?
> > [ ] Yes | [x ] No
>
> it resides in the licensing server on the widows 2003 server computer -
> the terminal host contains NO code.

Please consider the given quotes.

> > If you don't agree to this thesis please give links etc. to endorse
> > your
> > view. I'll do it also, if you don't provide it.
>
> i don't have email on our win2003 server and do not allow it so its
> sort of impossible to provide the screen shots you need.
>
> however:
(...)

> >
> > (Sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, but I'm very confused, it it's
> > getting
> > harder and harder to look through the MS licensing jungle)
>
> by there intention i suspect.
:-(
> >> so in that case it would be three.
> >>
> >> here we only have ONE windows box and that is the term server all the
> >> software runs on linux but the moronic developer only wrote a client
> >> that runs on windows - and its only a 64k client all it does is draw a
> >> box on the screen and transmit ascii characters and the mouse position
> >> and the mouse button - tiny little fast thing - but we have to have a
> >> full blown 2003 server just to run the blasted client - the desktops
> >> and the servers are all various flavors of nix.
> >
> > Technically it's clear.
> > Either I don't understand MS licensing, or you don't understand MS
> > licensing. I spend hours overlooking it, and I believe in my point of
> > view.
> > (At least, I do believe in the illusion of knowledge ;)
> > All I'm asking for is: How can I use the licenses with rdesktop.
>
> i agree - but at the point that i was setting up our terminal server i
> was told i only needed to purchase one cal - i called and got it
> installed and it ran for 120 days an died saying the temp license had
> expired, i called tech support and was told that i had been misled and
> if i was using rdesktop on a 'nix platform i had to have a user and a
> device - so i had to pony up xxx$ and they installed it and it runs
> perfect in every way.

:-(

> this leaves only three possibilities:
>
>  a they changed the rules again and now i only need one of the two i
> have in there.
>  b they suckered me into purchasing something i did not need via bogus
> messages and fud
>  c i really need two - one for the device and one for the extra user on
> the server.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/
> termservlic.mspx

Damn. Using Win2k3 server is our first step in order to migrate our full 
network to linux.
I hope, it's worth the effort.

Keep smiling
yanosz