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[Pcgen-trackers] [ pcgen-Feature Requests-884181 ] [5.5.8] Racial bonus for Gnomes missing unless trained
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From: SourceForge.net <no...@so...> - 2005-02-21 03:37:50
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Feature Requests item #884181, was opened at 2004-01-25 10:37 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by kingpaul You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=384722&aid=884181&group_id=25576 Category: Skill Support Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Walt Weber (waltw) >Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: [5.5.8] Racial bonus for Gnomes missing unless trained Initial Comment: Windows 98 with Java 1.4.2_03 PCGEN 5.5.8 with - gamemode 35e loaded sources RSRD and RSRD Advanced options - Automatically generate equip + racially resized Output Sheet used: csheet_fantasy_combined.htm Create a new character - Align: Neutral Good Race: Gnome Class: Bard BUG: Gnome +2 bonus to Craft (Alchemy) is not applied unless a skill point is spent. This causes the skill (and bonus) to be missing from the Output Sheet (csheet_fantasy_combined), and the skill is then incorrectly calculated by the generic "Craft (Untrained)" entry. This is related to the changes made for tracker 867079 in PcGen:DM , but I'm entering it here because the skill bonus is not being applied, rather than an error in the data files. Please feel free to move to other project if appropriate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Bryan McRoberts (merton_monk) Date: 2004-09-03 23:27 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=195874 Coming up with a skills-display option to display skills that have any kind of bonus other than a stat bonus is a valid request. This isn't high priority as you can already display all skills. If we get more people requesting this we can consider upping the priority. We're trying to limit the higher priority items to those that are critical in terms of functionality or affect the proper implementation of the sources we support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Walt Weber (waltw) Date: 2004-02-17 07:25 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=935063 I disagree with categorizing this as a FREQ and not a deficiency. When I started looking at this issue, Craftsman skills were listed (incorrectly) as only useable if trained. This was fixed under tracker 867079, with the addition of having a special "Craftsman (untrained)" entry created to summarize all of the untrained skills that gain their bonus only from INT. Now comes the problem - a Gnome gets an added bonus in one of those craft skills. So when using a pcgen output sheet, the only item that appears for the Gnome is the pcgen- created "Craftsman (untrained)" entry, which under-states the skill points for the character in the case of Alchemy. In this case, I believe it should be fixed for release of 5.6 in one of two ways - a) make adjustment to logic as suggested earlier, so that any char with MISC adjustment to a Craft skill will have that skill show up on the OS when the option choice is "Untrained". b) remove the enhancement of using the "Craftsman (untrained)" summary line, and go back to the earlier method of displaying all Craftsman skills when the option choice is "Untrained". In my opinion, the "better" choice is (a). But (b) would be consistent with my understanding of the difference between FREQ and BUG. We're part-way down the "FREQ" path now, and it's not working as well as could be expected. Choosing (b) would unroll the enhancement until such time in the future that it can be implemented without mis-representing skill bonuses for a character. ...walt... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2004-02-17 00:12 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Hey no problem at all, moving to freqs though. K TM SB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Walt Weber (waltw) Date: 2004-02-16 21:39 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=935063 No, not a trained skill, according to the 3.5 PHB and the RSRD published by WoTC. I don't think the idea of forcing all skills to be displayed is the only choice available, and I disagree with the assertion made by merton_monk in the earlier message. Yes, all skills have modifiers based upon char stats, but that's not (or should not be) the determinant in whether a skill is printed when the "show untrained" option is checked. I'd propose the following display behavior is consistent with a mythical "common user" or "intended use". Keep the current display methodology for the "untrained" choice (uses a description of "Craftsman (untrained)" as a way to describe all the Craftsman skills that are useable untrained, but for which no skill point has been spent), but change the logic from this (pseudo-code) If no_skill_point_spent then use_summary_Line else display_individual_skill to the following (pseudo-code) If (no_skill_point_spent AND no_miscellaneous_bonus) then use_summary_Line else display_individual_skill This has what I perceive as the desired effect - any skill that's useable untrained is displayed at the appropriate value, without requiring an expanded listing of every skill in the RSRD. I hope I've made my case in a way that doesn't offend. I appreciate the work the team is doing. I appreciate it a LOT. ...walt... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2004-02-16 17:51 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Good point, this is a trained skill yeah? Then it doesn't make sense for the character to see the +2 until he's trained in it <shrug>. K TM SB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Bryan McRoberts (merton_monk) Date: 2004-02-16 17:47 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=195874 PCGen will display all skills if you change the preference to that. This is a feature request to add a skill option (and maybe make it the default) to include all skills that have a modifier, which would probably be all of them since stats provide modifiers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Walt Weber (waltw) Date: 2004-02-12 21:05 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=935063 Yes, I believe the +4 hide bonus is based on racial size. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2004-02-12 15:32 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Definately a code bug, the +2 to listen comes up but not the change to craft alchemy, LST file looks correct to this Tamarin ;p. I also saw a +4 to hide, I assume that's for the small size? K TM SB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2004-01-25 14:24 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Why thank you :-), I'll get Doug to takea look 1st, Doug? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=384722&aid=884181&group_id=25576 |