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[Pcgen-trackers_code] [JIRA] Created: (CODE-703) [RSRD] Monstrous PC caps on low ability scores
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From: JIRA (f. D. R. B. ) <ji...@pc...> - 2011-07-12 23:57:07
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[RSRD] Monstrous PC caps on low ability scores
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Key: CODE-703
URL: http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-703
Project: Code
Issue Type: New Feature
Components: Needs Verification Review
Reporter: David R. Bender
SF - ID: 891521
Last Update: Comment added ( thpr )
Details:
Reed Thornton says:
I was thinking about something sparked by one of the threads in
the
last couple of days having to do with BONUS:STAT|INT which sent
me
looking at the docs with regard to INT and INTSCORE and their
cousins. From looking at the docs I can't tell whether INTSCORE is
the value that gets input by the user and dumped out to the
character
file as STAT:INT|SCORE:12 or whether INTSCORE is the result of
STAT:INT|SCORE:12 + BONUS:STAT|INT|-2. This set me to
thinking about
various races that have substantial stat penalties and what the
limits were as far as playability goes. I knew that a PC's Int is
never lower than 3 but what about the other stats? I then found
the
following in the RSRD section MonstersasRaces.rtf
Ability Scores for Monster PCs:...
For ability scores lower than 10, the procedure is different. First,
determine the character's ability scores, and compare that number
to
the monster's average ability score, using either the table below
that applies to Intelligence or the table that applies to the other
five ability scores.
The separate table for Intelligence ensures that no PC ends up with
an Intelligence score lower than 3. This is important, because
creatures with an Intelligence score lower than 3 are not playable
characters. Creatures with any ability score lower than 1 are also
not playable.
I then checked the rsrd_races_o_p.lst versus MonstersO-R.rtf to
Otyugh which is listed as Int 5 it is coded in the lst as
BONUS:STAT|INT|-6. If you role a 9 that will give you a 3 but you
should have score of 4 according to the table.
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I says:
Tables for all the ability score capping can be found here:
http://3.5srd.com/web/sovelior_sage_srd/Sovelior%20SRD/
monstersAsRaces.html
I tried to come up with a simple formula for the capping, but
something easy isn't coming immediately to mind. Might have to
be lookup-based. Yuck.
Submitted:
Matt Haffner ( eltenedor ) - 2004-02-05 22:43:10 EST
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Date: 2008-07-29 22:44:23 EDT
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arch requried
Date: 2005-09-16 13:28:27 EDT
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Yes. But it is going to be a lot of code. Not high on
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Date: 2005-09-15 11:21:37 EDT
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8 months on, we still wanting this? - K
Date: 2004-10-06 18:46:01 EDT
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Paul, can we move this to FReq (it is new implementation of
stuff) and not for 5.8? It is something I'd like to do as an
option, just not sure how to go about both methods....
Date: 2004-10-06 16:39:38 EDT
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Is this still valid?
Date: 2004-02-17 12:44:48 EST
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I'm lowering the priority on this one. This is tied into the
mess that surrounds negative-adjustments on monsters and
the fact that there are a number of apparent 'formulas' that
will take some time to come up with a good idea on how to
tackle.
Date: 2004-02-12 16:15:29 EST
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This should be supported for RSRD
Date: 2004-02-07 22:44:25 EST
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Doug thoughts?
Date: 2004-02-05 23:05:07 EST
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I posted this additional bit on Y!:
It's a rather huge issue for any monstrous race with negative racial
modifiers, but well hidden in the bowels of the RSRD.
If you look closely at the table, you'll see that this doesn't just affect
characters with super low rolls. A rolled Int of 10 for a monstrous PC
with
a base Int score of 8/9 (-2 racial mod) results in a score of 9, not 8.
That
doesn't affect the final Int mod (still -1), but if you had rolled one
lower,
it starts to: you rolled a 9 and the table tells you you get an 8 in the
end
(not a 7).
I tried to come up with some easy formula below the capping, but I
couldn't right away. Off the top of my head, it sounds kind of messy
since it looks like the rolled score and the monster's racial modifier
have
to be passed into a translation routine that spits out the final 'good'
score.
What's really odd (and annoying, potentially), is this statement in the
same section right before describing what to do about monsters with low
average ability scores (< 10):
"Also, some monsters that make good PCs have their racial ability
modifiers and other traits already listed in their monster entry."
I think this means that any monster with the "As Characters" section in
their description works like the standard PC races (i.e. don't use these
crazy tables). That means there has to be a selector of some sort in
each creature's entry to let the code know which method to use for final
ability selection, straight subtraction or the crazy table.
Ack.
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