Re: [ jEdit-devel ] new HelpServer plugin

[Björn K. <Bj...@ka...>]

Eric wrote:

> That's all well and good, but I want my help now :-)
> jEdit 5.2 depends on java 1.7 so can't depend on JavaFX.

Well yes and no. 1.7 supports JavaFX, you just have to ship the runtime
environment.
1.8 just changes that it is shipped with the JRE (besides some updating)

> Even current stable (5.1) can be supported by HelpServer, not by JavaFX.

Indeed, I didn't say that HelpServer is maybe not a great work-around for
the existing versions.
I just think that the goal should be a more integrated solution than having
jEdit be a web server and look at the docs with a browser.
Sometimes I don't want a browser open to save memory e. g. if on a
restricted environment, or sometimes I use jEdit via port forwarding on a
headless server where no browser is installed.

> And there is no openjdk javafx for the 3 platforms I run
> (ArchLinux, Fedora Core 19 and Mac OS 10.6).

If there is Java 7, there should be JavaFX. As far as I have it in mind the
JavaFX JAR is pure-java and thus should work on all of them, but I might be
wrong.

> Can you confirm that it also display the images, etc. referenced from
> jeditresource: urls? e.g. can it display the JavaSideKick plugin help
> icons?

I didn't check this, no.
And due to my work laptop where I did the experiments with the WebView
meeting death,
I lost what I did there and cannot easily test now.

> Note that eclipse chose to have it both ways: an embedded web server
> AND a native webview...

Well, to be honest I think Eclipse is not a nice or useable program. I hear
my colleagues rant about it on an hourly basis and each time I'm glad to
have my IntelliJ IDEA.
So Eclipse is not really a good argument for me. ;-)
But yeah, noone stops you from doing this web server as plugin, that's the
great thing at jEdit. :-)



Alan wrote:

> This is much easier to package with jEdit than JavaFX! Let's clone it in
jEdit's git, and make it integrate nice and tight.

Well, to package JavaFX is just including a JAR file. To integrate it might
need some work, yes.
But due to many reasons some of which I stated above I still think that
jEdit should provide a built-in help viewer like we have.
Especially now with the HelpViewer plugin the situation is not as bad as it
was anymore.

But as this only hits developers that want to browse the JavaDocs, as the
normal help is not affected,
I'd say we should not ship the HelpServer plugin but provide it via Plugin
Central as almost any other plugins if that was what you meant. :-)


Cheers
Björn

2014-12-03 23:38 GMT+01:00 Dale Anson <da...@da...>:

> I finally got around to trying this, wish I'd done it earlier. Really nice!
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Dale Anson <da...@da...> wrote:
>
>> Actually, it looks like there is a general outage at sourceforge at the
>> moment. I'll give it a try later.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Dale Anson <da...@da...> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I wanted to give this a try, but I'm getting an error page from
>>> sourceforge for
>>> https://sourceforge.net/u/kerik-sf/helpserver/ci/master/tree/. Any
>>> chance you can post the plugin jar somewhere easily accessible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Alan Ezust <ala...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Eric Le Lay <
>>>> ker...@us...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's all well and good, but I want my help now :-)
>>>>>
>>>> +1!
>>>>
>>>>> jEdit 5.2 depends on java 1.7 so can't depend on JavaFX.
>>>>> Even current stable (5.1) can be supported by HelpServer, not by
>>>>> JavaFX.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just tried the helpserver plugin and it is really nice!
>>>> This is much easier to package with jEdit than JavaFX! Let's clone it
>>>> in jEdit's git, and make it integrate nice and tight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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