From: Dale A. <da...@gr...> - 2006-05-29 21:24:49
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And some more comments! I'd mentioned that ErrorList and JavaSideKick will give quick error and warning messages -- this happens without any sort of compile. JavaSideKick does the first pass parse that javac does, so you'll get the same error messages. It does not check dependencies and so on, so it's pretty quick. From what I've seen of Eclipse, this is pretty similar functionality, but I don't use Eclipse, so I could be wrong. I know I've read on the Ant lists that Eclipse bundles a version of Ant, and I think it creates build files internally based on files in the project. About integrated debuggers -- I've been doing Java work since the first beta version of Java, back in 1995 (? 1996 maybe?) anyway, about 10 years. I've never found the need for a debugger. I quit using debuggers when I quit doing C and C++ work. Seriously, I've never found anything that I couldn't debug with either simple System.out.println's or perhaps a logger of some sort. I really don't see the value of having an integrated debugger for Java development, but, of course, that's just my opinion. Another thing I didn't see mentioned is SCM integration. jEdit has plugins for CVS and Perforce, and I have a set of macros that I use, but to me, this is one of the few things that I switch away from jEdit to use. I recall some time ago there was talk on this list about creating different "distributions" of jEdit, like jEdit with a bundle of plugins for Java development that would include a good set of java plugins, one for web development that would have html, php, and javascript support, and so on. I'm thinking that rather than different distributions, maybe a plugin would work. A java "IDE" plugin might include ProjectViewer, BufferList, ErrorList, Console, Antelope or AntFarm, SideKick with JavaSideKick and XML, and JavaStyle or AStyle. A J2EE "IDE" plugin might contain all of the java plugins, plus HtmlSideKick, the CSS plugin, and JavaScriptSideKick. There are a few other plugins, like Navigator, BufferLocal, JCounter, and JDiff, that are generally useful for any language and should probably be included in any such package. The parent plugin wouldn't really do anything other than define dependencies for the other plugins so everything gets installed at once. This might make it much easier for a person new to jEdit to get started. Dale On Mon, 29 May 2006, Jeffrey Hoyt wrote: > On 5/29/06, gene Campbell <gen...@ya...> wrote: >> Thanks Andy! >> >> > I don't think jEdit can or should compete on these features. Instead it >> > can >> > continue fill-in the part of the tool-suite ecosystem not already >> > well-served by the big IDE's. >> > >> OK, perhaps I'm alone on this: I want an IDE with the editing power we >> see in jEdit. Or, I wan't an editor with the IDE power we see in >> Intellij. That simple. I don't want two tools; I want one, integrated, >> tool. I'm starting to think I'm alone on this. > > I don't think you are alone. I just don't happen to see it happening. > We don't have the manpower to do all the fancy things the big IDEs > have, and the IDEs don't really have a reason to implement the level > of editing power jEdit has - features sell, and many of the powerful > features in jEdit that we've come to know and love just don't look > good enough on paper for them to be interested. > > Besides, half the stuff in the big IDEs I couldn't care less about - I > like the plugin architecture because when I develop, I have to run a > database, web server, a couple of browsers AND my development > environment. On a standard corporate laptop. A 3-year old corporate > laptop. I can't have all that stuff - my computer just won't handle > it. > > -- > They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > |