Re: [Audacity-quality] Verbosity in installer dialog.

[Vaughan J. <va...@au...>]

On 2/19/2012 4:35 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote:
> 
> 
> On 18/02/2012 22:04, Gale Andrews wrote:
>>
>> | From James Crook<cr...@in...>
>> | Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:34:53 +0000
>> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Verbosity in installer dialog.
>>> audacity-win-2.0rc1.exe
>>>
>>> (P4?)
>>>
>>> The audacity executable, which is what you get with the installer, is
>>> released under GPL.  The fact that we also use the more permissive LGPL,
>>> wxWidgets and BSD license for some source code and that this code may be
>>> found in a directory called lib-src, which you only get if you also
>>> download the source code, is only of interest to programmers who are
>>> looking at adapting the source code.  And they are not interested in it
>>> (or at least I wasn't) when they are installing Audacity to use, only
>>> when they are digging into the source code.  People who install Audacity
>>> executable don't have lib-src at all, so we really should not be
>>> demanding that they pay attention to understanding what we are talking
>>> about in the installer.
>>>
>>> This is part of user's initial impressions of Audacity.
> 
> What is displayed by the installer is LICENSE.txt, see
> InfoBeforeFile=..\LICENSE.txt
> in .iss files :-).
> 
> I'm +1 on James's idea in principle.  However in terms of 
> implementation, what we are displaying with the installer is 
> LICENSE.txt, so if we change it we lose info available to people who 
> download the source code and want to go further, which may not be the 
> right thing to do.

By "lose info" do you mean that people might not know Audacity is OSS
without that page? If so, we can simply add a descriptive sentence to
the first page. The classic would do: "Audacity® is free, open source
software for recording and editing sounds."


> 
> We do need to display the GPL though, see the last sentence of this 
> para of the GPL Preamble:
> 
> "  For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether
> gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that
> you have.  You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the
> source code.  And you must show them these terms so they know their
> rights."

We already decided a while ago that linking to the website is sufficient
for supplying the source code. I think we can do the same for the license.

I still think that rather than trimming out the lib-src comments there,
we just eliminate the license page in the installer. :-)

- V


> 
> Comments on that or an alternative implementation?  A LICENSE1.txt 
> file with the bits we are cutting out?
> 
>>
>> I would trim it less drastically and make LICENSE.txt the same as
>> the trimmed text.
> 
> see above.
> 
> And no need for "please see here for that".
> 
> Indeed, but is perhaps better English than a hanging URL.
> 
>>
>> -1 to the more drastic removal and mismatch with LICENSE.txt.
>> My text:
>>
>> "Note: Audacity is distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
>>
>>   Some code (in the lib-src directory in the sources) may be
>>   released under a different,  GPL-compatible license). Please
>>   see the README.txt file and the license details inside each
>>   subdirectory of lib-src.
> 
> This rather misses James's point that we don't need to display the 
> stuff about other licences to the average user, since it is irrelevant 
> to them, and indeed to the licence of what they are installing.
> 
> TTFN
> Martyn
> 
>>   Documentation is distributed under the Creative Commons license.
>>   http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode "
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>>> (then preamble and amble of GPL)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the proposed new version:
>>>
>>> "Audacity is free software distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
>>>
>>> Documentation is distributed under the Creative Commons license.
>>> Please see here for that:
>>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode"
>>>
>>> (then preamble and amble of GPL)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IF we have to respin the installer for some other reason, THEN I would
>>> like us to get this change in.
>>>
>>> Please +1 or -1.
>>>
>>> --James.
>>
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