Re: [Audacity-quality] Proposal to rationalize and improve Normalize, Amplify & DC
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From: Bill W. <bi...@go...> - 2011-06-03 15:30:12
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+1 to all five points. -- Bill On 3-Jun-11, at 11:25 AM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: > On the following points I think that all of the points have been made > at least once, so could we have a vote on: > > 1) Normalize should be able to do stereo (linked channel) normalizing. > 2) The current behaviour (normalize stereo channels independently) > should be preserved as an option. > 3) Appropriate wording for such an option is: "Normalize stereo > channels independently" > 4) If consensus is reached that it should be an option, the default > should be OFF (stereo track normalized as one track) > 5) The minus sign should be moved from the GUI into the text box. > > If we have consensus, or at least a substantial majority in favour of > these changes, could someone make those changes so as to avoid a > further three years of prevarication. > > My votes are +1 for items 1, 3, 4 and 5. > For item 2 I am happy to go with the majority decision. > > For anyone that wishes to vote but has not read all of the arguments, > please see: > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Proposal_Normalize > and > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_Normalize > > Steve > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Peter Sampson <pet...@ya... > > wrote: >> Martyn wrote: >>> And as Gale points out, the majority of pop music (that people may >>> be >>> dealing with) is so compressed these days that the imperfect >>> 'rebalancing' may help some. >> >> But the problem is that we "help" them in a very un-transparent >> way. Most >> folk have no idea what Normalize is doing to their stereo pair - >> and when >> they do find out most of them are shocked and some of them cross. >> So I'm in >> favour of making it a more transparent process. Putting in the >> option >> check-box to enable users to choose whether or not to have their >> stereo >> channels separately should at least make them aware of what's going >> on and >> furthermore would give them a choice (and all of this without >> removing any >> current functionality. >> >> BTW we're not all doing only pop music - a lot of the vinyl I >> converted were >> chamber music and small jazz combos with stereo sound stages that >> had been >> cleverly and expertly constructed by the sound engineers. I'm glad >> that I >> found out about current Normalize behaviour before I mangled them >> through >> that. >> >> >> Gale wrote: >>> So I don't "think" anyone changing the >>> code to just add stereo normalizing would incur disfavour. The only >>> thing I'm calling a "bug" though is the minus sign in the >>> Normalize >GUI. >> >> But surely while someone is in that are of the code fixing the >> "minus sign >> bug" that would be an ideally opportune time to also add the stereo >> normalizing functionality and check-box, or am I wrong here? >> >> Thanks, >> Peter. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> >> To: aud...@li... >> Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 7:54:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audacity-quality] Proposal to rationalize and improve >> Normalize, Amplify & DC >> >> >> | From Martyn Shaw <mar...@gm...> >> | Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:25:09 +0100 >> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Proposal to rationalize and improve >> Normalize, Amplify & DC >>> Responding, since my name was mentioned... >>> >>> On 31/05/2011 03:05, Vaughan Johnson wrote: >>> <snip> >>>> I believe Martyn did recently explicitly say he wanted to remove >>>> the >>>> ability to normalize stereo channels independently. And I hope >>>> he's now >>>> convinced otherwise. Great respect to Martyn, but I think that >>>> was too >>>> much of a feature elimination. >>> </snip> >>> >>> We don't always get what we want in this world. I'd only allow >>> stereo >>> normalisation, and make the 'random on peaks' stereo-unbalancing >>> 'feature' a several-step procedure, if people really want that. >>> But I >>> can put up with telling my students how to do it 'properly' with the >>> options available, if the bogus 'loss of functionality' / 'feature >>> elimination' is unacceptable to the majority. >>> >>> And as Gale points out, the majority of pop music (that people may >>> be >>> dealing with) is so compressed these days that the imperfect >>> 'rebalancing' may help some. >>> >>> Opinionated, but not changing the code atm >> >> As far as I can tell, everyone either supports an option to do stereo >> normalizing (or doesn't oppose such an option as long as you can >> still do stereo "rebalancing"). So I don't "think" anyone changing >> the >> code to just add stereo normalizing would incur disfavour. The only >> thing I'm calling a "bug" though is the minus sign in the Normalize >> GUI. >> >> >> >> >> Gale >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with >> vRanger. >> Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data >> is safe, >> secure and there when you need it. 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