Re: [Audacity-devel] Preferences images for Manual Wiki

[Gale A. <ga...@au...>]

| From Richard Ash <ri...@au...> 
| Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:28:19 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences images for Manual Wiki
|  > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 07:08 +0000, Gale Andrews wrote:
> > > > Should we have frames for images always? A section that says "The 
> > > > Selection Bar" , then an image underneath with a frame underneath that 
> > > > saying "The Selection Bar" is overkill isn't it?   
> > > > http://www.audacityteam.org/manual/index.php?title=Selecting#The_Selection_Bar
> > > 
> > > I've no problem with that, but equally if you want to get a style guide 
> > > together that says when to use the frame/caption and when not, that 
> > > would be good too.
> > 
> > If there is a need to reinforce a point that isn't obvious from just looking at 
> > the image, frames are fine, and I can see examples now where they are
> > used well e.g. you can get some idea of the page content just by
> > scanning the images and associated frame text. I just don't want to feel
> > that we always have to use them in a simple case like the above. 
> 
> How does that leave us for alt-text? At the moment images with a frame
> and a caption have the caption as alt-text, but images without just have
> the image name as the alt-text. This isn't very good for people trying
> to use text-mode browsers or screen readers on the manual.
> 
> It's quite easy to hide the display of the caption whilst keeping the
> frame - just put another pipe character right before the closing ]], as
> I've done with the first image on
> http://www.audacityteam.org/manual/index.php?title=Selecting#The_Selection_Bar
> 
> Unfortunately that doesn't set the alt text at all, which is even less
> use - mediawiki bug?

You did not get the alt text because of the redundant extra pipe. If you
don't want a frame but do want alt text, leave out "frame" but specify
the alt text thus:

[[Image:Test.png|Testing view of the interface]]


> Whilst I'm trying to read the manual, can we do something about
> navigation? Currently if you aren't logged in, there isn't any. We have
> a big empty side-bar with only a search box. Should there not be at
> least a link to the top of the manual and maybe the top level sections
> (whatever they become).

Presumably Buanzo could change this as on the main Wiki you can still
see the sidebar without being logged in. Don't you want to set the 
"Remember me" cookie when you log in? Then you will be logged in 
automatically on next visit.

>I think it's the colours that look odd at first glance to me - it
> looked rather like a very off colour monitor, which is impossible.

Quite happy to re-upload if the colour upsets someone. I prefer that 
green to MS grey but all this is personal. I supppose you might argue if
we make a small note on the front page that images are Windows unless
stated, it "should" look like some MS default scheme. That said, the
text on the images looks sharper to me on green than with the MS grey as
background. 

If I might say so, your predominantly grey Audio Files image looks sort of 
"dated" to me, though at the moment we are using yours, not mine as
agreed (and it's no problem for me at all). 


>> if you do 
>> [[Image.png|200px|center|alt text]] 
> >the image should scale but it doesn't).
> Do you not have to specify either thumb or frame for that to work? 

No. On the main Wiki images scale with the syntax above without 
specifying frame or thumb. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax

Setting frame or thumb on Manual Wiki still does not allow images to
scale. 


Gale