Re: [Audacity-devel] Release Checklist & 'OK Cancel' button order

[<Mar...@ao...>]

Vaughan
 
Sincere apologies for my hastiness, I should have waited and heeded the  
advice I sought.  I thought it would take me longer and did not intend to  do it 
last night, but then just thought I'd take a 'quick look' and before I  knew 
it, it was done.  I just wanted them all the same.
 
I can see what you are saying and see that, for example, 
_http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-utility.html#windows-explicit-apply_ 
(http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-utility.html#windows-expli
cit-apply)  agrees  with you.
 
What would be a suitable time period to wait for comments before I change  
them all back?  Is there anything else that needs doing in this area at the  
same time?  I noticed that the borders around the buttons and the spacer  between 
Preview and the others is not always the same; is this a choice or  accident?
 
Is it possible to 'undo' that particular commit?
 
Again, sorry.
Martyn
 
In a message dated 27/06/2007 07:47:19 GMT Standard Time,  
va...@au... writes:
Okay, Martyn, my Caps Lock is off for this  msg. I was just primed 
because I didn't understand why somebody had bothered  to change the 
order for 5 of the 18, as you noticed, rather than just assume  somebody 
had put all 18 in that consistent OK-at-bottom-right order for a  reason 
(much less look up the reason). And of course, I can look up who it  was, 
but blame is pointless -- I just want it resolved right, in terms of  
general usability.

And then you decided, with no feedback, to change  them all to the 
minority decision, based on a putative "standard" of Windows  apps, and 
that made me pop. Heck, Microsoft can't even decide on consistent  
keyboard shortcuts between Word and Excel after all these (20?!)  years.

I know it's easy to change them back, but let's please make these  
choices with some rationality and discussion, rather than check  
something in and then (I hope) check in the reversal.

To wit, several  of the bugs I mentioned recently (but didn't elaborate) 
have to do with  editing and tabbing among labels, which I now find 
really difficult to use.  I'm glad we're now discussing those changes on 
the list. I realize the  "standards" are far less clear on multiple 
platforms, and without question,  we should stay committed to 
cross-platform usability. I'm all for committing  up a "straw man" for 
discussion on new features, but when a semi-arbitrary  or personal 
preference decision is instituted, contradicting something  already in 
place and consistent, it's good to make it explicit to the list  (which 
you did do!)... for discussion before we make changes, or release  it.

Thanks,
Vaughan


Vaughan Johnson wrote:
> NO, I  very much think NOT! If you bothered to ask the list, why 
> couldn't you  wait even an hour for a response?!
>
> - V
>
>
>  Mar...@ao... wrote:
>> I just went ahead and made them all the  same.  Is that OK?
>>  
>> Martyn
>>   
>> In a message dated 27/06/2007 00:39:05 GMT Standard Time,   
>> Mar...@ao... writes:
>> Hi
>>
>>  I've been looking for something to do on  the 
>>  http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Release_Checklist and 
>>  thought  I'd look at 'Fix Button order in Click-pop  Fx.'
>>
>> I see that in the Effects  menu there are 13  items with 'Cancel OK' 
>> and 5 with 'OK Cancel'.  I think   they should all be the same.
>>
>> Now I know this has been  discussed here  before, and I'm sure there 
>> are differing  opinions.  I believe that 'OK  Cancel (Something...) 
>>  (Help)' is pretty standard on Windows.  Shall I  change them all to  
>> that?  Or rather '(Preview) OK Cancel (Help)' in our   case.
>>
>> TTFN
>>  Martyn
>>
>>    
>

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