Thread: Re: [Audacity-devel] Spending $$$ on graphics, T-shirts
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From: Daniel J. <da...@mo...> - 2003-05-29 08:42:43
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> I'm in favor > of supporting Harvey, since he gave me a huge discount on the > original ($60 instead of his normal price of $240 for such a > logo). But I admit that we might be able to find another > talented Photoshopper or Gimper who could duplicate the logo > for less. You need vector artwork for a logo job - then you can scale it to any=20 size you need, and produce the colour separations for screen or litho=20 printing. If you're paying for four colours you can can use the CMYK=20 model (cyan, magenta, yellow, black) and print any colours you like.=20 But four spot colours may give you a bolder result. The standard tools for this on Mac/Windows are Adobe Illustrator or=20 Corel Draw; on Linux you have a number of alternatives, including=20 Sketch. John, the drummer in our band, is a talented illustrator. You could=20 send him the Photoshop file and see what he thinks. His email is joh...@jc... - I've cc'd him. It would help to know what the font in the logo is, and if you wanted=20 to keep it exactly the same, or interpret it to suit a T-shirt=20 better. Did you get your quotes for single-sided printing, Dominic? You might=20 want print on the back, or on the sleeve, but it might cost more.=20 Best to decide before you figure out the design.=20 =20 Cheers Daniel |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-29 17:00:09
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Daniel James wrote: >>I'm in favor >>of supporting Harvey, since he gave me a huge discount on the >>original ($60 instead of his normal price of $240 for such a >>logo). But I admit that we might be able to find another >>talented Photoshopper or Gimper who could duplicate the logo >>for less. > > > You need vector artwork for a logo job - then you can scale it to any > size you need, and produce the colour separations for screen or litho > printing. If you're paying for four colours you can can use the CMYK > model (cyan, magenta, yellow, black) and print any colours you like. > But four spot colours may give you a bolder result. Actually the plan was to go with red, yellow, blue, black - there's no reason not to do the separation using any primary colors you want if you do the separation yourself. But you're right about spot colors. > The standard tools for this on Mac/Windows are Adobe Illustrator or > Corel Draw; on Linux you have a number of alternatives, including > Sketch. > > John, the drummer in our band, is a talented illustrator. You could > send him the Photoshop file and see what he thinks. His email is > joh...@jc... - I've cc'd him. http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd > It would help to know what the font in the logo is, and if you wanted > to keep it exactly the same, or interpret it to suit a T-shirt > better. Yes, if we made it more stylistic, with less 3-D effect and shadow, it would be easier (and cheaper) to put onto the T-shirt. We could do it with just 3 spot colors then: blue, yellow, and red. Also, even if we do a vector logo for the T-shirt, eventually we'll probably want a large bitmap logo for other uses. (This is of course assuming that you can't get identical looking effects using Illustrator. Feel free to prove me wrong.) > Did you get your quotes for single-sided printing, Dominic? You might > want print on the back, or on the sleeve, but it might cost more. > Best to decide before you figure out the design. He said we could put the URL on the back virtually for free. - Dominic > Cheers > > Daniel > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-30 01:58:11
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Update: Harvey says he can't do the Audacity logo in Illustrator, because the bevels and blurred drop shadows can only be done in Photoshop (or another bitmap program). I agree. If we have a vector logo it will have to be stylized and it will not look the same. I'd prefer a bitmapped logo that's at such a high resolution that we can scale it as large as we want without worrying about pixelation. Options: 1. Pay Harvey Lubin $150 to make a new bitmapped logo at 16x the size (4x horizontally and vertically). 2. Make Harvey Lubin an offer of a little less money plus more prominent advertising of his company on our website. 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going with Harvey Lubin is that we _know_ he knows how to do it. The results are guaranteed. 4. Find someone else to do a stylized vector logo. I don't have a problem not going with Harvey in this case, since we're looking for something essentially different. But I'm wary of paying something as high as $150 unless we have some sort of guarantee that we're going to like it. I'd feel more comfortable with an Audacity user who'd be willing to do it for free, or paying a pro like Harvey who has a large online portfolio that we can look at before hiring. One last thought to ponder: We have more than $550. We can afford the $150. The T-shirts are a separate issue, since they can pay for themselves. I'd like to hear from more people on the list. What do you think? - Dominic |
From: Dave F. <dav...@at...> - 2003-05-30 03:36:59
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On Thursday 29 May 2003 06:54 pm, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > 4. Find someone else to do a stylized vector logo. I don't have a > problem not going with Harvey in this case, since we're looking > for something essentially different. But I'm wary of paying > something as high as $150 unless we have some sort of guarantee > that we're going to like it. I'd feel more comfortable with > an Audacity user who'd be willing to do it for free, or paying > a pro like Harvey who has a large online portfolio that we can > look at before hiring. I'm not the greatest in graphic design, but I can take a crack at it, maybe this weekend sometime. Lately I've been doing all my work in Blender, but I can whip out something with the GIMP. (I might even be persuaded to boot into Windows and use photoshop if there's a compelling reason) Here's some URLs where I was very much confined by the president of the company: (luckily I don't work there anymore, also they have to be on a white background to be seen clearly, which was one of the the stupid limitations I was given :( ) http://www.engagent.com/images/ELS/ELS_logomedium.GIF http://www.engagent.com/images/ELV/eventlogview.GIF Here's one that's more freestyle, but had a huge time limitation: http://www.belredweb.com/images/belredweblogo2.gif I don't have immediate access to anything else I've done, since I haven't posted much, nor am I a professional graphic artist. :) I prefer to work in 3d these days, but I'm willing to take a crack at anything. I'm also a firm believer in cutting costs. With a free software project, it seems like the ideal way to go is to generate the graphics and design of the shirt within the community and then only pay for production, which as Dominic pointed out, pays for itself. It makes the shirt more genuine for the users, as well as expressing the personality and character of the community, rather than some paid-for graphic artist. Dave > One last thought to ponder: We have more than $550. We can afford > the $150. The T-shirts are a separate issue, since they can pay > for themselves. > > I'd like to hear from more people on the list. What do you think? > > - Dominic > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel -- "I slipped inside the oval office, I slipped in oh so fast, Grabbed the president by the necktie And wiped my funky ass, hey" -Soulhat, "Bonecrusher" |
From: Lee A. <le...@fa...> - 2003-05-30 05:28:02
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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity > logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't > think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do > it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much noticable quality loss. -lee |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-30 07:32:49
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Lee Azzarello wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > >>3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going > > What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have > software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much noticable > quality loss. I'd like to see this! The original is here: http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd - Dominic > -lee > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel |
From: <arn...@t-...> - 2003-05-30 12:50:53
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Dominic, if you like look at this whether you consider that being t-shirt quality, or tell me why it is not: http://www.oase.udk-berlin.de/~arno/Audacity-logo-400t.psd Arno On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:35:44 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni <do...@mi...> wrote: > Lee Azzarello wrote: >> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: >> >>> 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >>> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >>> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >>> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going >> >> What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have >> software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much >> noticable >> quality loss. > > I'd like to see this! The original is here: > > http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd > > - Dominic > >> -lee >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-devel mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel > > -- |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-30 16:23:25
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Arno Waschk wrote: > Dominic, > > if you like look at this whether you consider that being t-shirt > quality, or tell me why it is not: > > http://www.oase.udk-berlin.de/~arno/Audacity-logo-400t.psd It appears that you just rescaled the image and smoothed it, right? - Dominic > Arno > > > On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:35:44 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni > <do...@mi...> wrote: > >> Lee Azzarello wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: >>> >>>> 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >>>> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >>>> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >>>> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going >>> >>> >>> What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have >>> software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much >>> noticable >>> quality loss. >> >> >> I'd like to see this! The original is here: >> >> http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd >> >> - Dominic >> >>> -lee >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-devel mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >> >> > > > |
From: <arn...@t-...> - 2003-05-30 19:26:22
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Hm, kind of, if that's not what you can use then never mind... Arno On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:04:48 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni <do...@mi...> wrote: > Arno Waschk wrote: >> Dominic, >> >> if you like look at this whether you consider that being t-shirt >> quality, or tell me why it is not: >> >> http://www.oase.udk-berlin.de/~arno/Audacity-logo-400t.psd > > It appears that you just rescaled the image and smoothed it, right? > > - Dominic > >> Arno >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:35:44 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni >> <do...@mi...> wrote: >> >>> Lee Azzarello wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: >>>> >>>>> 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >>>>> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >>>>> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >>>>> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have >>>> software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much >>>> noticable >>>> quality loss. >>> >>> >>> I'd like to see this! The original is here: >>> >>> http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd >>> >>> - Dominic >>> >>>> -lee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>>> Aud...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel > > -- |
From: <arn...@t-...> - 2003-05-30 19:28:58
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P. S. producing a significantly better-quality-result requires lot more work AFAICT... On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:04:48 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni <do...@mi...> wrote: > Arno Waschk wrote: >> Dominic, >> >> if you like look at this whether you consider that being t-shirt >> quality, or tell me why it is not: >> >> http://www.oase.udk-berlin.de/~arno/Audacity-logo-400t.psd > > It appears that you just rescaled the image and smoothed it, right? > > - Dominic > >> Arno >> >> >> On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:35:44 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni >> <do...@mi...> wrote: >> >>> Lee Azzarello wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: >>>> >>>>> 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >>>>> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >>>>> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >>>>> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have >>>> software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much >>>> noticable >>>> quality loss. >>> >>> >>> I'd like to see this! The original is here: >>> >>> http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd >>> >>> - Dominic >>> >>>> -lee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>>> Aud...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay > Get office equipment for less on eBay! > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel > > -- |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-30 21:11:28
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Arno Waschk wrote: > P. S. producing a significantly better-quality-result requires lot more > work AFAICT... Agreed. This is why the original artist wanted $150 - he said it would take him at least 3 hours because he'd be redrawing the entire picture from scratch at a larger scale, using the smaller one as a guide to keep the geometry consistent. - Dominic > On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:04:48 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni > <do...@mi...> wrote: > >> Arno Waschk wrote: >> >>> Dominic, >>> >>> if you like look at this whether you consider that being t-shirt >>> quality, or tell me why it is not: >>> >>> http://www.oase.udk-berlin.de/~arno/Audacity-logo-400t.psd >> >> >> It appears that you just rescaled the image and smoothed it, right? >> >> - Dominic >> >>> Arno >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:35:44 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni >>> <do...@mi...> wrote: >>> >>>> Lee Azzarello wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 3. Find someone else to do a large bitmap version of the Audacity >>>>>> logo. Daniel's friend John offered to do it for $130, but I don't >>>>>> think there's much point in paying someone else unless they'll do >>>>>> it substantially cheaper, like $50 or less. The advantage of going >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is the resolution and dimentions of the final output? I have >>>>> software that can scale small bitmaps by over 1000% without much >>>>> noticable >>>>> quality loss. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd like to see this! The original is here: >>>> >>>> http://spaghetticode.org/Audacity-logo.psd >>>> >>>> - Dominic >>>> >>>>> -lee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>>>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>>>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >>>> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >>>> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Audacity-devel mailing list >>>> Aud...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay >> Get office equipment for less on eBay! >> http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-devel mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >> >> > > > |
From: Daniel J. <da...@mo...> - 2003-05-30 08:19:15
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> I'm not positive that the logo could be reproduced 100% using > just Illustrator - I thought that some of the blurring and 3-D > effects could only be done once converted to bitmap like Photoshop. You can do 3D stuff in vector graphics, but you might be right about=20 the blur. Whether you want it to look blurry on the T-shirt is=20 another matter. As for making vector art from bitmaps, I used to use Adobe Streamline=20 for this: http://www.adobe.com/products/streamline/main.html It can save time, but it's no replacement for a professional=20 illustrator! I'd understand if John wants to charge for this job, as=20 graphics are the way he makes his living.=20 Most organisations I've worked with have a vector version of the logo=20 as the standard, from which bitmaps are made as required. Because of=20 printing costs, the trend is away from lots of colours towards=20 simplicity - the BBC (for example) moved from a logo with RGB colour=20 bars to black on white.=20 The original Apple logo (with lots of stripey colours) is held up as a=20 classic example of how not to do it. They've also changed to a=20 monochrome logo. =20 Cheers Daniel |
From: Alexandre P. <av...@al...> - 2003-05-29 11:27:15
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On Thu, 29 May 2003 09:45:26 +0100 Daniel James <da...@mo...> wrote: > > I'm in favor > > of supporting Harvey, since he gave me a huge discount on the > > original ($60 instead of his normal price of $240 for such a > > logo). But I admit that we might be able to find another > > talented Photoshopper or Gimper who could duplicate the logo > > for less. > > You need vector artwork for a logo job - then you can scale it to > any size you need, and produce the colour separations for screen > or litho printing. If you're paying for four colours you can can > use the CMYK model (cyan, magenta, yellow, black) and print any > colours you like. But four spot colours may give you a bolder > result. > > The standard tools for this on Mac/Windows are Adobe Illustrator > or Corel Draw; on Linux you have a number of alternatives, > including Sketch. > > John, the drummer in our band, is a talented illustrator. You > could send him the Photoshop file and see what he thinks. His > email is joh...@jc... - I've cc'd him. Dominic, I'd like to take a look too -- not for making it instead of John, just for my curiousity. -- Alexandre Prokoudine ALT Linux Documentation Team JabberID: av...@al... |