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Re: bind8 user config problem

[Kenneth P. <sh...@we...>]

Ran into another one. I've been using Webmin's bind module as just a
viewer for now, until I figure out how to add DDNS support. Meanwhile,
I removed a zone (10.in-addr.arpa) that was in the set of zones I was
allowing myself to edit, and added a couple of other zones (both
forwarders, one a forward domain and one a reverse), by editing
named.conf. When I looked at the result with webmin ("Existing DNS
Zones"), I saw the old "10" zone and not the two new ones. Clicking on
the old zone resulted in a Perl error page with the name of one of the
new zones and this message: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH
reference at /usr/libexec/webmin/bind8/edit_master.cgi line 28. It
looks like the module isn't cross-checking the information from the
webmin config files against the current state of the BIND config files.
(This was after restarting webmin, which was necessary to get your
updated bind module recognized.)

When webmin is populating the list of zones one is allowed to edit, it
should remove any no longer in named.conf. If the user is only allowed
to edit selected zones, webmin should not include any new zones.

BTW, is there some way to provide "read-only" access to a zone? I'd
like to permit some users to inspect a zone but not to change it.

Ken
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Re: bind8 user config problem

[Kenneth P. <sh...@we...>]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:20:59 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:

>(Note, don't use Opera: it has a bug in its
>handling of <SELECT>. It always selects the first listbox <option>,
>ignoring the "selected" attribute.)

BTW, thanks to having the BIND8 page as an example, this let me (I
think) track down the syntax that strokes the Opera bug. Looks like
Opera doesn't like <SELECT> inside <TABLE>. If I move the <SELECT>
outside the <TABLE>, it paints correctly, with the right options
getting selected. I just submitted an extract from the BIND8 page to
the Opera guys so they can get this fixed. (The same bug affects
Bugzilla users.)

Ken
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Re: bind8 user config problem

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Kenneth Porter wrote:
> 
> Using 0.87.
> 
> I tried restricting the set of domains I could edit by selecting
> "selected zones", selecting a subset of zones in the listbox and
> saving. Returning to the user config page, I found that the radio
> buttons were set to "all zones", although the zones in the list box
> retained their selection. (Note, don't use Opera: it has a bug in its
> handling of <SELECT>. It always selects the first listbox <option>,
> ignoring the "selected" attribute.)
> 
> Just looked at the source for this page and see this:
> 
> <input type=radio name=zones_def value=1 checked> All zones<br>
> <input type=radio name=zones_def value=0 > Selected zones..<br>
> <input type=radio name=zones_def value=2 > All except selected..</td>
> 
> I note that the values are not in order. Could be a related symptom,
> like the wrong text is being attached to the options.

Damn, you're right .. I have posted an update to
http://www.webmin.com/webmin/updates.html that fixes this problem.

 - Jamie

Has some modules for iptables here?

[qianxb <qi...@gn...>]

I need it.
thx.
:)

Yours Sincerely
Qian X.B.

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bind8 user config problem

[Kenneth P. <sh...@we...>]

Using 0.87.

I tried restricting the set of domains I could edit by selecting
"selected zones", selecting a subset of zones in the listbox and
saving. Returning to the user config page, I found that the radio
buttons were set to "all zones", although the zones in the list box
retained their selection. (Note, don't use Opera: it has a bug in its
handling of <SELECT>. It always selects the first listbox <option>,
ignoring the "selected" attribute.)

Just looked at the source for this page and see this:

<input type=radio name=zones_def value=1 checked> All zones<br>
<input type=radio name=zones_def value=0 > Selected zones..<br>
<input type=radio name=zones_def value=2 > All except selected..</td>

I note that the values are not in order. Could be a related symptom,
like the wrong text is being attached to the options.

Ken
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Patch for 0.87 Spec file

[Kenneth P. <sh...@we...>]

Had to tweak the spec file for 0.87.

The first tweak is to get rid of the redundant variable definitions at
the top. These are already handled by the equivalent directives. For
example, you don't need "%define version" if you have "Version:".

The second tweak is that the macros need to be all lower-case, not
leading capitals. %{BuildRoot} doesn't work. The "BuildRoot:" directive
will automatically define %{buildroot} and this is what should get used
everywhere. (The directive will NOT redefine the macro if the macro is
already defined, such as in the packager's private macros file. This is
the desired behavior, so the packager can override settings in the spec
file.)

Tweak 3 is the addition of "BuildArchitectures: noarch". Since webmin
is all scripts, no binaries, it makes no sense to make it a i386
package.

I'm attaching a diff of the resulting spec file against the original.

BTW, if you want to check your RPM macros, just add this to the top of
your %prep section:

%dump
exit 1

This will dump all your macro settings and immediately exit without
building anything.

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Re: Writing a module - web-lib.pl

[Joe C. <jo...@sw...>]

Yes, the $text trick is how localization is achieved.

I learned a lot from the Squid module, but I chose it to learn from just 
because I know the Squid configuration file and stuff so well that the 
purpose of everything was immediately apparent.  The Apache module is 
probably the most impressive piece of code in Webmin (IMHO), but it's 
too clever for my modest Perl abilities.  For simple, try 'time', 
perhaps?  It looks pretty simple from my perspective.

Isn't there already an ipfw module out there?  Maybe I misremember.

Anyway, Tim's IPChains module is a very nicely implemented firewall 
module, which might be worth checking out for ideas (and maybe even bits 
of code--it's GPL so you can borrow from it).

Bek Oberin wrote:

> Bek Oberin wrote:
> 
>>I'll head over to the devel list just as soon as I find the address
>>for it.
>>
> 
> Oh look, I found it.  G'day folks and non-folks.  I'm new to webmin
> but old to Perl, so hopefully I won't be asking ALL stupid questions.
> 
> I'm only really here becasue a friend wanted a Webmin module to do
> ipfw stuff for FreeBSD and offered me money to write it :)  Had never
> used webmin before and now I'm writing a module.  Crash course in
> going nuts!
> 
> I don't quite get the whole %text thing, I traced it back to load_language
> but should -every- string I output be output through $text{'string'} or
> what?  I looked at the ipf_admin module and that's what they seemed
> to be doing.
> 
> What's the -simplest- module you guys can cthink of that I should get
> a look at so I can see how things work?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> bekj

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Re: Writing a module - web-lib.pl

[Bek O. <gos...@te...>]

Bek Oberin wrote:
> I'll head over to the devel list just as soon as I find the address
> for it.

Oh look, I found it.  G'day folks and non-folks.  I'm new to webmin
but old to Perl, so hopefully I won't be asking ALL stupid questions.

I'm only really here becasue a friend wanted a Webmin module to do
ipfw stuff for FreeBSD and offered me money to write it :)  Had never
used webmin before and now I'm writing a module.  Crash course in
going nuts!

I don't quite get the whole %text thing, I traced it back to load_language
but should -every- string I output be output through $text{'string'} or
what?  I looked at the ipf_admin module and that's what they seemed
to be doing.

What's the -simplest- module you guys can cthink of that I should get
a look at so I can see how things work?


Thanks in advance,
bekj

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Re: Writing a module - web-lib.pl

[Bek O. <gos...@te...>]

jca...@we... wrote:
> Bek Oberin <gos...@te...> wrote ..
> > Is the stuf in web-lib.pl for Webmin .86 properly documented
> > anywhere?
> > I've been hired to write a module, never having written one
> > before, and I'm getting there slowly but it's confusing me.
> Have a look at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/modules.html
> All the functions are documented in there ..

Thanks, that's what I needed.

> > Is there, for example, a standard function to add or remove
> > a line from a specificied place in a file?  Seems like that
> > would be handy.
> The best way to do this is with the &read_file_lines and
> &flush_file_lines functions. For example, to insert a line you
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> $lines = &read_file_lines("/tmp/somefile.txt");
> splice(@$line, 10, 0, "hello world");
> &flush_file_lines();

Beaaaaauty!  As the Aussies say :)  That's what I needed.

I'll head over to the devel list just as soon as I find the address
for it.


bekj

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Re: problem running &init_config

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:02:34PM -0700, Nick Jennings wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  I've been working on creating an advanced theme for webmin. I'm having
>  a problem in that with one module I am starting on, the simple use
>  of &init_config sends web-lib.pl in an endless loop, crashing my machine
>  if I do not kill it soon enough.
> 
>  Is there any clause in the code that will re-execute itself in any 
>  circumstance?

Ah, I found the problem. The user didn't have correct perms to enter the
category, and so the error function was called with calls the header
function. Which I've patched to allow table based menu display. I renamed
the old header function to header_common and a new one to header_table and
the header function tries to determin which to call. It puked on the
error calling in and hence, got another error (I believe). I have
error call header_common directly now and things work again. :)

> 
> -- 
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problem running &init_config

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

Hello,

 I've been working on creating an advanced theme for webmin. I'm having
 a problem in that with one module I am starting on, the simple use
 of &init_config sends web-lib.pl in an endless loop, crashing my machine
 if I do not kill it soon enough.

 Is there any clause in the code that will re-execute itself in any 
 circumstance?

-- 
  Nick Jennings

module unable to start process

[Adhamh F. <ad...@ap...>]

I'm working on a module that needs to start and stop a process.   The 
module stops the process fine, but it won't start the process.

In my loaderControlStart.cgi file I have the following line:

open (dialogLoaderd, "sudo -u dialog /Applications/dialogLoaderd|");

This does not start the process, but I don't see any errors when the 
page finishes loading.

If I put this same exact line into a perl script and run it from the 
command line the dialogLoaderd process starts up with no problems.

Could someone explain what I am missing?

Thanks,
-- 

Adhamh Findlay
Support Engineer
Apple iServices Technical Support
Apple Computer, Inc.

Webmin for NT

[Mark R. <Ma...@gu...>]

Now please don't all leap down my throat, but has anyone ever attempted
to get webmin to run on NT in any shape....I ask because I (and a couple)
of other people), are looking at writing a module for Big Brother
(monitoring
software) as the guy who is supposed to be writing it seems to have
disappeared.

Some of the folk who run BB do so under NT. So to avoid them having to
install a 
Unix box somewhere.(not that that would be a bad idea per se) .....

If anyone has tried this and got anywhere, I would grateful for some clues
as to how painful a process this is.

Thanks 

Mark Rowlands

Re: cvs repository

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

If you use sourceforge's cvs and you are the only developer then by default 
anyone can co a read-only version of the current cvs and only you can 
add/change.  Only if you give a perticular devloper access can they make 
changes to it.

-Benjamin


On Tuesday 19 June 2001 18:56, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> > couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> > current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to
> > use the sourceforge cvs?
>
> As other people have mentioned, there is no CVS repository for webmin yet.
> What I might do in future is setup a kind of read-only CVS so that people
> can download the very latest version from sourceforge, but I am kind of
> reluctant to move to a full read-write repository in which multiple people
> can make updates.
>
> This is because almost all of the current development is done by me, and
> there doesn't seem to be any problem with people submitting patches by
> email. Also, there is plenty of scope for developing modules that themes
> that are totally separate from the core code ..
>
>  - Jamie
>
> -
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RE: miniserv.pl hangs on module update

[Curtis D. <Cu...@Gr...>]

>> >> I seem to have recently acquired a bug where I cannot do a remote url
>> >> install of a module.
>> >>
>> >> So anyway, miniserv.pl is still hanging. Endless hourglass when
>> >I attempt to
>> >> install a module from local or remote source. It looks like
>> >miniserv.pl is
>> >> spinning and enlessly spawning rm, over and over. Any ideas on
>> >how to debug?
>> >
>> >Odd .. what module were you trying to remotely install?
>>
>> I've figured it out. This problem stems from an earlier patch I
>submitted to
>> Jamie that overloads stat with objects via the File::stat
>module. (I prefer
>> $foo->mtime to $foo[4].) Anyways, what happened was inside
>&tempname() where
>> it never exited the while(1) loop because the array was actually
>an object
>> an thus it was never seeing the permissions it expected to see.
>>
>> I've updated the patch to use File::stat without overloading, and the
>> problem went away. That module is part of the standard perl
>distribution so
>> I can only hope Jamie will consider it.
>
>I'm a bit reluctant to use perl modules when there is already a built-in
>function for doing the same thing, in order to cut down on load time and
>to make it easier for people to run webmin on stripped-down
>versions of perl.

I understand. Performance is very important. My preference is always for
code that is readable and self-documenting. That said, the difference
between $inode[9] and $inode->mtime isn't that big. B'sides, he who knows
what an hell an inode and an mtime is, probably already learned the numbered
elements in stat(). ;)

>> However &tmpname() still needed some serious help, so I rewrote
>it. Some of
>> it is shamelessly swiped from the FAQ. ;) Attached is the patch.
>
>Your patch basically does the same thing as the existing
>tempname() function,
>just using File::stat right (apart from removing all my hard-coded
>uses of /tmp :-)

It achieves the same purpose. And the patch is cumulative. Addtional changes
are:
	- will get TMP from the environment if not /tmp (cross-platform futures?)
	- system call now explicit, doesn't use PATH (security?)
	- bail out counter in until() instead of while(1) loop (safety?)
	- enhancement to make_date() I sent you awhile back
	- further extension to our module versioning idea
	- extra security on diffs we talked about previously

I think that's the jist. But I assuume you already caught those from the
source and my comments therein.

../C

Re: miniserv.pl hangs on module update

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Curtis Doty wrote:
> 
> >> I seem to have recently acquired a bug where I cannot do a remote url
> >> install of a module.
> >>
> >> So anyway, miniserv.pl is still hanging. Endless hourglass when
> >I attempt to
> >> install a module from local or remote source. It looks like
> >miniserv.pl is
> >> spinning and enlessly spawning rm, over and over. Any ideas on
> >how to debug?
> >
> >Odd .. what module were you trying to remotely install?
> 
> I've figured it out. This problem stems from an earlier patch I submitted to
> Jamie that overloads stat with objects via the File::stat module. (I prefer
> $foo->mtime to $foo[4].) Anyways, what happened was inside &tempname() where
> it never exited the while(1) loop because the array was actually an object
> an thus it was never seeing the permissions it expected to see.
> 
> I've updated the patch to use File::stat without overloading, and the
> problem went away. That module is part of the standard perl distribution so
> I can only hope Jamie will consider it.

I'm a bit reluctant to use perl modules when there is already a built-in
function for doing the same thing, in order to cut down on load time and
to make it easier for people to run webmin on stripped-down versions of perl.

> However &tmpname() still needed some serious help, so I rewrote it. Some of
> it is shamelessly swiped from the FAQ. ;) Attached is the patch.

Your patch basically does the same thing as the existing tempname() function,
just using File::stat right (apart from removing all my hard-coded uses of /tmp :-)

 - Jamie

RE: miniserv.pl hangs on module update

[Curtis D. <Cu...@Gr...>]

>> I seem to have recently acquired a bug where I cannot do a remote url
>> install of a module.
>>
>> So anyway, miniserv.pl is still hanging. Endless hourglass when
>I attempt to
>> install a module from local or remote source. It looks like
>miniserv.pl is
>> spinning and enlessly spawning rm, over and over. Any ideas on
>how to debug?
>
>Odd .. what module were you trying to remotely install?

I've figured it out. This problem stems from an earlier patch I submitted to
Jamie that overloads stat with objects via the File::stat module. (I prefer
$foo->mtime to $foo[4].) Anyways, what happened was inside &tempname() where
it never exited the while(1) loop because the array was actually an object
an thus it was never seeing the permissions it expected to see.

I've updated the patch to use File::stat without overloading, and the
problem went away. That module is part of the standard perl distribution so
I can only hope Jamie will consider it.

However &tmpname() still needed some serious help, so I rewrote it. Some of
it is shamelessly swiped from the FAQ. ;) Attached is the patch.

../C

Re: cvs repository

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> 
> I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use
> the sourceforge cvs?

As other people have mentioned, there is no CVS repository for webmin yet.
What I might do in future is setup a kind of read-only CVS so that people
can download the very latest version from sourceforge, but I am kind of
reluctant to move to a full read-write repository in which multiple people
can make updates.

This is because almost all of the current development is done by me, and
there doesn't seem to be any problem with people submitting patches by
email. Also, there is plenty of scope for developing modules that themes
that are totally separate from the core code ..

 - Jamie

Re: cvs repository

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

On Tuesday 19 June 2001 14:40, you wrote:
> Got a mouse in your pocket, Ben?  Who is this 'we' you keep talking about?

By "we" I am refering to people that are developing webadmin.  That is what 
this list is for am I wrong?  I havn't been on the list long enough to know 
that jamie is the only one who accepts patches.  I have submited a patch to 
him, but that was before I even looked into seeing if there was a cvs.

> Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use
> having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader
> anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?).

There are in fact linux cvs trees, but they are not the official reposity, 
sorry couldn't resist.

>   Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has
> done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without
> having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes
> sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's
> the way it's got to be.

If you are talking about modules then I agree.  They should be kept 
seperate.

>  From my time on the Webmin mailing lists, I can say that I think you
> will find, he is happy to accept patches that fix problems.  Bug reports
> will also probably find an eager ear.  Complaints of semantic or web
> design tastes and sensibilities are generally less eagerly received.

Why is this?  We are hackers are we not?  We pride ourseves on our ability to 
make clean code that works.  We do not care about "ui"  But somewhere along 
the line I really started to care about how the user interacts with the 
application.  Maybe it is because most of the applications in linux have ui's 
that are poorly made.  I started to read books about how to improve your ui.  
It got into my development life when I started Kaim.  You can read the story 
here:  http://kaim.sourceforge.net/about.shtml  But around that time i was 
still submitting ui changes to gaim.  But I started to get flames from 
everywhere for unknown reasons.  People who didn't even develop gaim were 
submitting bugs to the kaim bugs list the went along the line of "you suck".  
Talk about happy days.  Here I was trying to help gaim and getting nothing 
but bad vibes.  I had to sit down and explain that I am not saying "your app 
sucks" or anything, but I wanted to make gaim better and easier for the user 
because that was something I knew how to do.  Now me and Eric are good buds 
and often will tell each other of problems that we find in each others 
applications.  
     I vowed to not go and start another application if I could join a new 
team and so that is what I am here to do.  Want qualifications?  Go look at 
kaim for good ui design, clean code, and project managment experiance.  I 
know that there arn't enough hours in my day to start a new project on my own 
especially if it were to be duped by another opensource app.  So before 
people start flaming me here I thought I would try to explain myself.
     Kaim is done and I am looking for a new challange.  If webmin isn't 
looking for someone like me then say so and I will find some other web based 
admin project to join.  But if you are then I might as well warn you that I 
will probably make suggestions on just about everything.  I will say that foo 
might look better as a foobar and what is more surprising is that you will 
find that you didn't really care about foo untill I said something.  But what 
you need to remember is that I am not saying that is totally wrong (and it 
can't be for it is has worked so far), but that there might be another 
solution and to take a look at this solution with an open eye.

-Benjamin Meyer


> Just my .02.
>
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> > couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> > current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to
> > use the sourceforge cvs?
> >
> > -Ben
>
>                                    --
>                       Joe Cooper <jo...@sw...>
>                   Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances
>                          http://www.swelltech.com
>
>
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Re: <hr>

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

Sounds good.  The icon was an after thought.  The <hr> was the main point.  

-Ben

On Tuesday 19 June 2001 14:36, Joe Cooper wrote:
> This should find it's way into a 'themeable' item, rather than a one
> time universal replacement.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Adding the icon is too much.  Maybe it would be appropriate in some
> themes (and once the header is fully themeable then you'll be able to do
> anything you want with it, including sticking icons and whatever else in
> it).  So I'd consider this an argument for fully themeable header and
> footer (and probably a removal of the <hr> in every module), rather than
> an argument for significantly altering the default theme to include an
> icon in the header.
>
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > ---
> > oop only sent this too Jamie, re-sending it to the list.
> >
> > -Ben
> > ---
> >
> > Please tell me this not true, but it looks like every single module has
> >
> > &header(...)
> > printf "<hr>\n";
> >
> > ...
> > ......
> > ...
> >
> > printf "<hr>\n";
> > &footer(...)
> >
> > If that is the case then I volenteer to go through and remove it from
> > every module and added it to the the header and footer functions (along
> > with adding the option to not show it)  I have an account on sourceforge
> > (icefox2)
> >
> > Also while I am at it what do you think of adding the modules icon to the
> > paramaters of the header so all the icons will show up in the modules
> > index page.
> >
> > -Benjamin Meyer
>
>                                    --
>                       Joe Cooper <jo...@sw...>
>                   Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances
>                          http://www.swelltech.com
>
>
> -
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Re: cvs repository

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:34:55PM -0400, Ryan W. Maple wrote:
> 
> I disagree with the assertion "there's no use having a public CVS"... it
> would be nice to use cvsweb to get diffs between versions.  Maybe not for
> everybody, but I know I'd use it.
> 
> Just _my_ $.02. :)  I do concur that Jamie willingly accepts patches.
> 

 Yes, i agree. Even anon access to do only cvs checkouts would be nice.
 all changes would still have to go through him, but then people could
 get vital updates before a release is made, and get the latest code
 to start working with if they want to add a new feature and then submit
 it back to jamie, and save him the trouble of having to modify it to
 incorporate any changes he's made since the last release.


-- 
  Nick Jennings

Re: cvs repository

[Ryan W. M. <ry...@gu...>]

> Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use
> having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader
> anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?).
>   Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has
> done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without
> having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes
> sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's
> the way it's got to be.

I disagree with the assertion "there's no use having a public CVS"... it
would be nice to use cvsweb to get diffs between versions.  Maybe not for
everybody, but I know I'd use it.

Just _my_ $.02. :)  I do concur that Jamie willingly accepts patches.

-r


-- 
 +-- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --+
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   Guardian Digital, Inc.                     ry...@gu...
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Re: cvs repository

[Joe C. <jo...@sw...>]

Got a mouse in your pocket, Ben?  Who is this 'we' you keep talking about?

Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use 
having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader 
anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?). 
  Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has 
done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without 
having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes 
sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's 
the way it's got to be.

 From my time on the Webmin mailing lists, I can say that I think you 
will find, he is happy to accept patches that fix problems.  Bug reports 
will also probably find an eager ear.  Complaints of semantic or web 
design tastes and sensibilities are generally less eagerly received.

Just my .02.

Benjamin Meyer wrote:

> I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I 
> couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the 
> current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use 
> the sourceforge cvs?
> 
> -Ben


                                   --
                      Joe Cooper <jo...@sw...>
                  Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances
                         http://www.swelltech.com