From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-28 16:49:55
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Here are the minutes from today's meeting: http://vufind.org/wiki/developers_call:minutes20130528 The next call will be Tuesday, June 11, 2013 at 10am Eastern Daylight Time (14:00 GMT). - Demian |
From: Joe A. <jo...@bo...> - 2013-05-28 17:58:54
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I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe |
From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-28 19:17:54
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I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others - not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they've all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we'll find out shortly! We're using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice - more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you're not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I'm willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn't working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I'm certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-28 21:00:09
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Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe *Filipe MS Bento* Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua... fi...@gm... 351234370200 http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...> > I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for > others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just > switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly!**** > > ** ** > > We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me > use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite > nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice > chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person > to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have > any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. > Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had > calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio > problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the > interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly!** > ** > > ** ** > > - Demian**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM > *To:* vuf...@li... Tech > *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - > 5/28/13**** > > ** ** > > I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical > impediments. > > Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional > and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some > forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success.**** > > > The error is:**** > > Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294)**** > > Video Capture Scanning Error**** > > Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices**** > > ** ** > > Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the > self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a > primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba > running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some > alternative technologies for conferencing?**** > > ** ** > > --joe > > **** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET > Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. > Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead > Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 > _______________________________________________ > Vufind-tech mailing list > Vuf...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech > > |
From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-28 23:52:46
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Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe [http://graph.facebook.com/1569075303/picture] Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) [http://images.wisestamp.com/symbols/grey/email1.png] fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> [http://images.wisestamp.com/symbols/grey/email1.png] fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> [http://images.wisestamp.com/symbols/grey/phone2.png] 351234370200<tel:351234370200> [http://images.wisestamp.com/symbols/grey/website.png] http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly! We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 _______________________________________________ Vufind-tech mailing list Vuf...@li...<mailto:Vuf...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech |
From: Joe A. <jo...@bo...> - 2013-05-29 01:09:38
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Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...>wrote: > Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all > try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can > support us well enough. > > As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's > running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with > audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform > independent. > > - Demian > ------------------------------ > *From:* Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM > *To:* Demian Katz > *Cc:* Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li... Tech > > *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - > 5/28/13 > > Hi! > > One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! > > You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for > "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any > particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic > "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: > well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's > brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the > written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works > well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have > to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). > > Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet > strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is > update)... > > All the best, > > Filipe > > > *Filipe MS Bento* > Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal > Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by > The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) > fs...@ua... > fi...@gm... > > 351234370200 > http://about.filipebento.pt > > > > > > > > 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...> > >> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for >> others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just >> switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets >> me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite >> nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice >> chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person >> to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have >> any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. >> Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had >> calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio >> problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the >> interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly!* >> *** >> >> ** ** >> >> - Demian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM >> *To:* vuf...@li... Tech >> *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - >> 5/28/13**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical >> impediments. >> >> Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is >> non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried >> some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success.**** >> >> >> The error is:**** >> >> Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294)**** >> >> Video Capture Scanning Error**** >> >> Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the >> self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a >> primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba >> running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some >> alternative technologies for conferencing?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> --joe >> >> **** >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET >> Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. >> Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead >> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 >> _______________________________________________ >> Vufind-tech mailing list >> Vuf...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech >> >> > |
From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-29 00:45:26
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That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe [X] Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) [X] fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> [X] fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> [X] 351234370200<tel:351234370200> [X] http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly! We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 _______________________________________________ Vufind-tech mailing list Vuf...@li...<mailto:Vuf...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 00:55:15
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Demian, Here you go: https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/2690797?hl=en but... haven't tried yet (I confess, I just googled it). Gonna stop here (now), 2am over here. All the best, Filipe From: Demian Katz [mailto:dem...@vi...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 01:45 To: Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> 351234370200<tel:351234370200> http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others - not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they've all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we'll find out shortly! We're using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice - more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you're not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I'm willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn't working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I'm certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 _______________________________________________ Vufind-tech mailing list Vuf...@li...<mailto:Vuf...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 01:08:35
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PS and sorry for the double post: just tried... quiet easy. Anyway, this is a method using G. Calendar (no, I do not have Google stocks ), but it generates a persistent URL for all the events in this series. For instance, In the test I did, the resulting URL of the hangouts is the same for 12th and 26th (the one I've checked). So in this case, Demian, you could send ahead that what the Hangout URL will be. At least that's what it looks like, as of today. From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [mailto:fs...@ua...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 01:55 To: Demian Katz; Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Demian, Here you go: https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/2690797?hl=en but... haven't tried yet (I confess, I just googled it). Gonna stop here (now), 2am over here. All the best, Filipe From: Demian Katz [mailto:dem...@vi...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 01:45 To: Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> 351234370200<tel:351234370200> http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others - not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they've all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we'll find out shortly! We're using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice - more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you're not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I'm willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn't working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I'm certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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From: Joe A. <jo...@bo...> - 2013-05-29 01:08:15
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Yes, the feature is called "Hangouts On Air", and requires a little more authentication to setup: give phone number, get auth code. (When you consider that I once spent a decade *failing* to get a 100 Watt radio station licensed and this gives me even broader and higher quality live and archival audio/video/chat, this seems like a trivial formality.) I setup one such experimental hangout, and it gives both link and embed code. In this case: http://youtu.be/Zac5h4lqAeg Here I will put a placeholder silly video. :) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...>wrote: > That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. > > Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several > months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, > or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just > trying to think about logistical issues.... > > - Demian > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM > *To:* Demian Katz > *Cc:* vuf...@li... Tech > > *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - > 5/28/13 > > Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember > seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit > lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to > explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that > I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale > proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). > > I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...>wrote: > >> Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can >> all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can >> support us well enough. >> >> As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's >> running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with >> audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform >> independent. >> >> - Demian >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM >> *To:* Demian Katz >> *Cc:* Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li... Tech >> >> *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - >> 5/28/13 >> >> Hi! >> >> One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! >> >> You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for >> "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any >> particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic >> "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: >> well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's >> brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the >> written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works >> well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have >> to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). >> >> Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet >> strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is >> update)... >> >> All the best, >> >> Filipe >> >> >> *Filipe MS Bento* >> Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal >> Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by >> The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) >> fs...@ua... >> fi...@gm... >> >> 351234370200 >> http://about.filipebento.pt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...> >> >>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for >>> others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just >>> switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets >>> me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite >>> nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice >>> chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person >>> to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have >>> any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. >>> Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had >>> calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio >>> problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the >>> interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> - Demian**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM >>> *To:* vuf...@li... Tech >>> *Subject:* Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - >>> 5/28/13**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical >>> impediments. >>> >>> Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is >>> non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried >>> some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success.**** >>> >>> >>> The error is:**** >>> >>> Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294)**** >>> >>> Video Capture Scanning Error**** >>> >>> Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the >>> self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a >>> primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba >>> running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some >>> alternative technologies for conferencing?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> --joe >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET >>> Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. >>> Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead >>> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vufind-tech mailing list >>> Vuf...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vufind-tech >>> >>> >> > |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 01:20:16
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In that test of yours, perhaps a better name for that service would be preparing for "Hangouts on Water" :) And yes, if we don't want giveaway our true identity, we can always use "digital" masks. No, better not, no party time, pure work! Ok, going to stop now... Bye, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:08 To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yes, the feature is called "Hangouts On Air", and requires a little more authentication to setup: give phone number, get auth code. (When you consider that I once spent a decade *failing* to get a 100 Watt radio station licensed and this gives me even broader and higher quality live and archival audio/video/chat, this seems like a trivial formality.) I setup one such experimental hangout, and it gives both link and embed code. In this case: http://youtu.be/Zac5h4lqAeg Here I will put a placeholder silly video. :) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> 351234370200<tel:351234370200> http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others - not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they've all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we'll find out shortly! We're using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice - more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you're not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I'm willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn't working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I'm certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-29 01:26:54
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Great, I'll see about setting one of these up in time for the next call. We'll start on Wimba since that's where people are used to going, but we can discuss the possibility of migration and perform a test. - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:08 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yes, the feature is called "Hangouts On Air", and requires a little more authentication to setup: give phone number, get auth code. (When you consider that I once spent a decade *failing* to get a 100 Watt radio station licensed and this gives me even broader and higher quality live and archival audio/video/chat, this seems like a trivial formality.) I setup one such experimental hangout, and it gives both link and embed code. In this case: http://youtu.be/Zac5h4lqAeg Here I will put a placeholder silly video. :) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe [X] Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) [X] fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> [X] fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> [X] 351234370200<tel:351234370200> [X] http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly! We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 01:25:34
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PS and again sorry for the double posts: @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:22 To: 'Joe Atzberger'; Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 In that test of yours, perhaps a better name for that service would be preparing for "Hangouts on Water" :) And yes, if we don't want giveaway our true identity, we can always use "digital" masks. No, better not, no party time, pure work! Ok, going to stop now... Bye, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:08 To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yes, the feature is called "Hangouts On Air", and requires a little more authentication to setup: give phone number, get auth code. (When you consider that I once spent a decade *failing* to get a 100 Watt radio station licensed and this gives me even broader and higher quality live and archival audio/video/chat, this seems like a trivial formality.) I setup one such experimental hangout, and it gives both link and embed code. In this case: http://youtu.be/Zac5h4lqAeg Here I will put a placeholder silly video. :) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> 351234370200<tel:351234370200> http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others - not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they've all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we'll find out shortly! We're using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice - more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you're not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I'm willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn't working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I'm certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-29 01:27:24
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Well, we've got two different things we can try now. Thanks for all the research! ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:25 PM To: Joe Atzberger; Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 PS and again sorry for the double posts: @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:22 To: 'Joe Atzberger'; Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 In that test of yours, perhaps a better name for that service would be preparing for “Hangouts on Water” :) And yes, if we don’t want giveaway our true identity, we can always use “digital” masks. No, better not, no party time, pure work! Ok, going to stop now… Bye, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:08 To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yes, the feature is called "Hangouts On Air", and requires a little more authentication to setup: give phone number, get auth code. (When you consider that I once spent a decade *failing* to get a 100 Watt radio station licensed and this gives me even broader and higher quality live and archival audio/video/chat, this seems like a trivial formality.) I setup one such experimental hangout, and it gives both link and embed code. In this case: http://youtu.be/Zac5h4lqAeg Here I will put a placeholder silly video. :) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: That's unfortunate about Wimba's internals. Regarding Hangouts, I haven't used it beyond a quick experiment several months ago. Is there a way to create a standing URL for people to join in, or does it require invitations? If we end up switching over, I'm just trying to think about logistical issues.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Joe Atzberger [jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:42 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Several months ago when I looked into Wimba's internals, I remember seeing some hardcoded expectations of a 32-bit environment (like a 32-bit lib). For whatever reason, those don't cause windows 64-bit clients to explode (probably b/c they aren't used), but it was the kind of thing that I was not going to be able to fix on an apparently 3+ years stale proprietary project (where I'm not even a customer). I'm happy to say Hangouts works fine for me and we use it internally. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> wrote: Maybe if there's time at the end of the next developers call, we can all try to move over to Google Hangouts as an experiment to see if it can support us well enough. As for Wimba, I agree that it's odd that it has so much trouble when it's running under Java... but it seems that the problems all have to do with audio, so maybe there's some bundled library that isn't properly platform independent. - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:59 PM To: Demian Katz Cc: Joe Atzberger; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi! One of these days we should give Google Hangouts a go! You never know, perhaps we will be surprised (my elected service for "informal" remote assistance, how-tos, sharing the desktop or any particular "window" for that matter). And a bonus: possibility of automatic "recording" to youtube (private or public available) --- live cast feature: well, no need to go so further. This without any prejudice to Demian's brilliant minutes (VuFind archive of them) -- video will never replace the written word (even with youtube voice recognition and transciption -- works well with English native speakers, the rest of use... not so well -- have to improve our english speaking skills / correct pronunciation). Nevertheless, since Wimba is pure Java (runs under JRE), it's quiet strange why those errors do appear under Linux (any flavour, if it is update)... All the best, Filipe Filipe MS Bento Computer Science Specialist, University of Aveiro, Portugal Chairman of USE.pt Management Board (Portuguese Ex Libris UG, hosted by The Portuguese Parliament, http://www.USEpt.org) fs...@ua...<mailto:fs...@ua...> fi...@gm...<mailto:fi...@gm...> 351234370200<tel:351234370200> http://about.filipebento.pt 2013/5/28 Demian Katz <dem...@vi...<mailto:dem...@vi...>> I know that getting Wimba running under Linux has been problematic for others – not sure if anyone has found a solution or if they’ve all just switched to Windows for the call. Hopefully we’ll find out shortly! We’re using Wimba because Villanova University has the service and lets me use it, and if you can actually successfully connect to it, it is quite nice – more stable than Skype for large groups, and with nice chat/whiteboard features. However, as I say, you’re not the first person to have trouble getting in, and that is a significant problem. If you have any suggestions for an alternate platform, I’m willing to experiment. Also, if the only problem is that your audio isn’t working, we have had calls in the past where we did chat-only because of attendees having audio problems. This is not ideal, but I’m certainly willing to do it in the interest of getting more conversation going. I can type pretty quickly! - Demian From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...<mailto:jo...@bo...>] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:59 PM To: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I'd like to join in some of these meetings, but there are some technical impediments. Having tested in chrome and Firefox, it seems that Wimba is non-functional and officially "unsupported" on Ubuntu (12.10). I've tried some forum-posted workarounds from 2010 without success. The error is: Wimba Classroom v6.2.2-a.b (error 294) Video Capture Scanning Error Fatal error encountered while scanning for video capture devices Strangely enough that occurs first during the audio-test portion of the self-check. Besides running wine/windows (sorta ridiculous for devs of a primarily linux-deployed app.), has anybody else been able to get wimba running on a modern-ish 64-bit linux? If not, can we consider some alternative technologies for conferencing? --joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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From: Joe A. <jo...@bo...> - 2013-05-29 01:38:50
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> > > @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not > for meetings *per se*. But not sure, just the impression I had from a > first look.**** > > > Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 02:03:41
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Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that "director studio" work... and it's more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I've mentioned when said "live cast feature: well, no need to go so further" (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It's a "open to the world", one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards... :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation - that doesn't mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps... All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 02:06:59
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Sorry: "(...) that we have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), (...)" not "I" (typo). From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 03:05 To: 'Joe Atzberger' Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that "director studio" work... and it's more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I've mentioned when said "live cast feature: well, no need to go so further" (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It's a "open to the world", one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards... :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation - that doesn't mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps... All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-29 10:26:30
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If Google Hangout doesn't have a text chat feature, that could be a problem -- not all of our users have microphones, and some are more comfortable typing than talking.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:03 PM To: Joe Atzberger Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that “director studio” work… and it’s more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I’ve mentioned when said “live cast feature: well, no need to go so further” (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It’s a “open to the world”, one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards… :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation – that doesn’t mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps… All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Filipe MS B. (UA) <fs...@ua...> - 2013-05-29 10:33:27
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Hi Demian! Sorry if somehow I've mislead you; yes it does have "chat" with all the features you would expect. No sure, thought, that it's captured if recording to youtube... never did record. In fact the former google talk / chats in Gmail are now gone and gave place to Hangouts, that are just "chat" ones, in the quick mode, lets say. FB From: Demian Katz [mailto:dem...@vi...] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Maio de 2013 11:26 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA); Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 If Google Hangout doesn't have a text chat feature, that could be a problem -- not all of our users have microphones, and some are more comfortable typing than talking.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:03 PM To: Joe Atzberger Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that "director studio" work... and it's more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I've mentioned when said "live cast feature: well, no need to go so further" (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It's a "open to the world", one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards... :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation - that doesn't mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps... All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Mosior, B. <BEM...@sh...> - 2013-05-30 13:02:16
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I know I've missed most of the discussion here, but I did want to mention that Google Hangouts are surprisingly good for this kind of thing. They even support screensharing (https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1660627?hl=en). Based on my previous experiences doing developer-related things with vendors and coworkers via Hangout, I would definitely prefer that to Wimba in terms of feature set and ease of use. Benjamin Mosior From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [mailto:fs...@ua...] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:33 AM To: Demian Katz; Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi Demian! Sorry if somehow I've mislead you; yes it does have "chat" with all the features you would expect. No sure, thought, that it's captured if recording to youtube... never did record. In fact the former google talk / chats in Gmail are now gone and gave place to Hangouts, that are just "chat" ones, in the quick mode, lets say. FB From: Demian Katz [mailto:dem...@vi...] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Maio de 2013 11:26 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA); Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 If Google Hangout doesn't have a text chat feature, that could be a problem -- not all of our users have microphones, and some are more comfortable typing than talking.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:03 PM To: Joe Atzberger Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that "director studio" work... and it's more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I've mentioned when said "live cast feature: well, no need to go so further" (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It's a "open to the world", one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards... :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation - that doesn't mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps... All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |
From: Demian K. <dem...@vi...> - 2013-05-30 12:50:35
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Good to hear - this seems to be a very strong candidate. Thanks for the input! - Demian From: Mosior, Benjamin [mailto:BEM...@sh...] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:50 AM To: Filipe MS Bento (UA); Demian Katz; Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 I know I've missed most of the discussion here, but I did want to mention that Google Hangouts are surprisingly good for this kind of thing. They even support screensharing (https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1660627?hl=en). Based on my previous experiences doing developer-related things with vendors and coworkers via Hangout, I would definitely prefer that to Wimba in terms of feature set and ease of use. Benjamin Mosior From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [mailto:fs...@ua...] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:33 AM To: Demian Katz; Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li... Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Hi Demian! Sorry if somehow I've mislead you; yes it does have "chat" with all the features you would expect. No sure, thought, that it's captured if recording to youtube... never did record. In fact the former google talk / chats in Gmail are now gone and gave place to Hangouts, that are just "chat" ones, in the quick mode, lets say. FB From: Demian Katz [mailto:dem...@vi...] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Maio de 2013 11:26 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA); Joe Atzberger Cc: vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 If Google Hangout doesn't have a text chat feature, that could be a problem -- not all of our users have microphones, and some are more comfortable typing than talking.... - Demian ________________________________ From: Filipe MS Bento (UA) [fs...@ua...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:03 PM To: Joe Atzberger Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: RE: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 Yup, the auto-switching feature is a nice thing (no need for the Moderator to be doing that "director studio" work... and it's more an equalitarian way of doing it [and you can always mute your mic so that it on switch back to you because you sneeze. :) And yes, normal hangouts with the feature I've mentioned when said "live cast feature: well, no need to go so further" (but if there is interest for a Read Only audience and agreement by the organization / participants that that hangout could be live broadcasted, that feature is great). It's a "open to the world", one might say, feature that I have seen before in youtube (live) for Google Events (IO, for instances), *end* of youtube awards... :) Demian, if we try hangouts I believe we will have more talking and seeing, less writing. Wimba is, somehow, a more intimidating platform, regarding entering the conversation - that doesn't mean we will have to have our webcams active, but perhaps it helps... All the best, Filipe From: Joe Atzberger [mailto:jo...@bo...] Sent: 29 de maio de 2013 02:39 To: Filipe MS Bento (UA) Cc: Demian Katz; vuf...@li...<mailto:vuf...@li...> Tech Subject: Re: [VuFind-Tech] [VuFind-General] Developers Call Minutes - 5/28/13 @Joe: that feature seems to be for live casts / one way broadcasting, not for meetings per se. But not sure, just the impression I had from a first look. Actually, you can patch multiple parties into the broadcast using the normal mechanisms for hangouts. Check out some of the featured versions at: https://plus.google.com/hangouts You can see the various parties and you get the auto-switching video based on audio input. So it's basically a normal hangout, plus youtube-to-world syndication. I'm apparently watching a San Francisco group roleplay a DnD session, live. Funny. |