trinux-talk — General discussion including questions and problem resolution

Re: [Trinux-talk] Using floppies for package disks

[Henk-Jan H. <hjh...@wx...>]

When I download the file  071201.gz. its not the size of 582 kb. The
download is about 6 MB.
I don't think that is oke.

Matthew do you now what is wrong?

Best regards,

Henk-Jan


> > oh btw, do you know if there's away to make trinux to ask for a
> > packages disk even if it finds a netwrok connection?  hmm, maybe I
> > should send that to the list
> >
>
> Yes, use the file 071201.gz. You will need to rename it to initrd.gz and
> copy it to your boot floppy.
>
> It is in http://www.io.com/~mdfranz/trinux/initrd/
>
> -mdf
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Re: [Trinux-talk] rsh and hard disk recognition

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] rsh and hard disk recognition
> 
> it didn't work, it *seems* that the kernel included in the laptop
> floppy image doesn't support ide and the one in the ide image doesn't
> support pcmcia :(

I find it hard to believe that the ide image doesn't work -- I'm using
pcmcia-cs -- not the pcmcia support in the 2.4.5. You won't be able to fit
the pcmcia kernel packages on the boot floppy but if you install them
afterwards, from floppies or whatever (you may have to run the init
scripts in /etc/init.d or /etc/init.m manually) but there should be
nothing preventing them from working.


> 
> where can I get a trinux image that supports both pcmcia and ide?

I'm building some new kernels for testing now. Hopefully can release them
tomorrow.

> 
> I have access to a mandrake 7.2 kernel 2.2.17 box, can I compile my own kernel here despite the different kernel versions?

Probably hard, because you'd have to build a bunch of kernel packages
(especially for PCMCIA, which can't be built into the kernel in 2.2.x)

-mdf

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Re: [Trinux-talk] rsh and hard disk recognition

[<rau...@ne...>]

it didn't work, it *seems* that the kernel included in the laptop floppy image doesn't support ide and the one in the ide image doesn't support pcmcia :(

where can I get a trinux image that supports both pcmcia and ide?

I have access to a mandrake 7.2 kernel 2.2.17 box, can I compile my own kernel here despite the different kernel versions?


rau...@ne... (Raul Segura Acevedo) wrote:
>
> thanks
> 
> I C, ssh is the standard way to go, huh.
> that explains why a link libutil.so.1 to libutil
> there are no devices visble with dmesg|grep hd
> I was using the laptop floppy, I removed the packages I wasn't using copied the ide.tgz and a .tgz I made with just those drivers from pcmcia*.tgz that I really needed, rsh and the driver's it needed to run
> 
> but I didn't know I had to update the kpkglist
> I'll try this laptop floppy image + ide.tgz and if it doesn't work I'll try the ide floppy + mypcmcia.tgz
> 
> thanks a lot for your prompt reply
> 
> 
> oh btw, do you know if there's a way to make trinux to ask for a packages disk even if it finds a netwrok connection?  hmm, maybe I should send that to the list
> 
> 
> Matthew Franz <mf...@ci...> wrote:
> >
> > > 
> > > I need to copy the ard disk of one laptop to others, it seems we
> > > cannot conect two hard disks in same laptop so we'll have to use the
> > > network:
> > > 
> > > something like:
> > > dd if=/dev/hda|gzip|rsh target "gunzip|dd of=/dev/hda"
> > > 
> > > 1) what packages do I need to install/configure to use rsh? (is there
> > > a rshd, or another program with the funcionality that I need?)
> > 
> > anything that is is possible with rcp/rsh should be possible with scp/ssh
> > 
> > > 
> > > 2) dd sends the error message:
> > > dd: /dev/hda: Device not configured.
> > > what do to install/configure to access my hard disk and cdrom?
> > 
> > 
> > Are any devices visible when you do a dmesg | grep hd ?
> > 
> > You can use the ide boot floppy which has IDE and ext2, vfat, ntfs, minix
> > support or do a getpkg 2.4.5/ide or add ide.tgz to the
> > /tux/config/kpkglist
> > 
> > -mdf
> > 
> > 
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[Trinux-talk] Using floppies for package disks

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> 
> oh btw, do you know if there's a way to make trinux to ask for a
> packages disk even if it finds a netwrok connection?  hmm, maybe I
> should send that to the list
> 

Yes, use the file 071201.gz. You will need to rename it to initrd.gz and
copy it to your boot floppy.

It is in http://www.io.com/~mdfranz/trinux/initrd/

-mdf

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Re: [Trinux-talk] rsh and hard disk recognition

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> 
> I need to copy the ard disk of one laptop to others, it seems we
> cannot conect two hard disks in same laptop so we'll have to use the
> network:
> 
> something like:
> dd if=/dev/hda|gzip|rsh target "gunzip|dd of=/dev/hda"
> 
> 1) what packages do I need to install/configure to use rsh? (is there
> a rshd, or another program with the funcionality that I need?)

anything that is is possible with rcp/rsh should be possible with scp/ssh

> 
> 2) dd sends the error message:
> dd: /dev/hda: Device not configured.
> what do to install/configure to access my hard disk and cdrom?


Are any devices visible when you do a dmesg | grep hd ?

You can use the ide boot floppy which has IDE and ext2, vfat, ntfs, minix
support or do a getpkg 2.4.5/ide or add ide.tgz to the
/tux/config/kpkglist

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] rsh and hard disk recognition

[<rau...@ne...>]

hi there

I need to copy the ard disk of one laptop to others, it seems we cannot conect two hard disks in same laptop so we'll have to use the network:

something like:
dd if=/dev/hda|gzip|rsh target "gunzip|dd of=/dev/hda"

1) what packages do I need to install/configure to use rsh? (is there a rshd, or another program with the funcionality that I need?)

2) dd sends the error message:
dd: /dev/hda: Device not configured.
what do to install/configure to access my hard disk and cdrom?

thanks in advance

PS trinux is cool, I tried tom an mulinux and this distros couldn't see network card, they have an old kernel

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RE: [Trinux-talk] Re: Trinux ISO image

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Alan Turing wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:56:34 -0700
> From: Alan Turing <the...@po...>
> To: mf...@ci...
> Subject: RE: [Trinux-talk] Re: Trinux ISO image
> 
> This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by "Alan Turing" <the...@po...>
> 
> Can we add checksums?
> 
> I have downloaded the new image but it is reporting a size of 22Mb. I cannot easily confirm if it corrupt or not.
> 

22mb is correct. I added md5sums and the ISO and checksum file are in
http://www.trinux.org/iso/

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] Re: Trinux ISO image

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> 
> The itrinux.iso mage claims to be 24M.  
> Downloads using both Opera and Netscape insists that
> it is only 16 M.
> 

Thanks. This image was corrupt. I'm uploading it again.

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] Re: TRINUX Bug Report

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> The "latest" Trinux packages BASENET and NETKIT both contain a real
> "etc/resolv.conf" containing a real IP address.  I'd expect resolv.conf to
> be left alone.  When I manually loaded these packages, they wiped a
> resolv.conf that I had previously defined. :-(

Thanks, these are old packages and are no longer needed. I deleted them
from the trinux.org and io.com mirror.

> 
> What I'd really like aside from the bootable floppy is to put together a
> single bootable cdrom containing all available packages.  I didn't get to
> try your .iso version yet, but I see its too small to contain all the
> pkgs. 

I added an update 24mb ISO (2.4.5 kernel) to
http://www.trinux.org/trinux.iso -- not all the packages get loaded
because it would fill up the partitions.

You can also boot from this with a boot floppy (see boot.img on the
ISO) then load packages from the CD-ROM if you want to save network
settings.
 

> Also, I wanted to ask if you know of other floppy-based or cdrom-based
> bootable distributions of Linux or *BSD (or other) that are designed to
> work on memory filesystems.  I'd like to put together a User Group meeting


PicoBSD is *BSD (obviously)

http://busybox.lineo.com has a pretty good list of links to other distros
although there are a lot of them on freshmeat or

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Distributions/Tiny/


I think everybody has made a small linux...

-mdf

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Security Research Engineer
Security Technologies Assessment Team

Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux as DR NS

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> 
> I'm looking at using Trinux as a Disaster Recovery OS for our offsite DR
> testing, however, what I've been unable to do is find out if and how one
> disables IDE/NET loading of additional packages.  What I want is to be able
> to pull out two floppy disks, pop it into a system at our off site facility
> and bring up my name server.  
> 
> The system boots up, sees the NIC and assigns it the IP address/hostname
> that I need it to, but immediately tries to load packages from the network
> instead of asking me for additional floppies.  

I've fixed the linuxrc. There is an initrd.gz in
http://www.io.com/~mdfranz/trinux/initrd/ that you can copy to a boot
floppy.

Basically you can override network package loading two different ways:

1) type floppy and the syslinux boot: prompt
2) create a file called \tux\options\floppy on the trinux boot floppy

CD-ROM support is also coming along (finally) so you many want to consider
that as well: boots faster and is a more reliable media.

-mdf

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Security Research Engineer
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Can Trinux be configured to fetch packages through a proxy?

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Yes, I'll release a new initrd.gz (with the updated getpkg
script) tomorrow that will allow you to specify a proxy server in
/tux/config/proxy so that snarf will use it. 

Do you need to specify a username/password? I haven't added that yet.

-mdf


> 
> subject says it all...
> 

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[Trinux-talk] Can Trinux be configured to fetch packages through a proxy?

[ray o'g. <ray...@ya...>]

subject says it all...

[Trinux-talk] 2.4.5 ISO boots from business card fine

[Carl P. <my...@em...>]

I've now successfully booted a business-card CD-R with the recent Trinux ISO image on several desktops and laptops.  This is going into my wallet along with my LinuxCare recovery CD card!
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[Trinux-talk] Trinux as DR NS

[Oxenreider, J. <jo...@sa...>]

I'm looking at using Trinux as a Disaster Recovery OS for our offsite DR
testing, however, what I've been unable to do is find out if and how one
disables IDE/NET loading of additional packages.  What I want is to be able
to pull out two floppy disks, pop it into a system at our off site facility
and bring up my name server.  

The system boots up, sees the NIC and assigns it the IP address/hostname
that I need it to, but immediately tries to load packages from the network
instead of asking me for additional floppies.  

I've looked through the Trinux site and read the FAQ/instruction pages, but
nothing is mentioned about this particular scenario. 

Thank you for your time and consideration.


Jeffrey A. Oxenreider
Senior Network/Security Engineer

[Trinux-talk] Re: Thanks

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> I have some trouble to mount cdrom, don't know how to configure trinux ?

You should be able to get CD-ROM support working two different ways:

1) use the trinux boot image with ide support (trinux-0.80rc-ide) and it
has support for ide, iso9660, ntfs, ext2, fat32

2) Assuming you are doing network package loading, add the new package
cdrom.tgz to your /tux/config/kpkglist file -- the ide package should
already be there. The ide devices should get installed and then the
startup script for the cdrom package should install the necessary kernel
modules.

Either way if you do the following command:

# dmesg | grep CD

you should see the device if it was probed sucessfully.

[Trinux-talk] 2.4.5 ISO boots from laptop

[Carl P. <my...@em...>]

Downloaded the 5 meg ISO image of 2.4.5 and burnt it to a CD-RW mini-disk (these hold 200 meg).  It booted fine on my Dell laptop.  I had to use the boot floppy when trying it on my PC at home, though.

I'll try a business-card CD-R next and post results.

Cheers for this project!  CDs boot much faster than floppies!


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[Trinux-talk] RE: Trinux-news digest, Vol 1 #18 - 1 msg

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> Subject: RE: Trinux-news digest, Vol 1 #18 - 1 msg
> 
> I was hoping I could boot from the CD... Alas it did not work.
> 
> Still better to carry 1 CD and 1 Floppy disc than 6 Floppy discs.
> 
> Have a great day.
> 

Has anybody else had problems with the ISO image? 

One of the things I need to do 

Basically for each release I will provide 3 floppy images x 2 ( for the
2.2/2.4 kernels )

1. Standard - This primarily used for network loading. Contains a
half-dozen or so common NICs and room on the floppy for a few more if you
are not fortunate to have one in the kernel.

2. PCMCIA - This kernel has no support for any PCI/ISA NICs built-in and
there is enough room on the floppy for PCMCIA kernel-module packages.

3 IDE - This kernel has IDE, FAT, ext2, NTFS, iso9660, and CD-ROM support.
The linuxrc will search IDE devices (including the CD-ROM) looking for
packages. This disk will also be used by iso-image creation.


#1 & #2 are completed, but I need to make a few changes to the linuxrc.

[Trinux-talk] German keymap

[Fabian L. <lin...@gm...>]

Hi!

First of all, I really like Trinux, especially the fact that it uses
network facilities to retrieve additional packages is nice and also the
fact that you have ssh for storing your /home partition shows that
somebody has put some thoughts into this one.

My problem is, that living Austria I have a german keyboard, so I would
like to load a german keymap. I have added kmap.tgz, but unfortunately
loadkeys gives me a strange de.bmap parsing error...
Do I need any modules, is loadkeys the wrong way to do this?

thanks for your time
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[Trinux-talk] ISO Image / Building Script and IDE Bootdisk

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

I've added a test .iso image for kernel-2.4.5. Let me know if you have any
problems. I'm still cleaning up linuxrc but it should work. 

http://trinux.org/boot/trinux-0.80rc1-2.4.5.iso       (about 5Mb)

I also added a new boot image that has IDE, iso9660, minix, ext2, NTFS,
vfat support included.

http://trinux.org/boot/trinux-0.80rc0-ide-2.4.5.img   (floppy to use) 

The script to build the iso image is in http://www.trinux.org/util/ 

You will need to modify it for your system (it assumes you have wget) and
it definitely needs more work, but it is a start.

Re: [Trinux-talk] New config option: bestping

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> 
> I have been working in a new config option, named bestping.
> 
> It will work as using a "touch /tux/config/bestping" procedure, and
> basically will check a set of servers for a best result in a 
> "ping -c 1 <server>" test.
> 
> The procedure requires the ping to take the server from the
> /tux/config/server list and try it, creating a table of pairs
> "time->server", sorting them and using them in a
> first-come-first-served basis.
> 
> For the use of that script, it will have to be said in the config manual
> that lost pings take a while, while timing out, so it might not be the
> option for the long run (ping and reping again in every connection).
> 
> A new setting option should be created (as creating a server.bp) and use
> a new "bestpingonce" option. Should it be set, and server.bp exists, no
> further ping is done, and server.bp is used.
> 
> For those purposes, awk would be of my interest to be included, since is
> 60K long (not recompiled with any small library, such uC<something>) and
> does the basic tricks needed for the job.
> 

60k compressed / uncompressed? 

Realistically, I don't want to add more than 15-20k to the initrd if I can
help it... Space on the laptop boot is fairly tight and I'm building a new
image with IDE ext2/ntfs support that will be used for CD-ROM
loading/booting as well as booting from a fixed partition

There isn't any way something could be hacked together with cut / sort and
the stuff that is currently in busybox

if pingfile=
64 bytes from 10.20.0.228: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=179.3 ms
64 bytes from x.21.167.26: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=0.6 ms
64 bytes from 199.170.88.41: icmp_seq=0 ttl=234 time=126.5 ms

Such as the *very* ugly:

# cut -d' ' -f4,7 pingfile | tr ":=" " " | cut -d" " -f1,4 | cut -d'.'
-f1-4 | sort -n +1 | head -1 | cut -d" " -f1

Right now this won't work with the busybox sort applet because you can't
specific sort columns, but adding the GNU version of sort would add 14k.

This is probably something that might need to be disabled by default
because ICMP could be blocked. I think something that used HTTP/TCP might
be better, but ICMP might work.

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] New config option: bestping

[Jesus C. <jcl...@cc...>]

Well...

I have been working in a new config option, named bestping.

It will work as using a "touch /tux/config/bestping" procedure, and
basically will check a set of servers for a best result in a=20
"ping -c 1 <server>" test.

The procedure requires the ping to take the server from the
/tux/config/server list and try it, creating a table of pairs
"time->server", sorting them and using them in a
first-come-first-served basis.

For the use of that script, it will have to be said in the config manual
that lost pings take a while, while timing out, so it might not be the
option for the long run (ping and reping again in every connection).

A new setting option should be created (as creating a server.bp) and use
a new "bestpingonce" option. Should it be set, and server.bp exists, no
further ping is done, and server.bp is used.

For those purposes, awk would be of my interest to be included, since is
60K long (not recompiled with any small library, such uC<something>) and
does the basic tricks needed for the job.

Any feedback is highly welcome.

Jesse

PS: the addition to the /linuxrc script is almost done, while depends on
awk and thus on the version of awk used.=20

I just came back home and I have no slackware installation around, but I
will try UserModeLinux to check the whole thing.

J.

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Re: [Trinux-talk] Any possibility of an updated ISO?

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> Matthew,
> 
> Although it may not be the best approach for everyone, I would love to
> be able to carry Trinux around on a business card sized CD. Since
> those discs hold between 40 & 60 megs, and since _most_ of the
> machines I boot from are capable of supporting bootable CD's this
> seems like an ideal means of keeping Trinux portable and functional,
> without it depending on Internet access for internal security
> assessments, nor boxes of floppies in my briefcase... what do you
> think?
> 
> Any plans to update the Trinux ISO from the beta page?

I agree, there definitely is a business case (did I really say that?!) for
ISO booting, however I don't want to put 20-30 mb images out on the
mirrors that cannot keep up with package update, and kernel releases and
does not allow the user to store any configuration or customize it with
kernel modules for their hardware because it is RO. Another issue that
makes it a pain from a development standpoint is maintaining yet another
floppy image.

However, here's what we I propose:

I'm currently working on a new script to build ISO images. Basically
the user will enter a boot floppy that has the correct configuration (IP,
kernel modules, pkglist, etc.) and the script will download the packages
and then build the iso image -- 

1) isotrinux prep - enter boot floppy, suck down packages
2) isotrinux build - calls mkisofs and create the iso
3) isotrinux burn - calls cd-record (assuming it is there)

Steps 1-2 (assuming you mount a fixed paritition or have enough RAM can be
accomplished on a trinux install) but #3 will have to be done on a real
Linux box. I don't want to mess with SCSI support and all the kernel
modules.

I will have to double check the linuxrc code to make sure I didn't break
anything, but that shouldn't be too hard.

How does this sound?

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] Any possibility of an updated ISO?

[dr.kaos <dr...@us...>]

Matthew,

Although it may not be the best approach for everyone, I would love to =
be able to carry Trinux around on a business card sized CD. Since those =
discs hold between 40 & 60 megs, and since _most_ of the machines I boot =
from are capable of supporting bootable CD's this seems like an ideal =
means of keeping Trinux portable and functional, without it depending on =
Internet access for internal security assessments, nor boxes of floppies =
in my briefcase... what do you think?

Any plans to update the Trinux ISO from the beta page?

Look forward to your input...
-Taylor Banks

[Trinux-talk] Re: rebooting and nfs

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

> When I press control alt del to reboot the 2.2.19 kernel, it says:
> 
> umount:  /dev/fd0 busy - remounted read-only
> lockd_down: no lockd running.
> umount:  /dev/ram3 busy - remounted read-only
> umount: Cannot remount /dev/ram0 read-only
> umount: /: Device or resource busy
> 

Yup, this is a known busybox issue and I'm afraid to pull the latest
version from cvs because who knows how many other things will get broken.
I generally say halt or reboot. This will probably have to wait until 0.81

> 
> nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
> portmap: RPC call returned error 5
> portmap: RPC call returned error 5
> lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-5
> portmap: RPC call returned error 5
> 
> but it seems to work anyway :-/
> 

I'm glad to see it works. I probably need to upgrade mount. That shouldn't
be too hard.

Thanks

-mdf

[Trinux-talk] rebooting and nfs

[Joe S. <js...@di...>]

When I press control alt del to reboot the 2.2.19 kernel, it says:

umount:  /dev/fd0 busy - remounted read-only
lockd_down: no lockd running.
umount:  /dev/ram3 busy - remounted read-only
umount: Cannot remount /dev/ram0 read-only
umount: /: Device or resource busy

Please press Enter to activate this console.


When I mount an nfs volume it says:

nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
portmap: RPC call returned error 5
portmap: RPC call returned error 5
lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-5
portmap: RPC call returned error 5

but it seems to work anyway :-/


Joe