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Re: [Super-tux-devel] tested at 12h46 (Paris)

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

 Just commited that :)

Ricardo Cruz

Em S=E1bado, 6 de Mar=E7o de 2004 01:15, o Ricardo Cruz escreveu:
>
> > To conclude, a feature request : please use the space key at start.
> > When i tried this game, i try to tune options with the space key.
> > It as with return.
> > I think adding space isn't lot of work and can be more intuitive for a
> > lot of users.
>
>  That's as easy as adding the following line for menu.c :
> case SDLK_SPACE:
>
> Ricardo Cruz

=2D-=20
The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: that there is no man
really clever who has not found that he is stupid.
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] non-(ant)arctic

[Christopher A. W. <cr...@li...>]

> Christopher has created some enemy sketches which would fit very nicly
> into a wasteland theme, but beside that there is currently no effort
> to create addional themes. I might create myself a jungle-like theme,
> but only if the ice-theme is really finished.

Should I be working on the ice theme for the time being, then?

Christopher Allan Webber


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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Re: A few thoughts

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:12:02PM +0100, Ingo Ruhnke wrote:
> "sik0fewl =A0" <xxd...@ho...> writes:
>=20
> > If there were to be big snowballs, we could do one of two things:
>=20
> Little remark, *far* too complicated stuff. In past-Milestone1
> releases stuff like that might be used in the game to add puzzle-like
> elements (ie. build a large snowball to reach a high platform), but
> Milestone1 should be a really streight jump'n run. Kicking a snowball
> here is something that should basically be happening in a fraction of
> a second, no time there for playing complicated 'grow a snowball'
> games there, its pretty much kick and gone, just meant as a little
> gimick to disable three enemies in a row.

I like both concepts. :)  I agree the simpler should be focused on for no=
w,
but later combining (for puzzle elements) would be great. :)

-bill!

[Super-tux-devel] Credits screen [patch]

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

Hey,

 This is a simple credits screen... We really needed one.
 Tobias, I putted boguses names and descriptions, since i am not sure of who 
is involved and what has done.

Ricardo Cruz

-- 
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		-- Charlie McCarthy

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Popup help button patch

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

 Ooops, worked okay in my laptop...
 Anyway 376 still isn't perfect, but is better...

Ricardo Cruz

Em Quinta, 4 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2004 01:23, o Tobias Gl=C3=A4=C3=9Fer escreve=
u:
>
> >  I also appended another patch that just changes a value in the
> > intro, in order to fix the fact that a few text is erased.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>

=2D-=20
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Kansas City."
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		   been traded.

Re: [Super-tux-devel] tested at 12h46 (Paris)

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

Em Sexta, 5 de Mar=E7o de 2004 12:51, o Olivier FAURAX escreveu:
> Hi !
>
> i get the source from CVS and just tested the game.
>
> There is a surprising bug : somtimes, when you jump, you fall under the
> ground and you lose.
> I saw a similar bug applying to a enemy (the little $ of the start) : it
> was blocked between ground and screen limit.
>
 That will be fixed when the game is working fine for all computer speeds.

> In fullscreen mode, my screen is blinking. Is there a common problem ?
>
 Is that a laptop?
 Anyway, that's certanely a SDL issue.

> To conclude, a feature request : please use the space key at start.
> When i tried this game, i try to tune options with the space key.
> It as with return.
> I think adding space isn't lot of work and can be more intuitive for a
> lot of users.
>
 That's as easy as adding the following line for menu.c :
case SDLK_SPACE:

;)

> How can i join the list ? Is there a lot of trafic ?
>
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/super-tux-devel
You can choose a daily digest.

Ricardo Cruz


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Symptom:		Floor blurred.
=46ault:			You are looking through bottom of empty glass.
Action Required:	Find someone who will buy you another beer.

Symptom:		Floor moving.
=46ault:			You are being carried out.
Action Required:	Find out if you are taken to another bar.  If not,
			complain loudly that you are being kidnapped.
		-- Bar Troubleshooting

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Little worldmap sketch

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:50:26AM +0100, Ingo Ruhnke wrote:
> 
> Here a very very rough sketch on how I imagine the worldmap to look
> like (ie. very similar to MarioBros3/MarioWorld):
> 
>  * http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/supertux-map.jpg
> 
> Not sure if this will make it into milestone1, but it shouldn't be all
> that hard to create.

Cute looking.

One peeve I've had, though, with people's use of penguins, is they seem
to forget penguins are from the SOUTH POLE, and things like Santa Claus
and pine trees are from the NORTH ;^)

Just a peeve, though. ;^)  We can take artistic liberties.
Obviously 99.99% of people out there don't give a crap about penguins and
what kinds of trees might be nearby (if any ;) )

-bill!

Re: [Super-tux-devel] cvs and diff

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

Just to add for those that know nothing about cvs, that you need to do:
cvs -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/super-tux login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/super-tux co=20
supertux

to get the repository to a local dir. (Press Enter in the password)

Ricardo Cruz


Em Quarta, 3 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2004 23:53, o Tobias Gl=C3=A4=C3=9Fer escreve=
u:
> Hi all developers,
>
> could you please make a patch against the CVS, if you have made changes
> that should belong to the official SuperTux CVS?
>
> Little instruction: (Ricardo and DK know it :))
>
> 1.
> Your new content of ~/.cvsrc (without the dashs)
> ---------
> cvs -z4
> diff -u3 -p
> update -dP
> checkout -P
> ---------
>
> 2.
> cd your-supertux-working-directory
> cvs diff
>
> Send the patch to this list.
>
> This has the advantage, that the patch doesn't destroy my local working
> directory and is formated in a defacto standard. :)
>
> Greetz...
>
> Tobias Gl=C3=A4=C3=9Fer
>
>
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[Super-tux-devel] Little worldmap sketch

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

Here a very very rough sketch on how I imagine the worldmap to look
like (ie. very similar to MarioBros3/MarioWorld):

 * http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/supertux-map.jpg

Not sure if this will make it into milestone1, but it shouldn't be all
that hard to create.

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Re: [Super-tux-devel] non-(ant)arctic

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

Michael George <mi...@ge...> writes:

> Grumbel seems pretty intent on not having the whole setting in
> antarctica, and I completely agree, but I was wondering if this will
> happen by milestone 1? it seems everyone's working on / talking
> about snowballs and iceblock men and evil snowstorms.

Milestone1 is 'scheduled' for the end of the month, so there isn't
really all that much time left, so I would like to keep it simple for
the start. If we get two ice themes (one above the ground, another
cave based), probally another one for boss-levels and another one for
the worldmap ready, together with background-tiles, enemies and around
15 levels and even get that tested and especially fun to play
(difficult, but should be doable), than the goal of Milestone1 is
reached. The goal is after all to get a small, but fun game, not the
best jump'n run ever. If we get additional themes finished (enemies,
tiles, etc), then they can be included as well, if however they only
get half finished, we should better leave them out in milestone1 and
better polish them and create a milestone2.

> Is anyone working on alternate settings? If so, jungle, desert,
> underwater/air (does the engine support this stuff?), cave, or what?

Christopher has created some enemy sketches which would fit very nicly
into a wasteland theme, but beside that there is currently no effort
to create addional themes. I might create myself a jungle-like theme,
but only if the ice-theme is really finished.

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Re: [Super-tux-devel] IRC Log

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

Hi,
 For the next meeting, please let us know at least for 3 days in advance :)
 Anyway, it was a nice meeting, with a lot of emphasis for graphics.

 Was it just me or Tobias and Ingo were really discussing with each other=20
using the same arguments, but different words? ;D
(Tobias - level theme, Ingo - tiles collection) heh

Ricardo Cruz

Em Quarta, 3 de Mar=E7o de 2004 14:19, o Ingo Ruhnke escreveu:
> IRC Log of yesterdays meeting is available at:
>
> http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/supertux-meeting1.log

=2D-=20
"Well, you see, it's such a transitional creature.  It's a piss-poor
reptile and not very much of a bird."
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studied the archeopteryz and found it "very much like people"

Re: [Super-tux-devel] non-(ant)arctic

[Christopher A. W. <cr...@li...>]

> Is anyone working on alternate settings?  If so, jungle, desert,
> underwater/air (does the engine support this stuff?), cave, or what?
In short, yes.  I've shown before the sketches I have made for
characters in alternate locations.  However, I don't know if they'll be
ready for milestone 1, as I don't know how far off milestone 1 is.

> Can you get some concept art up on the site?  If this stuff is going on,
> it seems like it ought to be coordinated to some degree.
I guess that's up to grumbel.  Regardless, I've simplified the "browsing
for my latest concept art" by putting up this directory... it includes
the XCF files, in case you wish to mess with the images.
http://lingocomic.com/gfx/goodies/supertux/

Christopher Allan Webber


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[Super-tux-devel] non-(ant)arctic

[Michael G. <mi...@ge...>]

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Hi,

Grumbel seems pretty intent on not having the whole setting in
antarctica, and I completely agree, but I was wondering if this will
happen by milestone 1?  it seems everyone's working on / talking about
snowballs and iceblock men and evil snowstorms.

Is anyone working on alternate settings?  If so, jungle, desert,
underwater/air (does the engine support this stuff?), cave, or what?
Can you get some concept art up on the site?  If this stuff is going on,
it seems like it ought to be coordinated to some degree.

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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Re: A few thoughts

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

"sik0fewl =A0" <xxd...@ho...> writes:

> If there were to be big snowballs, we could do one of two things:

Little remark, *far* too complicated stuff. In past-Milestone1
releases stuff like that might be used in the game to add puzzle-like
elements (ie. build a large snowball to reach a high platform), but
Milestone1 should be a really streight jump'n run. Kicking a snowball
here is something that should basically be happening in a fraction of
a second, no time there for playing complicated 'grow a snowball'
games there, its pretty much kick and gone, just meant as a little
gimick to disable three enemies in a row.

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[Super-tux-devel] Re: A few thoughts

[sik0fewl <xxd...@ho...>]

Ingo Ruhnke <grumbel@gm...> writes:

>Size of the snowball doesn't matter, so it wouldn't be too usefull I think 
>to have the snowball grow.

Just throwing out some ideas..

If there were to be big snowballs, we could do one of two things:

* Have the large snowball shrink to a small snowball (like Tux/Mario does 
after getting injured). Maximum number of snowballs able to combine would 
probably have to be two.
* Have the large snowball break back down into smaller snowballs after it is 
jumped on. The two smaller snowballs must be jumped on afterwards in order 
to be killed. This number _could_ be increased to 3 or 4, however, I think 2 
would be ideal.

Another possible option is to have the levels start out with large snowballs 
(instead of combining while playing the level). There could even be 2-3 
different sized snowballs containg 2, 3 and 4 snowballs.

Just a thought.

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Re: [Super-tux-devel] A few more character concepts

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

offipso <of...@ab...> writes:

> Just my opinion, but OH PLEASE NO! I hated that guy in the SMB games
> with such a passion that my SNES controller trembles when I start one of
> those levels. I'm surprised it hasn't broken yet...

I kind of know that feeling =:) However if it is destroyable and
doesn't respawn (as it did in some levels...), it is a fun oppenend,
especially since its almost impossible to jump on him, so that one
need alternative ways to kill it (hit with an ice-block, etc.).

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Re: [Super-tux-devel] A few more character concepts

[offipso <of...@ab...>]

Just my opinion, but OH PLEASE NO! I hated that guy in the SMB games
with such a passion that my SNES controller trembles when I start one of
those levels. I'm surprised it hasn't broken yet...

Dan Koestler
> >
> I think it would be nice to have a Super Mario like 'evil'
> cloud that throws kinda bullets or (as seen in SM) another
> enemies --- I like the idea of having a cloud that throws some
> snowflakes. Those could be aimed towards the protagonist
> and either smash once reaching the ground or begin walking
> around and hunting Tux.
> 
> 
> Benjamin Jung
> 

Re: [Super-tux-devel] A few more character concepts

[Benjamin P. J. <bp...@gm...>]

>
>
><snip>
>I dunno.  Just trying to create some concept art that will be easy
>enough to make into sprites later.  Tell me what you think....
>I'm also looking for suggestions.  The only other suggestions I can
>remember are a spider and a yeti.  Any others?
>
>
>Christopher Allan Webber
>
>  
>
I think it would be nice to have a Super Mario like 'evil'
cloud that throws kinda bullets or (as seen in SM) another
enemies --- I like the idea of having a cloud that throws some
snowflakes. Those could be aimed towards the protagonist
and either smash once reaching the ground or begin walking
around and hunting Tux.


Benjamin Jung

[Super-tux-devel] tested at 12h46 (Paris)

[Olivier F. <of...@if...>]

Hi !

i get the source from CVS and just tested the game.

There is a surprising bug : somtimes, when you jump, you fall under the=20
ground and you lose.
I saw a similar bug applying to a enemy (the little $ of the start) : it=20
was blocked between ground and screen limit.

In fullscreen mode, my screen is blinking. Is there a common problem ?

To conclude, a feature request : please use the space key at start.
When i tried this game, i try to tune options with the space key.
It as with return.
I think adding space isn't lot of work and can be more intuitive for a=20
lot of users.

How can i join the list ? Is there a lot of trafic ?

Thanks for your work.

--=20
Un optimiste, c'est un homme qui plante deux glands et qui s'ach=E8te un
hamac.
Olivier FAURAX
http://ofaurax.free.fr

[Super-tux-devel] A few more character concepts

[Christopher A. W. <cr...@li...>]

Decided I'd take a few minutes in-between papers to try and get some
work done for the game... didn't have enough time to do the sprites, so
I decided to pull up a few more character concepts.  I dunno if either
of these are helpful, but take a look anyway:

this could be a standard walking enemy.... or a boss... or perhaps the
baby of a boss?  I dunno.  Maybe you have better ideas.
http://lingocomic.com/gfx/goodies/crummich.png

I was just doodling, but this seems to fit the style of the game pretty
well... the only problem?  It looks too much like a good guy.  Do we
have any use for any other good guys?
http://lingocomic.com/gfx/goodies/critterhead.png

I dunno.  Just trying to create some concept art that will be easy
enough to make into sprites later.  Tell me what you think....
I'm also looking for suggestions.  The only other suggestions I can
remember are a spider and a yeti.  Any others?


Christopher Allan Webber


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Re: [Super-tux-devel] hello everybody...

[Benjamin P. J. <bp...@gm...>]

>>I've just tried to draw a small 32x32 penguin -- also tried to animate
>>the thing a bit ... and ok: it's far from finished now -- anyhow, if
>>you want to have a look:
>>http://www.phreakzone.com/tmp/tux_small.png
>>    
>>
>
>Looks good, doesn't really fit the large-tux, but still might be
>usefull as 'key' character or something like this (ie. YoshiIsland
>style keys, but instead of keys a character or something like that).
>Havn't thought to much about this, but it might be interesting.
>  
>
I see .... I'll have to try and kinda "immitate" some things of the
current style --- the sketches that I've seen look really cute! :)
Is there a way to contribute (possible) graphics/sketches by
sending an e-mail to someone/someplace ?

Though I must admit that my idea of a Super Tux does not fit
the general concept I've done 2 more frames, also my checkbox,
the back arrow and the small tux-life.png might be interresting:

--> http://www.phreakzone.com/tmp/supertux.html


Benjamin Jung


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[Super-tux-devel] IRC meeting

[Duong-Khang N. <neo...@us...>]

   Hi ppl,

  I'm sorry that I missed the meeting. It's just because I use daily digest 
mailinglist mode. Anyway I'm going to read the log. I've just had a look at 
the new graphics, they're really promising, keep on working guys :-)


-- 
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life is going on !

Re: [Super-tux-devel] hello everybody...

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:32:19PM +0000, ri...@ae... wrote:
>  There is a development website (made by Ingo Ruhnke) that should 
> give you a view about the goals: 
> http://super-tux.sf.net/development/ 
>  
> (Bill Kendrick, could you please mention it in the main page, Thx!) 

Done!  Sorry for nto doing it sooner :)


<snip>
>  There has been a lot of discussion regarding this subject. I think 
> that has not been decided yet, but have a look at Ingo's answer. 
>  In my opinion, we should get away from the current graphics and go 
> for cartoonish ones,

Yep!  I'm no artist!  (Heh, Ingo, if you feel like redoing art for any
of my previous OSS games, feel free!  >;^) )

-bill!
bi...@ne...           "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of
http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/   Space Trek where your show got cancelled?"

Re: [Super-tux-devel] hello everybody...

[<ri...@ae...>]

Citando "Benjamin P. Jung" <bp...@gm...>:=20
=20
> =20
> As I've only just joined the mailing list (is there a history=20
anywhere?)=20
=20
 There is a development website (made by Ingo Ruhnke) that should=20
give you a view about the goals:=20
http://super-tux.sf.net/development/=20
=20
(Bill Kendrick, could you please mention it in the main page, Thx!)=20
=20
> my first question is:=20
> what's the general 'style' of the super tux graphics? Is there=20
some kind =20
> of guide lines e.g. 'we want graphics in the style of Super Mario=20
Bros.' =20
> or 'it should be comic-like with a black outline' ... ??!?!=20
> =20
> =20
=20
 There has been a lot of discussion regarding this subject. I think=20
that has not been decided yet, but have a look at Ingo's answer.=20
 In my opinion, we should get away from the current graphics and go=20
for cartoonish ones, and even change the enemies inspiration from=20
the computer world to the fantasy world :P have a look at the ones=20
at the development page.=20
=20
 Currently enemies (aka bad guys) cannot be added that easily, but=20
we will be more than happy to add them for you.=20
 That been said, good work! ;)=20
=20
> Benjamin Jung=20
> e-mail :: bpjung at gmx dot net=20
> ICQ :: 50371063=20
> IRC :: itespeed @freenode=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Popup help button patch

[Tobias <tob...@gm...>]

Hi Ricardo,

thanks for your patches! I'll review and merge them with CVS.

Am Mi, den 03.03.2004 schrieb ri...@ae... um 14:11:
> Hey there, 
>  
>  Tobias, as you asked, this patch changes the behaviour of the popup 
> help info in the buttons. 
>  I have just made it to appear instantaneously (without a delay), 
> since I don't think it is that good to put a timer in each of the 
> buttons. The button bar should have more control over the buttons, 
> just as in usual gui toolkits. Futhermore, I think this is the way 
> to go for usability. 
>  
>  I would like to ask how will the tiles/bad_guys buttons look like. 
> Will they be 32x32 or just 32x16? If the last one, will they be 
> cutted or resized? 
The tiles will have the same size as in the game. -> 32x32

>  I also think that the buttons to change levels should be changed, 
> since the first time I saw them, I thought it was to scroll the 
> button bar.
It's good to receive feedback. I'm going to redesign that stuff.
 
> 
>  In another topic, the mouse cursor flicks in the game (exeption for 
> the great nvidia drivers). So, I think we should change it for our 
> own mouse cursor, since it is annoying to use a flicker cursor in 
> the level editor. 
>  Futhermore, our own mouse cursor would let us create stuff like 
> actions (when clicking, when over a button...) and animations. It 
> would also allow to create effects, just as water and trails (like 
> cursor trails or sparkles). 
>  Anyway, I've made a few hacks for that (maybe it shouldn't be 
> commited). It allows actions and animations. I've drawn a image for 
> the cursors, but it is just butt ugly, since i suck in drawings and 
> I have done that with my toshiba laptop  built-in mouse, so I guess 
> I'm excused :) 
Toshiba produces excellent laptops, so you aren't excused. ;)

> 
>  I also appended another patch that just changes a value in the 
> intro, in order to fix the fact that a few text is erased. 

Thanks again.

> Cheers, 
>  Ricardo Cruz 

Greetz...

Tobias Gläßer