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Re: [Slashcode-general] Performance issues..?

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

On Thursday 08 November 2001 09:36 pm, Chris Waltham wrote:
> First off, thanks to the people that replied to me the other day about
> the default blocks situation - Micah and Nomad, and those that spoke
> to me on IRC.
>
> Moving on.. I've decided to go ahead and use Slash for my project,
> the only thing is, finding a machine that's fast enough that
> noone else will steal from me! :) I tried using a P166 w/ 64mb
> running Linux 2.4, but it was just too slow. There are a couple
> of machines scattered around the office here; and I was just wondering
> if anyone had used an SGI O2? It's surplus at the moment (though
> I'd have to install all of the GNU tools), but I'm not sure if
> I'd be fast enough or not.. I did install Slash briefly on my
> 1GHz Athlon (with 512MB of RAM), and it sure did fly! :)
>
> Any suggestions? Thanks! It'll be a pretty low-key site, at least
> to start with...

whatever box you run it on, think *ram*. get as much of it as you can, 
afterall it's pretty cheap lately.

 shane

Re: [Slashcode-general] Performance issues..?

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

Chris -

I've got a 466 Celeron, 384mb memory, ide disk drive. Realistically it is 
not enough. It seems CPU bound. But thanks for the tip on the Athlon - that 
will help my upgrade plans when I get to it.

Barry

At 10:36 AM 11/9/2001 +0800, Chris Waltham wrote:
>First off, thanks to the people that replied to me the other day about
>the default blocks situation - Micah and Nomad, and those that spoke
>to me on IRC.
>
>Moving on.. I've decided to go ahead and use Slash for my project,
>the only thing is, finding a machine that's fast enough that
>noone else will steal from me! :) I tried using a P166 w/ 64mb
>running Linux 2.4, but it was just too slow. There are a couple
>of machines scattered around the office here; and I was just wondering
>if anyone had used an SGI O2? It's surplus at the moment (though
>I'd have to install all of the GNU tools), but I'm not sure if
>I'd be fast enough or not.. I did install Slash briefly on my
>1GHz Athlon (with 512MB of RAM), and it sure did fly! :)
>
>Any suggestions? Thanks! It'll be a pretty low-key site, at least
>to start with...
>
>
>Chris
>
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[Slashcode-general] Performance issues..?

[Chris W. <ch...@ha...>]

First off, thanks to the people that replied to me the other day about
the default blocks situation - Micah and Nomad, and those that spoke
to me on IRC.

Moving on.. I've decided to go ahead and use Slash for my project,
the only thing is, finding a machine that's fast enough that
noone else will steal from me! :) I tried using a P166 w/ 64mb
running Linux 2.4, but it was just too slow. There are a couple
of machines scattered around the office here; and I was just wondering
if anyone had used an SGI O2? It's surplus at the moment (though
I'd have to install all of the GNU tools), but I'm not sure if
I'd be fast enough or not.. I did install Slash briefly on my
1GHz Athlon (with 512MB of RAM), and it sure did fly! :)

Any suggestions? Thanks! It'll be a pretty low-key site, at least
to start with...


Chris

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[Slashcode-general] Running 2.0 and 2.2 on same server

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

Ok, I know you're not supposed to do it, but I'm needing to try.  The plan:

Slash 2.0 is under /usr/local/slash, version 2.2 will be under 
/usr/local/slash22/

All perl modules will go under /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/slash22

Will have two instances of httpd running, one with a modified apachectl that 
will set the PERL5LIB var to the above directory and use an alternate config 
file.  (I think I'll use the exact same httpd executable for both, but they 
will run seperately.)

I have a spare IP address, so I'll have the 2.0 httpd listen on one and the 
2.2 httpd on another.

Actually the only problem I'm having right now is that when I do 'make' in 
the 2.2 directory, it is clobbering my old installed Slash 2.0 modules.  
(This is on my home test box, not the server!  And they can be restored by 
going to the 2.0 dir and doing make and make install, and the old site comes 
back up fine.)

In the 2.2 Makefile I made these changes:
# INSTALLSITEARCH=`$(PERL) -MConfig -e 'print 
"$(BUILDROOT)/$$Config{installsitearch}"'`
INSTALLSITEARCH=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/slash22/i386-linux
# INSTALLSITELIB=`$(PERL) -MConfig -e 'print 
"$(BUILDROOT)/$$Config{installsitelib}"'`
INSTALLSITELIB=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/slash22

I noticed later that those are only used for RPM builds.  I'm not using RPM.  
So how do I get the installer to put the modules in the right place?

Thanks,
Micah

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Re: [Slashcode-general] comments in template files?

[Jamie M. <ja...@mc...>]

da...@ho... writes:

> Use a Template Toolkit style comment?

Yes.  "perldoc Template::Manual::Syntax"
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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 09:24 am, Alessio Bragadini wrote:
> Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda wrote:
> > > 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or
> > > does that technically stomp on a trademark?
> >
> > It is not illegal, but I personally frown upon it.
>
> Well, I run the "Slash-Italian" site <http://slash-italian.kenobi.it>
> that manages the translation project for Slash in Italian, more exactly
> a 'slashcode-it' theme similar to the slashcode base theme except in
> language. For this reason, the site is intentionally 99% lookalike of
> slashcode.com and yes it contains 'Slash' in the name.
>
> I've always thought that was the right way to go, maybe I am not so sure
> anymore...

Well yeah, I think my opinion is that for things that deal with Slashcode 
itself, like Slash hosting or consulting or porting services, it would seem 
reasonable to have "Slash" in the name (Not SlashCODE though, since that's 
apparently trademarked, except by permission).  But for individual sites 
based on the software, being original with the name would be a Good Thing.


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Re: [Slashcode-general] comments in template files?

[<da...@ho...>]

barry <sla...@i1...> writes:

> I have some template files that are getting pretty complex - is there a way 
> to comment them in a way that will not end up in the output html?

Use a Template Toolkit stylee comment?


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[Slashcode-general] comments in template files?

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

I have some template files that are getting pretty complex - is there a way 
to comment them in a way that will not end up in the output html?

thanks!

Barry

[Slashcode-general] Slash 2.2.0 Released

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

Hi all.  Finally, a new release of Slash!  Check out the story on Slashcode
for links and more information.

	http://slashcode.com/article.pl?sid=01/11/07/1641258

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Alessio B. <al...@al...>]

Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda wrote:

> > 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does
> > that technically stomp on a trademark?
> 
> It is not illegal, but I personally frown upon it.

Well, I run the "Slash-Italian" site <http://slash-italian.kenobi.it>
that manages the translation project for Slash in Italian, more exactly
a 'slashcode-it' theme similar to the slashcode base theme except in
language. For this reason, the site is intentionally 99% lookalike of
slashcode.com and yes it contains 'Slash' in the name.

I've always thought that was the right way to go, maybe I am not so sure
anymore...

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Changing the default blocks shown?

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 10:16 pm, Chris Waltham wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm new to Slash (and have just installed it), and just have
> a question about the blocks that are displayed by default.
>
> Ideally, I don't want any blocks displayed by default, though
> the user can check them in themselves if they wish. So for the
> unauthenticated users, I'd rather them not see any blocks..
>
> My question is, how do I accomplish this? I tried editing
> the block (e.g., Freshmeat) in the Blocks section of the
> admin tools, and unchecking the portald and retrieve checkboxen.
> This didn't have any effect, though, whether I was logged in or
> not. About the only way I could do it was to remove the block
> itself (and then restart Apache and Slash), but this will mean
> that users can't re-enable it in the future.
>
> Are there any other ways of accomplishing this? Thanks guys!

Read the Help section in admin, under the Blocks section.  That tells you 
what you need to know.  It involves setting the Index value to -1 IIRC.
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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[farrellj <far...@sy...>]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda wrote:

> On Tuesday 06 November 2001 03:57 pm, Micah Yoder wrote:
>
> > 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does
> > that technically stomp on a trademark?
>
> It is not illegal, but I personally frown upon it.  I'd prefer people built
> up their own names intead of leaching off one that others have worked so hard
> to build up.  If I encounter a site named Slash something, I think down upon
> it and its creators.  Even if they are providing warm fuzzy thoughts our way
> for using our icons.  Be original.  Its only a little harder.  We do own a
> variety of trademarks related to Slashdot, and while I doubt we'd ever
> prosecute anyone, I'd rather see fewer Slash* sites and more sites with
> individuality.

        Besides which, with "slash" in your name, people might think it is a
place for getting a certain type of Kirk/Spock oriented fiction.

ttyl
     Farrell McGovern

[Slashcode-general] Changing the default blocks shown?

[Chris W. <ch...@ha...>]

Hi guys,

I'm new to Slash (and have just installed it), and just have
a question about the blocks that are displayed by default.

Ideally, I don't want any blocks displayed by default, though
the user can check them in themselves if they wish. So for the
unauthenticated users, I'd rather them not see any blocks..

My question is, how do I accomplish this? I tried editing
the block (e.g., Freshmeat) in the Blocks section of the
admin tools, and unchecking the portald and retrieve checkboxen.
This didn't have any effect, though, whether I was logged in or
not. About the only way I could do it was to remove the block
itself (and then restart Apache and Slash), but this will mean
that users can't re-enable it in the future.

Are there any other ways of accomplishing this? Thanks guys!


Chris

Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

At 07:34 PM 11/6/2001 -0500, Chris really wrote

>It seems you are saying a trademark is not being vigorously enforced on
>"Slash",

I am not really making any claims at all as to what you are or not enforcing...


>but no trademark exists,

or what trademarks you own.


>that I know of, on "Slash".  "Slash" does
>not equal "Slashdot".  Rob did not assert that we have a trademark on
>"Slash", but on "Slashdot".


what he actually said was this:
 >> We do own a
 >>variety of trademarks related to Slashdot, and while I doubt we'd ever
 >>prosecute anyone, I'd rather see fewer Slash* sites and more sites with
 >>individuality.

He didn't say specifically what the trademarks are. And even if he did, it 
is far from clear to me that if there were a bunch of variations on 
"slashdot" that your attorneys would not consider the intellectual property 
value to be vested in "slash" itself to some extent.

Like I said, IANAL, but I think you guys are well known enough that the 
case could be made you have authority to speak publicly for andover on 
matters relating to slashdot/slashcode development, and I think you may 
have misstated the case you intended to make, to your potential detriment.

While I doubt I would ever do so, I am more than fairly certain that my IP 
attorneys would be able to use the quote from Rob to make your life pretty 
uncomfortable wrt to trademarks. I know it is a pointy-haired topic, but I 
just think you might want to double check and run this one by the legal 
team and let them answer.




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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

Rob and Chris,

Thanks for the clarification.  This is for a client, not my own site.  He 
wanted to know.  I'll forward those responses on to him.

I agree he should have his own icons created.  He has other topics and they 
should be made to look consistent.  Agreed with the site name as well.

Thanks,
Micah
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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 16:24 -0800 2001.11.06, barry wrote:
>At 07:11 PM 11/6/2001 -0500, Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda wrote:
>> > 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or
>>does
>> > that technically stomp on a trademark?
>>
>>  We do own a
>>variety of trademarks related to Slashdot, and while I doubt we'd ever
>>prosecute anyone, I'd rather see fewer Slash* sites and more sites with
>>individuality.
>
>
>IANAL, but it is my understanding that if a trademark owner is not vigorous
>in seeking to halt every single potential infringement of a trademark, it
>is tantamount to not having the trademark at all. This is why we see some
>really ridiculous cases in the news sometimes. Perhaps you can revoke this
>claim and clear it with the Andover legal team, because I really think that
>if you allow it to stand, you may have given the opposite effect of which
>you intended.

It seems you are saying a trademark is not being vigorously enforced on
"Slash", but no trademark exists, that I know of, on "Slash".  "Slash" does
not equal "Slashdot".  Rob did not assert that we have a trademark on
"Slash", but on "Slashdot".

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

At 07:11 PM 11/6/2001 -0500, Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda wrote:
> > 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does
> > that technically stomp on a trademark?
>
>  We do own a
>variety of trademarks related to Slashdot, and while I doubt we'd ever
>prosecute anyone, I'd rather see fewer Slash* sites and more sites with
>individuality.


IANAL, but it is my understanding that if a trademark owner is not vigorous 
in seeking to halt every single potential infringement of a trademark, it 
is tantamount to not having the trademark at all. This is why we see some 
really ridiculous cases in the news sometimes. Perhaps you can revoke this 
claim and clear it with the Andover legal team, because I really think that 
if you allow it to stand, you may have given the opposite effect of which 
you intended.

Barry

Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 15:57 -0500 2001.11.06, Micah Yoder wrote:
>1. Is it legal to use the icons from Slashdot and Slashcode on our own sites?
> Not just the ones in the Slashcode distro, but from the sites.

Not without permission, no.  The ones in the distribution, of course, you
can use.  But not the ones from the sites.


>2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does
>that technically stomp on a trademark?

I don't know.  I do know that other sites use "slash" as part of their
name, like slashhosting, and that Andover.Net/OSDN/VA Linux has known about
them and, to my knowledge, has not taken action.


>3. (Not legal) is it true that 2.2 is likely to come out this week?

Yes.

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Rob \CmdrTaco\ M. <ma...@sl...>]

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 03:57 pm, Micah Yoder wrote:
> 1. Is it legal to use the icons from Slashdot and Slashcode on our own
> sites? Not just the ones in the Slashcode distro, but from the sites.

Slashdot's graphics have a sort of informal policy that you can use them, 
provided you are clear about the original source and provide lots of happy 
linkage, credit, and kudos and general warm fuzzy thoughts in exchange for 
using them.  The ones included in the tarball are distributed under the same 
license as the code, so no requirements are implied.

> 2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does
> that technically stomp on a trademark?

It is not illegal, but I personally frown upon it.  I'd prefer people built 
up their own names intead of leaching off one that others have worked so hard 
to build up.  If I encounter a site named Slash something, I think down upon 
it and its creators.  Even if they are providing warm fuzzy thoughts our way 
for using our icons.  Be original.  Its only a little harder.  We do own a 
variety of trademarks related to Slashdot, and while I doubt we'd ever 
prosecute anyone, I'd rather see fewer Slash* sites and more sites with 
individuality.

> 3. (Not legal) is it true that 2.2 is likely to come out this week?

I can neither confirm nor deny any rumor about any release date.

[Slashcode-general] Legal type questions

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

1. Is it legal to use the icons from Slashdot and Slashcode on our own sites? 
 Not just the ones in the Slashcode distro, but from the sites.

2. Is it legally acceptable to have "Slash" as part of a site name, or does 
that technically stomp on a trademark?

3. (Not legal) is it true that 2.2 is likely to come out this week?

Thanks
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Re: [Slashcode-general] slash 2.2.0

[Alessio B. <al...@al...>]

Chris Nandor wrote:

> Hi everybody.  This here is a last call for slash 2.2.0.

Translation of dates doesn't work and in fact generates error in every
page. I have a patch ready, will send in minutes...

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Re: [Slashcode-general] way to tell what section a template is called from?

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 10:53 -0700 2001.10.31, barry wrote:
>in a template, is there a variable or some other way to know what section
>is currently active?
>
>for instance, in there are template named this:
>
>  header;misc;default
>sectionIndex;misc;default
>sectionIndex;misc;secName

The active section is in [% user.currentSection %].  This is not
necessarily the section your page is in, but it is the section Slash is
using to determine the template to be used.

That is, your current section might be "article", but if you call
slashDisplay('templatename', $data, { Section => 'foo' }), then
user.currentSection will be 'foo'.

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Yet another question, SQL error

[Derek J. B. <dr...@me...>]

At 10:07 PM -0500 11/5/01, Chris Nandor wrote:
>At 11:34 -0800 2001.11.04, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>>At 11:42 AM -0800 11/4/01, Brian Aker wrote:
>>>On Sun, 2001-11-04 at 11:12, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>>>>   Anyone know anything about this, which is flowing through my error logs?
>>>ALTER TABLE accesslog add section varchar(30) DEFAULT 'index' NOT NULL;
>>>
>>>You will need to do this to any site that is upgrading from alpha/beta
>>>versions of 2.2.
>>
>>Cool! Thanks!
>>
>>FWIW, this probably ought to be in either CHANGES or INSTALL. :-/
>
>I am not sure what should be in CHANGES or INSTALL ... it should not be an
>issue in upgrading.  It was not for me.  What exactly did you upgrade
>from/to?

2.1.0 -> 2.1.1

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Yet another question, SQL error

[Derek J. B. <dr...@me...>]

At 10:30 PM -0500 11/5/01, Chris Nandor wrote:
>At 19:19 -0800 2001.11.05, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>>>I am not sure what should be in CHANGES or INSTALL ... it should not be an
>>>issue in upgrading.  It was not for me.  What exactly did you upgrade
>>>from/to?
>>
>>2.1.0 -> 2.1.1
>
>Unfortunately, we have no specific upgrade procedure between various beta
>versions.  If people could send me any problems they have, like this one, I
>can list them in INSTALL and CHANGEs.

Indeed. :)

D


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Re: [Slashcode-general] Yet another question, SQL error

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 11:34 -0800 2001.11.04, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>At 11:42 AM -0800 11/4/01, Brian Aker wrote:
>>On Sun, 2001-11-04 at 11:12, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>>>  Anyone know anything about this, which is flowing through my error logs?
>>ALTER TABLE accesslog add section varchar(30) DEFAULT 'index' NOT NULL;
>>
>>You will need to do this to any site that is upgrading from alpha/beta
>>versions of 2.2.
>
>Cool! Thanks!
>
>FWIW, this probably ought to be in either CHANGES or INSTALL. :-/

I am not sure what should be in CHANGES or INSTALL ... it should not be an
issue in upgrading.  It was not for me.  What exactly did you upgrade
from/to?

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