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Re: [Slashcode-general] Sections in Slash

[<al...@ya...>]

 --- Barry Caplan ?bc...@i1...? wrote:

? I know there will be some issues - the ones that pop to mind immediately are
? - how to get the specially build apache on a shared host
? - how to install sql locally
? - how to install any needed perl modules locally
? 
? First, is it possible to do all that?
? Second, is it worth bothering?
? Third, if it is worth it, how much disk space am I looking at just to get 
? it all up and running?

All these questions require knowledge of your ISP to answer sensibly.
Only you know how good and flexible your ISP is. With some ISPs this would
all be impossible or too difficult to be worthwhile. With others it would
be a breeze in the park - especially if they offer slash hosting straight off.

My suggestion is

a) install your slashsite locally to see how complicated it is.
b) Discuss with your ISP your requirements and how much time you get from their
techies.
c) Do you get a whole virtual machine to yourself? might be worthwhile....
d) diskspace: its in the manual but expect a popular site to require a Gb or more.
e) What about memory usage? The ISP might not want hundreds of virtual host apache 
instances using up loads of memory from mod_perl plugins. 
(Dave Hodkinson on this list reminded me recently that it is possible to get the front
lightweight apache server to proxy on to a second server which runs slash. This might
be an option for you. Look at the mod_perl docs in detail.)

My bet is that because you have to ask this question it is going to proove too much
hassle for you.

Alex



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Re: [Slashcode-general] Discussion Forum

[<al...@ya...>]

 --- Joyce Harris <ha...@AM...> wrote: 
> I have installed Slash to use as a discussion forum for professors at UT. What is the best way
> to give each of them their own space(site)?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Joyce

To re-iterate, you haven't really told us what you want so it is very difficult to help you.

If all you want is to offer professors the ability to upload their own websites then
you could ignore slash and provide them with their own bit of disk space eg
"public_html" directories within their home directories. Any good book on apache will
tell you how to configure that (eg Wrox's book on Apache by Pete Wainwright).

If you mean that professors will be posting new articles then just set them 
up as authors. Users can see the articles by a particular author if they like.
This sounds like the best strategy.

You *might* have meant that you wanted each professor to have a particular section
where articles relevant to them could be stored. Or possibly topic instead of section.
To see how this might work you can visit my www.DiverseBooks.com site - just where
you see a book genre think "Professor" and where you see a section think "type of article
about or by that professor".

Of course you might be after a complicated portal site which is beyond slash's current
ability without plugins being written.

Why not throw together a non-dynamic mockup of what you want in html or even photoshop
if you prefer). It will help you discuss and explain what you are thinking of.


Goodluck.

Alex


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Re: [Slashcode-general] Newbie question: Virtual Hosts

[<al...@ya...>]

 --- Scott Johnson <sc...@na...> wrote: >
> Also, I may be able to contribute some stuff back to the community, but 
> I've never used a CVS tree before. Any tutorials about how to do that?

There's an O'Reilly book on CVS, plus Andrew Ford did a quick reference card
downloadable at refcards.com (There are Apache and mod_perl refcards there too).
There should also be loads of cvs tutorials at www.apache.org and www.sourceforge.net
eg http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=1 lists various CVS documents (section 6)

Thanks for volunteering to enhance slashcode!

Alex McLintock



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Re: [Slashcode-general] Template?

[<al...@ya...>]

 --- Nathan Thaler <nt...@ha...> wrote: > I'm attempting to install the perl modules
manually (bad luck with CPAN) 
> that are required to run Slash 2.0.0.  One of the requirements is 
> "Template."  I looked in CPAN's extensive module archive and I see some 
> Template toolkits and Apache Template, but no tarball that looks like 
> Template-version_number.  Which tar should I install?

I found that the CPAN version was not up to date (though it may be now)

http://www.template-toolkit.org/
in particular
http://www.template-toolkit.org/download/Template-Toolkit-2.05.tar.gz

I think that this requires another module, but I am not sure about 
Apache::Template.

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Re: [Slashcode-general] Discussion Forum

[Markus A. <mar...@ub...>]

> ha...@AM... wrote:
> I have installed Slash to use as a discussion forum for professors at
> UT. What is the best way to give each of them their own space(site)?

depends on what they have to do with their space(site).

Please be more specific.

Markus.

Re: [Slashcode-general] Template?

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 21:38 -0400 2001.09.26, Nathan Thaler wrote:
>I'm attempting to install the perl modules manually (bad luck with CPAN)
>that are required to run Slash 2.0.0.  One of the requirements is
>"Template."  I looked in CPAN's extensive module archive and I see some
>Template toolkits and Apache Template, but no tarball that looks like
>Template-version_number.  Which tar should I install?

The Template module is the Template-Toolkit distribution.

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[Slashcode-general] Template?

[Nathan T. <nt...@ha...>]

I'm attempting to install the perl modules manually (bad luck with CPAN) 
that are required to run Slash 2.0.0.  One of the requirements is 
"Template."  I looked in CPAN's extensive module archive and I see some 
Template toolkits and Apache Template, but no tarball that looks like 
Template-version_number.  Which tar should I install?

Thanks,
Nathan Thaler

Re: [Slashcode-general] Newbie question: Virtual Hosts

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

At 06:16 PM 9/26/2001 -0400, Scott Johnson wrote:
>[...] I would like to create another slash site as a virtual host [...]
>As I read the docs, here's what seems to need to happen:
>
>* Create another MySQL database for the new site (not at all sure if this 
>is required)

yep

>* Create a MySQL username & pwd combo with rights to this database (I know 
>how to do this)
>* Add a new virtual user to DBIx::Password (not one clue at all how to do 
>this, really need help here)

the easiest way, IMHO, is to edit the Password.pm and dup your current virtual
setup, and then change the username,database, and password settings for the 
new site. So if you original had this:

my $virtual1 = {
               'slash' => {
                            'driver' => 'mysql',
                            'username' => 'slash',
                            'attributes' => {},
                            'port' => '',
                            'database' => 'slash',
                            'password' => 'password',
                            'host' => 'sql1',
                            'connect' => 'DBI:mysql:database=slash;host=sql1'
                          },
};

you'd change it to

my $virtual1 = {
               'slash' => {
                            'driver' => 'mysql',
                            'username' => 'slash',
                            'attributes' => {},
                            'port' => '',
                            'database' => 'slash',
                            'password' => 'password',
                            'host' => 'sql1',
                            'connect' => 'DBI:mysql:database=slash'
                          },
               'slashdev' => {
                            'driver' => 'mysql',
                            'username' => 'slashdev',
                            'attributes' => {},
                            'port' => '',
                            'database' => 'slashdev',
                            'password' => 'password',
                            'host' => 'sql1',
                            'connect' => 'DBI:mysql:database=slashdev'
                          },

};

for more info: perldoc DBIx::Password or http://www.tangent.org/DBIx-Password/

Re: [Slashcode-general] Help with plugins & Slash::Display

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 18:01 -0500 2001.09.26, Mark Stover wrote:
>The plugin is called getprefs.pl. Inside the plugins/Getprefs/templates/
>directory I have the data;getprefs;default template, main;getprefs;default
>template, and the new template called create;getprefs;default.

>I try to make this call in my getprefs.pl file:
>
>slashDisplay('create', {
>                nickname        => $nickname,
>                test            => $test,
>        });
>
>The output in my html source is :
>
><!-- start template: ID , create;; -->
>
>
>
><!-- end template: ID , create;; -->
>
>
>For some reason, it can't figure out to use default and getprefs. If I
>change this to:
>
>slashDisplay('main',{
>
>it seems to work just fine. Is there somewhere in the database which
>correlates
>the templates to the script which calls them?

Did you restart Apache?  It might be unable to find it if you didn't.
Check the template editor; make sure the template is named create, with
page getprefs, and section default (this data had to be set properly in the
template file itself; the name doesn't matter on installation of the
template).

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[Slashcode-general] Help with plugins & Slash::Display

[Mark S. <ma...@be...>]

Hi,

I'm trying to write a small plugin that will allow me to display some certain user configurable data on a new page. 

I'm doing some code troubleshooting, and I can't tell where the hook is made between my plugin filename, and the template that it will use. I initially installed the plugin, and now am trying to add a template for additional functionality. The plugin is called getprefs.pl. Inside the plugins/Getprefs/templates/  directory I have the data;getprefs;default template, main;getprefs;default template, and the new template called create;getprefs;default. 

I have run the templates through tpage, and then entered the results into the Template editor from the Slash Admin page.

I try to make this call in my getprefs.pl file:

slashDisplay('create', {
                nickname        => $nickname,
                test            => $test,
        });

The output in my html source is : 

<!-- start template: ID , create;; -->



<!-- end template: ID , create;; -->


For some reason, it can't figure out to use default and getprefs. If I change this to:

slashDisplay('main',{

it seems to work just fine. Is there somewhere in the database which correlates the templates to the script which calls them?

I would normally just re-run the install-plugin script, but it always tells me the plugin is already installed, and when trying to do troubleshooting, its a large pain to have to re-install my plugin everytime I add a template. Is there any help anybody might be able to offer me?


Thanks,
Mark

[Slashcode-general] Newbie question: Virtual Hosts

[Scott J. <sc...@na...>]

Got my first slash site up and running, but now have a new requirement. 
Bosses want to "start small" with an internal slash site, and then build 
from there. Being PHB's, they don't understand that the requirements for 
an internal slash will make the code different enough that "widening" it 
will be difficult. But that's my problem, not yours :).

Anyway, rather than muck up the first slash site, and potentially drive 
myself up allies I can't recover from, I would like to create another 
slash site as a virtual host and then dink with that one. The doc pages 
say this can be done, but, to me, are pretty vague about how to go about 
it. Couldn't really find any mention at all of it in the list archives, 
but the search function seems to be broken there and so I could just 
have missed it.

As I read the docs, here's what seems to need to happen:

* Create another MySQL database for the new site (not at all sure if 
this is required)
* Create a MySQL username & pwd combo with rights to this database (I 
know how to do this)
* Add a new virtual user to DBIx::Password (not one clue at all how to 
do this, really need help here)
* Install the slash site as specified in step 6 of the install doc (I 
know how to do this)

At this time I'm not at all familiar with Perl, but have a strong 
background in RDB design, and lots of cold fusion experience. I have 
little formal training in programming, but have been designing my own 
web-based apps for about five years now. People even use some of them :) .

I'm going to end up having to do a lot of customization to get this 
thing working right. Is the O'Reilly (sp?) Perl book the best for 
learning the language, considering the experience listed above?

Also, I may be able to contribute some stuff back to the community, but 
I've never used a CVS tree before. Any tutorials about how to do that?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Re: [Slashcode-general] How to make blocks appear in more than one section?

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

At 05:08 PM 9/25/2001 -0400, Jason Huckaby wrote:
>barry wrote:
> >
> > I want to have blocks appear in each section as the default. I only have a
> > index;index;default template, modified cosmetically, that works fine on the
> > main page wrt blocks. But I have created several sections, and index.pl
> > does not show the blocks there.
>
>Also.. to call a block from a template:
>
>[% USE Slash %]
>[% Slash.db.getBlock("bid", "block") %]
>
>Just replace bid with block name.
>

Hmm, what if I did made a module that has displayStandardlBlocks (and 
whatever else it needs) from index.pl, let's call it test.pm.

Then I could do:

[% USE Slash %] # maybe not necessary
[% USE test %]
[% displayStandardBlocks("index",Slash.db.getNewStories("sectionname" ) %]


It seems like that would give me the advantage of all the admin interface 
for blocks still applying to each section at the cost of doing 
getNewStories twice for each page (once called by index.pl, and once in the 
template itself as above).

displayStandardBlocks also would be called twice, but once would be with 
the template name itself from index.pl, and the second in the template 
would be with "index" which seems to grab all the blocks ok.

Seems like a kluge, but would it work? What would be the performance hit if 
it did?

Thanks,

Barry

Re: [Slashcode-general] How to make blocks appear in more than one section?

[Jason H. <ja...@ne...>]

barry wrote:
> 
> I want to have blocks appear in each section as the default. I only have a
> index;index;default template, modified cosmetically, that works fine on the
> main page wrt blocks. But I have created several sections, and index.pl
> does not show the blocks there.

I wanted this too.  I accomplished it in a few different
ways (in a nutshell):

-header template
I put stuff in here that I wanted to see on the left side of the "main
display area".

-display template
I made a custom display template to include the templates I wanted 
depending upon the section name.  

If section name="this"
do this

else
do this


Also.. to call a block from a template:

[% USE Slash %]
[% Slash.db.getBlock("bid", "block") %]

Just replace bid with block name.


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[Slashcode-general] Discussion Forum

[Joyce H. <ha...@AM...>]

I have installed Slash to use as a discussion forum for professors at =
UT. What is the best way to give each of them their own space(site)?

Thanks in advance,
Joyce

[Slashcode-general] How to make blocks appear in more than one section?

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

I want to have blocks appear in each section as the default. I only have a 
index;index;default template, modified cosmetically, that works fine on the 
main page wrt blocks. But I have created several sections, and index.pl 
does not show the blocks there.

Short of duplicating the blocks in the db for each section (ugly!) is there 
a way to just get them to show up?

I have looked in index.pl, at displayStandardBlocks. I don't understand 
exactly where all the data comes from, but I think @boxes is empty when the 
section name is other than "index", meaning the big for loop never gets 
executed.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Barry

Re: [Slashcode-general] block configuration question - solved!

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

Nevermind - I figured it out - you have to set the ordernum = -1

Barry
At 10:48 AM 9/25/2001 -0700, barry wrote:
>Thanks all for your help so far!
>
>I am adding new blocks and trying to reconfigure old ones and am seeing 
>the following:
>
>- trying to remove freshmeat form the the index page. I changed the 
>section for the freshmeat portald block to blank. I thought that would 
>make it not be a default (bolded) entry on the customize homepage, but 
>alas that is not so. It does not show up on the index page anymore, so at 
>least that is proper behavior
>
>Any ideas why it still shows up as a default?
>
>I have restarted apache and slashd hoping that would help, but it didn't...
>
>
>Barry
>

[Slashcode-general] block configuration question

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

Thanks all for your help so far!

I am adding new blocks and trying to reconfigure old ones and am seeing the 
following:

- trying to remove freshmeat form the the index page. I changed the section 
for the freshmeat portald block to blank. I thought that would make it not 
be a default (bolded) entry on the customize homepage, but alas that is not 
so. It does not show up on the index page anymore, so at least that is 
proper behavior

Any ideas why it still shows up as a default?

I have restarted apache and slashd hoping that would help, but it didn't...


Barry

Re: [Slashcode-general] mod_rewrite?

[<al...@ya...>]

 --- barry <sla...@i1...> wrote: > my server (like everyone's probably) is getting
pounded by nimda scans. I 
> would like to use mod_rewrite to deflect those somehow (I found some 
> examples on the net somewhere, url not handy right now).
> 
> Then I noticed that running "httpd -l "on my server showed rewrite was not 
> one of the modules.

Is mod_so one of them? If so then you can add mod_rewrite as a module without
rebuilding Apache.  I am sure that a swift visit to www.apache.org will
help you locate the mod_rewrite module.

If you don't have mod_so and hence dynamic modules aren't enabled then you may wish
to consider a *lightweight* apache front end which determines whenther or not 
the packets are genuine and passes them on to your original APache installation (running
on a different port).

HOWEVER how do you identify that the packet is not wanted? do you see whether it is
a request for a particular directory? The general opinion on nimda on other mailing lists
I am on is if you are not running at risk software then you just have to ignore
the loss of bandwidth and take the hit....

 
> Of course if someone has another suggestion for deflecting evil scanning 
> threads, I am all ears.

Eh?

Alex

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Re: [Slashcode-general] mod_rewrite?

[Micah Y. <yo...@ho...>]

> Of course if someone has another suggestion for deflecting evil scanning
> threads, I am all ears.

All I did was comment out the line that enabled the 404 error page to be 
generated by Slash from the site's .conf file.  My bandwidth usage went down 
dramatically after that.

mod_rewrite may be a better solution though, so you can still have a 
"slashlike" 404 for other users.

I think you probably will need to recompile Apache.  The Slash instructions 
seem to build a pretty static httpd.

As for recompiling Apache, you might want to look at my instructions here for 
enabling PHP:
http://slashcode.com/comments.pl?sid=01/05/15/1617259&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&startat=&cid=2
and then take out all the PHP stuff and add to the Apache configure line:
--activate-module=src/modules/standard/mod_rewrite.c

I'm not sure if you'd need to do more than that or not, but I think that 
would do it.

I actually played with mod_rewrite on someone else's server lately, and I 
think I'm intrigued enough to compile it into my own.  But not right now, 
have better things to do. :-)

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[Slashcode-general] Apache segfaults

[Iain B. <ia...@ia...>]

This may not be directly a Slash problem, but it's certainly related to =
installing Slash.

I'm using Apache 1.3.20+mod_ssl+mod_perl (+mod_php, but that's =
unrelated, see later).

Naked slash site working okay. In fact, everything looks fine from the =
browser's perspective on all of my virtual sites, but when I look at the =
log files, I see segfaults every few minutes. 186 of them over Sunday.

I've changed my log parameters to log PIDs, and tying the segfault =
(which reports PID) back to the last time that PID was used in a GET can =
be from a few seconds to well over 10 minutes, and occurs in different =
pages. It does seem to happen when the site is busy, especially if it's =
being spidered with WebStripper <sigh>, but the segfault doesn't seem to =
match the PID of any of the spidered pages. (Although it *could* be =
faulting before the access is logged, of course.)

Prior to setting up Slash, I've used mod_perl (built without =
PERL_MARK_WHERE=3D1) with perl scripts, but never with perl modules. =
That may be the biggest change... so it might not be caused by Perl code =
in a module, but by the mod_perl module loading mechanism which I've =
never used before. It might be a conflict with any other Apache module, =
I've never taken the time to weed them down to a minimal set. It isn't =
connected to mod_php, because that was my first suspect, so I rebuilt =
the server without it with no change in the effects.

All modules are static, mod_so doesn't exist.

I can't find any core files anywhere. (Is there a way to make coredumps =
happen? I get coredumps when apachectl segfaults, just not when httpd =
does.)

Probably unrelated, but worth noting: I can't do an apachectl graceful. =
I get an error that SlashVirtualUser is not a recognized keyword. I have =
to do a stop/start whenever I make a change.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Re: [Slashcode-general] mod_rewrite?

[Dave H. <da...@da...>]

barry <sla...@i1...> writes:

> Do I need to rebuild apache? If so how do I add mod_rewrite? Or do I
> just need to add a LoadModule/AddModule pair into http.conf? In case
> it is the latter, I noticed that my machine has neitehr rewrite.c nor
> rewrite.so on it - where would I get those from?

Only if mod_so is loaded...

> 
> 
> Of course if someone has another suggestion for deflecting evil
> scanning threads, I am all ears.

Check the mod_perl list archives, there's been a module doing the rounds.

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[Slashcode-general] mod_rewrite?

[barry <sla...@i1...>]

my server (like everyone's probably) is getting pounded by nimda scans. I 
would like to use mod_rewrite to deflect those somehow (I found some 
examples on the net somewhere, url not handy right now).

Then I noticed that running "httpd -l "on my server showed rewrite was not 
one of the modules.

Do I need to rebuild apache? If so how do I add mod_rewrite? Or do I just 
need to add a LoadModule/AddModule pair into http.conf? In case it is the 
latter, I noticed that my machine has neitehr rewrite.c nor rewrite.so on 
it - where would I get those from?

Of course if someone has another suggestion for deflecting evil scanning 
threads, I am all ears.

Thanks!

Barry 

[Slashcode-general] Fw: Sections in Slash

[Joyce H. <ha...@AM...>]

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joyce Harris=20
To: sla...@li...=20
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Sections in Slash


By restarting the slashd, I was able access standalone sections by =
url/sectionname. Can these standalone sections be used as separate =
forums or should I create virtual hosts for each separate forums? (There =
will be quite a few.)

Thanks,
Joyce

This is the first application of this magnitude I have attempted to =
install so I've run into a few snags.=20

Re: [Slashcode-general] Sections in Slash

[Alessio B. <al...@al...>]

Joyce Harris wrote:

> -Am I right in deducing that the Sections are the way to create
> separate mailing lists? 

Mailing lists? Can maybe be done, but I don't believe it's their first
task. Sections are used to show articles that are not "interesting
enough" for the homepage. The better example, as usual, is Slash with
sections like 'Apache', 'Developers', 'YRO', etc.

> can get to them using: url/index.pl?section=sectionname. But when I
> click on the tag in a story that refers to the section, it takes me
> to: url/sectionname and I get a file not found error. 

Is your slashd running?

> When I make changes to the template, sometimes they take, sometimes
> they don't. I haven't been saving them as default, but I have been
> saving them.

Remember that templates are cached in a number of ways. You cannot tell
a template hasn't changed until you restart Apache or wait some amount
of time.

> Is it possible to create authors that can only administer certain
> sections?

Yes. Should be in the admin authors form.

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Re: [Slashcode-general] CPAN and Slash

[Chris N. <pu...@po...>]

At 21:44 -0400 2001.09.23, Nathan Thaler wrote:
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>&quot;t/select.t&quot; seems to be failing as well (after I forced the
>install Net::CMD). Is that also a function of a broken libnet module as
>well or another problem? I'm not sure what package select.t belongs to?

You could look through the various ones and find out.  I don't know.


>Also, is there an older libnet that I could fall back on that would work
>with Slash 2.0.0 while Graham Barr is debugging the most recent version?

The current libnet is fine.  One test fails incorrectly.  The test is
broken, not libnet.  At least, for me.  If something other than the
mentioned require test fails, then it could be that libnet is broken for
you.


>Lastly (I do apologize for these questions. I'm relatively new to
>working
>with Linux and a complete neophyte when it comes to Slash), how might I
>install all the necessary Perl modules manually? Is there a list of
>modules required for Slash? If so, are they all simply tarballs with
>makefiles? <br><br>

Bundle::Slash itself lists them, as does INSTALL.

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