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From: Miloslav T. <mi...@vo...> - 2002-12-17 16:14:09
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Hello, [sent here, the address at uchicago.edu doesn't work] I have just finished Czech translation of scrollkeeper .pot file from developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status, but scrollkeeper seems to be using CVS at SourceForge. Is there a way to commit the .po file at gnome, or should I use cvs.ScrollKeeper.sf.net? If the latter, my SF user name is 'trmac'. Thanks Please CC: me on replies Mirek Trmac |
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From: <pri...@un...> - 2002-11-05 22:08:19
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$ 85.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 38A -- E-20 Toner Cartridge for PC-310, 325, 330, 330L, 400, 420, 430 ---- $ 85.50<br> </span></font></tt></p> <p><font face="Lucida Sans Typewriter" size="3">Item Xerox Price</font></p> <p><tt><font color="#000000" face="Lucida Sans Typewriter" size="2"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6">39 ---- 6R900 75A ---- $ 55.50<br> </span>40 ---- 6R903 98A ---- $ 46.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 41 ---- 6R902 95A ---- $ 49.50<br> </span>42 ---- 6R901 91A ---- $ 65.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 43 ---- 6R908 06A ---- $ 42.50<br> </span>44 ---- 6R899 74A ---- $ 47.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 45 ---- 6R928 96A ---- $ 72.50<br> </span>46 ---- 6R926 27X ---- $ 84.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 47 ---- 6R906 09A ---- $ 92.50<br> </span>48 ---- 6R907 4MV ---- $ 89.50<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c4c4a6"><br> 49 ---- 6R905 03A ---- $ 46.50</span></font></tt></p> <p align="center"><span style="background-color: #FFFF00"><font face="Arial" size="4"><font color="#800000">call toll free </font><font size="3" color="#808000">1-8</font></font><font size="3" color="#808000" face="Arial">88-662-2256</font></span></p> <i><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#808000"> <hr> </font></i> <p align="center"><font color="#808000" size="3" face="Arial">30 Day unlimited warranty included on all products<br> GT Toner Supplies guarantees these cartridges to be free from defects in workmanship and material.</font><i><font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr> </font></i> <p align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="3" face="Arial">We look forward in doing business with you.</font></p> <p align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff" size="3">Customer Satisfaction guaranteed</font> <font color="#0000ff" size="3">!</font></font></p> <p><font face="Arial"><font size="2">I<font color="#000080">f you are ordering by e-mail or c.o.d. please fill out an order<br> form with the following information:</font><font color="#808000"> </font><font color="#000080"> </font> <font color="#000080"> </font><font color="#0000ff"> </font><font color="#808000"> </font><font color="#000080"><br> <br> </font><font color="#808000">phone number<br> company name<br> first and last name<br> street address<br> city, state zip code </font></font><font size="4"><font color="#808000">Order Now</font><font color="#000080"> call toll free </font><font color="#808000">1-888-662-2256</font></font><font size="2"><font color="#808000"><br> <br> </font><font color="#000080">If you are ordering by purchase order please fill out an order form<br> with the following information: </font> <font color="#000080"> </font></font></font></p> <p><font face="Arial"><font color="#808000" size="2">purchase order number<br> phone number<br> company or school name<br> shipping address and billing address<br> city, state zip code </font><font size="4"><font color="#808000">Order Now</font> <font color="#000080">call toll free </font><font color="#808000">1-888-662-2256</font></font></font></p> <p align="left"><font color="#800000" size="2" face="Arial">All trade marks and brand names listed above are property of the respective<br> holders and used for descriptive purposes only.</font></p> </b> </body> </html> |
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From: Karl E. <ke...@gm...> - 2002-10-31 04:03:08
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Malcolm Tredinnick <ma...@co...> writes: > Yes. When last I looked in the bug tracker at sourceforge (which I hate > soooo much), all of the feature requests looked reasonable. Thanks for confirmation! > The only problem is finding time and motivation to implement things > and fix the bugs. :( Yes, that's always a problem. Unfortunately, I cannot help with coding in C. But don't worry, my requests aren't that urgent. -- ke...@su... (work) / ke...@gm... (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-30 06:14:03
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:49:40AM +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote: [...] > BTW, I filed an enhancement request asking for a --nonet option; do you > have any plan to implement this feature? Yes. When last I looked in the bug tracker at sourceforge (which I hate soooo much), all of the feature requests looked reasonable. The only problem is finding time and motivation to implement things and fix the bugs. :( Malcolm -- Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. |
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From: Karl E. <ke...@gm...> - 2002-10-30 06:02:02
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Malcolm Tredinnick <ma...@co...> writes: > Although this is really a hack. Agreed. > The solution is that I need to fix it properly in scrollkeeper. I just > need to work out all the dependencies on it (which seem to be few) and > make sure everything works with both versions. That's even better, of course. Thanks thus far. BTW, I filed an enhancement request asking for a --nonet option; do you have any plan to implement this feature? -- ke...@su... (work) / ke...@gm... (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-29 22:04:47
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:49:35PM +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Robin Cook <rc...@wy...> writes: >=20 > > Because I have docbook-dtd v4.2.0 installed and when I try to compile > > scrollkeeper I get the following error. >=20 > Make sure ./configure (xmlcatalog) will reach it via /etc/xml/catalog -- > either install in addition to 4.2 or try to work around it as follows > (a little bit dangerous); add to /etc/xml/catalog : >=20 > <public publicId=3D"-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" uri=3D"file:///= path/to your/docbook_4.2.dtd"/> >=20 > You can also try some delegate statements. Although this is really a hack. The solution is that I need to fix it properly in scrollkeeper. I just need to work out all the dependencies on it (which seem to be few) and make sure everything works with both versions. Look for something in CVS in about a week. Malcolm --=20 On the other hand, you have different fingers. |
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From: Karl E. <ke...@gm...> - 2002-10-29 19:52:09
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Robin Cook <rc...@wy...> writes:
> Because I have docbook-dtd v4.2.0 installed and when I try to compile
> scrollkeeper I get the following error.
Make sure ./configure (xmlcatalog) will reach it via /etc/xml/catalog --
either install in addition to 4.2 or try to work around it as follows
(a little bit dangerous); add to /etc/xml/catalog :
<public publicId="-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" uri="file:///path/to your/docbook_4.2.dtd"/>
You can also try some delegate statements.
Example packages you can find here:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/ke/8.0-i386
esp. this one:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/ke/8.0-i386/docbook_4-4.2-40.noarch.rpm
Only tested on SuSE Linux.
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From: Robin C. <rc...@wy...> - 2002-10-28 00:02:20
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Because I have docbook-dtd v4.2.0 installed and when I try to compile scrollkeeper I get the following error. checking for putenv... yes checking for strdup... yes checking for --with-omfdirs... /usr/share/omf:/usr/local/share/omf:/opt/gnome/share/omf:/opt/gnome-2.0/share/omf:/opt/kde/omf checking for intltool-extract... /usr/bin/intltool-extract checking intltool version... 0.22 checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl checking for xml2-config... /usr/bin/xml2-config checking libxml2 version... 2.4.26 checking for xslt-config... /usr/bin/xslt-config checking for docbook-dtd412-xml... * ERROR * Couldn't find the DocBook XML V4.1.2 DTD. Please make sure that you have the docbook-dtd412-xml package installed. If it is installed, the package probably did not register the DTD in the catalog properly. Consult http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/docbook.shtml for more information. configure: error: DocBook XML V4.1.2 DTD not present in /etc/xml/catalog. Make sure docbook-dtd412-xml is installed and registers DTD in catalog. Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:37:02PM -0500, Robin Cook wrote: > >>Is there a scrollkeeper that works with docbook 4.2.0 instead of 4.1.2? > > > Can you explain what you mean and what problems you see. Apart from > requiring the OMF files, why does scrollkeeper care what format you > document is in? > > Malcolm > |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-27 23:09:55
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:37:02PM -0500, Robin Cook wrote: > Is there a scrollkeeper that works with docbook 4.2.0 instead of 4.1.2? Can you explain what you mean and what problems you see. Apart from requiring the OMF files, why does scrollkeeper care what format you document is in? Malcolm -- Plan to be spontaneous - tomorrow. |
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From: Robin C. <rc...@wy...> - 2002-10-26 17:37:03
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Is there a scrollkeeper that works with docbook 4.2.0 instead of 4.1.2? |
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From: Mikael H. <mi...@co...> - 2002-10-23 10:08:33
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ons 2002-10-23 klockan 04.12 skrev Malcolm Tredinnick: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:10:11PM -0600, John Fleck wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 00:09, Dan Mueth wrote: > > > If we have the hacking resources (do we?) I'd like to see it turned into > > a library. > > Scrollkeeper already has most of the infrastructure to be a library (it > even builds one correctly). Before going the whole way down that path, I > want to look at Mikael's comment about Yelp startup times. It sort of > surprises me that not having the files in /tmp makes it so slower, since > that is awfully close to just a file copy. Something is going on there > that I do no understand yet. What I think it does it that it tries to merge several files into one file. Or at least that is how it should do it (iirc). If you run on Swedish it will merge the Swedish and the C files into one file that uses the values from Swedish where it's found and the ones in the C file otherwise. I think it would be nice to be able to tell it to _only_ use Swedish even if that will lead to less docs. Though this process should really be going quite fast, might just be some bug somewhere making it slow. Regards, Mikael Hallendal -- Mikael Hallendal mi...@co... CodeFactory AB http://www.codefactory.se/ Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918 |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-23 02:12:49
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:10:11PM -0600, John Fleck wrote: > On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 00:09, Dan Mueth wrote: > > > > > For (2), I'd be interested to hear arguments for or against it. We always > > planned to turn ScrollKeeper into a proper library, but started with > > scripts so that it would be simple and easy for people to use with help > > browsers written in different languages or using different XML libraries. > > The script approach won't work when ScrollKeeper gets more complex, so the > > scripts would eventually have to be replaced by one or more libraries. > > Right now, I'm starting to wonder if using scripts and temporary files was > > more trouble than it was worth. Is there a value in keeping the scripts > > and temporary files, or do people think we should turn ScrollKeeper > > strictly into a C library which passes XML trees around? > > > > If we have the hacking resources (do we?) I'd like to see it turned into > a library. Scrollkeeper already has most of the infrastructure to be a library (it even builds one correctly). Before going the whole way down that path, I want to look at Mikael's comment about Yelp startup times. It sort of surprises me that not having the files in /tmp makes it so slower, since that is awfully close to just a file copy. Something is going on there that I do no understand yet. Malcolm -- The cost of feathers has risen; even down is up! |
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From: John F. <jf...@in...> - 2002-10-23 02:09:21
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On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 00:09, Dan Mueth wrote: > > For (2), I'd be interested to hear arguments for or against it. We always > planned to turn ScrollKeeper into a proper library, but started with > scripts so that it would be simple and easy for people to use with help > browsers written in different languages or using different XML libraries. > The script approach won't work when ScrollKeeper gets more complex, so the > scripts would eventually have to be replaced by one or more libraries. > Right now, I'm starting to wonder if using scripts and temporary files was > more trouble than it was worth. Is there a value in keeping the scripts > and temporary files, or do people think we should turn ScrollKeeper > strictly into a C library which passes XML trees around? > If we have the hacking resources (do we?) I'd like to see it turned into a library. Cheers, John -- John Fleck jf...@in... (h) jf...@ab... (w) http://www.inkstain.net http://www.abqjournal.com "Sometimes, a diner is all about the mac and cheese." - Zippy the Pinhead |
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From: Dan M. <mu...@al...> - 2002-10-22 06:09:24
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Sander Vesik wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:56:18PM +0100, Sander Vesik wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > > > > > > > As a temporary fix, isn't it possible to have only one temporary file by > > > > > user, suffixed by the login name? > > > > > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> > > > > > > > > That's not a bad idea. There may be some situation where more than one > > > > file is required (I must admit to not having thought about why five was > > > > chosen), but a per-user system using login name is something to work > > > > with in any case. Kind of obvious, in retrospect. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Please don't do this - it will give bad results if you are logged in into > > > an account more than once and the machines have different databases. > > > > No it won't, because you still have to allow multiple files, so > > scrollkeeper will still return a filename specific for that run. You > > can't just have a single file (or even just a limited number of files) > > or predicatable names because otherwise there is the same denial of > > service situation as before. > > > > Right - just that Benjamin's /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> > pattern always matches just one file. 8-) Hi all. It sounds like a pretty good concensus has been reached that we should: (1) For 0.3.x, insert the login name in the tempfile, while keeping the incremented # from 0 to 5. (2) For 0.5.x and later, possibly abandon the use of temporary files all together. Agreed? For (2), I'd be interested to hear arguments for or against it. We always planned to turn ScrollKeeper into a proper library, but started with scripts so that it would be simple and easy for people to use with help browsers written in different languages or using different XML libraries. The script approach won't work when ScrollKeeper gets more complex, so the scripts would eventually have to be replaced by one or more libraries. Right now, I'm starting to wonder if using scripts and temporary files was more trouble than it was worth. Is there a value in keeping the scripts and temporary files, or do people think we should turn ScrollKeeper strictly into a C library which passes XML trees around? -Dan |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-20 12:16:54
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On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 12:13:52PM +0200, Mikael Hallendal wrote: [...] > On a side note, Malcolm, do you have commit rights to the Scrollkeeper > CVS so that you can check in your patches and make a new release of > scrollkeeper? Yes, I do. I've been comitting various patches over the past few weeks (but haven't got to this problem yet). If Dan doesn't get back soon, I'll do an interim release just to get a few of the recent changes out into public use. Malcolm -- Why be difficult when, with a little bit of effort, you could be impossible. |
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From: Mikael H. <mi...@co...> - 2002-10-20 10:13:32
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ons 2002-10-02 klockan 10.51 skrev Benjamin Thery: > Option (2) seems the cleanest to me too, but I don't know if the guys at > Yelp will like it ;-) Hi! Sorry for being late on replying. Basically I'm not totally against it. Though I would have to cache the result in Yelp anyway. Creating the xml-file put in /tmp takes a fair amount of time (try removing them all, start yelp and then start yelp again and you will notice a pretty large difference in startup time). Since the stuff for doing these cache-files is already present in Scrollkeeper I would recommend using this. On a side note, Malcolm, do you have commit rights to the Scrollkeeper CVS so that you can check in your patches and make a new release of scrollkeeper? Regards, Mikael Hallendal -- Mikael Hallendal mi...@co... CodeFactory AB http://www.codefactory.se/ Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918 |
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From: Hans S. <ha...@ji...> - 2002-10-10 14:41:47
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thx it worked :) On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 15:27, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le jeu 10/10/2002 à 13:29, Hans Scheffers a écrit : > > Hi > > When I run scrollkeeper-update, is crashes with a segmentation fault: > > If you have libxml2 2.4.25 installed, downgrade to 2.4.24, there is a > crasher in it triggered by scrollkeeper.. > > -- > Frederic Crozat > MandrakeSoft > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Scrollkeeper-devel mailing list > Scr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scrollkeeper-devel -- Hans Scheffers <ha...@ji...> JifLin BV |
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From: Frederic C. <fc...@ma...> - 2002-10-10 13:27:38
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Le jeu 10/10/2002 =E0 13:29, Hans Scheffers a =E9crit : > Hi > When I run scrollkeeper-update, is crashes with a segmentation fault: If you have libxml2 2.4.25 installed, downgrade to 2.4.24, there is a crasher in it triggered by scrollkeeper.. --=20 Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft |
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From: Hans S. <ha...@ji...> - 2002-10-10 11:29:45
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Hi When I run scrollkeeper-update, is crashes with a segmentation fault: [root@MagnyCours root]# scrollkeeper-update -v scrollkeeper-update: /usr/local/share/omf: No such file or directory scrollkeeper-update: /opt/gnome/share/omf: No such file or directory scrollkeeper-update: /opt/gnome-2.0/share/omf: No such file or directory scrollkeeper-update: /opt/kde/omf: No such file or directory Segmentation fault When I add the directories, I just get a segmentation fault The system is RedHat 7.3, and the Ximian desktop, up to date till yesterday; the problem arises when I try to install the new version of evolution (beta-version), during the postconfig. Any ideas, or what should I check? greetz Hans -- Hans Scheffers <ha...@ji...> JifLin BV |
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From: Sander V. <San...@Su...> - 2002-10-02 21:12:12
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:56:18PM +0100, Sander Vesik wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > > > > > As a temporary fix, isn't it possible to have only one temporary file by > > > > user, suffixed by the login name? > > > > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> > > > > > > That's not a bad idea. There may be some situation where more than one > > > file is required (I must admit to not having thought about why five was > > > chosen), but a per-user system using login name is something to work > > > with in any case. Kind of obvious, in retrospect. :-) > > > > > > > Please don't do this - it will give bad results if you are logged in into > > an account more than once and the machines have different databases. > > No it won't, because you still have to allow multiple files, so > scrollkeeper will still return a filename specific for that run. You > can't just have a single file (or even just a limited number of files) > or predicatable names because otherwise there is the same denial of > service situation as before. > Right - just that Benjamin's /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> pattern always matches just one file. 8-) > Malcolm > Sander There are voices in the street, And the sound of running feet, And they whisper the word -- Revolution! |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-02 21:08:36
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:56:18PM +0100, Sander Vesik wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > > > As a temporary fix, isn't it possible to have only one temporary file by > > > user, suffixed by the login name? > > > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> > > > > That's not a bad idea. There may be some situation where more than one > > file is required (I must admit to not having thought about why five was > > chosen), but a per-user system using login name is something to work > > with in any case. Kind of obvious, in retrospect. :-) > > > > Please don't do this - it will give bad results if you are logged in into > an account more than once and the machines have different databases. No it won't, because you still have to allow multiple files, so scrollkeeper will still return a filename specific for that run. You can't just have a single file (or even just a limited number of files) or predicatable names because otherwise there is the same denial of service situation as before. Malcolm |
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From: Sander V. <San...@Su...> - 2002-10-02 12:56:22
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > > As a temporary fix, isn't it possible to have only one temporary file by > > user, suffixed by the login name? > > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> > > That's not a bad idea. There may be some situation where more than one > file is required (I must admit to not having thought about why five was > chosen), but a per-user system using login name is something to work > with in any case. Kind of obvious, in retrospect. :-) > Please don't do this - it will give bad results if you are logged in into an account more than once and the machines have different databases. > Thanks for the idea. I'll think some more about this and code something > up when I have some time (won't be for a few days). > > Cheers, > Malcolm > Sander There are voices in the street, And the sound of running feet, And they whisper the word -- Revolution! |
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From: Sander V. <San...@Su...> - 2002-10-02 12:52:55
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > (1) We use mkstemp to generate a unique filename each time (and include > our own implementation for use on systems that don't have mkstemp). > > Advantages: > - Avoids the recent security problem (which is fixed in > CVS, btw). > - Gets around the "maximum of five files" problem. > > Disadvantages: > - There is going to be a metric truckload of files with > stupid names floating around in some subdirectory of > the tmp directory after a while. In reality, these are > never going to be cleaned up except by something like > tmpwatch (which is not frequent enough on, say, Linux > systems). > I think we should just declear cleaning these up the responsibility of whatever app uses scrollkeeper 8-) > (2) The scrollkeeper-get-cl binary dumps the result to stdout, rather > than saving to a file. > > Advantages: > - Never have to worry about stray files lying around. > - Makes scrollkeeper easily multiuser without having to > sweat on a lot of the locking issues all the time. > > Disadvantages: > - Breaks backwards compatibility. All applications > currently using scrollkeeper via scrolkeeper-get-cl > and friends. > > Although option (2) seems clearly preferable to me, the backwards > compatibility issues means it is probably an 0.5 feature. This means we > may have to go with the "dozens of stupid temporary" files in the > 0.3/0.4 timeframe unless somebody can come up with a better idea. > this would be preferable, but really, normal client apps should just link to a scrollkeeper shared library and avoid the 'dumping out the tree' process with it all just hapenning in memory and not touching disk at all. At least in principle, it should be possible to run in a totaly read-only mode... > Anybody have thoughts? > > Malcolm > Sander There are voices in the street, And the sound of running feet, And they whisper the word -- Revolution! |
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From: Sander V. <San...@Su...> - 2002-10-02 12:15:52
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Benjamin Thery wrote: > -- Temporary files can be : > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.#, > where # is a number between 0 and 4. > > -- In /tmp, all the five possible temporary files already existed and > were owned by another user. > On the same system we have about 4 or 5 GNOME 2 installations running. > The sunray server here that has gnome2 (i'm not sure why we don't have it on all of them) has normaly ~ 20 active gnome2 logins. yelp/scrollkeeper don't really work on it as it stands 8-( > -- scrollkeeper-get-content-list couldn't write its file but didn't > complain, because the other user owned all the temporary files. > > -- Yelp parsed on of the file created by the other user which did not > contained all the entries. > > -- As a result, I can access only the docs installed by the other user. > > > I think the function get_next_free_temp_file_path() in cl/get-cl.c has a > problem. > > -- Either, it must create the temporary file with write permission for > everyone, This could be a huge & bad security problem. > -- Or, the procedure to select a filename as to be changed (may be by > using a random file name or adding > the username or UID to the temporary filename) > This would be preferable - also yelp (and similar client programs) should probably delete the fiel handed to them after they are done with it... > > > -- > B e n j a m i n T h e r y - BULL/BI&S/GeODE/AIX & Linux CC > > mailto:Ben...@bu... > http://www.bull.com > Sander There are voices in the street, And the sound of running feet, And they whisper the word -- Revolution! |
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From: Malcolm T. <ma...@co...> - 2002-10-02 09:24:57
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:51:53AM +0200, Benjamin Thery wrote: > Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > [...] > > >Although option (2) seems clearly preferable to me, the backwards > >compatibility issues means it is probably an 0.5 feature. This means we > >may have to go with the "dozens of stupid temporary" files in the > >0.3/0.4 timeframe unless somebody can come up with a better idea. > > > >Anybody have thoughts? > > > >Malcolm > > > > > > > Option (2) seems the cleanest to me too, but I don't know if the guys at > Yelp will like it ;-) It's not just Yelp (the change required in Yelp is pretty simple -- I've already looked at that). The problem is all the applications we don't know about that are relying on the current behaviour. > As a temporary fix, isn't it possible to have only one temporary file by > user, suffixed by the login name? > /tmp/scrollkeeper-tempfile.<login name> That's not a bad idea. There may be some situation where more than one file is required (I must admit to not having thought about why five was chosen), but a per-user system using login name is something to work with in any case. Kind of obvious, in retrospect. :-) Thanks for the idea. I'll think some more about this and code something up when I have some time (won't be for a few days). Cheers, Malcolm |