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[Scidvspc-users] Timer vs. Engines

[Nathan N. <nat...@gm...>]

Hi

I've been playing 10 minute games, and there's been quite
a few that I've lost on time, and I'd like to get better at taking
winning positions and converting them to wins within X minutes, etc.


I'd like to know if there's a feature in ScidVsPC to
turn on a timer when you're playing against an engine -- for
example, start at a certain position with 2 minutes on the clock.

Thanks, and great job with the improvements you've made
on Scid.

--Nate

Re: [Scidvspc-users] option premove in fics

[Aleksandar J. <jos...@gm...>]

I've tested it on ubuntu
aand it Works!
Tnx

ps. will be nicer if can be made directly with mouse draging :(

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Steven <ste...@ya...> wrote:

>
> Hi Aleksandar
>
> > Scid vs pc is Great Program!
> > However,Most of the games on FICS are played on 3 0 tempoand
> > without premove option program can't be uses succesfully for
> > playing that kind of games
>
> Ok - thanks for prodding me. Enrico has been hassling me about this too,
> and yesterday I figured out how to make premove without much hassle :)
>
> I'd thought about it before, but hadn't found the nicest solution... Scid
> is such a huge thing.
>
> I've reinstated the <Control-ButtonPress-1> binding for drawing
> arrows on the main board, and this is now available
> for premove. All you do is hold down the control key,
> and click on the FROM square, then the TO square. A green
> arrow will be drawn. (These arrows can be drawn all the time,
> but they only have a special premove meaning while playing
> fics). To cancel the premove, press the "escape" key.
>
> These changes are in subversion, which isn't too hard for
> Linux users - just see the scidvspc homepage for instructions.
> Windows users will have to find a subversion client,
> check out the subversion, then use the "make-scidgui.bat"
> utility to compile a new "scid.gui". Sorry for not posting a
> new scid.gui, but my internet connection isn't the best.
>
> Anyway - please play test this.
>
> Steve
>

Re: [Scidvspc-users] option premove in fics

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

Hi Aleksandar 

> Scid vs pc is Great Program!
> However,Most of the games on FICS are played on 3 0 tempoand 
> without premove option program can't be uses succesfully for 
> playing that kind of games

Ok - thanks for prodding me. Enrico has been hassling me about this too, and yesterday I figured out how to make premove without much hassle :)

I'd thought about it before, but hadn't found the nicest solution... Scid is such a huge thing.

I've reinstated the <Control-ButtonPress-1> binding for drawing
arrows on the main board, and this is now available
for premove. All you do is hold down the control key,
and click on the FROM square, then the TO square. A green 
arrow will be drawn. (These arrows can be drawn all the time, 
but they only have a special premove meaning while playing 
fics). To cancel the premove, press the "escape" key.

These changes are in subversion, which isn't too hard for 
Linux users - just see the scidvspc homepage for instructions.
Windows users will have to find a subversion client,
check out the subversion, then use the "make-scidgui.bat"
utility to compile a new "scid.gui". Sorry for not posting a 
new scid.gui, but my internet connection isn't the best.

Anyway - please play test this.

Steve

[Scidvspc-users] option premove in fics

[Aleksandar J. <jos...@gm...>]

Hi,

Scid vs pc is Great Program!

However,
Most of the games on FICS are played on 3 0 tempo
and without premove option program can't be uses succesfully for playing
that kind of games

Program is excellent for slower games like 3+2 and so on..

Will be premove option be included in some future?

Tnx

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Segmentation fault - editing games

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

You're probably using wish (tcl/tk) 8.5.10
, which has a nasty bug affecting many ttk widgets.
Have a look in the About window.

If so, you'll have to install another wish. 8.5.9 and 8.5.11 are fine.

The latest, 8.5.12, also has a silly issue that breaks Scid vs PC 4.7,
but should be affect 4.8.

Steve

From: Alexandre Godoi <am...@gm...>
Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Segmentation fault - editing games
To: sci...@li...
Received: Monday, 20 August, 2012, 11:15 AM


Hi!
I am using scid as a chess board to reproduce games (reading chess books). I am getting a "segmentation fault" sometimes when I setup a chess position. May be you can reproduce the bug like this:

1) Put in analyses mode (using button bar)2) Do some moves 3) Setup a new position
If you repeat that steps I think that the bug can be reproduced. Scid closes with "Segmentation fault" message.

Do you have any idea about that error?



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[Scidvspc-users] Segmentation fault - editing games

[Alexandre G. <am...@gm...>]

Hi!

I am using scid as a chess board to reproduce games (reading chess books).
I am getting a "segmentation fault" sometimes when I setup a chess
position. May be you can reproduce the bug like this:

1) Put in analyses mode (using button bar)
2) Do some moves
3) Setup a new position

If you repeat that steps I think that the bug can be reproduced. Scid
closes with "Segmentation fault" message.

Do you have any idea about that error?

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Clock/Timer appearance

[enrico t. <eto...@li...>]

Hi, i downloaded in arch the targz from sourceforge.svn and it works 
properly (i had a problem with tcl tk latest version, i ask if possible 
to add a message when you run timeseal the first time (timeseal not 
found) or in alternative, to add directly the path 
/.../scidvspc/timeseal/timeseal.linux directly as a default this is for 
newbies... no timeseal and no message just: impossible to connect if you 
can add something like timeseal not found... or add the timeseal path 
... it would be nice.

ciao & grazie

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Clock/Timer appearance

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

The option for digital clock in scidvspc 4.8 is
   Options->FICS->Digital Clock
To see whose move it is, 
  Options->Game Information->Show Side to Move
, which is not quite the same as clock highlighting, but works ok for me.

Steve

From: FBJ <22...@gm...>
Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Clock/Timer appearance
To: sci...@li...
Received: Sunday, 12 August, 2012, 6:53 AM

I am a long time FICS/Babaschess player (fics id = jadube and mostly play blitz).  I am new to scidvspc.  I am interested in scidvspc for the training/education features, and FICS play.
For FICS play, I would prefer a digital clock next to the board as shown in my babaschess screenshot.  I also like the active clock to be highlighted to clearly show whose move it is.

Thank you,



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[Scidvspc-users] Clock/Timer appearance (Screenshot)

[FBJ <22...@gm...>]

missing from the original post
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t185/222fbj/BabasTime.jpg

Re: [Scidvspc-users] 4.8 release candidate

[Steve S. <li...@da...>]

On 8 Aug 12, at 2:20pm, Steven wrote:

> OS X    http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/mac/ScidvsMac-4.8.dmg/download

Wow Steve - what a great release.

Thank you for your tireless efforts.  You da man :)
I'll give it a spin tomorrow.  (I've got round 3 of the Rooty Hill Under 2200 tonight.)

All the best,

Steve

[Scidvspc-users] 4.8 release candidate

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

If there's no major bugs with these, i'll release them on the weekend.

Steve

Source  http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/source/scid_vs_pc-4.8.tgz/download

Windows http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/windows/Scid%20vs%20PC-4.8.exe/download

OS X    http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/mac/ScidvsMac-4.8.dmg/download

Changes: 4.8 (August 12, 2012)

 General  
    Drag and Drop file open(s) on Windows and Unix 
    Custom background images (jpegs, gifs and pngs) 
    Random sort pgn feature. 
    Crosstable now have +/-/= subtotals 
    (and Player Stats format changed from +/=/- to +/-/=). 
    General PGN search has ignore case option 
    Board Search gets it's combobox updated when DBs are opened and closed. 
    Save game before PGN Import 
    Save game: enable the use of 'prev game tags' for existing games. This allows easy addition of the same tags to consecutive existing games. 
    Remove the 'Scid: ' prefix from several window titles 
    Update some translations 
    Show Linux version/distro in the startup window. 
    Add a patch to make toolbar buttons raise only (instead of toggle open/shut) 
    Add a patch for Chess960 support (from Ben Hague). Unfinished 
 
 Analysis  
    UCI: properly handle UCI buttons. Previously they were invoked at every engine restart. 
    Right clicking 'Add Var' button adds Engine Score comment only. 
    Replace ponder on/off with hard/easy for xboard engines 
    Super quick engine infos can happen before Scid's PV is inited properly. So we have to default to PV = 1 
    Allow xboard engines to use lowercase 'b' for bishop promotion (eg a7b8b) 
    Don't send an erroneous 'isready' (with 'uci') to quiet analysis engines 
    Right clicking the widget allows to disable line wrapping 
    Don't add a line to analysis history if moves are null 
 
 Tree  
    Move ECO stats to the end of line. 
    Several Mask refinements - notably Searches are much more readable and previously clicking on searched lines didn't work 
    Fix up minor bugs about castling moves (OO, O-O, O-O-O) 
 
 Computer Tournament  
    Computer Tournament Book feature 
    Dont' kill tournament if engine crashes. 
    Only pack the first 10 engine combos (which allows for big tournaments) 
    Fix up Xboard time/move command order. Xboard engines should behave much better. 
    Various other tweaks 
 
 Gamelist  
    Show altered games in red. 
    Control-wheelmouse scrolls up/down one page. 
    Switcher now has text on two lines (if icons are shown). 
 
 FICS  
    Digital clocks now (optionally) on the main board 
    Better integration of FICS "examine" and "observe" features 
    FICS has it's own options menu 
    bind F9 to xtell instead of tell. 
    Change the move.wav sound from tick-tock to a short click. 
 
 OS X  
    Filter graph bugfix 
    Material Search properly shows the little buttons 
    Copy and Paste text from disabled OSX text widgets (engines, help, gameinfo) 
    Buttons 2 and 3 are swapped around 
 
 General Bugs  
    Work arounds for wish 8.5.12 and 8.5.8 issues 
    Analysis logs can badly break autoscroll, so use normal frames and scrollbars. 
    Handle PGN parsing of unspecified promotions (b8 becomes b8=Q , for eg).

[Scidvspc-users] Mask, Tournament and Undo improvements

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

Just a quick heads up about some new stuff.

The gamelist now displays the current game in red if it has been altered (and the gameAltered flag is unset/reset according to undo/redo).

The computer tournament has a "Use book" feature for UCI engines.
This allows for much more varied tournaments.

And i got stuck into tweaking the mask feature this weekend.
The Mask is  a powerful feature but the important 'Mask Search' was mostly unreadable before.
It's looking much tidier now, and there's been a couple of minor bug fixes. Notably  'Search Click' is now working.

Code is in subversion only, but i should be making a proper 4.8 release inside a month.


Steve

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidbase and TWIC

[John <jo...@js...>]

On 06/27/12 06:14, Steven wrote:
> I went through the old mailing list articles about TWIC and direct downloads, and have started to think it would be "fair enough" to have a direct download feature.
>
> But i'm probably not too keen on it anyway.  These direct downloads are ChessDB's only decent feature that i've noticed. But there are better ways of achieving the same goal. http://www.ficsgames.org/ is a great resource, and the Million Base 1.74 database is built on twic games i think.
>
> Which brings me to the main issue: A good, free, regularly updated Scid database is what we really want, would save a heap of duplication of effort and be a nice resource. Shane once offered Scidbase on cdrom available by donation, but i never saw it, and it is no longer available afaik.
>
>
> Producing (and maintaining) a high quality base is the issue. But I'm certainly not an authority on database quality, and perhaps the problem is in pleasing "most people" ?
>
>
> Steve


Most people would download all TWIC games just once. Thereafter, they 
only need updates.

With ADSL and better in the hands of most, it only takes a few minutes 
to download the TWIC games, most time is spent figuring out which ones 
need to be fetched to update the database (if you're as disorganised as 
I am), downloading the new files, unzipping them and adding them.

If someone creates a "high quality" database, it might actually not be 
the one I want. Katar's USCF rating is, I think, over 2000. My 
Australian rating is about 1400. I've never beaten anyone over 2000 
Australian (although I've been close a couple of times), I can learn 
from games from that level, so Katar prunes more games than I ever would.

Last week I played a game that started 1 e4 g6 2 d4 bg7 3 h4. 3h4 is an 
idea of Fisher, there aren't many games in my database to look at, 50 I 
think. While there was one game with both rated over 2600 FIDE, many 
were FM level or lower. Those games, of little interest to Katar, were 
very useful to me.

Don't fixate on TWIC, chessdb knows of other sites too.


>
> P.S. For those wanting to test out this feature on ChessDB, I think this patch is correct and needed to make it work with wish8.5
>
>
> --- tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl.orig   2012-06-27 07:46:32.000000000 +0000
> +++ tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl        2012-06-26 21:45:08.000000000 +0000
> @@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
>   # and so never fail to get the latest
>
>   proc ::tools::maximumTWICnumber {{when today}} {
> -    set time [clock scan $when]
> +    set time [clock seconds]
>       set year [clock format $time -format %Y]
>       # might want %W instead of %U; see the [clock] man page
>       set week [scan [clock format $time -format %U] %d]
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidbase and TWIC

[enrico t. <eto...@li...>]

On 06/27/12 00:14, Steven wrote:
> I went through the old mailing list articles about TWIC and direct downloads, and have started to think it would be "fair enough" to have a direct download feature.
>
> But i'm probably not too keen on it anyway.  These direct downloads are ChessDB's only decent feature that i've noticed. But there are better ways of achieving the same goal. http://www.ficsgames.org/ is a great resource, and the Million Base 1.74 database is built on twic games i think.
>
> Which brings me to the main issue: A good, free, regularly updated Scid database is what we really want, would save a heap of duplication of effort and be a nice resource. Shane once offered Scidbase on cdrom available by donation, but i never saw it, and it is no longer available afaik.
>
>
> Producing (and maintaining) a high quality base is the issue. But I'm certainly not an authority on database quality, and perhaps the problem is in pleasing "most people" ?
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> P.S. For those wanting to test out this feature on ChessDB, I think this patch is correct and needed to make it work with wish8.5
>
>
> --- tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl.orig   2012-06-27 07:46:32.000000000 +0000
> +++ tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl        2012-06-26 21:45:08.000000000 +0000
> @@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
>   # and so never fail to get the latest
>   
>   proc ::tools::maximumTWICnumber {{when today}} {
> -    set time [clock scan $when]
> +    set time [clock seconds]
>       set year [clock format $time -format %Y]
>       # might want %W instead of %U; see the [clock] man page
>       set week [scan [clock format $time -format %U] %d]
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A "download latest twic.pgn" button is really necessary? a tool to 
download all twic.pgn is necessary? I know there is a file from torrent 
very large about twic and you can download latest one by one from twic 
site. It would be useful a suggested link to twic or to ficsgames.org so 
i dont have to open browser and looking for, i would add also a link to 
pgnmentor and if you know some other nice and free database, you are 
welcome ^^ .

Could be interesting to have a trace a log on scid about any file 
imported to a database? so i can prevent double import.

ciao !

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidbase and TWIC

[Gerardo F. <gf...@gm...>]

> But i'm probably not too keen on it anyway.  These direct downloads are ChessDB's only decent feature that i've noticed.
>

Hi Steven and the rest,

there is another feature in ChessDB I often use, the ability to
dowload de last games played by someone on ICC. There are several GMs
whose blitz repertoires are similar to mine and I regularly download
their games.

--
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Gerardo.
http://www.nowinchess.com

[Scidvspc-users] Scidbase and TWIC

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

I went through the old mailing list articles about TWIC and direct downloads, and have started to think it would be "fair enough" to have a direct download feature.

But i'm probably not too keen on it anyway.  These direct downloads are ChessDB's only decent feature that i've noticed. But there are better ways of achieving the same goal. http://www.ficsgames.org/ is a great resource, and the Million Base 1.74 database is built on twic games i think.

Which brings me to the main issue: A good, free, regularly updated Scid database is what we really want, would save a heap of duplication of effort and be a nice resource. Shane once offered Scidbase on cdrom available by donation, but i never saw it, and it is no longer available afaik.


Producing (and maintaining) a high quality base is the issue. But I'm certainly not an authority on database quality, and perhaps the problem is in pleasing "most people" ?


Steve


P.S. For those wanting to test out this feature on ChessDB, I think this patch is correct and needed to make it work with wish8.5


--- tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl.orig   2012-06-27 07:46:32.000000000 +0000
+++ tcl/tools/download-twics.tcl        2012-06-26 21:45:08.000000000 +0000
@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
 # and so never fail to get the latest 
 
 proc ::tools::maximumTWICnumber {{when today}} {
-    set time [clock scan $when]
+    set time [clock seconds]
     set year [clock format $time -format %Y]
     # might want %W instead of %U; see the [clock] man page
     set week [scan [clock format $time -format %U] %d]

Re: [Scidvspc-users] TWIC

[John <jo...@js...>]

On 20/06/12 17:26, enrico tognoni wrote:
> I agree that automatic download is bad, but why not a manual download
> from the directory of twic using scidvspc? it could be useful to open

I did not say "automatic," I said "direct." It's in chessdb's menu, and 
users can choose to use it or not. chessdb can also download from 
arbitrary places.

Have a look at chessdb to properly understand what I am talking about.

<rant>
I don't really like direct replies, and for most lists I'm on it's not 
possible for people to reply directly.

By replying directly you ensure others don't see what you say and group 
conversations become conversations between individuals.

Some of my email addresses are just for use on mailing lists, and I use 
firewall rules to ensure that those addresses can only be reached from 
their servers.
</rant>




<rant>
While I'm in the mood, I might mention I generally abhor those who 
combine their replies to several emails into one missive.

Many people use the subject line to decide whether to read messages 
posted to mailing lists.

Most current email client programs can link messages comprising a 
conversation into a single thread, and users can choose to just see the 
head message in the thread in their inbox (or other folder).

For these reason, when I report a problem or pose a question, I choose 
"Compose" or the like, and send a single message for each matter.

If people combine their replies into one message, or choose a "Reply" 
option and then remove all irrelevant text, this threading breaks down 
and people might not see messages they would ordinarily read. If you're 
asking for help this can mean people able to answer won't see your 
question, and if you're trying to help you assistance might be missed.


</rant>

Katar (I don't think he's here) created some videos on using SCID. He 
would most likely be very interested in directly downloading from within 
SCID/SCID as it's very much easier than the technique he demonstrated.

On Linux, I use lynx, awk and wget to get all the PGN files, and it 
takes me just a couple of minutes plus download time, but I expect most 
people use firefox, internet exploder or the like and click several 
hundred links.

chessdb can parse the TWIC list and download all the PGN files, much as 
I can using lynx etc. It can also just get those files needed to update 
one's database.





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Re: [Scidvspc-users] TWIC

[John <jo...@js...>]

On 20/06/12 04:53, Steven wrote:
> Importing games directly from TWIC has been discussed on the Scid mailing list.
> It's certainly a handy feature, but IIRC the consensus was that TWIC
> does't encourage automated direct downloads, and i suppose we should respect this.
>
> Does anyone have a more informed opinion :) ?
>
According to TWIC:
The Week in Chess Magazine
Every Monday The Week in Chess covers all the latest news and games from 
international chess. Download the zipped file of games in PGN or 
ChessBase (cbv is the modern format) format for reading off-line.

TWIC magazine is free for personal use only. All rights are reserved.

> John wrote:
>
>> The "about" details are fairly old. I suggest you provide more
> fine-grained details, especially for those who build from SVN.
>
> Hmm - maybe. But afaics it's not really an issue.
>
>> I logged onto FICS, started observing a game. I have no controls...
>
> FICS's examine feature lets you do what you want.
> For more help about FICS, type "help observe" and "help examine".

One examines games after they're played. One observes games in progres, 
and the going back and forth is implemented in every other FICS 
interface I've used including SCID, Eboard, Xboard. It's true they all 
advance to the current position when the relay reports a move, and it's 
also true that regularly SCID gets very confused, regularly losing the 
moves history and, instead, starting with a FEN position.

Eboard implements the back and forward FICS commands so one can just use 
its navigation buttons and keyboard combinations to navigate whether 
observing or examining.




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Re: [Scidvspc-users] TWIC

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

Importing games directly from TWIC has been discussed on the Scid mailing list.
It's certainly a handy feature, but IIRC the consensus was that TWIC
does't encourage automated direct downloads, and i suppose we should respect this.

Does anyone have a more informed opinion :) ?

John wrote:

> The "about" details are fairly old. I suggest you provide more 
fine-grained details, especially for those who build from SVN.

Hmm - maybe. But afaics it's not really an issue.

> I logged onto FICS, started observing a game. I have no controls...

FICS's examine feature lets you do what you want.
For more help about FICS, type "help observe" and "help examine".

Steve

[Scidvspc-users] TWIC

[John <jo...@js...>]

chessdb, another SCID fork, can download and import games directly, not 
just from TWIC, but from other sites too.

It's a useful feature that might be easily incorporated (ie copied from 
chessdb).





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[Scidvspc-users] What version and I running?

[John <jo...@js...>]

To answer this question, I clicked help/About.

The "about" details are fairly old. I suggest you provide more 
fine-grained details, especially for those who build from SVN. I further 
suggest you update the version information each time you checkin, and 
further qualify it with the build time in UTC. Then, when someone 
provides that information, you can easily check whether it's built from 
the latest source.





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[Scidvspc-users] Observe window

[John <jo...@js...>]

I logged onto FICS, started observing a game. I have no controls so I 
can't go back and forth in the game, or flip the board etc.

Just to be sure, I ran an svn && make && sudo make install

Problem persists.


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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crosstable win/loss/draw

[Steven <ste...@ya...>]

>>  I've added a Win/Loss/Draw feature to the crosstable (in subversion). 
> It's pretty handy actually :)
>>  At the end of the line for Swiss and All-Play-All crosstables, the 
> win/loss/draw results are shown in brackets.
>> 
>> 
> Where do you get the data?

I've uploaded my (modest) personal database of international games here

http://sourceforge.net/projects/scidvspc/files/support%20files/sa_database.tar.bz2/download

Have a look at windows->tournament_finder. Middle clicking on a tournament will open the
crosstable for it. There are some huge free databases around the place, including Icofy and Million base.

I have also changed the Player Information window to display data in a similar way -
ie +win / -loss / =draw instead of +win / =draw / -loss.
It's not a major change, but could also use some testing.

Steve

Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crosstable win/loss/draw

[Gmail <pab...@gm...>]

Hi John,
Thanks for your update info. Please clear which data you refer in your 
question.
Regards,
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From: "John" <jo...@js...>
To: <sci...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crosstable win/loss/draw


> On 06/08/12 13:43, Steven wrote:
>> I've added a Win/Loss/Draw feature to the crosstable (in subversion). 
>> It's pretty handy actually :)
>> At the end of the line for Swiss and All-Play-All crosstables, the 
>> win/loss/draw results are shown in brackets.
>>
>>
> Where do you get the data?
>
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Re: [Scidvspc-users] Crosstable win/loss/draw

[John <jo...@js...>]

On 06/08/12 13:43, Steven wrote:
> I've added a Win/Loss/Draw feature to the crosstable (in subversion). It's pretty handy actually :)
> At the end of the line for Swiss and All-Play-All crosstables, the win/loss/draw results are shown in brackets.
>
>
Where do you get the data?