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Re: [pilot-db-list] palm db tools

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, marc-chalain wrote:

> i work on palm db tools.
> Now i have a graphics tools that works on Linux and can be build under
> Windows and Mac.
> For the informations i use QT a multiplatform graphic tool kit that used
> with KDE (a Linux Desktop).
> The current name is: qpalm_db_tool, use *.ifo file to store the database
> informations and *.csv file to store database data.


> Waht name i will give to the application? (pilot-db-desktop.exe,
> pilot-DB.exe, DB.exe...)



I'm pretty open minded with the name, but I definitely don't like the 
word 'tool' in it.  'tool' doesn't really add any information about what 
the program does, 'converter' might be better, or you could just drop it 
all together and get something like 'qdb' 




> Which exetension i will use to store the database informations (very
> important!)? (*.ifo, *.pdt, *.db ....)

	I'd say *.csv, *.pdb, *.ifo

	(if you make them easily definable at configure time even better)


	-Scott

Re: [pilot-db-list] palm db tools

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

From: marc-chalain <mar...@wa...>

> Now i have a graphics tools that works on Linux and can be build under
> Windows and Mac.

> For the informations i use QT a multiplatform graphic tool kit that used
> with KDE (a Linux Desktop).

> The current name is: qpalm_db_tool, use *.ifo file to store the database
> informations and *.csv file to store database data.
> 
> Waht name i will give to the application? (pilot-db-desktop.exe,
> pilot-DB.exe, DB.exe...)

What is the normal naming convention for tools built with KDE/Qt?  I have
never used any, so I don't have any idea.  I would not call it a name
with just pilot-db or db as the name; there should be something in the name 
that indicates that it is not the palmos side.

> Which exetension i will use to store the database informations (very
> important!)? (*.ifo, *.pdt, *.db ....)

I think that .csv (raw data), .ifo (metadata), and .pdb (resulting DB file)
should be the extensions.  What about extensions for the DB filters?
-- 
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[pilot-db-list] palm db tools

[marc-chalain <mar...@wa...>]

i work on palm db tools.
Now i have a graphics tools that works on Linux and can be build under
Windows and Mac.
For the informations i use QT a multiplatform graphic tool kit that used
with KDE (a Linux Desktop).
The current name is: qpalm_db_tool, use *.ifo file to store the database
informations and *.csv file to store database data.

Waht name i will give to the application? (pilot-db-desktop.exe,
pilot-DB.exe, DB.exe...)
Which exetension i will use to store the database informations (very
important!)? (*.ifo, *.pdt, *.db ....)

I'm waiting your point of view.

I build a Windows version when i will find a Windows box.

Salut,
Marc.

Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

> 
> 	Well, I can't reproduce the first one any longer. I think
> it was related with the DBDatabase.pdb file : when I changed the
> first time from 0.3.3d to 0.3.4 I lost the categories infos. Then
> I reinstalled 0.3.3d and a few days after tried the new 0.3.4. I
> got the same behaviour but this time I didn't recreate the missing
> informations. So I played with a desynchronized (in some way)
> DBDatabase.pdb and DB.prc. I got the problem. Now that I have
> deleted and recreate the DBDatabase.pdb it seems ok. Can't tell
> you more, I keep studying the case :-)


	Great! It must be fixed ;)

> 
> 	The second one is not currently reproducible (Don't know
> the right word : I can't reproduce it).
> 
	reproducible, that's the right word...


> 	Since yesterday, I played with 0.3.4beta5 without any
> problems, using calculated fields in real life databases. Soon
> I'll create more bases with ideas I get since some weeks...
> 


	Great.  Thanks for the help.

	-Scott

Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> I'm definitely getting the last record error, both in the list view, and
> when you have a list view selection for a linked table.

	Scott said it'll be corrected in next beta.

> Also Beta 5 crashes on exit fairly consistently, and I have dropped back to
> 3.3 (sorry)

	I got just one crash. Palm VX OS 3.5. You ?

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> > 	o There's still the same problem with default values in
> > "integer" and "float" types : each time you assign them, you loose
> > the list views. You have to rebuild them from scratch.
> 
> > 	o Got a fatal exception when copying a database (DB type)
> > with data and design. Then the base is duplicated but doesn't
> > appear in the list. It reappears by rescanning databases. I
> > remembered the problem with caterories so I deleted the DBDatabases
> > file on the Palm. This way, I lost all categories. But the crash
> > still happened.
> 
> 	Can you give me more information on these? I can't duplicate the 
> first one yet.
> 

	Well, I can't reproduce the first one any longer. I think
it was related with the DBDatabase.pdb file : when I changed the
first time from 0.3.3d to 0.3.4 I lost the categories infos. Then
I reinstalled 0.3.3d and a few days after tried the new 0.3.4. I
got the same behaviour but this time I didn't recreate the missing
informations. So I played with a desynchronized (in some way)
DBDatabase.pdb and DB.prc. I got the problem. Now that I have
deleted and recreate the DBDatabase.pdb it seems ok. Can't tell
you more, I keep studying the case :-)

	The second one is not currently reproducible (Don't know
the right word : I can't reproduce it).

	Since yesterday, I played with 0.3.4beta5 without any
problems, using calculated fields in real life databases. Soon
I'll create more bases with ideas I get since some weeks...

	Fab.

Re: [krohorl@bigfoot.com: Re: [pilot-db-list] Calculated fields wish]

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> perform the action.  I can also jump into a record in DB, but I had to 
> recompile to ensure that Global Find was on, and I had to set the global 
> preference in DB to make sure that Global Find would be used.  (I seemed 
> to be able to jump around in both MegaWiki 4.0 and 4.1b4)

	Cool. So it's just a matter of Global Find disabled in
current version. Good news. Thanks.
	Fab.

RE: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Carson Wilcox wrote:

> I'm about ready to do the same. I especially miss the
> global search, actually the db is pretty worthless for
> me with out that feature.
> 
> Carson
> 
> --- "KANE Peter (CA)" <Pet...@er...> wrote:
> > I'm definitely getting the last record error, both
> > in the list view, and
> > when you have a list view selection for a linked
> > table.
> > 
> > Also Beta 5 crashes on exit fairly consistently, and
> > I have dropped back to
> > 3.3 (sorry)

  
	We need to know what version of Palm OS you are using, otherwise 
finding the bugs you mention can be much harder.  Also any details about 
when or how db fails are extremely important.  If you can cut down the 
time we spend trying to reproduce an error, we have a lot more time to 
spend going about fixing it.  I have taken care of the last record error 
in the list view, and some (I believe all) of the problems with global 
search, but I don't really know any of the details behind the other errors 
you mention.

	Thanks for testing,

	Scott

[pilot-db-list] Question

[charles-emmanuel F. <cha...@or...>]

Hi,

I am using pilot-db (0.3.2) on my palm.

When using pdb2csv on NT to get a csv file on my PC matching my Palm
database, I have an error:

Sport.PDB: unsupported field type

My sport.db database use text,list,date,and note fields

(When i drop list column in my palm DB, it seems to work).

Any help?

RE: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

I'm about ready to do the same. I especially miss the
global search, actually the db is pretty worthless for
me with out that feature.

Carson

--- "KANE Peter (CA)" <Pet...@er...> wrote:
> I'm definitely getting the last record error, both
> in the list view, and
> when you have a list view selection for a linked
> table.
> 
> Also Beta 5 crashes on exit fairly consistently, and
> I have dropped back to
> 3.3 (sorry)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fab [mailto:kr...@bi...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2002 4:23
> To: Pil...@li...
> Subject: Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5
> feedbacks
> 
> 
> > Fab, thanks for the reports.  I believe I have
> fixed the scripting 
> > problems in my code, I will give the changes to
> marc soon.  I'll also take
> 
> > a look at some of the other bugs you mentioned (I
> still can't get the last
> 
> > record error to occur on my emulator, though...)
> 
> 	Thanks for the quick answers :-)
> 	I've already said to Marc the good job he's doing,
> but
> I don't remember telling you how great the
> calculated field is.
> It's so cool to have a strong scripting language
> rather than those
> weird clicking things where you can't do what you
> want because
> the designer of the prog hasn't just imagined what's
> in your mind...
> 
> 
> > Now, when scripts are redefined, they should be
> re-run on the database 
> > automatically.  In addition, you can check the
> global preference "Rebuild 
> > Records after edits"  and this will ensure that
> all scripts are run before
> 
> > entering the list view.
> > > 	o For testing purpose mainly, couldn't we have
> a parameter
> > > to get automatic recalculations when we modify a
> script ? 
> 
> 	Well, cool I didn't see that parameter.
> 
> 
> 	Ok. For people who asked a few days ago, even if
> the stable
> release is still 0.3.3d, I didn't come back to it
> after the last
> testing phase and sticked to the 0.3.4beta5 for real
> life. I got some
> strange crashes (without more informations, I really
> worked :-)
> even one where my base disapeared, replaced by an
> uncategorized
> DBOStmp database that I just renamed to the good
> name without
> loosing data. But features are too cool, I cannot
> wait anymore :-)
> 
> 
> 	Fab.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

I'm definitely getting the last record error, both in the list view, and
when you have a list view selection for a linked table.

Also Beta 5 crashes on exit fairly consistently, and I have dropped back to
3.3 (sorry)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fab [mailto:kr...@bi...]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2002 4:23
To: Pil...@li...
Subject: Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks


> Fab, thanks for the reports.  I believe I have fixed the scripting 
> problems in my code, I will give the changes to marc soon.  I'll also take

> a look at some of the other bugs you mentioned (I still can't get the last

> record error to occur on my emulator, though...)

	Thanks for the quick answers :-)
	I've already said to Marc the good job he's doing, but
I don't remember telling you how great the calculated field is.
It's so cool to have a strong scripting language rather than those
weird clicking things where you can't do what you want because
the designer of the prog hasn't just imagined what's in your mind...


> Now, when scripts are redefined, they should be re-run on the database 
> automatically.  In addition, you can check the global preference "Rebuild 
> Records after edits"  and this will ensure that all scripts are run before

> entering the list view.
> > 	o For testing purpose mainly, couldn't we have a parameter
> > to get automatic recalculations when we modify a script ? 

	Well, cool I didn't see that parameter.


	Ok. For people who asked a few days ago, even if the stable
release is still 0.3.3d, I didn't come back to it after the last
testing phase and sticked to the 0.3.4beta5 for real life. I got some
strange crashes (without more informations, I really worked :-)
even one where my base disapeared, replaced by an uncategorized
DBOStmp database that I just renamed to the good name without
loosing data. But features are too cool, I cannot wait anymore :-)


	Fab.








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[pilot-db-list] Suggestion

[George S. <gsc...@an...>]

The following is a suggestion for the Pilot DB documentation.

It would seem to be the case that it is critical that the last line of
the metadata file and the last line of the data file each end with a
line break.  If either condition is not met, you get the error message
"data.csv:n: number of fields doesn't match", where data.csv is the name
of the data file, and n is either 1 if the problem is with the metadata
file, or the number of lines in the data file, if the problem is with
the last file. =20

Apparently without a final line break in the metadata file, the program
doesn't recognize the last line, and is therefore looking for one field
fewer than it should be.  Similarly, without a final line break in the
data file, it is not able to correctly count the number of fields on
that line.  Unfortunately, figuring out the problem from the error
message is not at all obvious, and can make it very difficult to get the
program up and running with your data.  I would suggest at least
incorporating this information into program documentation.   =20


George Schneiderman

Re: [krohorl@bigfoot.com: Re: [pilot-db-list] Calculated fields wish]

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

> > However, I am planning to add a script that can be run each time a list 
> > view is displayed,  this could take care of default sorting and flitering, 
> > so that might help somewhat.
> 	Yes it will. Will we be able to trigger the recomputations
> in this script (to get auto-recompute on a per-database basis) ?

	I don't see why there would be any problem with this.


> 	Wow ! It opens a lot of things : filter on special records
> containing grouping informations calculated and displayed alone
> on a screen. I already see how it can help me in my day-to-day
> usage of DB...


	

> 
> 	So, as I speak of wishes. I also use a very powerfull free
> application named megawiki witch enpower the concept of link through
> all the standard applications and databases. You just tap or double-tap
> on a wikiname or string enclosed in separators and depending of the
> separators or the semantic of the string, you're carried to the
> corresponding entry in the database (memo, date in datebook, entry
> in the phonebook) which is created if necessary. You have to use it
> to note the power and the lightweight of the solution to link all
> the kind of informations you can store in a handheld.
> 	But when I tap in DB, the hack is not activated. Sorry, can't
> tell you more.


	Hmm.  I just took a look at MegaWiki.  It seems rather 
complicated, and the manual is pretty hard to follow, but it looks useful 
too.  I installed it on the emulator, and had no problem jumping into the 
memo pad.  Of course, you have to be able to edit the field for the click 
perform the action.  I can also jump into a record in DB, but I had to 
recompile to ensure that Global Find was on, and I had to set the global 
preference in DB to make sure that Global Find would be used.  (I seemed 
to be able to jump around in both MegaWiki 4.0 and 4.1b4)

[pilot-db-list] To M. Chalain

[Francois B. <f.b...@li...>]

French version of mobile DB

Mistake found in EDITER - "Calvier" instead of "Clavier"

Thank for this DB, usefull and easy to use

[krohorl@bigfoot.com: Re: [pilot-db-list] Calculated fields wish]

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> 	unfortunately, there is no easy way to store the current sort 
> order.  So this would be pretty tough to do, and probably pretty slow.  
	I thought of a kind of duplication of structure, but you're
right, it wouldn't be worth the trouble especially if we can store
the sort criteria in a next version (I think Marc said he has planned
that) and the good one can be triggered after recalculations.

> However, I am planning to add a script that can be run each time a list 
> view is displayed,  this could take care of default sorting and flitering, 
> so that might help somewhat.
	Yes it will. Will we be able to trigger the recomputations
in this script (to get auto-recompute on a per-database basis) ?
	Wow ! It opens a lot of things : filter on special records
containing grouping informations calculated and displayed alone
on a screen. I already see how it can help me in my day-to-day
usage of DB...

	So, as I speak of wishes. I also use a very powerfull free
application named megawiki witch enpower the concept of link through
all the standard applications and databases. You just tap or double-tap
on a wikiname or string enclosed in separators and depending of the
separators or the semantic of the string, you're carried to the
corresponding entry in the database (memo, date in datebook, entry
in the phonebook) which is created if necessary. You have to use it
to note the power and the lightweight of the solution to link all
the kind of informations you can store in a handheld.
	But when I tap in DB, the hack is not activated. Sorry, can't
tell you more.
 
	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] Calculated fields wish

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

Hmm, 
	unfortunately, there is no easy way to store the current sort 
order.  So this would be pretty tough to do, and probably pretty slow.  
However, I am planning to add a script that can be run each time a list 
view is displayed,  this could take care of default sorting and flitering, 
so that might help somewhat.


	-Scott




> 	Hello.
> 
> 
> 	Scott, I have a wish about the first part of an
> inter-record formula : can you avoid modifying the vue
> sort order ? I know it can be tricky depending of the code
> structure, but I have a few fields like that in a database
> and it's annoying to resort the vue each time the fields
> are recomputed. TIA.
> 
> 	Fab.
> 
> 
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Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> Fab, thanks for the reports.  I believe I have fixed the scripting 
> problems in my code, I will give the changes to marc soon.  I'll also take 
> a look at some of the other bugs you mentioned (I still can't get the last 
> record error to occur on my emulator, though...)

	Thanks for the quick answers :-)
	I've already said to Marc the good job he's doing, but
I don't remember telling you how great the calculated field is.
It's so cool to have a strong scripting language rather than those
weird clicking things where you can't do what you want because
the designer of the prog hasn't just imagined what's in your mind...


> Now, when scripts are redefined, they should be re-run on the database 
> automatically.  In addition, you can check the global preference "Rebuild 
> Records after edits"  and this will ensure that all scripts are run before 
> entering the list view.
> > 	o For testing purpose mainly, couldn't we have a parameter
> > to get automatic recalculations when we modify a script ? 

	Well, cool I didn't see that parameter.


	Ok. For people who asked a few days ago, even if the stable
release is still 0.3.3d, I didn't come back to it after the last
testing phase and sticked to the 0.3.4beta5 for real life. I got some
strange crashes (without more informations, I really worked :-)
even one where my base disapeared, replaced by an uncategorized
DBOStmp database that I just renamed to the good name without
loosing data. But features are too cool, I cannot wait anymore :-)


	Fab.

[pilot-db-list] Calculated fields wish

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

	Hello.


	Scott, I have a wish about the first part of an
inter-record formula : can you avoid modifying the vue
sort order ? I know it can be tricky depending of the code
structure, but I have a few fields like that in a database
and it's annoying to resort the vue each time the fields
are recomputed. TIA.

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

> a look at some of the other bugs you mentioned (I still can't get the last 
> record error to occur on my emulator, though...)

	I've found that if the screen is not filled (no scroll
arrows), you can select the last record. But if the screen is
full and you have to scroll to vue the last record, it is not
selectable. So, I just reorder by another criteria or change
the order type to get it elsewhere :-))))))))))))))))

	Fab.


		

[pilot-db-list] DB Conduit Beta ready for download

[Nick S. <sm...@po...>]

Hi All,

the conduit I've been working on is ready. check out the Yahoo group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nixdev/

Please read my latest posting at the group for more details.

-nick

[pilot-db-list] db 0.3.4 beta 5 feedbacks

[Fab <kr...@bi...>]

	Hello.

	I'm playing with db 0.3.4 beta 5. Here are my feedbacks.
	(Sorry Marc, I didn't have time to play  with db-tools,
it's a hard time for me work).
	(Palm Vx)
	2 parts : NORMAL OPERATIONS and SCRIPTING AND CALCULATED FIELDS


NORMAL OPERATIONS

	o db light still chrashes while opening a database, just
after displaying the about box.

	o the "about" box at each db openning is very borring :-)
	  Ok, I played it kind and installed plugin.prc. Deleted it :-)

	o I saw the last record bug. You can't access it but it's
correctly diplayed on screen.

	o Still can't see the "linked" type value until the second
modification of the record.

	o There's still the same problem with default values in
"integer" and "float" types : each time you assign them, you loose
the list views. You have to rebuild them from scratch.

	o There's still a problem with the categories. I lost all
the categories informations. Categories are there but all databases
are in unfilled one.

	o When database is openned in read-write (mode where you
have to tell you're gonna modify a rcord), you can't even select
a value to copy in the buffer without first getting in modify mode
(I think this is so since the beginning).

	o Got a fatal exception when copying a database (DB type)
with data and design. Then the base is duplicated but doesn't
appear in the list. It reappears by rescanning databases. I
remembered the problem with caterories so I deleted the DBDatabases
file on the Palm. This way, I lost all categories. But the crash
still happened.


SCRIPTING AND CALCULATED FIELDS
 
	o Something is strange with this part of the script doc. It
seems parameters fld and off are inverted...
  ffr <fld> <off> [d]   Field - 2 or 3 arguments, the first 2 of
                        From -                  which must be an integer.  The first
                        Record                  argument is the record offset.


	o I couldn't enter a long script like the one found in the doc,
something like :

(sort 2 1) (+ (? (seq (ffr 2 -1 na) %2) (ffr 5 -1 0) 0) %6)

The input field dosn't scroll left when I get to the end of the
line.
	Also I can cut'n paste from a db filed but I didn't found
how to paste when I cut from a memo. I tried the backslash quick
action access but it didn't paste anything.

	o For testing purpose mainly, couldn't we have a parameter
to get automatic recalculations when we modify a script ? 


	Well, that's it. Perhaps more testing later.

	Fab.

RE: [pilot-db-list] Instruction manual for Pilot-DB

[hermann g. <hgr...@gm...>]

hi,

look at the website at sourceforge ...
the URL is http://pilot-db.sourceforge.net/

text from the website: The current docs are a rudimentary collection 
of existing files and snippets. I hope to have them
shaped up into something readable soon

the focus is on developing ;-)


ciao hermann

-----Original Message-----
From:	Fototex S.r.l. [SMTP:fo...@io...]
Sent:	Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:35 PM
To:	Pil...@li...
Subject:	[pilot-db-list] Instruction manual for Pilot-DB

PLEASE ADVISE WHERE I COULD DOWNLOAD AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL FOR 
PILOT-DB ON PALM OS.
I HAVE DOWNLOADED THE PROGRAM BUT IT SEEMS THERE IS NO INSTRUCTIONS 
THEREIN.
THANKS FOR ATTENTION AND REGARDS,
BRUNO FUSARINI
fo...@io...

 << File: ATT00000.html >> 

[pilot-db-list] Instruction manual for Pilot-DB

[Fototex S.r.l. <fo...@io...>]

PLEASE ADVISE WHERE I COULD DOWNLOAD AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL FOR PILOT-DB =
ON PALM OS.
I HAVE DOWNLOADED THE PROGRAM BUT IT SEEMS THERE IS NO INSTRUCTIONS =
THEREIN.
THANKS FOR ATTENTION AND REGARDS,
BRUNO FUSARINI
fo...@io...

[pilot-db-list] a plugin for DB 1.0.0 (0.3.4 beta 5)

[marc-chalain <mar...@wa...>]

you can found a new plugin to select the colors of the application. You
will find the source in the next version of Pilot-DB.
Salut,
Marc.

Re: [pilot-db-list] Can't select last row of any datbase

[<bjo...@pr...>]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:36:29 +0100 aji...@t-... (Hans Ajiet Holtkamp) wrote:
>In the beta5 version I cannot select 
>the last row of any database.
>
>Hans
>
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The same thing happens to me on a Vx running OS 3.5.3

Bjørn Erik

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