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[pilot-db-list] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pilot-DB_and_Mac_help!?=

[<mar...@vo...>]

> Greetings.
> 
> I am eagerly awaiting delivery of my first Palm, an M-130. With 
> rebates from both Palm and Amazon.com, I was able to get the final 
> price down to about $165 US.
> 
> Browsing around VersionTracker, I was quite pleased to learn of the 
> existence of Pilot-DB, but I am curious about a couple of things.
> 
> The installation proceedure for Mac OS is "TBD" (which I assume is 
> "To Be Determined"). Does this mean that it is not possible to 
> install Pilot-DB from a Mac, or is it perhaps that you have just not 
> been able to experiment with it? I would very much like to have such 
> a database on my new Palm, but I have no way to install it from a 
> Windows machine. FileMaker Mobile might be an option, but I have not 
> heard very good things about it.

TDB is To Be Defined, you were not very far :) you can use the Palm Installer for Pilot-DB there is no trouble but any of us have a Mac and is impossible now to build a Mac archiv and describe the installation.

> You do not mention any capability to import or export records. 
> Assuming I can install it from my Mac, It would be nice to be able to 
> somehow integrate Pilot-DB with FileMaker Pro (I have version 6). Any 
> possibility of such? How about direct import from a text file?

There is somes trouble to install Pilot-DB databases from Mac, the PalmDesktop for Mac cuts a part of the database header. Some people who use Mac know how to shortcut this problem, the best way is to contact them on our mailing list. My english and my knowledge on Mac is too bad to understand exactly the way.

I put this mail in copy on the mailing list.

Salut,
Marc.
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Re: [pilot-db-list] (no subject)

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Nathan C Diniz wrote:

> I want to know if there are any restrictions for the program, like how
> many records you can have in a single database and how many databases you
> can have on the program.


Hmm.  Like marc said, there is a limit on the number of records, I think 
it is somewhere around 1200 or so unless you have one of the newer 
versions, in which case it is much higher (perhaps as high as 30 000), but 
I'm not sure extactly.  As marc said, the real constraint will problably 
be your palm's memory and how long you are willing to wait for the program 
to open your database (which I believe is still a function of its size).

-Scott

Re: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5

[Thomas R. <tr...@or...>]

KANE Peter (CA) wrote:
> Thanks. I could not find a "Rebuild All" menu item, 

my mistake. I am using the French version of DB. In English the menu 
item should be "rebuild database"

[pilot-db-list] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:[pilot-db-list]_(no_subject)?=

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?<mar...@la...>]

A good question ;)=0D=0A=0D=0ANo, but Yes. In fact we have a limitation i=
n number of=0D=0Arecords, for a programming reason. I don't know exaclty =
the=0D=0Amaximum number (perhaps Scott can answer), but after there is=0D=
=0Ano restriction like in the demo softwares. The rest is your=0D=0Ahandl=
et memory. The only restriction is about the warranty,=0D=0Aplease read t=
he license file.=0D=0A=0D=0APilot-DB is an Open-Source application, we do=
 that for fun,=0D=0Aand we are waiting for only recognition.=0D=0AFor my-=
self i use Open-Source Software for a long time and=0D=0APilot-DB is my c=
ontribution to the community, it's another way=0D=0Ato pay what i use.=0D=
=0A=0D=0A> I want to know if there are any restrictions for the=0D=0Aprog=
ram, like how=0D=0A> many records you can have in a single database and h=
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RE: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5

[Bill F. <bf...@fa...>]

I am one of the ones that was reporting that problem. Rebuilding the DB
did not seem to change anything. I actually select rebuild two or three
times in the five hour period I am using my palm. That is the last thing
I would do since Thomas suggested it to me before I sync.

I have also given up, for now, on trying to convert the palm db to an
Access db. The corrupt db seems to be the main stumbling block for me.

It is still the best db I have found & have no plans to change or stop
using it.

Thanks,
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: pil...@li...
[mailto:pil...@li...] On Behalf Of Thomas
Rohmer
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:07 AM
To: KANE Peter (CA)
Cc: Pilot-db-list
Subject: [pilot-db-list] RE: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5

> I tried using this version (via XLDBTOOLS) and got the following 
> message on all databases I tried:
> 
> DB3Quotes.PDB: record is corrupt
> #### Command line = C:\pkane\Palm\DB\db\tools\win32\pdb2csv.exe -n 
> dbtools_log.txt -i DB3Quotes.ifo DB3Quotes.PDB DB3Quotes.csv 
> DB3Quotes.ifo
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 

Nothing :-)

Someone reported a similar problem. The solution is: select "Rebuild
All" from the menus on the Palm. Then hotsync and try again.

Thomas

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[pilot-db-list] (no subject)

[Nathan C D. <clo...@ju...>]

I want to know if there are any restrictions for the program, like how
many records you can have in a single database and how many databases you
can have on the program.

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RE: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

Thanks. I could not find a "Rebuild All" menu item, but when I rebuilt the=
 offending database xldbtools worked fine - thanks again. Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Rohmer [mailto:tr...@or...]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:07
To: KANE Peter (CA)
Cc: Pilot-db-list
Subject: RE: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5


>=20
> I tried using this version (via XLDBTOOLS) and got the following message=
 on all databases I tried:
>=20
> DB3Quotes.PDB: record is corrupt
> #### Command line =3D C:\pkane\Palm\DB\db\tools\win32\pdb2csv.exe -n=
 dbtools_log.txt -i DB3Quotes.ifo DB3Quotes.PDB DB3Quotes.csv DB3Quotes.ifo
>=20
> What am I doing wrong?
>=20

Nothing :-)
Someone reported a similar problem. The solution is: select "Rebuild All"=
 from the menus on the Palm. Then hotsync and try again.

Thomas




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Re: [pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic questions

[<kr...@fr...>]

> In a mailing list new subscriber don't have a clue what's
> happened before they subscribed to the list.
> 1. Would the mailing list readers think it appropriate
>    to receive a FAQ from time to time?

	I think that a FAQ in the distrib would be sufficient
for raisonnably smart users :-)))))))))))))))

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB francais

[<kr...@fr...>]

> Bonjour,
> J'ai téléchargé le logiciel, merci,
> Ma question est la suivante comment puis-je (sur
> quelle platforme, logiciel) editer, lire,importer des données ? vennant
> d'Excell par exemple
> Merci d'avance 
> Francis Kobia

	You're are strongly encouraged to speak here in english
because this ML is an international one.

	You can find db-tools on sourceforge for that purpose.

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic questions

[<kr...@fr...>]

> The fact that one can click on the icon to the left of the database is
> not obvious, in my opinion, but it is very elegant solution!
> The easier, more intuitive, but not so elagant version of doing this
> would be to be able to mark and highlight the database without opening
> it and then being able to choose to delete, copy, edit it (etc) from
> the DB-Menu.

	Oh no  ! :-))))))

	Don't fall in this so often seen process of creating
everywhere the same thing because some (the majority ?) people
just want to get things without having to think about it. In
developping a free software people get a chance to develop new
ideas and give them to whoever wants to make some little efforts
to get those new ideas. If DB must mimick thinkdb, why a new
software ?
	Free software is not a matter of being the most used
program. For that we have commercial paradigme. I love db
BECAUSE it's elegant and BECAUSE its interface is different
than those annoying "intuitive" ones, which in fact are never
intuitive, just all the same.
	And I think that development efforts are more efficient
and interesting in creating new concepts rather than reimplementing
the same weird menu one more time.

> Now I know that this is not really necessary, but it would save us having
> to ask the users to read the manual, which no one does anyway!! That has

	You know what ? When I see a button like the one on the
left of the databases list, I CAN'T even try to resist to the
desir to tap on it, and Bingo ! I've found how to copy or delete
even before asking myself about that :-)))))))))
	People who are not able to read doc or to try to tap on
a visible button probably won't be able to use a database program
efficiently.


> means a few more bytes of memory and also redundant menus, but is it not
> worth it?
	:-)))))))))))))))))))) Got my point ? :-)))))))

	Fab.

Re: [pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB francais

[Thomas R. <tr...@or...>]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/palm-db-tools/

skyney-francis wrote:
> Bonjour,
> =20
> J'ai t=E9l=E9charg=E9 le logiciel, merci,
> =20
> Ma question est la suivante comment puis-je (sur quelle platforme,=20
> logiciel) editer, lire,importer des donn=E9es ? vennant d'Excell par ex=
emple
> =20
> Merci d'avance
> =20
> Francis Kobia
> =20

Re: [pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic questions

[Thomas R. <tho...@or...>]

I would let the developers say how they feel about coding a reduntant 
feature, I think I already know the answer :-)

My suggestion is to pop up automatically the main help box the first 
time DB is launched, because it already answers to those basic 
questions. But we cannot be sure that the user has installed the Help 
overlay.

Thomas

[pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB francais

[skyney-francis <cis...@sk...>]

Bonjour,
=20
J'ai t=E9l=E9charg=E9 le logiciel, merci,

Ma question est la suivante comment puis-je (sur quelle platforme, =
logiciel) editer, lire,importer des donn=E9es ? vennant d'Excell par =
exemple

Merci d'avance=20

Francis Kobia

[pilot-db-list] Re: example for link and linked fields (for documentation)

[<Uwe...@t-...>]

Am 28.11.02, 12:08:35, schrieb hermann griebel <hgr...@gm...> zum The=
ma=20
example for link and linked fields (for documentation):

> i have proof readed the german translation of the documentation and i=

> found that the link and linked data types are very misunderstandable.=


> so i created a graph to visualize that, if you think it's oK, you're
> welcome to include it in the documentation.

Great!
I put it in.

I'll deliver the next release to marc as soon as I've
finished taking sanpshots of the german GUI.

Unfortunately I started searching for screen snapshot
utilities before recognizing that the emulator had
one built in. :-(
So this was delayed a little bit.

But it should be done 'real soon now'. ;-)

> the only thing to mention about is that the datatypes of link and
> linked fields are always "string", so mathematical operations are not=

> possible (as can be thought of by looking on the graph).

Put that in also.

Greetings,
	Uwe

Re: [pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic questions

[<Uwe...@t-...>]

Am 28.11.02, 00:07:08, schrieb aji...@t-... (Hans Ajiet=20=

Holtkamp) zum Thema [pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic=20
questions:

> In the past few weeks there have been a number of
> new users asking some very basic questions such as
> 'How do you delete a database'
> 'How do you copy a database'
> etc.

> Now I can understand that these questions get
> on the nerves of the 'Pilot-DB team' - to which
> I count myself to be a part of - but the rather
> frustrated answers (including my own) seem to
> intimidate many potential users, especially such
> that are very new to the PalmOS - we were novices too -
> and often result in them not geting to know the beauty
> of this wonderful program!

I myself would not like the current UI to be changed.
But I see the (nonstandard) point.

It surely is possible to add the usual=20
'mark and select operation from menu' way of doing things.
I've seen it already in an other Pilot Application.
But I think it will be quite a bit of work.

It seems to me that this mailing list is becoming=20
more and more something that I would call a newsgroup.

In newsgroups you have a collection of past postings
when you newly subscribe and it's good practice, to=20
post a FAQ from time to time.

In a mailing list new subscriber don't have a clue what's
happened before they subscribed to the list.

So there's two more questions from me:

1. Would the mailing list readers think it appropriate
   to receive a FAQ from time to time?

2. Would it be better to create a newsgroup for pilot DB
   and restrict the mailing list to developers,
   doc writers, etc.

   There already is a hierarchy pilot.* so we could try and
   get something like =84pilot.applications.database.pilot-db=93
   up and running.

Greetings,
	Uwe

Re: [pilot-db-list] Question

[<Uwe...@t-...>]

Am 27.11.02, 16:12:32, schrieb "mar...@la..."=20
<mar...@la...> zum Thema [pilot-db-list] Re:[pilot-db-list] =
Re:=20
[pilot-db-list] Question:

> It's not a bad idea.
> But the HTML version is not simple to generate from DocBook,
> now. I haven't my XML parser tools.

I have set up an environment where I can convert the XML source
into HTML files using xsltproc.

It will be one big file though.=20
Not separated in chapters.

If you send the necessary files I can convert them for you.

Greetings,
	Uwe

[pilot-db-list] example for link and linked fields (for documentation)

[hermann g. <hgr...@gm...>]

hi 2 all ;-)

i have proof readed the german translation of the documentation and i 
found that the link and linked data types are very misunderstandable.

so i created a graph to visualize that, if you think it's oK, you're 
welcome to include it in the documentation.

the only thing to mention about is that the datatypes of link and 
linked fields are always "string", so mathematical operations are not 
possible (as can be thought of by looking on the graph).

so long, ciao hermann

 

[pilot-db-list] Friendly Suggestion re. basic questions

[<aji...@t-...>]

Hallo all,

In the past few weeks there have been a number of
new users asking some very basic questions such as
'How do you delete a database'
'How do you copy a database'
etc.

Now I can understand that these questions get
on the nerves of the 'Pilot-DB team' - to which
I count myself to be a part of - but the rather
frustrated answers (including my own) seem to
intimidate many potential users, especially such
that are very new to the PalmOS - we were novices too -
and often result in them not geting to know the beauty
of this wonderful program!

I have just added a link to the FAQ in the Documentation
on the main page and found out that there are only two questions
listed!

The two questions listed above, which are asked very, very,
often, for example, are not.

My first suggestion is to get a list of such questions and the
answers. The editors of the documentation should add these to
the FAQ. I could add these to the online documentation myself,
but this would result in a different documentation online, than
the distributed manual - which I do not think is a good idea,
but I would do it, if asked.

My second suggestion is to consider why these questions are asked
so often. I have pondered over this for quite a while and have
come to the conclusion that this must be due to a non-standard
user-interface - I hope the software developers will not undestand
this as a criticism - it does not mean that the one used at the moment
is a bad one -  it is just that it does not seem to be a standard,
although it is very nice and elegant.

In my opinion there are two possiblities - either we keep this
non-standard (and elegant and nice) user interface and take
into account that we will keep getting such inquiries and
keep getting upset about it since the no. of users keep
increasing, or else we should change the user interface
to be more 'intuitive'.

Once we have gathered a list of the recurring basic inquiries we should,
in my opinion, analyse these and react by slightly changing the
User Interface, even if it means double menus and a bit more memory -
I personally think the time we save not answering such questions- if
that would be the result - is worth it.

Take, for example the question 'how do you copy a database'

The fact that one can click on the icon to the left of the database is
not obvious, in my opinion, but it is very elegant solution!
The easier, more intuitive, but not so elagant version of doing this
would be to be able to mark and highlight the database without opening
it and then being able to choose to delete, copy, edit it (etc) from
the DB-Menu.

This (non-elegant solution) could be the default version with an option
in the preferences to switch to the current, more elegant solution.
This could be selected once the users get acquainted with the software,
for example, or be an option directly under the menu with the options
delete, copy, edit etc.

Now I know that this is not really necessary, but it would save us having
to ask the users to read the manual, which no one does anyway!! That has
always been the unfortunate fate of *ALL* developers!! I also know that this
means a few more bytes of memory and also redundant menus, but is it not
worth it?

My last suggestion is to let the users decide if this is a possible way to
go - that would, again in my personal opinion, support the OpenSource idea.

I am not a programmer, so it is easy for me to make such suggestions - it is
just that the tone of some recent answers (including my own!) do not reflect
the beauty of the program.

Once again this is just a friendly suggestion - it is not inteded to be in
any
way offensive to the developers who have really done a great job in their
spare time!

Hans

[pilot-db-list] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:[pilot-db-list]_Re:_[pilot-db-list]_Question?=

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?<mar...@la...>]

It's not a bad idea.=0D=0ABut the HTML version is not simple to generate =
from DocBook,=0D=0Anow. I haven't my XML parser tools.=0D=0A=0D=0A> Would=
 it be possible to modify the "mailing list" page on=0D=0Athe pilot-db si=
te and add on top of this page a pointer to the=0D=0AFAQ? so users can ea=
sily jump to the DB FAQ before they try to=0D=0Apost simple questions.=0D=
=0A> =0D=0A> There are some Q&A related to db-tools that I would like to=0D=
=0Aadd to this FAQ.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Thomas=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > It's=
 in the manual, it's in the archives of this list.=0D=0A> > We answer thi=
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[<tr...@or...>]

Would it be possible to modify the "mailing list" page on the pilot-db si=
te and add on top of this page a pointer to the FAQ? so users can easily =
jump to the DB FAQ before they try to post simple questions.=0D=0A=0D=0AT=
here are some Q&A related to db-tools that I would like to add to this FA=
Q.=0D=0A=0D=0AThomas=0D=0A=0D=0A> =0D=0A> It's in the manual, it's in the=
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> =0D=0A> 	-S=0D=0A> =0D=0A

Re: [pilot-db-list] Question

[Scott W. <swa...@my...>]

It's in the manual, it's in the archives of this list.
We answer this question once a week.

	-S

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Barry E Parkhurst wrote:

> How do you delete a database
> 
> How do you copy a database
> 
> Thanks
> 
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[=?iso-8859-1?Q?<mar...@la...>]

The documentation was written to answer to this kind of=0D=0Aquestion, pl=
ease read. We do Pilot-DB for the leisure, and we=0D=0Amust work like eve=
ry body, to answer to this type of questions=0D=0Atake some time, too man=
y time if we add all of them. If to=0D=0Asupport Pilot-DB begin to be a c=
onstraint we should stop to=0D=0Asupport and only develop in our corner.=0D=
=0A=0D=0ATo answer in the databases list for each database you have an=0D=
=0Aicon. If you tape on the icon you have a tools list.=0D=0A=0D=0ASalut,=
=0D=0AMarc.=0D=0A=0D=0A> How do you delete a database=0D=0A> =0D=0A> How =
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[pilot-db-list] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_[pilot-db-list]_db-tools_0.3.5?=

[<tr...@or...>]

> =0D=0A> I tried using this version (via XLDBTOOLS) and got the followin=
g message on all databases I tried:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> DB3Quotes.PDB: record =
is corrupt=0D=0A> #### Command line =3D C:\pkane\Palm\DB\db\tools\win32\p=
db2csv.exe -n dbtools_log.txt -i DB3Quotes.ifo DB3Quotes.PDB DB3Quotes.cs=
v DB3Quotes.ifo=0D=0A> =0D=0A> What am I doing wrong?=0D=0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A=
Nothing :-)=0D=0ASomeone reported a similar problem. The solution is: sel=
ect "Rebuild All" from the menus on the Palm. Then hotsync and try again.=
=0D=0A=0D=0AThomas=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A

[pilot-db-list] Question

[Barry E P. <be...@ya...>]

How do you delete a database

How do you copy a database

Thanks

Barry

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RE: [pilot-db-list] db-tools 0.3.5

[KANE P. (CA) <Pet...@er...>]

I tried using this version (via XLDBTOOLS) and got the following message on=
 all databases I tried:

DB3Quotes.PDB: record is corrupt
#### Command line =3D C:\pkane\Palm\DB\db\tools\win32\pdb2csv.exe -n=
 dbtools_log.txt -i DB3Quotes.ifo DB3Quotes.PDB DB3Quotes.csv DB3Quotes.ifo

What am I doing wrong?




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