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you may know that there's ready-made spell checker for gtk2:
	http://gtkspell.sourceforge.net/

gtkspell.c of gaim repository is obsolete for GtkText.

Hi.

this make about dialog's text box available.
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 03:00:29AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> On 2002.09.03 01:44 Luke Schierer wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 12:48:21AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> > > aim.c have to activate UTF-8 conversion for gettext.
> > > 
> > > msn.c should not convert UTF-8 to native locale for displaying.
> > > gtk2 is always display in UTF-8.
> > 
> > what effect would these changes have on persons not using the same locale setting to converse?
> > what effect would it have on people not using nls at all (but who didn't disable it at compile time)
> > what effect would this have on protocols besides msn?
> > luke
> 
> 1. other protocols
> it seems that two of protocols: jabber, msn are using utf8.
> and others not.

yes, so in order to make the core use utf8, a patch would have to stop jabber from translating just
as your stops msn, and would also have to translate the others TO utf8.  

> I don't know much of this locale issue.
> but, it was also problem if on gtk1, right?

no, because the protocols translated it out of utf8.

> what should it be Arabic letter on my EUC-KR environment,
> even without utf8-aware?
> if each protocol provide encoding information,
> the conversion to utf8 have to refer the encoding for FROM.
> 
> anyway, utf8 is future of encoding, and presence of gtk2.

gtk2 uses pango though for this, which your patch (continues) to avoid. 
i _think_ the proper solution might be to have gaim use pango instead of 
trying to use utf8 directly. 
luke

> 
> 2. nls-disabled
> I just tried LANG=C gaim and it's ok. by the power of utf8.
> if (a) locale-to-utf8 conversion is ok and (b) fontconfig is ok
> there's no problem whether nls on or off, I believe.
> 
> regard.

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On 2002.09.03 01:44 Luke Schierer wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 12:48:21AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> > aim.c have to activate UTF-8 conversion for gettext.
> > 
> > msn.c should not convert UTF-8 to native locale for displaying.
> > gtk2 is always display in UTF-8.
> 
> what effect would these changes have on persons not using the same locale setting to converse?
> what effect would it have on people not using nls at all (but who didn't disable it at compile time)
> what effect would this have on protocols besides msn?
> luke

1. other protocols
it seems that two of protocols: jabber, msn are using utf8.
and others not.
I don't know much of this locale issue.
but, it was also problem if on gtk1, right?
what should it be Arabic letter on my EUC-KR environment,
even without utf8-aware?
if each protocol provide encoding information,
the conversion to utf8 have to refer the encoding for FROM.

anyway, utf8 is future of encoding, and presence of gtk2.

2. nls-disabled
I just tried LANG=C gaim and it's ok. by the power of utf8.
if (a) locale-to-utf8 conversion is ok and (b) fontconfig is ok
there's no problem whether nls on or off, I believe.

regard.

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 12:48:21AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> aim.c have to activate UTF-8 conversion for gettext.
> 
> msn.c should not convert UTF-8 to native locale for displaying.
> gtk2 is always display in UTF-8.

what effect would these changes have on persons not using the same locale setting to converse?
what effect would it have on people not using nls at all (but who didn't disable it at compile time)
what effect would this have on protocols besides msn?
luke

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aim.c have to activate UTF-8 conversion for gettext.

msn.c should not convert UTF-8 to native locale for displaying.
gtk2 is always display in UTF-8.
Good morning, 

I have just realised why gaim was breaking the proxy settings whenever I
started it.. http_proxy is set in environment and for some reason gaim
decides it should use that proxy even though it is set not to use a
proxy :)
thats bad, because http_proxy is set to "http://localhost:8080/" and
http_proxy_port is not set at all (which gaim later checks after
discovering http_proxy).
It looks like gaim also checks for HTTP_PROXY and HTTPPROXY environment
variables, so presumably if I set those to anything then gaim would fail
to connect anywhere.

all because of 

if (proxyhost[0])
  proxytype = PROXY_HTTP;

in src/gaimrc.c

All gaim ends up with after trying to discover proxy settings is yes to
use a http proxy, and random strings for the proxy settings.  This
happens with both the 0.59 and 0.60 cvs trees.  Gaim should probably
only attempt to discover proxy settings from environment if there is no
.gaimrc file present, that is the most sensible suggestion I can come up
with.

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On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 03:09:45AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> On 2002.08.26 22:45 Luke Schierer wrote:
> 
> eh, I think I did obsolete sort of patch.
> I did AC_DEFINE(USE_GTK2) to make decision --enable-gtk2 or not.
> and replace all GTK_CHECK_VERSION(1,3,0) with it eventually.
> 
> however Christian told me that it's going on to branch gtk2-only HEAD.
> what should I do in this flexible condition?
> what is the rule detail to port to gtk2-only?
> 
> I think it's better for me to wait till obvious change come up to cvs.
> tell me how.
> 
> thanks.

we have created 2 branches to cvs. HEAD is gtk2 only, so no conditonal of the type
you are using are needed. gtk1-stable has the ifdefs for gtk2 use in it, but is a tree
maintained for bug fixes, and exists solely for those who are unable to use gtk2 from cvs.
this will be especially true once 0.60 is ready and released.  so in the end, since --enable-gtk2 
won't, or at least shouldn't, be used in either tree at this point, i don't think we need to 
worry about the logic with which its used.
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On 2002.08.26 22:45 Luke Schierer wrote:
> > I'll submit patches from smaller one to bigger one,
> > after I have sure for that it's right patch.
> > (atm, almost lines of patches seems to be right to me.)
> 
> use the command
> cvs diff -u > filename
> 
> easier for you, easier for us ;-)

eh, I think I did obsolete sort of patch.
I did AC_DEFINE(USE_GTK2) to make decision --enable-gtk2 or not.
and replace all GTK_CHECK_VERSION(1,3,0) with it eventually.

however Christian told me that it's going on to branch gtk2-only HEAD.
what should I do in this flexible condition?
what is the rule detail to port to gtk2-only?

I think it's better for me to wait till obvious change come up to cvs.
tell me how.

thanks.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:05:50PM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> On 2002.08.26 04:55 Luke Schierer wrote:
> > are you using cvs? if so, how recent?
> 
> yes, I'm sure that it's latest one.
> I did reget whole cvs by two lines of command on CVS guide of gaim.sf.net.
> 
> > this is fixed in cvs as far as i know.
> 
> nope. n'yet.
> 
> > gaim still uses some things that gtk2 consideres depricated to the point of being
> > inherently broken. work in cvs is underway to, very slowly, change that. please submit
> > any patch against cvs, it makes our lives alot easier, some of what you describe makes it
> > sound like you might be coding against 0.59. 
> 
> the screenshot shows you "v0.60cvs" clearly.

sorry, i missed that. 

> I'll submit patches from smaller one to bigger one,
> after I have sure for that it's right patch.
> (atm, almost lines of patches seems to be right to me.)

use the command
cvs diff -u > filename

easier for you, easier for us ;-)
luke

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On 2002.08.26 04:55 Luke Schierer wrote:
> are you using cvs? if so, how recent?

yes, I'm sure that it's latest one.
I did reget whole cvs by two lines of command on CVS guide of gaim.sf.net.

> this is fixed in cvs as far as i know.

nope. n'yet.

> gaim still uses some things that gtk2 consideres depricated to the point of being
> inherently broken. work in cvs is underway to, very slowly, change that. please submit
> any patch against cvs, it makes our lives alot easier, some of what you describe makes it
> sound like you might be coding against 0.59. 

the screenshot shows you "v0.60cvs" clearly.
I'll submit patches from smaller one to bigger one,
after I have sure for that it's right patch.
(atm, almost lines of patches seems to be right to me.)

On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:41:52AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I'm doing provement for gaim with gtk2.
> and face an i18n problem.

are you using cvs? if so, how recent?

> 
> first of all, take a look at here:
> http://gnome.or.kr/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=gnome-apps&id=acr
> 
> this is screenshot of gaim for gtk2 with my little patch.
> it does well getting contact list etc.
> but cannot chat with other person in my native language:

this is fixed in cvs as far as i know.

> 
> like about dialog does, chat dialog uses GtkText as input form.
> but GtkText does not allow GTK+-2.0 stuff,
> such as XFT, context menu allowing input method list, etc.
> GtkText in this GTK+-2.0 is really broken, worse than that of GTK+-1.2
> for the matter of i18n.
> 
> yeah, there's GtkTextView the powerful and clear.
> but gaim has already many #if-#else-#endif block for all-branches-in-one.
> and I don't like to do heavy job like that.
> I just wanna do thing as simple as possible.
> 
> Is there something I missed?
> I did bind_textdomain_codeset(PACKAGE,"UTF-8"); with another two command;
> and call gtk_set_locale(); explicitly,
> thou I know gtk_init() of gtk2 does it internally.
> and I'm using full XFT=1 environment, so there's nothing for gtk1 rc.
> 
> it's disappointment to see a situation like this.
> even deprecated, GtkText is a widget of GTK+-2.0 obviously.
> I cannot understand why GtkText does not harmony with XFT environment.
> I'll analyse balsa HEAD for a sample of GtkText in GTK+-2.0.

gaim still uses some things that gtk2 consideres depricated to the point of being
inherently broken. work in cvs is underway to, very slowly, change that. please submit
any patch against cvs, it makes our lives alot easier, some of what you describe makes it
sound like you might be coding against 0.59. 

luke

> 
> pliz help me.
> thanks.
> 
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:41:52AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I'm doing provement for gaim with gtk2.
> and face an i18n problem.
> 
> first of all, take a look at here:
> http://gnome.or.kr/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=gnome-apps&id=acr
> 
> this is screenshot of gaim for gtk2 with my little patch.
> it does well getting contact list etc.
> but cannot chat with other person in my native language:
> 
> like about dialog does, chat dialog uses GtkText as input form.
> but GtkText does not allow GTK+-2.0 stuff,
> such as XFT, context menu allowing input method list, etc.
> GtkText in this GTK+-2.0 is really broken, worse than that of GTK+-1.2
> for the matter of i18n.
> 
> yeah, there's GtkTextView the powerful and clear.
> but gaim has already many #if-#else-#endif block for all-branches-in-one.
> and I don't like to do heavy job like that.
> I just wanna do thing as simple as possible.

Actually, there is now a gtk1-stable branch. HEAD will now be gtk2
only. Things will be ported over, though it will require some
patience, as there is much to do before 0.60.

Christian

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Hi.

I'm doing provement for gaim with gtk2.
and face an i18n problem.

first of all, take a look at here:
http://gnome.or.kr/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=gnome-apps&id=acr

this is screenshot of gaim for gtk2 with my little patch.
it does well getting contact list etc.
but cannot chat with other person in my native language:

like about dialog does, chat dialog uses GtkText as input form.
but GtkText does not allow GTK+-2.0 stuff,
such as XFT, context menu allowing input method list, etc.
GtkText in this GTK+-2.0 is really broken, worse than that of GTK+-1.2
for the matter of i18n.

yeah, there's GtkTextView the powerful and clear.
but gaim has already many #if-#else-#endif block for all-branches-in-one.
and I don't like to do heavy job like that.
I just wanna do thing as simple as possible.

Is there something I missed?
I did bind_textdomain_codeset(PACKAGE,"UTF-8"); with another two command;
and call gtk_set_locale(); explicitly,
thou I know gtk_init() of gtk2 does it internally.
and I'm using full XFT=1 environment, so there's nothing for gtk1 rc.

it's disappointment to see a situation like this.
even deprecated, GtkText is a widget of GTK+-2.0 obviously.
I cannot understand why GtkText does not harmony with XFT environment.
I'll analyse balsa HEAD for a sample of GtkText in GTK+-2.0.

pliz help me.
thanks.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 01:10:44PM -0400, Lenny Maiorani wrote:
> I am a GAIM fan, but lately I have been needing to switch to LICQ for 
> the SMS feature.  Will GAIM's ICQ protocol ever include SMS send/recieve?

eventually, yes. sooner if someone decides to submit a patch than if it has 
to wait for mark or sean to have time to reverse engineer it.

luke

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On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 18:07, Etan Reisner wrote:
> By "on the fly" do you mean without having to save it now, or having had 
> it saved before, then look at New Away Message in Tools->Away, I also made

Oh... Yes that's basically what I meant. :) Would be nice to have this
in the away toolbar button though. Maybe below or above the other
predefined items (in the menu that popups when the button is pressed) as
a "enter new..." item or something like that.
The GUI can really be quite confusing at first. :)

- Daniel

By "on the fly" do you mean without having to save it now, or having had 
it saved before, then look at New Away Message in Tools->Away, I also made
a patch which puts that item in each protocols submenu, so you can do that
on a per account basis, the patch is at
http://sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=565191&group_id=235&atid=300235.

	-Etan

On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 04:33, Luke Schierer wrote:
> > I was wondering (hoping) if you might be able to include a Global 
> > Hidden/Invisible feature similar to the Global Away feature already 
> > incorporated in GAIM.  This would obviously not work with MSN, but it would 
> > work with most of the other protocols.
> 
> it would only work for jabber, msn, yahoo and icq. it wouldn't work for aim, irc, 
> gadu-gadu, zepher or napster. the preponderance is on protocols it wouldn't work for.
> luke

Still it would be nice, as many people only use a few protocols so this
is a feature missing for them. Sometimes I whish I could select N/A for
every protocol I use (Jabber, ICQ, AIM). 
I also miss the ability to quickly set an away reason "on the fly".

- Daniel

On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:31:12PM -0400, Mark Doliner wrote:
> Offline ICQ messages work fine.  Just send a message to the person and they
> should get it when they sign online.  "File->New Instant Message" or the "Send
> Instant Message" button.
> -Mark

or go to the edit buddies tab and right click on the person you wish to send an offline
message to.
luke

> 
> > I was wondering (hoping) if you might be able to include a Global 
> > Hidden/Invisible feature similar to the Global Away feature already 
> > incorporated in GAIM.  This would obviously not work with MSN, but 
> > it would work with most of the other protocols.
> > 
> > Also, using gaim, is there any way to send a message to offline ICQ 
> > users?  
> > (ICQ used to queue the message on their server until the user came 
> > online and it was delivered.)  I really miss that feature.
> > 
> > Tanx for the wonderful tool that is GAIM!
> > 
> > Jason R. Clement
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 09:26:39PM -0500, Jason Clement wrote:
> 
> I was wondering (hoping) if you might be able to include a Global 
> Hidden/Invisible feature similar to the Global Away feature already 
> incorporated in GAIM.  This would obviously not work with MSN, but it would 
> work with most of the other protocols.

it would only work for jabber, msn, yahoo and icq. it wouldn't work for aim, irc, 
gadu-gadu, zepher or napster. the preponderance is on protocols it wouldn't work for.
luke

> 
> Also, using gaim, is there any way to send a message to offline ICQ users?  
> (ICQ used to queue the message on their server until the user came online 
> and it was delivered.)  I really miss that feature.
> 
> Tanx for the wonderful tool that is GAIM!
> 
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Offline ICQ messages work fine.  Just send a message to the person and they
should get it when they sign online.  "File->New Instant Message" or the "Send
Instant Message" button.
-Mark

> I was wondering (hoping) if you might be able to include a Global 
> Hidden/Invisible feature similar to the Global Away feature already 
> incorporated in GAIM.  This would obviously not work with MSN, but 
> it would work with most of the other protocols.
> 
> Also, using gaim, is there any way to send a message to offline ICQ 
> users?  
> (ICQ used to queue the message on their server until the user came 
> online and it was delivered.)  I really miss that feature.
> 
> Tanx for the wonderful tool that is GAIM!
> 
> Jason R. Clement
> cle...@ms...
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I was wondering (hoping) if you might be able to include a Global 
Hidden/Invisible feature similar to the Global Away feature already 
incorporated in GAIM.  This would obviously not work with MSN, but it would 
work with most of the other protocols.

Also, using gaim, is there any way to send a message to offline ICQ users?  
(ICQ used to queue the message on their server until the user came online 
and it was delivered.)  I really miss that feature.

Tanx for the wonderful tool that is GAIM!

Jason R. Clement
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Hi.  I use gaim_applet in a vnc session, which for some reason means X =
always reports 0 idle time.  So I'm pretty much forced to use gaim's =
idle time, which I consider broken in its current state.  The idle time =
should not just be the time since the last message sent, but rather =
since the last interaction with gaim.  At the very least, there should =
be a convenient way to reset it to 0 other than to send myself an IM. =20

So I downloaded the source and hacked in this functionality.  Basically, =
clicking on the applet button sets a global that I put in and the idle =
time is based on this time, not on the time since the last message.  So =
the applet button becomes the way to set the idle time to 0.

Here is applet.c.diff:
312a313
> #include <time.h>
314a316
>  last_clicked=3Dtime(NULL);

Here is gaim.h.diff:
24a25,26
> extern unsigned int last_clicked;
>=20

Here is idle.c.diff:
39a40
> unsigned int last_clicked=3D0;
71c72,76
<   idle_time =3D t - gc->lastsent;
---
>   //idle_time =3D t - gc->lastsent;
>   if(last_clicked=3D=3D0)
>    idle_time=3Dt-gc->lastsent;
>   else
>    idle_time=3Dt-last_clicked;

Bon Apetit.

Dave.

try this link for some inside info about the file transfer in msn:

http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/filetransfer.php

also "everybuddy" has it already, maybe a sneaky peak to the source can help :)

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