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[PHPOpenChat-Users] Gloria Bindel requests removal of name!!!

[gloria b. <glo...@sb...>]

                                       March 16, 2005
 
To Whom It May Concern;
 
      I am writing to request that my name be removed from your membership list as soon as possible.  I receive constant e-mail from people that I have no interest in hearing from and it regards subject matter that I have no understanding of.  My name being placed on your membership list was somehow done in error and I would greatly appreciate it if you would remove my name immediately.  Thank you so very much for your help in this matter.  I have listed my name below.
 
                                           Sincerely,
 
                                           Gloria Bindel

Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] "database independant" is a crock

[Justin C. <ju...@po...>]

Michael Oertel wrote:
<snip>
> *hmm* not really. I know, MySQL is far away from ANSI SQL 92 standards, 
> and unfortunetally MySQL doesn't support some JOIN syntax. Any way, a 
> better SQL should be using a NATURAL JOIN.

It was just one _very easy to find_ example of why PHP Open Chat is 
*not* database independent, not even close.

Embedding database specific code into ADOdb does not magically mean that 
code has become database independent.

Another *brilliant* example of just what kind of "database independent" 
support that PHP Open Chat has, is in the choice of column names themselves.

Does anyone on the PHP Open Chat team even know that "USER" is a 
reserved word in the various SQL standards and *has been that way* since 
at least 1992?  For *more than a decade*!  And yet, here it is, used in 
PHP Open Chat for column names!

Why the hell are you guys claiming database independence when the 
_fundamental foundations_ of your database structure are wrong?

Perhaps that needs to be re-worded for your developers.  How's this... 
*don't use SQL standard reserved words for your object names nor their 
attributes*.  They'd have to be *brain damaged* to do so.

It doesn't matter if MySQL allows people to break that or not, a 
"database independent" project can't.  Until this stuff is fixed, you're 
_not_ database independent.


<snip>
> Just for you to know, all the time programming OSS is un-billable.

That's your choice.  Don't assume _any_ of the people using your product 
work on the same model.

Possibly like you, I've spent countless tens of thousands of hours 
working on OSS products making them better.

Coming across an OSS project that _says_ it does XYZ thing in many 
places, then clearly does not, is just bullshit coming from the people 
running that project and will just generate bad will for you.


> So don't be soooo sad, Justin, keep in mind nobody makes mistakes 
> willfully and you are not alone.

Sad?  I'm angry, not sad.  Imagine some project claiming to support 
"Java, Python, PHP" but only supporting Javascript as they say it? 
Don't you reckon they'd be wasting the time of the people who go and try 
to make it work with Java, Python or PHP?

If you want to avoid pissing off further people who may otherwise have 
assisted your project, you might also like to fix this statement in the 
PHP Open Chat manual where it says:

"In the database access layer there is no requirement for a particular 
database. Instead you may use any database system supported by ADOdb."
http://phpopenchat.org/manual_en.html

Which is, yet again, complete crap.  I hope you don't wonder why I'm 
calling your project dishonest.


>> You expect I want to help you guys now?  After blatently lying about 
>> capabilities?
> 
> Geez!
> By the way 'blatantly', you see...

Yes.  'Blatantly'.  As in "on purpose".  No project could repeatedly 
claim something like this and be so wrong "by accident".

Whoever made the decision to propagate this falsehood should be removed 
from the projects decision making process, as they they lack integrity.

You might also like to get someone to fix the various remote security 
vulnerabilities in PHP Open Chat that were announced today.  I've CC'd 
their reporter on this email, so he knows he's not being ignored by you 
guys (just in case).

http://www.albanianhaxorz.org/advisory/phpopenchaten.txt

Mafia_Boy, I hope you also posted the details of these to Bugtraq so 
they're widely circulated.

These vulnerabilities work in well with my thoughts to sum up just how 
much faith should be put in PHP Open Chat as it stands.  Very little. 
Danger.  Do not use.

Justin Clift
PostgreSQL Global Development Group

Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] "database independant" is a crock

[Michael O. <mi...@or...>]

Justin Clift wrote:
> Michael Oertel wrote:
>  > Justin Clift wrote:
> <snip>
>  >> If you wanted people to assist in _making it database independant_
>  >> that should have been said, not outright lies.
>  >>
>  >> Very pissed off.
>  >
>  > Ooops, sorry, I know about an installation using oracle, the worst case
>  > so to say, but it's working fine. So, I'll add (but developed using
>  > MySQL, be warned :)
>  >
>  > If there any help you can offer, our ears are open.
> 
> Sure.  I _strongly_ suggest amending the website to mention "known good" 
> databases that work out of the box, and also mention what it will take 
> to get others working.
> 
> For example, would you call this good "database independant" code?
> 
> ***********
> 
> 'SELECT c.NAME AS NAME,
>     c.INVITED AS INVITED,
>     c.TYPE AS TYPE,
>     COUNT(c.NAME) AS COUNT
>   FROM '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'user_data d,
>        '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'channels c
>   WHERE ONLINE = \'1\'
>     AND LAST_CHANNEL = c.NAME
>   GROUP BY c.NAME
>   ORDER BY ORDER_IDX'
> 
> ***********

*hmm* not really. I know, MySQL is far away from ANSI SQL 92 standards, 
and unfortunetally MySQL doesn't support some JOIN syntax. Any way, a 
better SQL should be using a NATURAL JOIN.

  'SELECT c.NAME AS NAME,
      c.INVITED AS INVITED,
      c.TYPE AS TYPE,
      COUNT(c.NAME) AS COUNT
     FROM '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'user_data d
     JOIN  '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'channels c ON(d.LAST_CHANNEL=c.NAME)
    WHERE ONLINE = \'1\'
    GROUP BY c.NAME
    ORDER BY ORDER_IDX'

to speed-up da thingy, play around with:
- explain,
- create unique index idx_usr_last_channel on user_data using 
btree(LAST_CHANNEL);
dont forget to 'analyse' it....

<snip>

> So, several hours later, it's damn clear that PHP Open Chat needs a lot 
> of work to _become_ database independant.  No thanks for just costing me 
> about 1/2 grand in un-billable wasted time.

Just for you to know, all the time programming OSS is un-billable.
So don't be soooo sad, Justin, keep in mind nobody makes mistakes 
willfully and you are not alone.

> You expect I want to help you guys now?  After blatently lying about 
> capabilities?

Geez!
By the way 'blatantly', you see...
;)

> Like hell.

I see, I see.

cheers and greetings from germany,
-michael
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Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] "database independant" is a crock

[Justin C. <ju...@po...>]

Michael Oertel wrote:
 > Justin Clift wrote:
<snip>
 >> If you wanted people to assist in _making it database independant_
 >> that should have been said, not outright lies.
 >>
 >> Very pissed off.
 >
 > Ooops, sorry, I know about an installation using oracle, the worst case
 > so to say, but it's working fine. So, I'll add (but developed using
 > MySQL, be warned :)
 >
 > If there any help you can offer, our ears are open.

Sure.  I _strongly_ suggest amending the website to mention "known good" 
databases that work out of the box, and also mention what it will take 
to get others working.

For example, would you call this good "database independant" code?

***********

'SELECT c.NAME AS NAME,
     c.INVITED AS INVITED,
     c.TYPE AS TYPE,
     COUNT(c.NAME) AS COUNT
   FROM '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'user_data d,
        '.DATABASE_TABLE_PREFIX.'channels c
   WHERE ONLINE = \'1\'
     AND LAST_CHANNEL = c.NAME
   GROUP BY c.NAME
   ORDER BY ORDER_IDX'

***********

Here's why I'm pissed off.  I get paid hourly in one of my SysAdmin 
jobs.  I'm good at PostgreSQL, so I charge accordingly.

Because PHP Open Chat said it was database independant using ADOdb 
(which I've used a fair amount), I thought it worth trying with PostgreSQL.

Ha!

So, several hours later, it's damn clear that PHP Open Chat needs a lot 
of work to _become_ database independant.  No thanks for just costing me 
about 1/2 grand in un-billable wasted time.

You expect I want to help you guys now?  After blatently lying about 
capabilities?

Like hell.

+ Justin Clift


 > Sorry,
 > -michael

Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] "database independant" is a crock

[Michael O. <mi...@or...>]

Justin Clift wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After seeing the PHP Open Chat website say that it's "database 
> independant", I decided to test it.
> 
> For the past several hours I've been attempting to make it work with 
> PostgreSQL (any version), and have running into many, many, many, many 
> obstacles.
> 
> This product is _so_ MySQL dependant I'm amazed.
> 
> Please _remove_ the claim of "database independance" from the website, 
> as you're wasting people's time.
> 
> If you wanted people to assist in _making it database independant_ that 
> should have been said, not outright lies.
> 
> Very pissed off.

Ooops, sorry, I know about an installation using oracle, the worst case 
so to say, but it's working fine. So, I'll add (but developed using 
MySQL, be warned :)

If there any help you can offer, our ears are open.

Sorry,
-michael
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Co-Founder of SchulWeb                   http://www.schulweb.de/
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[PHPOpenChat-Users] "database independant" is a crock

[Justin C. <ju...@po...>]

Hi,

After seeing the PHP Open Chat website say that it's "database 
independant", I decided to test it.

For the past several hours I've been attempting to make it work with 
PostgreSQL (any version), and have running into many, many, many, many 
obstacles.

This product is _so_ MySQL dependant I'm amazed.

Please _remove_ the claim of "database independance" from the website, 
as you're wasting people's time.

If you wanted people to assist in _making it database independant_ that 
should have been said, not outright lies.

Very pissed off.

Justin Clift
PostgreSQL Global Development Group

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[PHPOpenChat-Users] Hide Chatters and Prevent from Chatting

[Rick S. <rs...@co...>]

Hello,

Would it be possible to:

1. Prevent all chatters from chatting with the exception of the 
owner/moderator (One Way Communication)?
2. Hide all chatters names so they cannot see each other?

The purpose of the above is I am trying to create a futures trading 
signal service and all that is needed is the capability to give BUY and 
SELL signals.

I look forward to your comments.

Rick
rs...@co... <mailto:rs...@co...>

[PHPOpenChat-Users] Hide Chatters and Prevent from Chatting

[Rick S. <rs...@co...>]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
<span class="postbody">Hello,
<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to:
<br>
<br>
1. Prevent all chatters from chatting with the exception of the
owner/moderator (One Way Communication)?
<br>
2. Hide all chatters names so they cannot see each other?
<br>
<br>
The purpose of the above is I am trying to create a futures trading
signal service and all that is needed is the capability to give BUY and
SELL signals.
<br>
<br>
I look forward to your comments.
<br>
<br>
Rick
<br>
<a href="mailto:rs...@co...">rs...@co...</a></span>
</body>
</html>

[PHPOpenChat-Users] just some questions

[Steve C. <ste...@co...>]

does anyone know where to go to get tech support for this program?

i am trying to install this chat program to my web site =
www.cameronbright.com

and everything seems to have been set up in order...and yet

i get this error when i goto the index.php page

any bright ideas would rule thanks so much

Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in =
/mnt/web_g/d28/s35/b01c0d21/www/phpopenchat/include/class.Chat.inc on =
line 1177

steve
admin
CameronBright.com

[PHPOpenChat-Users] adding mass users

[ash <in...@gm...>]

hi!

what steps am i supposed to take to add mass users to the poc database?

tia
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[PHPOpenChat-Users] POC without access to httpd.conf and php.ini

[matt p. <im...@ma...>]

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[PHPOpenChat-Users] English Installation Instructions 4 phpopenchat

[<jos...@gl...>]

Hi

I recently downloaded the phpopenchat program to use. However upon trying to install the progam, i've discoverd the instructions are in German. Would someone be able to send me English instructions.

Thank You

Josh

[PHPOpenChat-Users] Maximum number of current users

[B.G. M. <bg....@in...>]

hi

How many concurrent users in a channel and in the entire chat system can 
PHP-Open-chat handle
comfortably? Are any high traffic portals using this package?

Also, does it use port 80? If so then I guess I cannot use the system for 
anything else but chat.

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[PHPOpenChat-Users] first change, first bug , first stop

[<Doc...@ya...>]

ver phpopenchat 3.0.1 

install is ok , readme and php guide line , an install.php are very use full ! 
 

this is the list of my first change to make it work 

on a Fedora2 install standard ( default php 4.3.8 and mysql 4.20 ) 

in adodb-mysql-inc.php 

i must change "public" to "var"  

and 

in adobd.inc.php 

line 3440 - 3445 ( it changed !) 
@include_once(ADODB_DIR."/drivers/adodb-".$db.".inc.php");
to 
require_once(ADODB_DIR."/drivers/adodb-".$db.".inc.php"); // <- to get the error of "public" word

now i can log as  "operator" 


but when i try to create new member i got : 

XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </meta>. 
Location: http://<myIP>/<myPath>/register.php 
Line Number 29, Column 3:
</head> --^

I didnot find where to fix it 

for information user creation ( mail disabled and no picture url)  

i m stopped here

Thanks
Can you reply in english , i dont speak/read german ! 

[PHPOpenChat-Users] phpopenchat didn't work

[Bilgee <bi...@sa...>]

help me
i first time installed phpopenchat
but it didn't work
there were error like that
user icon upload dir=20
tmp dir

[PHPOpenChat-Users] Installation Woes

[Aaron D. <aa...@da...>]

Well I have phpOpenChat and the mysql tables installed.  Install.php 
runs fine.  However, when I try to run the main script, I get a blank 
page and the following entry in my log:

[error] PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function on a non-object in 
/.../chat/include/class.Chat.inc on line 1177

Any ideas?
Aaron

[PHPOpenChat-Users] maximum users Question

[Jeroen W. Cartesians.n. <j.w...@ca...>]

Hi ,

Well i can;t stop thinking... i definitely want to use php and flahs to =
build a chatsite /chat application..
but i get scared somehow for people say php will not work with many =
users on the chat site/ rooms.

Has anybody tested it??
Let's say i have 1000 visitors a day with maximum 50 active! chatters in =
one room, and 50 in another room etcetera....
Much will depend on how the server will handle it all offcourse... but  =
guess someone of you could knows more about the limits.

Thank you !

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[PHPOpenChat-Users] AdoNewConnection: Unable to load db driver

[Bilgee <bi...@sa...>]

hello everyone
i need some help. because i first time have been installed phpopenchat =
but my chat didn't work=20
there found some errrors;
Syntax error in file =
root/phpopenchat/include/adodb/drivers/adodb_mysql.inc.php
AdoNewConnection: Unable to load db driver

Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] phpopenchat

[Martin S. <go...@we...>]

komuravelly venukumar schrieb:

>Dear sir,
>
>I installed myql and php and apache on redhat linux
>all services working perfectly I want install
>phpopenchat
>
>Can u help me I want easly installation Can u explain
>details. please help me.
>
>
>
>
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[PHPOpenChat-Users] phpopenchat

[komuravelly v. <kve...@ya...>]

Dear sir,

I installed myql and php and apache on redhat linux
all services working perfectly I want install
phpopenchat

Can u help me I want easly installation Can u explain
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Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] Problem with chat on Mac

[Michael O. <mi...@or...>]

Hi Nelly,

Nelly Yusupova schrieb:
> I just downloaded and installed the phpopenchat on Solaris 8 unix box.  The
> chat works well on the windows browsers but most of the functions don't work
> on any of the mac browsers.  I tested on IE 6 and netscape 7.  Does anyone
> else have this problem.  Is phpopenchat only compatible with Windows?

The frontend part of PHPOpenChat delivers valid XHTML transitional and 
uses JavaScript 1.3, so if there a browser, which doesn't support this 
standards, send a bugnote to the developers of this browser.
But before, check the properties of your browser! JavaScript enabled?
Are there programms running like popup blockers, internet security 
gards, or something like that?
Some of such "tools" may remove javascript parts from the current 
document automatically.

cheers,
-michael
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[PHPOpenChat-Users] Feature enquiries & Bugs

[Steven L. <st...@ox...>]

Dear Sir,

We are writing to ask for some enquiries regarding your chatroom. Would you mind to modify and solve?

Feature enquiries:

1. Login name in Traditional Chinese

2. Operator can check the primary user name, such as i.p. address, e-mail.

3. Posting time should be shown for each message.

4. Whisper chat should be shown inside a box. (Refer to example A)

Example A: 
 Joe巴士﹕............(00:29:n3) 
 利妹子﹕......(00:29:45)

墮落天使只對小草說﹕kaka(00:29:08)

5. By Level to provide html message (such as <font=5>, Marquee, img src=" ")

6. The gender of user should be selected before login

7. The gender of user should be shown in each message (such as blue for boy & red for girl)

9. The area of dialogue box can be user adjust size

10. Allow admin level can't not display 3 red star in each message and follow user level to display yellow star.

11. Add background color in the message for easily identification it sent to me only.

Bugs:

1. Bug will be made in long message (I guess that the error in Chinese only, please refer to example A)

Example A 
bb.grass 對 everybody: 結果，他真的從火海中緩緩醒來。然而，在救護車上直奔醫院途中，他已失去?#173;奮情C昏迷了三個月，醒來以後，整個世界已不再一樣了。

2. Error will be made in whisper or normal chat (in chineses, please refer to example B). I saw my "whisper to" or "say to" message in chinese is okay but saw other chatter is strange symbol.

Example B 
bb.grass 悄悄對 monchhichi: 你好嗎？ 
monchhichi &reg;&uml;&reg;&uml;&sup1;&iuml; bb.grass: 好囉

Thank you…. ^^ 
Steven Lam

 

[PHPOpenChat-Users] Problem with chat on Mac

[Nelly Y. <ne...@cg...>]

Hello,

I just downloaded and installed the phpopenchat on Solaris 8 unix box.  The
chat works well on the windows browsers but most of the functions don't work
on any of the mac browsers.  I tested on IE 6 and netscape 7.  Does anyone
else have this problem.  Is phpopenchat only compatible with Windows?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Nelly.

Re: [PHPOpenChat-Users] database problem

[Michael O. <mi...@or...>]

hi sudip,

sudip dey schrieb:
> Hello i am working upon a project involving php and SQL server.

Oooops, you are a poor old chap!
;-)
You really sure to use microsoftware for a chat application?!

> Though i can able to connect them by a dsn but i cannot able to do
> the same without dsn because i don\'t know how to include
> adodb.inc.php .

Where do you want to include the adodb.inc.php? Normaly, there is no 
need to do something like this with the POC sources.
BTW: It's adodb's job to create a Database Source Name from POC's 
configuration properties to connect to a database.

cheers,
-michael
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