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[phpesp-general] Building databases

[janet f. <fo...@fo...>]

Hi,
phpesp  looks awesome, but I'm not able to run phpESP.sql from the 
command line.
I said  $ mysql -uroot -p phpesp < public_html/phpESP.sql
it requested a password
I entered the password of the account and got back:
ERROR 2000: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)


whussup?

I can build the dbase if I know what the tables look like..
Is there somewhere I get get a description of the table 
configuration I need to set up?

FYI,
I'm on a shared server Linux running Apache, php4 installed.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Janet

Re: [phpesp-general] Deleting surveys

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Brendan Lloyd wrote:

> > Can't you use the "Test" feature? That way people can test
> > it, but the responses are removed when you are done testing
> > (and go back to editing, or activation).
> >
> > You can also use the undocumented "purge" page.
> >   http://yourhost/path/to/esp/manage.php?where=purge
>
> If it is undocumented, what does it do?
>
> From the looks of survey_purge.inc it allows the administrator to select
> particular sids (survey IDs) to delete but I'm not game to try it until I
> know for sure.
>
> I wish I'd thought to ask this question two days ago: sure beats the
> hell out of going into mysql and truncating tables (etc)!

It does what it says at the top of the page.

"This page is not directly on the main menu because it is
dangerous. This completely removes everything about a
survey from the database forever. All question info,
general info, results, etc. are purged from the database.
Do not do anything here that you are not completely certain
about. There is no confirmation, there is no turning back."

Enjoy. Don't do anything you'll regret.
-James

Re: [phpesp-general] Deleting surveys

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Can't you use the "Test" feature? That way people can test
it, but the responses are removed when you are done testing
(and go back to editing, or activation).

You can also use the undocumented "purge" page.
  http://yourhost/path/to/esp/manage.php?where=purge
-James

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, me@shaw wrote:

> Hi
> I would like to know if it's possible to safely delete original activated
> surveys (no data has been collected on any survey yet).  My problem is that
> I have 10 surveys with approx. 50 to 60 questions each.  After activating
> all 10, I found that they have to all be edited (can't complain as they were
> produced volunteers at the center).  So I made copies of all 10 and will
> activate those after editing.  I may have to do this a few times however
> until all are happy.  I would like to remove the originals so the database
> is not over-run with questions before any data is collected.
> Many thanx again
>
>
>
>
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[phpesp-general] Deleting surveys

[<me...@sh...>]

Hi
I would like to know if it's possible to safely delete original activated
surveys (no data has been collected on any survey yet).  My problem is that
I have 10 surveys with approx. 50 to 60 questions each.  After activating
all 10, I found that they have to all be edited (can't complain as they were
produced volunteers at the center).  So I made copies of all 10 and will
activate those after editing.  I may have to do this a few times however
until all are happy.  I would like to remove the originals so the database
is not over-run with questions before any data is collected.
Many thanx again

Re: [phpesp-general] survey_export_csv.inc weirdness

[James O'M. <ja...@pa...>]

> Yep. What I really need is to find out what the "accepted"
> (or defined) CSV standard is.

Found this on google:

I'm sure this will get me somewhere.  However, its the double quote gig that
has me in a quandry.  By the csv standard (if its even a
standard), numeric values will not be surrounded by quotes; text will be
surrounded in quotes and should a quote exist in the text, it will contain
two quotes.  and then we have the possibility of embedded
commas... ugh.  ie:

"text string", 1234, "with ""embedded"" quotes", "with emb, comma"

I also found some more information on how to handle newlines (that they need
to have quotes around them), but that doesn't work in OpenOffice.  I suspect
that best thing to do is simply to strip out newlines from textarea elements
before going into the db.

Is more dbf functionality in CVS?  I don't have any dbf functions in 1.4beta3

Thanks, keep up the good work.

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  James O'Malley
  Altamente.com
  +1(787)296-1540

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Re: [phpesp-general] survey_export_csv.inc weirdness

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Yep. What I really need is to find out what the "accepted"
(or defined) CSV standard is. Here are some things that
need to be known:
 o Should text (non-numeric) values be quoted?
 o What character should be used for quotes?
   (" == ASCII 0x22)
 o What values need to be escaped in a quoted string?
 o How should values be escaped?
 o What types of newlines should be used?
 o How should newlines in quotes be handled?

If someone could find out the "official" answers to those
questions it would be helpful. My guess is that there is
nothing close to official ... in which case I guess we just
need the "closest match".

> How's the dbf export coming along?

Well ... pretty good in some situations. I need more info
on the DBF format as well... I think that some programs
have limits on the length of column labels (10 chars)?
See the comments on the PHP dBase extension here:
  http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.dbase-create.php
We are limited to at most, 255 character field widths.
-James

[phpesp-general] survey_export_csv.inc weirdness

[James O'M. <ja...@pa...>]

I'm not sure if it's a problem with OpenOffice or what, but I get weird
import errors in OpenOffice when I import a csv (made with phpESP 1.4beta3).
 If there are line breaks in the data field, it get's imported to OpenOffice
as a new record/line and then of course throws off the spreadsheet.  Also,
on some of the fields there some weirdness on the "," that are delimiting
and the commas that are part of the text... again, throwing of data by one
field all the way down.

I corrected it in survey_export_csv.inc by changing the delimiter to a ^
which I find works very well, as it almost never turns up in respondant
fields.  Now the other issue of windows line breaks ^M in some comment
fields might be an OpenOffice issue or an export issue.  Anybody know what
the specified end of record is for a csv file?  If it's a newline then
there's a problem.

Maybe stripping all newlines from textarea elements is the solution?

How's the dbf export coming along?

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  James O'Malley
  Altamente.com
  +1(787)296-1540

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Re: [phpesp-general] Error when I try to test survey

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, me@shaw wrote:

> Hi
> I get the following error when I try to test a completed survey
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: array_insersect() in
> /home/**/****/***/***/include/where/status.inc on line 34

Change "array_insersect" to "array_intersect" on line 34.

(Bug fixed in CVS.)

[phpesp-general] Error when I try to test survey

[<me...@sh...>]

Hi
I get the following error when I try to test a completed survey
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: array_insersect() in
/home/**/****/***/***/include/where/status.inc on line 34
The survey was created by a member of the design group and I am a superuser
(with full privileges I assume) trying to test the survey.
Any help would, as usual, be very much appreciated

Re: [phpesp-general] french version installation..

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Email me the messages.po (the text file you translated). I
will check it, make the binary version, and send it to the
devel list with install instructions.

In the mean time download this:
  http://phpesp.sf.net/status.php.txt
And make sure that the "gettext" extension is loaded on
your webservers.

-James

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 cj...@if... wrote:

> we have almost translate phpESP in french.
>
> how to install the french version in the program ?
> do we have to re-install ?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
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[phpesp-general] french version installation..

[<cj...@if...>]

we have almost translate phpESP in french.

how to install the french version in the program ?
do we have to re-install ?

thanks

Re[2]: [phpesp-general] french version need (again! sorry)

[<cj...@if...>]

it's ok James !

we translate together !

CL> Thanks,
CL> He take contact with me and we are splitting the task.
CL> As i need phpESP to be translated near wednesday, the french version=20
CL> should be done near wednesday.
CL> James E. Flemer wrote:
>> Hey Cedric,
>>   The guy "with his pc out", cj...@if..., was the
>> guy who was working on the French version. I'm not excactly
>> sure what is going on... I would suggest that you start

>> working on the translations yourself, and you try to email
>> cjanson directly to coordinate. For more information on how
>> to do the translation, visit this page:
>>   http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/internationalization.html
>>=20
>> -James
>>=20
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, C=E9dric Levasseur wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>>Sorry for insisting with this French Version,
>>>My need is important now; And may be i can see a dismiss in the mail o=
f
>>>our friend which seems to have his PC out ?
>>>I see three points:
>>>A) the work is done, and you're just committing it into CVS.
>>>B) the work is almost done, but you've no time/envy for doing it now.
>>>May be we can split the work? You could also send the email address of
>>>our french friend, [i'm french too] so that i can talk about it with h=
im ?
>>>C) the work is not started. Please tell me right now, so that i can
>>>discharge you of this task.
>>>So i wait for your response;
>>>(And once again, sorry for insisting on this french version)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>phpESP-general mailing list
>>>php...@li...
>>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-general
>>>
>>=20
>>=20

[phpesp-general] french version need (again! sorry)

[<ce...@le...>]

Sorry for insisting with this French Version,
My need is important now; And may be i can see a dismiss in the mail of 
our friend which seems to have his PC out ?
I see three points:
A) the work is done, and you're just committing it into CVS.
B) the work is almost done, but you've no time/envy for doing it now. 
May be we can split the work? You could also send the email address of 
our french friend, [i'm french too] so that i can talk about it with him ?
C) the work is not started. Please tell me right now, so that i can 
discharge you of this task.
So i wait for your response;
(And once again, sorry for insisting on this french version)

[phpesp-general] Re: [phpesp-dev] "section text, etc..

[Roman J. <cit...@ma...>]

+1: i would agree. this way one would have more flexibility.
On Friday, March 22, 2002, at 07:17  PM, James E. Flemer wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Matthew Gregg wrote:
>> I would like to throw out a possible change to Kon's patch.  Instead of
>> having the "section text" indented, have it flush with the question
>> numbering.
>>
>> For example:
>> Put the "section text" in the left column and do a colspan="2".
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> +1 : sounds good to me.
>
> -James
>
> [ For those not familiar, it's common to just say "+1" or
>   "-1" for agree or disagree to a suggestion. That makes it
>   easy to quickly see general opinion. (or we could use
>   phpesp to acutally "vote". :-p ]
>
>
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Re: [phpesp-general] french version...

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

You can just use a text editor. Take a look at the example
translation on the phpesp website[1] (look at the bottom
of the page).

[1] http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/internationalization.html

-James

What do you mean by "your PC is out"?

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 cj...@if... wrote:

> then,
>
> i ve donwload poEDIT and my PC is out ! do you have a
> other way to translate message.po ?

[phpesp-general] french version...

[<cj...@if...>]

then,

i ve donwload poEDIT and my PC is out !

do you have a other way to translate message.po ?

thanks

Re: [phpesp-general] LDAP with phpESP

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Great! No one that I know of is working on any
authentication patches (at least that they have announced
or contributed back). I suggest you join the devel list[1]
and discuss your patches there. I am sure that a lot of
people could use this.

[1] http://lists.sf.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel

-James

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Christopher Zorn wrote:

> Hello, I have recently downloaded and used phpESP for a project at work. It
> is great! I have added a quick hack to allow authentication through ldap.
> I have to allow hundreds of users to create surveys and did not want to
> add them all into the database. I was just wondering if anyone was working on
> alternate authentification methods. When I am done cleaning up the code for
> my quick hack I am going to send the patch and see what you guys think. What
> do you guys think? Is someone working on this?

[phpesp-general] Re: "Section Text" mods

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

As a note to anyone upgrading to the CVS version from v1.3.
If you plan on using the same database (which is fine) you
must do the following for the "Section Text" updates to
work. Using what ever SQL interface you like, execute the
following SQL statement:

 INSERT INTO question_type VALUES ('100','Section Text','N','');

If you install the CVS version using a new database, the
phpESP.sql script will add the necessary row.

Enjoy,
-James

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, James E. Flemer wrote:

> I just committed the patches from Kon to add a "Section
> Text" question type. This type is not exactly a "question"
> at all, but it lets you insert free form text (html)
> anywhere into the survey. I will be updating the code on
> the demo site to the latest CVS version soon, so you should
> be able to try it out there this afternoon.
>
> I you would like to use this version, you can find
> instructions on how to get the sources from CVS on this
> page:  http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=8956
>
> I would like to thank Kon for submitting this patch. Your
> name is now in the CREDITS file, as are the people who have
> sent me translated message files. Keep them coming.
>
> -James
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Kon Angelopoulos wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've managed to patch the CVS version of phpesp with
> > the angekpatch-new.diff and everything worked fine. I
> > even ran the patch on phpESP-1.3 and although it
> > reported "can't find file to patch at input line ." all
> > the relevant files were updated And the program worked
> > fine. So James go ahead and commit the changes.
> >
> > Kon
>
>
>
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>

[phpesp-general] LDAP with phpESP

[Christopher Z. <zo...@mu...>]

Hello, I have recently downloaded and used phpESP for a project at work. It
is great! I have added a quick hack to allow authentication through ldap. 
I have to allow hundreds of users to create surveys and did not want to 
add them all into the database. I was just wondering if anyone was working on
alternate authentification methods. When I am done cleaning up the code for
my quick hack I am going to send the patch and see what you guys think. What
do you guys think? Is someone working on this?

[phpesp-general] Re: "Section Text" mods

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

I just committed the patches from Kon to add a "Section
Text" question type. This type is not exactly a "question"
at all, but it lets you insert free form text (html)
anywhere into the survey. I will be updating the code on
the demo site to the latest CVS version soon, so you should
be able to try it out there this afternoon.

I you would like to use this version, you can find
instructions on how to get the sources from CVS on this
page:  http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=8956

I would like to thank Kon for submitting this patch. Your
name is now in the CREDITS file, as are the people who have
sent me translated message files. Keep them coming.

-James

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Kon Angelopoulos wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I've managed to patch the CVS version of phpesp with
> the angekpatch-new.diff and everything worked fine. I
> even ran the patch on phpESP-1.3 and although it
> reported "can't find file to patch at input line ." all
> the relevant files were updated And the program worked
> fine. So James go ahead and commit the changes.
>
> Kon

Re: [phpesp-general] PHP_AUTH_USER failing?

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Try setting:
	'auth_design' => FALSE,
in your phpESP.ini. While you are at it you will probably
have to set:
	'auth_response' => FALSE,
too. Please let me know if you encoounter anything broken
with these off -- I haven't tested everything recently with
them off.

-James

[ By the way, what mail agent do you use? It seems to do
  strange things to newlines. ]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Brian Hulse wrote:

> WOW! Thanks for the quick response. The errorlog entry looks like this:
>
> [Thu Mar 21 09:04:26 2002] [error] [client 63.253.208.58] malformed
> header from script. Bad header=HTTP/1.0 401 Unauthorized:
> /www/x/xuser/htdocs/phpESP.php
>
> (I renamed the /phpESP/admin/index.php to phpESP.php.)
>
> Then I found this quote in the PHP Manual, Chapter 17
> "The HTTP Authentication hooks in PHP are only available when it is
> running as an Apache module and is hence not available in the CGI
> version."
>
> Unfortunately, this applies to me. Is it possible to use phpESP without
> these hooks? I realize this limits my control, but could I use .htaccess
> to restrict access to the admin files?
>
> You may also want to put this into the README as part of the
> PREREQUISITES: section.
>
> --- On Thu 03/21, James E. Flemer wrote:
>
> > Could you please post the text message you get with the 500
> > error? Also set DEBUG => TRUE in your phpESP.ini, and see
> > if it gives any more information. And if you have access to
> > the httpd "error-log" please take a look at it and see if
> > there is any more information there.
> >
> > If the 500 error is from Apache directly, then it may be
> > a few things (check matched quotes etc where you edited
> > files). If it is a 500 generated by phpESP it is probably a
> > database issue, and DEBUG might tell you more (oh -- that
> > feature might not be in v1.3, you could try the CVS
> > version).
> >
> > -James
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Brian Hulse wrote:
> >
> > > This is a new install, and all appears to be OK (e.g. path edits,
> > > file
> > > locations, db table creation) except that I get a 500 error when
> > > accessing the /admin/manage.php. If I comment out the following
> > > lines, I
> > > can see the page, but no login, of course. I am on a shared (Linux)
> > > host
> > > running PHP 4.1.2 Suggestions? What other information would help?
> > > (Can't
> > > get to the errorlog right now, but will grab it if that would help.)
> > >
> > > // if(!manage_auth(
> > > // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_USER']),
> > > // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_PW'])))
> > > // exit;
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Brian

Re: [phpesp-general] PHP_AUTH_USER failing?

[Brian H. <bri...@ex...>]

WOW! Thanks for the quick response. The errorlog entry looks like this:<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
[Thu Mar 21 09:04:26 2002] [error] [client 63.253.208.58] malformed header from script. Bad header=HTTP/1.0 401 Unauthorized: /www/x/xuser/htdocs/phpESP.php<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
(I renamed the /phpESP/admin/index.php to phpESP.php.)
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Then I found this quote in the PHP Manual, Chapter 17
<br />
"The HTTP Authentication hooks in PHP are only available when it is running as an Apache module and is hence not available in the CGI version."
<br />
<br /><br />
<br />
Unfortunately, this applies to me. Is it possible to use phpESP without these hooks? I realize this limits my control, but could I use .htaccess to restrict access to the admin files?
<br />
<br /><br />
<br />
You may also want to put this into the README as part of the PREREQUISITES: section.
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--- On Thu 03/21, James E. Flemer <jf...@ac...> wrote:<br />
<br />
> Could you please post the text message you get with the 500<br />
<br />
> error? Also set DEBUG => TRUE in your phpESP.ini, and see<br />
<br />
> if it gives any more information. And if you have access to<br />
<br />
> the httpd "error-log" please take a look at it and see if<br />
<br />
> there is any more information there.<br />
<br />
> <br />
<br />
> If the 500 error is from Apache directly, then it may be<br />
<br />
> a few things (check matched quotes etc where you edited<br />
<br />
> files). If it is a 500 generated by phpESP it is probably a<br />
<br />
> database issue, and DEBUG might tell you more (oh -- that<br />
<br />
> feature might not be in v1.3, you could try the CVS<br />
<br />
> version).<br />
<br />
> <br />
<br />
> -James<br />
<br />
> <br />
<br />
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Brian Hulse wrote:<br />
<br />
> <br />
<br />
> > This is a new install, and all appears to be OK (e.g. path edits,<br />
<br />
> file<br />
<br />
> > locations, db table creation) except that I get a 500 error when<br />
<br />
> > accessing the /admin/manage.php. If I comment out the following<br />
<br />
> lines, I<br />
<br />
> > can see the page, but no login, of course. I am on a shared (Linux)<br />
<br />
> host<br />
<br />
> > running PHP 4.1.2 Suggestions? What other information would help?<br />
<br />
> (Can't<br />
<br />
> > get to the errorlog right now, but will grab it if that would help.)<br />
<br />
> ><br />
<br />
> > // if(!manage_auth(<br />
<br />
> > // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_USER']),<br />
<br />
> > // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_PW'])))<br />
<br />
> > // exit;<br />
<br />
> ><br />
<br />
> > TIA,<br />
<br />
> > Brian<br />
<br />
> ><br />
<br />
> ><br />
<br />
> ________________________________________________________________________________<br />
<br />
> > _______________________________________________ phpESP-general<br />
<br />
> mailing<br />
<br />
> > list php...@li...<br />
<br />
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-general<br />
<br />
> ><br />
<br />
> <br />
<br />
> 
<br />
<p><p><hr>

Re: [phpesp-general] PHP_AUTH_USER failing?

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

Could you please post the text message you get with the 500
error? Also set DEBUG => TRUE in your phpESP.ini, and see
if it gives any more information. And if you have access to
the httpd "error-log" please take a look at it and see if
there is any more information there.

If the 500 error is from Apache directly, then it may be
a few things (check matched quotes etc where you edited
files). If it is a 500 generated by phpESP it is probably a
database issue, and DEBUG might tell you more (oh -- that
feature might not be in v1.3, you could try the CVS
version).

-James

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Brian Hulse wrote:

> This is a new install, and all appears to be OK (e.g. path edits, file
> locations, db table creation) except that I get a 500 error when
> accessing the /admin/manage.php. If I comment out the following lines, I
> can see the page, but no login, of course. I am on a shared (Linux) host
> running PHP 4.1.2 Suggestions? What other information would help? (Can't
> get to the errorlog right now, but will grab it if that would help.)
>
> // if(!manage_auth(
> // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_USER']),
> // XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_PW'])))
> // exit;
>
> TIA,
> Brian
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________ phpESP-general mailing
> list php...@li...
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>

[phpesp-general] PHP_AUTH_USER failing?

[Brian H. <bri...@ex...>]

This is a new install, and all appears to be OK (e.g. path edits, file locations, db table creation) except that I get a 500 error when accessing the /admin/manage.php. If I comment out the following lines, I can see the page, but no login, of course. I am on a shared (Linux) host running PHP 4.1.2 Suggestions? What other information would help? (Can't get to the errorlog right now, but will grab it if that would help.)
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// if(!manage_auth(
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//	XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_USER']),
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//	XADDSLASHES(@$HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PHP_AUTH_PW'])))
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// exit;
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TIA,
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Brian<p><hr>

Re: [phpesp-general] Answer type error

[James E. F. <jf...@ac...>]

What command are you using to backup the database? The
database phpESP uses is not special in any way, so if you
have backup problems it is probably a fault in the backup
program. You might have better luck asking the author of
the backup program.

Take ie easy,
-James

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, me@shaw wrote:

> Hi
> One of the answer choices to one of my questions is
> 0 Choice 1
> 0 Choice 2
> 0 Extended Family (aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.)
>
> This returns an error when I'm trying to backup the database.
> I've removed the ('s and ,'s
> 0 Choice 1
> 0 Choice 2
> 0 Extended Family  aunts or uncles or grandparents etc
>
> And the backup still hangs up at that point in the questions
>
> Any help/advice is, as usual, greatly appreciated
>
>
>
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