notion-general — General discussion about the notion window manager

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Jeff B. <jef...@gm...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:55 PM, tot-to <not...@to...> wrote:

> You right, that it's not very convinient, that you need to subscribe to
> all messages within the maillist and can't subscribe only to desired
> topic(s).
>
> But the requirement of Google account create much more trobles. One
> needs not only to register, but also to set-up forwarding from Google
> e-mail to their actual address. And in order to post a message, instead
> of simply sending an e-mail, one needs to log-in.
>
> In my case the main problem is the fact that I can't register an
> account without entering a cell phone number, which I provide only to
> very limited amount of people for use only in urgent cases. And I'll
> not provide it for sure to the corporation well-known for the
> surveillance. Also, I don't see any reason to have a connection
> between the network identity and the real world identity.
>
> Apart of everything else, mailman is a free software, and google groups
> is proprietary.
>

Another alternative is to use GitHub's "issues" for conversations. Here's a
reasonably active project in which they do this:
https://github.com/SFTtech/openage

I believe you can subscribe to specific topics instead of receive
everything. You can respond to a thread by replying, much like the mailing
list, or  you can log in and use the GUI. Unfortunately, you do need to
have a GitHub account, but I believe the requirements are less stringent.

Probably still closed source....

Regards,
Jeff

-- 
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jef...@gm...
http://github.com/jsbackus

Re: [Notion-general] notion with xdm

[moaxcp <mo...@gm...>]

I figured it out after reading about the XSession program and looking at
the code gentoo has in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and this is what I did.

* copy /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to ~/.xinitrc
* make ~/.xinitrc executable
* create ~/.xsession
* add export XSESSION=notion to the top of the file
* add any other commands you need to execute
* add ~/.xinitrc as the final command

I also edited /etc/X11/Sessions/notion to point to /usr/local/bin/notion
rather than /usr/bin

So now I have my system one step further. Thanks for pointing out the
.xsession file for me.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...> wrote:

> As Albert also mentions, I think xinitrc is intended for when you
> 'manually' start X ('startx' etc).
>
> For login managers, AFAIK they typically use ~/.Xsession (make sure it's
> executable) for the 'default' behaviour, and often can be configured
> themselves. I personally do the former, though that might be a bit
> oldschool :).
>
> You might be able to 'register' notion to be an option in your login
> manager (xdm), but that's probably distro-specific.
>
>
> Arnout
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:46 PM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hello, How do I configure xdm to start notion? Right now when I log into
>> xdm a blank screen shows and then xdm starts up again. I am using gentoo on
>> a dell percision m4600 (optimus graphics). I followed this guide to get xdm
>> to start up properly.
>>
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Driver_with_Optimus_Laptops
>>
>> I think my problem is notion is currently starting from the .xinitrc file
>> but xdm may not use it. Any help would be great.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Notion-general mailing list
>> Not...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>>
>>
>

Re: [Notion-general] notion with xdm

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

As Albert also mentions, I think xinitrc is intended for when you
'manually' start X ('startx' etc).

For login managers, AFAIK they typically use ~/.Xsession (make sure it's
executable) for the 'default' behaviour, and often can be configured
themselves. I personally do the former, though that might be a bit
oldschool :).

You might be able to 'register' notion to be an option in your login
manager (xdm), but that's probably distro-specific.


Arnout

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:46 PM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:

> Hello, How do I configure xdm to start notion? Right now when I log into
> xdm a blank screen shows and then xdm starts up again. I am using gentoo on
> a dell percision m4600 (optimus graphics). I followed this guide to get xdm
> to start up properly.
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Driver_with_Optimus_Laptops
>
> I think my problem is notion is currently starting from the .xinitrc file
> but xdm may not use it. Any help would be great.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Notion-general mailing list
> Not...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>
>

Re: [Notion-general] notion with xdm

[Albert S. <Alb...@ob...>]

 Le 01/06/2015 à 16:46:26-0400, moaxcp a écrit

> Hello, How do I configure xdm to start notion? Right now when I log into xdm a
> blank screen shows and then xdm starts up again. I am using gentoo on a dell
> percision m4600 (optimus graphics). I followed this guide to get xdm to start
> up properly.
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Driver_with_Optimus_Laptops
>
> I think my problem is notion is currently starting from the .xinitrc file but
> xdm may not use it. Any help would be great.

I don't known gentoo. I'm not using it.

I'm using FreeBSD and xdm. So I think it's very close.

To start notion i put

  /usr/local/bin/notion (Adapt to your gentoo)

in

  ~/.xsession

chmod u+x ~/.xsession

For example inside my .xession :


    #!/bin/sh
    #
    log=$HOME/.xsession_err ; set -x
    exec > $log 2>&1

    xset b off

    # Export LANG
    LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
    export LANG


    # Configuration of Xressource
    if [ -f $HOME/.Xdefaults ]
       then xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xdefaults
    fi

    # Disable this fucking capslock

    setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps

    # To accelerate the mouse

    xset m 50/1 1

    /usr/local/bin/notion


If it's not working you can check what file xdm start be checking inside

  lib/X11/xdm/Xession


Regards.

JAS

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[Notion-general] notion with xdm

[moaxcp <mo...@gm...>]

Hello, How do I configure xdm to start notion? Right now when I log into
xdm a blank screen shows and then xdm starts up again. I am using gentoo on
a dell percision m4600 (optimus graphics). I followed this guide to get xdm
to start up properly.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Driver_with_Optimus_Laptops

I think my problem is notion is currently starting from the .xinitrc file
but xdm may not use it. Any help would be great.

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Matthieu M. <Mat...@gr...>]

tot-to <not...@to...> writes:

> But the requirement of Google account create much more trobles. One
> needs not only to register, but also to set-up forwarding from Google
> e-mail to their actual address.

You are making a confusion between a gmail account and a google account.

A google account can be linked to any email address, not just gmail. And
as said in other messages, you do not need a google account to use
google groups, although it's clearly more convenient when you have one.

> And in order to post a message, instead of simply sending an e-mail,
> one needs to log-in.

This is not true. Why are you saying that?

> Apart of everything else, mailman is a free software, and google groups
> is proprietary.

If we are to pick google groups Vs sf.net, we should consider the
drawbacks on both sides.

Read this for example:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

or for french-speaking people:

http://linuxfr.org/users/jehan/journaux/sourceforge-de-pire-en-pire-usurpation-d-identite-du-projet-gimp

I don't particularly support the migration to google groups, but moving
away from sourceforge would definitely be a good thing in my opinion.
Sourceforge did a good job supporting free software 10 years ago, but
they are now actively harmful.

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[tot-to <not...@to...>]

Hi Thomas,

Thank you. It's good to know, that it's possible. But if it's not
documented, then it's not something one can rely on. I should be
considered rather as a hack.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:51:56 +0200
From: Thomas Klausner <tk...@gi...>
To: Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@co...>
Cc: not...@li...
Subject: Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from
Sourceforge


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 02:35:50PM +0200, Wojciech Aniszewski wrote:
> It would be a sad move to migrate to Google, or any other login-requiring
> service. 

You can use the google mailing lists like normal mailing lists without
logging in.

(Un-)Subscription is done by sending mail to

[Groupname]+su...@go...
[Groupname]+un...@go...

This is not well documented though.
 Thomas

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Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[tot-to <not...@to...>]

Hi Ed,

You right, that it's not very convinient, that you need to subscribe to
all messages within the maillist and can't subscribe only to desired
topic(s).

But the requirement of Google account create much more trobles. One
needs not only to register, but also to set-up forwarding from Google
e-mail to their actual address. And in order to post a message, instead
of simply sending an e-mail, one needs to log-in.

In my case the main problem is the fact that I can't register an
account without entering a cell phone number, which I provide only to
very limited amount of people for use only in urgent cases. And I'll
not provide it for sure to the corporation well-known for the
surveillance. Also, I don't see any reason to have a connection
between the network identity and the real world identity.

Apart of everything else, mailman is a free software, and google groups
is proprietary.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:22:25 +0000
From: Ed Schwartz <edm...@cm...>
To: ani...@co..., tot-to <not...@to...>
Cc: notion-general <not...@li...>
Subject: Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from
Sourceforge


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:35 AM Wojciech Aniszewski
<ani...@co...> wrote:

> It would be a sad move to migrate to Google, or any other login-requiring
> service.
>
>
I feel that subscribing to mailing lists only to ask a question is much
more burdensome than creating a Google account, and I often simply avoid
joining a traditional mailing list unless I want to receive its mail
anyway.

Google groups is nice (assuming you have a Google account, don't think
Google is the devil, etc.) because you can post messages and subscribe
to your thread only if desired.  It also has very good archive search.

I agree it's unfortunate that a Google account is required, though.

Ed

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Igor Mosyagin <g-...@ya...> wrote:

> Since it's highly probably that everyone on this maillist has a github
> account, we can consider to drop maillist completely and use gitter.im


Gitter is neat, but not really a mailinglist replacement IMHO.


> And for docs, maybe I missed it, but if we have a project on github, why
> not use gh-pages for docs? https://pages.github.com/
> It's static, but we can generate the docs from source anyway.
>

Definitely! I'd love help migrating the site and docs to gh-pages, see
https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869 for some ideas.


Kind regards,

Arnout

Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[Arnout E. <ar...@bz...>]

OK, then when we've resolved the lua interpreter autodetection issue moaxcp
identified I'll build a new release.

To be quite honest, I find 'releases' an antiquated concept for
applications (in contrast to libraries). Each commit/merge to master should
essentially be a 'release'.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Thomas Klausner <wi...@ne...> wrote:

> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 06:17:58PM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> > I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
> > build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
> > fix that :).
>
> I'd also appreciate a release -- think of all the poor packagers like
> myself.
>  Thomas
>

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Arnout E. <ar...@bz...>]

Unless I'm mistaken Savannah only allows projects with a GPL-compatible
license, which the Ion license (which Notion is under, much to our
collective chagrin) unfortunately is not.


Arnout

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Thomas Klausner <tk...@gi...> wrote:

> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:31:21AM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> > I agree the migration doesn't need to be big-bang (as said I already
> accept
> > tickets and PR's on github, for example, and would love it when someone
> > could help moving the site and documentation). Still, I'd like a nicer
> home
> > for the lists :).
>
> I think savannah provides mailing lists as well.
>  Thomas
>

Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[Arnout E. <ar...@bz...>]

Ouch, thanks for the report, I'd love to fix this but probably won't have a
chance before next weekend..


Arnout

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:02 PM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:

> Ok so I have been able to get my modified ebuild to download the sources.
> When gentoo tries to compile it I get this error:
>
> john-gentoo notion # emerge -av =x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp
>
>  * IMPORTANT: 1 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
>  * Use eselect news read to view new items.
>
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild     U *] x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp [3_p2014052800::moaxcp]
> USE="nls xinerama xrandr" 0 KiB
>
> Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 0 KiB
>
> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] yes
> >>> Verifying ebuild manifests
> >>> Emerging (1 of 1) x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp
> >>> Failed to emerge x11-wm/notion-9999, Log file:
> >>>  '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'
> >>> Jobs: 0 of 1 complete, 1 failed                 Load avg: 0.41, 0.19,
> 0.12
>  * Package:    x11-wm/notion-9999
>  * Repository: moaxcp
>  * Maintainer: lit...@la... xm...@ge...,
> pro...@ge...
>  * USE:        abi_x86_64 amd64 elibc_glibc kernel_linux nls userland_GNU
> xinerama xrandr
>  * FEATURES:   distcc distcc-pump preserve-libs sandbox userpriv
> usersandbox
> >>> Unpacking source...
> Already on 'master'
> Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> GIT update -->
>    repository:               git://
> notion.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/notion/notion
>    at the commit:            f38deabef9f9d822e30ec4f9694f3c07f8dfb8d8
>    branch:                   master
>    storage directory:        "/usr/portage/distfiles/egit-src/notion"
>    checkout type:            non-bare repository
> Branch branch-master set up to track remote branch master from origin.
> Switched to a new branch 'branch-master'
> >>> Unpacked to /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999
> >>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work
> >>> Preparing source in
> /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
> >>> Source prepared.
> >>> Configuring source in
> /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
> >>> Source configured.
> >>> Compiling source in
> /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
> make -j9 -l8 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc AR=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ar
> RANLIB=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ranlib
> which: no lua5.1 in
> (/usr/lib64/distcc/bin:/usr/lib/portage/python2.7/ebuild-helpers:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4)
> build/lua-detect.mk:33: *** No lua5.1 interpreter found!.  Stop.
>  * ERROR: x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp failed (compile phase):
>  *   emake failed
>  *
>  * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
> '=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`,
>  * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
> '=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`.
>  * The complete build log is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'.
>  * The ebuild environment file is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/environment'.
>  * Working directory:
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
>  * S: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
>
>  * Messages for package x11-wm/notion-9999:
>
>  * ERROR: x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp failed (compile phase):
>  *   emake failed
>  *
>  * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
> '=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`,
>  * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
> '=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`.
>  * The complete build log is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'.
>  * The ebuild environment file is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/environment'.
>  * Working directory:
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
>  * S: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
>
>
> It looks like there is an issue detecting my version of lua.
>
> john-gentoo notion # lua -v
> Lua 5.1.5  Copyright (C) 1994-2012 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
>
> Does make expect there to be a lua5.1 command on the path? My system seems
> to only have a lua command not lua5.1.
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Arnout Engelen <ar...@bz...> wrote:
>
>> Hi moaxcp,
>>
>> Thanks!! I'll try to answer your questions in-line.
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:35 AM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply. I created an ebuild for the last release on
>>> github.
>>> https://github.com/moaxcp/moaxcp-gentoo-overlay/tree/master/x11-wm/notion
>>>
>>> Now I'm going to try the 9999 ebuild which should install the latest
>>> sources from sourceforge.
>>>
>>> I do have a few other problems with notion that I would like to figure
>>> out.
>>>
>>> How do I use another monitor without the same resolution?
>>>
>>
>> Notion should support multiple monitors through xrandr out-of-the-box.
>>
>> With the xrandr command-line tool or a more pleasant graphical one (I use
>> 'arandr' myself), you can manipulate the screen layout.
>>
>> If you use a screen layout where the screens do not overlap, you should
>> get a set of notion workspaces for each screen.
>>
>> If you use a screen layout where the screens overlap, you'll get one big
>> set of workspaces, 'mirrored' on each monitor.
>>
>> If the monitors are not the same resolution, the latter can look kind of
>> confusing as some parts of the workspace will not be visible on both
>> screens.
>>
>> How can I replace the statusbar with LXPanel from LXDE?
>>>
>>
>> Change your configuration to not load 'mod_statusbar' and load 'mod_dock'
>> instead.
>>
>> I personally use the xfce4-panel that way, let me know if you run into
>> any problems with lxpanel.
>>
>>
>>> Also sometimes when I make a vertical split the status bar shrinks to
>>> the left frame instead of staying at full width. How do I fix that?
>>>
>>
>> If you're switching to mod_dock anyway this shouldn't be relevant :).
>> With mod_dock, simply configure your panel to take the full screen width.
>>
>>
>> Let me know if you have any further questions (or feel free to pose them
>> on the mailinglist).
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Arnout
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maoxcp,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
>>>> build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
>>>> fix that :).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Arnout
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:17 AM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When will there be a new release of notion? I have seen a lot of work
>>>>> being checked in but no downloads for a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>
>

Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[moaxcp <mo...@gm...>]

Ok so I have been able to get my modified ebuild to download the sources.
When gentoo tries to compile it I get this error:

john-gentoo notion # emerge -av =x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp

 * IMPORTANT: 1 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
 * Use eselect news read to view new items.


These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild     U *] x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp [3_p2014052800::moaxcp]
USE="nls xinerama xrandr" 0 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 0 KiB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] yes
>>> Verifying ebuild manifests
>>> Emerging (1 of 1) x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp
>>> Failed to emerge x11-wm/notion-9999, Log file:
>>>  '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'
>>> Jobs: 0 of 1 complete, 1 failed                 Load avg: 0.41, 0.19,
0.12
 * Package:    x11-wm/notion-9999
 * Repository: moaxcp
 * Maintainer: lit...@la... xm...@ge...,
pro...@ge...
 * USE:        abi_x86_64 amd64 elibc_glibc kernel_linux nls userland_GNU
xinerama xrandr
 * FEATURES:   distcc distcc-pump preserve-libs sandbox userpriv usersandbox
>>> Unpacking source...
Already on 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
GIT update -->
   repository:               git://
notion.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/notion/notion
   at the commit:            f38deabef9f9d822e30ec4f9694f3c07f8dfb8d8
   branch:                   master
   storage directory:        "/usr/portage/distfiles/egit-src/notion"
   checkout type:            non-bare repository
Branch branch-master set up to track remote branch master from origin.
Switched to a new branch 'branch-master'
>>> Unpacked to /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999
>>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work
>>> Preparing source in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
>>> Source configured.
>>> Compiling source in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999 ...
make -j9 -l8 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc AR=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ar
RANLIB=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-ranlib
which: no lua5.1 in
(/usr/lib64/distcc/bin:/usr/lib/portage/python2.7/ebuild-helpers:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4)
build/lua-detect.mk:33: *** No lua5.1 interpreter found!.  Stop.
 * ERROR: x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
'=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
'=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`.
 * The complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'

 * Messages for package x11-wm/notion-9999:

 * ERROR: x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
'=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
'=x11-wm/notion-9999::moaxcp'`.
 * The complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/x11-wm/notion-9999/work/notion-9999'


It looks like there is an issue detecting my version of lua.

john-gentoo notion # lua -v
Lua 5.1.5  Copyright (C) 1994-2012 Lua.org, PUC-Rio

Does make expect there to be a lua5.1 command on the path? My system seems
to only have a lua command not lua5.1.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Arnout Engelen <ar...@bz...> wrote:

> Hi moaxcp,
>
> Thanks!! I'll try to answer your questions in-line.
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:35 AM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply. I created an ebuild for the last release on github.
>> https://github.com/moaxcp/moaxcp-gentoo-overlay/tree/master/x11-wm/notion
>>
>> Now I'm going to try the 9999 ebuild which should install the latest
>> sources from sourceforge.
>>
>> I do have a few other problems with notion that I would like to figure
>> out.
>>
>> How do I use another monitor without the same resolution?
>>
>
> Notion should support multiple monitors through xrandr out-of-the-box.
>
> With the xrandr command-line tool or a more pleasant graphical one (I use
> 'arandr' myself), you can manipulate the screen layout.
>
> If you use a screen layout where the screens do not overlap, you should
> get a set of notion workspaces for each screen.
>
> If you use a screen layout where the screens overlap, you'll get one big
> set of workspaces, 'mirrored' on each monitor.
>
> If the monitors are not the same resolution, the latter can look kind of
> confusing as some parts of the workspace will not be visible on both
> screens.
>
> How can I replace the statusbar with LXPanel from LXDE?
>>
>
> Change your configuration to not load 'mod_statusbar' and load 'mod_dock'
> instead.
>
> I personally use the xfce4-panel that way, let me know if you run into any
> problems with lxpanel.
>
>
>> Also sometimes when I make a vertical split the status bar shrinks to the
>> left frame instead of staying at full width. How do I fix that?
>>
>
> If you're switching to mod_dock anyway this shouldn't be relevant :). With
> mod_dock, simply configure your panel to take the full screen width.
>
>
> Let me know if you have any further questions (or feel free to pose them
> on the mailinglist).
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arnout
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maoxcp,
>>>
>>> I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
>>> build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
>>> fix that :).
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Arnout
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:17 AM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When will there be a new release of notion? I have seen a lot of work
>>>> being checked in but no downloads for a year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Notion-general mailing list
>>>> Not...@li...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Igor M. <g-...@ya...>]

Since it's highly probably that everyone on this maillist has a github account, we can consider to drop maillist completely and use gitter.im

If we ever see some questions asked repeatedly, when can then just add them to the docs, no?

And for docs, maybe I missed it, but if we have a project on github, why not use gh-pages for docs? https://pages.github.com/
It's static, but we can generate the docs from source anyway.

        Igor Mosyagin

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Ed S. <edm...@cm...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:35 AM Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@co...>
wrote:

> It would be a sad move to migrate to Google, or any other login-requiring
> service.
>
>
I feel that subscribing to mailing lists only to ask a question is much
more burdensome than creating a Google account, and I often simply avoid
joining a traditional mailing list unless I want to receive its mail anyway.

Google groups is nice (assuming you have a Google account, don't think
Google is the devil, etc.) because you can post messages and subscribe to
your thread only if desired.  It also has very good archive search.

I agree it's unfortunate that a Google account is required, though.

Ed

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Thomas K. <tk...@gi...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 02:35:50PM +0200, Wojciech Aniszewski wrote:
> It would be a sad move to migrate to Google, or any other login-requiring
> service. 

You can use the google mailing lists like normal mailing lists without
logging in.

(Un-)Subscription is done by sending mail to

[Groupname]+su...@go...
[Groupname]+un...@go...

This is not well documented though.
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Wojciech A. <ani...@co...>]

It would be a sad move to migrate to Google, or any other login-requiring
service. 

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:42:41AM +0000, tot-to wrote:
> Hi Arnout,
> 
> > That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.
> 
> Perhaps, it would be a good thing, if forum-like interface is
> supplemental to the maillist, but not when it substitutes the maillist.
> 
> > It would be nice to allow people to participate even without a google
> > account - it's indeed pretty neat that sf.net allows you to subscribe
> > without requiring a sf.net account.
> 
> I belive it's a general Google's attitute. For instance I have quite a
> few XMPP contacts from Google. At random login to their account, they
> can receive a suggestion to try so-called Hangouts. If they agree,
> Google silently disables XMPP for them, while I receive an
> "authorization rejected" message and silently disappear from their list.
> 
> Google is one of those proprietary services, that tries to vendor
> lock-in existing users and to impose thier services to others. Please
> don't migrate the maillist to Google.
> 
> > Still, I'd like a nicer home for the lists :).
> 
> Could you please clarify what do you mean by nicer? Or why sourceforge
> and/or mailman is not good enough?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:31:21 +0200
> From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
> To: tot-to <not...@to...>
> Cc: notion-general <not...@li...>
> Subject: Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from
> Sourceforge
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:34 AM, tot-to <not...@to...> wrote:
> 
> > The page on groups.google.com didn't look like a maillist
> > subscription page, but more like a forum.
> 
> 
> That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.
> 
> 
> > I can't see any "subscribe" button and "New Topic" button redirects to the
> > login page, excluding me from the discussion, because I'm not a Google user.
> >
> 
> It would be nice to allow people to participate even without a google
> account - it's indeed pretty neat that sf.net allows you to subscribe
> without requiring a sf.net account.
> 
> Why you don't like the sourceforge maillists? They use a standart
> > mailman, which does not impose using other services.
> >
> 
> I agree the migration doesn't need to be big-bang (as said I already
> accept tickets and PR's on github, for example, and would love it when
> someone could help moving the site and documentation). Still, I'd like
> a nicer home for the lists :).
> 
> 
> Arnout
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:26:51 +0200
> > From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
> > To: notion-general <not...@li...>
> > Subject: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to start moving away from sourceforge.
> >
> > I already accept PR's and issues on https://github.com/raboof/notion
> >
> > It would be nice to have something nicer for the site and docs as
> > described at https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869
> >
> > We'd need to move the mailinglists somewhere, Google Groups might be a
> > good candidate.
> >
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Arnout
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Notion-general mailing list
> > Not...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Notion-general mailing list
> Not...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general

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Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[Thomas K. <tk...@gi...>]

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 06:17:58PM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
> build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
> fix that :).

I'd also appreciate a release -- think of all the poor packagers like myself.
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[Thomas K. <wi...@Ne...>]

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 06:17:58PM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
> build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
> fix that :).

I'd also appreciate a release -- think of all the poor packagers like myself.
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Thomas K. <tk...@gi...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:31:21AM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> I agree the migration doesn't need to be big-bang (as said I already accept
> tickets and PR's on github, for example, and would love it when someone
> could help moving the site and documentation). Still, I'd like a nicer home
> for the lists :).

I think savannah provides mailing lists as well.
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[tot-to <not...@to...>]

Hi Arnout,

> That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.

Perhaps, it would be a good thing, if forum-like interface is
supplemental to the maillist, but not when it substitutes the maillist.

> It would be nice to allow people to participate even without a google
> account - it's indeed pretty neat that sf.net allows you to subscribe
> without requiring a sf.net account.

I belive it's a general Google's attitute. For instance I have quite a
few XMPP contacts from Google. At random login to their account, they
can receive a suggestion to try so-called Hangouts. If they agree,
Google silently disables XMPP for them, while I receive an
"authorization rejected" message and silently disappear from their list.

Google is one of those proprietary services, that tries to vendor
lock-in existing users and to impose thier services to others. Please
don't migrate the maillist to Google.

> Still, I'd like a nicer home for the lists :).

Could you please clarify what do you mean by nicer? Or why sourceforge
and/or mailman is not good enough?

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:31:21 +0200
From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
To: tot-to <not...@to...>
Cc: notion-general <not...@li...>
Subject: Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from
Sourceforge


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:34 AM, tot-to <not...@to...> wrote:

> The page on groups.google.com didn't look like a maillist
> subscription page, but more like a forum.


That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.


> I can't see any "subscribe" button and "New Topic" button redirects to the
> login page, excluding me from the discussion, because I'm not a Google user.
>

It would be nice to allow people to participate even without a google
account - it's indeed pretty neat that sf.net allows you to subscribe
without requiring a sf.net account.

Why you don't like the sourceforge maillists? They use a standart
> mailman, which does not impose using other services.
>

I agree the migration doesn't need to be big-bang (as said I already
accept tickets and PR's on github, for example, and would love it when
someone could help moving the site and documentation). Still, I'd like
a nicer home for the lists :).


Arnout


> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:26:51 +0200
> From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
> To: notion-general <not...@li...>
> Subject: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to start moving away from sourceforge.
>
> I already accept PR's and issues on https://github.com/raboof/notion
>
> It would be nice to have something nicer for the site and docs as
> described at https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869
>
> We'd need to move the mailinglists somewhere, Google Groups might be a
> good candidate.
>
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arnout
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Notion-general mailing list
> Not...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:34 AM, tot-to <not...@to...> wrote:

> The page on groups.google.com didn't look like a maillist
> subscription page, but more like a forum.


That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.


> I can't see any "subscribe" button and "New Topic" button redirects to the
> login page, excluding me from the discussion, because I'm not a Google user.
>

It would be nice to allow people to participate even without a google
account - it's indeed pretty neat that sf.net allows you to subscribe
without requiring a sf.net account.

Why you don't like the sourceforge maillists? They use a standart
> mailman, which does not impose using other services.
>

I agree the migration doesn't need to be big-bang (as said I already accept
tickets and PR's on github, for example, and would love it when someone
could help moving the site and documentation). Still, I'd like a nicer home
for the lists :).


Arnout


> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:26:51 +0200
> From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
> To: notion-general <not...@li...>
> Subject: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to start moving away from sourceforge.
>
> I already accept PR's and issues on https://github.com/raboof/notion
>
> It would be nice to have something nicer for the site and docs as
> described at https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869
>
> We'd need to move the mailinglists somewhere, Google Groups might be a
> good candidate.
>
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arnout
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Notion-general mailing list
> Not...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>

Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[tot-to <not...@to...>]

Hi,

I have seen a couple of free software projects with discussion on google
groups. The page on groups.google.com didn't look like a maillist
subscription page, but more like a forum. When I'm lucky and a page
is displayed in a language, I can understand, I can't see any
"subscribe" button and "New Topic" button redirects to the login page,
excluding me from the discussion, because I'm not a Google user.

Why you don't like the sourceforge maillists? They use a standart
mailman, which does not impose using other services.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:26:51 +0200
From: Arnout Engelen <no...@bz...>
To: notion-general <not...@li...>
Subject: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge


Hello,

I'd like to start moving away from sourceforge.

I already accept PR's and issues on https://github.com/raboof/notion

It would be nice to have something nicer for the site and docs as
described at https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869

We'd need to move the mailinglists somewhere, Google Groups might be a
good candidate.


Any other suggestions?


Kind regards,

Arnout

Re: [Notion-general] Next release

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hello Maoxcp,

I'm not currently planning a new release - but you're quite welcome to
build notion from source, which should be fairly painless. If not, let's
fix that :).


Kind regards,

Arnout

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 3:17 AM, moaxcp <mo...@gm...> wrote:

> When will there be a new release of notion? I have seen a lot of work
> being checked in but no downloads for a year.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
> _______________________________________________
> Notion-general mailing list
> Not...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/notion-general
>
>

[Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hello,

I'd like to start moving away from sourceforge.

I already accept PR's and issues on https://github.com/raboof/notion

It would be nice to have something nicer for the site and docs as described
at https://sourceforge.net/p/notion/mailman/message/32591869

We'd need to move the mailinglists somewhere, Google Groups might be a good
candidate.


Any other suggestions?


Kind regards,

Arnout