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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-09-26 22:20:19
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Yes, but the quesion is, will you need that extra functionality? There is no sense using something that isn't needed... I have no problem with C++. I was just saying that there is also nothing wrong with C. ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-09-26 18:46:54
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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Ok, sine many people don't know much about Objective-C, here is the short definition: C with objects. And nothing else. It is just plain old C -- same libraries, same syntax, same semantics, but with objects. If I remember right, there are ~10 extra grammar rules, and 3 new keywords(all for objects). Right now, I am being taught c++ is evil school(we got new tables i tell you! new tables. with 15 year old boxen on them). If I'm lucky, I'll get books from my lug(quoting roblimo: "They'll feed you with books, in return for your service at 15 bucks an hour. You learn, and you get to make programs over the summer.") Well, objective-C is what c++ should have been. And, GNUstep was designed for objective-C, which is really good too.</color> <nofill> --------------------- ASCII ART ^It's HAL 7000 ^^the murder bot ^^^less homicidal tendencies than the HAL 9000 ^^^^but just as fun |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-24 21:16:34
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Yes, C is valid, but C++ have so many advantages over C, the biggest being classes, although C is legal according to the compiler it can cause a mess combining the two. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CoolProgrammer" <coo...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: c++ compiler stuff and more mpkg > C is also valid C++--no conversion would be necessary. > > ~CoolProgrammer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-09-23 21:54:13
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C is also valid C++--no conversion would be necessary. ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-09-23 17:46:28
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My personal favorite has always been C, but I find C++ to be ok as well. I've never worked with objective C before, so I don't know what advantages/disadvantages it has. I had problems with gcc from Slackware 3.3. It was missing vital header files. I had to download a newer version of the compiler--it worked then. I have WinLinux (ick, I know, but it came on a CD with a magazine, so it was a convenient temporary solution) on our PIII, and it uses egcs--it appears to work well. It sounds like your problem was with the distro, though. If we can properly configure the compiler, we should be able to theoretically use any language (well, almost...). ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-22 22:22:36
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well it pisses me off that they didnt even try the compiler before shipping mandrake 7.1. either that or they just ignored it. as for our programs. C++ would probably be better then C. Sure C is easier for most of us that know it, but it will be longer in the long run when C becomes so outdated we have to convert an entire distros code over to C++ |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-09-22 01:48:25
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The_Micea: I cannot use the GNU C++ stuff either. All of my libraries weren't installed. I can only compiel C programs, not even objective-C! It's a conspiracy made by mandrake to kill C++...except KDE is made with C++, so you can use the qt and kde libraries. This has also made it umpossible for me to compile code crusader(the IDE that i want ot use...it uses JX and ACE, and ACE is made in c+= and needs iostream.h and...). It really gets me angry. I have seen the light with objects(In apscal of all things). They REALLY come in handy when creating UI stuff, or repetetive code. Except c++ != good. But! Objective-C = good. Well, I would liek to put this to a vote: Should all of the mentalunix made programs be in objective-C or regular C? or [write a language here]? --------------------- ASCII ART ^It's HAL 7000 ^^the murder bot ^^^less homicidal tendencies than the HAL 9000 ^^^^but just as fun |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-20 02:24:58
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Im pissed, I installed mandrake 7.1 and the compiler for c++ doesnt work. I will have to fix it somehow or revert to my old one |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-09-20 00:34:07
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response to all: mpkg was going to use the mpkg format...which is...guess what? tar/bzip2! But with XML metadata inside the package. About chats : No one came. except for me. All future chats will be at: irc.openprojects.net:6667 #mentalunix I am unknown_lamer So, in essence it will use an open format, and all distros will be able to use it. The XML part is the stuff that is makig me think it will take forever. I have found that debian is the best package mander right now, and apt is great too(maybe mpkg can support apt?). My idea for hte mpkg databse was/is to have it be able to sync with debian and rpm databases, and have a daemon that monitors changes in the /usr directory(if you isntall a new program, say windowmaker, it owuld be able to use a patern database and try ot deduce the app and add it to its database). So, if it could sync with the debian / rpm databases, then it would be easy to convert. a package converteer woudl eb ncie too(the spec says it will be able to convert autoconf scripts too) --------------------- ASCII ART ^It's HAL 7000 ^^the murder bot ^^^less homicidal tendencies than the HAL 9000 ^^^^but just as fun |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-09-19 22:26:17
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I love that idea. It would finally make the distribution capable of almost being able to handle all formats seen on the Internet for the distribution of binaries. Where would we get info on the rpm format? Also, where would we find into for the deb format? ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ |
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From: Jason A M. <jm...@in...> - 2000-09-19 03:34:19
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Personally, I think it might be good to combine all ideas into one... = create a package manager that can manipulate all of the existing package = formats (.tgz, .rpm, .deb, etc. etc.) plus .mpkg (the MentalUNIX package = format). It's actually fairly easy to write a package manager, because it's = basically just different levels of compression. This can be done with = zlib so it's portable to any Linux variant. Just my 1 1/2 cents worth. Also, before I forget again, I have evidently missed the chats the past = few weeks. What was the time they were to be held? --- Jason A Miller, jm...@in... Linuxdevr |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-09-17 21:37:36
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I have a question--what format was mpkg going to use for its package files? I would warn about introducing another format--there are already incompatible package managers out there. It drives me nuts to see things in RPM format because not all distributions can open them. I personally like Slackware's idea of using .TGZ files for its packages. Adopting another package manager sounds good too. ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-17 04:07:48
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Sounds good, yes we need to get a working dist done as fast as possible, the fine tuning and program altering can be done after. |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-09-17 02:02:30
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I was reading abotu rpm, and debian, and started thinking. Is it feasible to write mpkg? Making it do all that is needs to do it very difficult, and would take a long time. so, would it be better to write mentalunix to use debian packing and apt-get and such, or actually write mpkg? Or, how abotu a compromise -- use debian for the short term, and write mpkg to be feature compatible(in --auto mode) with debian? I like the last option the most, since it would allow us to focus on the installer, and get the dstro done much faster(and make the scotfree0uk people happier) --------------------- ASCII ART ^It's HAL 7000 ^^the murder bot ^^^less homicidal tendencies than the HAL 9000 ^^^^but just as fun |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-08 19:42:58
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nope, sorry. I have a question, anyone see indremas new product they are making? its a linux game consol/dvd player. it looks promising. |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-09-08 04:25:32
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anyone have the 0.0.6 or above cuecat drivers? i need it! --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=325 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-09-01 20:34:38
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Well, the cue cat stuff is no longer available. it has been taken down Stupid Cease and Desist orders Can somebody mail me the module? I really want it. --------------------- ASCII ART ^It's HAL 7000 ^^the murder bot ^^^less homicidal tendencies than the HAL 9000 ^^^^but just as fun |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-09-01 17:22:31
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Im getting a scanner today from radio shack. hehe ----- Original Message ----- From: "CyDust" <clu...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: Radio Shack Cue Cat [Yahoo! Clubs: mentalunix] > i wouldnt be suprised, and that would go right along with what linux is. so linyx wont just be free, but it will also support free hardware! > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1 600006580&mid=324 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "mentalunix": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.g roupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG > > > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-31 21:56:13
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i wouldnt be suprised, and that would go right along with what linux is. so linyx wont just be free, but it will also support free hardware! --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=324 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-31 18:40:28
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The kernel module sounds nice, although I haven't been able to install it. <joke> I hereby mandate that MentalUNIX come out of the virtual box supporting the :cue cat</joke>. I say it as a joke, but wouldn't that be night? Including an gnustep app that accessed the digital convergence database, and including the kernel patch would be cool. Of course, if I get time, and I learn how to use gnustep(and learn Objective-C...i signed up for a c/c++ class, but i'm on;ly getting c++, and the book doesn't point out hgte differences between C and C++, therfore learning objective-C is gonna be difficult), I'll probably write a program. I wonder what hte cahnces are for the :cue cat patch being made part of the official linux kernel? It owuld be cool: linux owuld be the only OS to nativaly support the :cue cat. take that M$. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=323 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-31 06:45:13
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if ya go to radio shack, u should be able to get a free cue cat, its a little bar code reader made by digital convergience, that radio shack is giving away with their catalogs. Pierre-Philippe Coupard from lineo has already released a driver/software/kernel patch for its use under linux. if u need/want it, goto freshmeat, and search for cuecat --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=322 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-08-23 18:13:40
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Well, sorry to hear about your family, hope it all works out. we could do it on a weekday if we could get everyone together. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CyDust" <clu...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: meeting, the distro, and other stuff [Yahoo! Clubs: mentalunix] > hmm, well, i dont work this saturday or sunday, but due to family stuff, probably isnt a good time (ma had surgery, grandma's in hospital) maybe sometime next week. > > and i figured out the command line parameter thingy, its int main(int argc, char *argv[]) > but thx anyways > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1 600006580&mid=321 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "mentalunix": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.g roupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-23 05:36:15
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hmm, well, i dont work this saturday or sunday, but due to family stuff, probably isnt a good time (ma had surgery, grandma's in hospital) maybe sometime next week. and i figured out the command line parameter thingy, its int main(int argc, char *argv[]) but thx anyways --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=321 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-08-23 02:09:06
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ok, well I can deffinitely show up to the next one. just give me the time and chat room, cause we need to have this meeting so we can get working. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mentalspice" <clu...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: meeting, the distro, and other stuff [Yahoo! Clubs: mentalunix] > Nobody showed up at the meeting(i was there until 9:30pm est). Well, we can try again sometime soon. I have no clue how to pass command line paramaters to a program written in c(in pascal there is a variable...i think it is cmdparms or something). > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1 600006580&mid=320 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "mentalunix": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.g roupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-22 23:30:20
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Nobody showed up at the meeting(i was there until 9:30pm est). Well, we can try again sometime soon. I have no clue how to pass command line paramaters to a program written in c(in pascal there is a variable...i think it is cmdparms or something). --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=320 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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