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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-20 01:21:52
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Well, next week. Roblimo ran out of time to grab my bio stuff and such to put in the little 2 or 3 paragraphs about the person you ask the questions. It will make my christmas even cooler -- I'll get a "present" from slashdot. So, everyone look for my name. All 5 linux(and 1 BSD) users at my school are looking, some l33t 31337 hax0rs are(from a group called hackweiser...they deface stuff, so I used hax0r, not cracker). Even my punk rocker friends who hate their winders boxen are gonna look. Look everyday next week. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=367 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-15 23:42:10
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Well, I have got some nifty news...but let the mail from roblimo speak for itself: ----MESSAGE---- Date sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:06:25 +0000 From: robin <ro...@ro...> To: Clinton Ebadi <men...@cr...> Subject: Slashdot interview Clinton, I'm a little tired of interviewing celebs on Slashdot. So next week, would you like to be our interview guest? I assume you know the drill; we post a "call for questions" (usually on a Monday) and people post questions, moderators moderate them, and the next day I (often aided by a few friends and hangers-on) select about 10 of the highest-moderated questions and forward them by email to our victim... err.. guest, who then responds by email within two or three days, whereupon I post the answers and many more comments get posted. We've had one Nobel Prize winner, a couple of well-known musicians, a bunch of programmers, all the recent major presidential candidates (except Al Gore, who wimped on us), and some science fiction writers. I guess it's your turn. Let me know if you're up for this. I am *not* kidding, BTW. - Robin ----MESSAGE---- Oh yeah. I feel cool. I am cool now. Fear me! I'm gonna be on slashdot! woohooo! And, there is an Outrageous SHOP party tonight! This is gonna be on cool weekend / next week. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=366 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-15 01:15:33
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damn, well, i might do that, not sure. i kinda want a stable system right now, so ill wait on the total insanity!!! also, do you have a nic and stuff set up, cause i figured out what my prob is, i need a gateway, but i dont have any in /etc/gateway, and i cant find any of those nifty config tools. so, give me an example and ill adapt it. basically i need this machine to be the gateway (192.168.100.2) --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=363 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-15 00:48:17
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No GUI browser. Except for mozilla. M13. apt-get install mozilla. It'll install it from the disc. Networking thing: No fscking clue. Windows is just like that woody: Its probably another 3 months to a year from being frozen. of course, always staying with unstable is more fun. If you do upgrade to woody, then you can grab M18, and skipstone(its like galeon - the memory leaks). I highly recommend it. Besides, there are more packages in woody(6000+ now). --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=362 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-15 00:37:25
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hmm, might do that after i get dns workin again. damn i hate networking!!!! i got it all installed, but i think suse 6.4 was faster, and its at least twice as big. If it wasnt for the fact that debian doesnt have a gui web browser (even though i hate netscape) and the seeminlgy neverending install!! it wouldnt be that bad... Im back on windows at the moment because of the dns prob, but ill fix that shortly. also, sorry to ask, but anyone have any idea why when in windows, my moms pc, and mine dont find eachother, but when i boot into linux, i can ping her box? I would really, really like to know, its buggin the fricken hell outa me. as for the updating to woody, doenst sound too bad, how far along is it on the devel tree? --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=361 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-15 00:05:09
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Don't just update to 2.2r2, get woody. It is really nice, and spiffy. All up to date. If you don't mind having to live through the wicked update(when I did mine, they updated the package listing 4 times, dpkg broke(it's fixed now), and it had to reboot twice). But, perl 5.6 is now broken, and you have to link /usr/bin/perl5.6 to /usr/bin/perl ... after you get used to littel things like that, it is fine. Of course, if you like stability...and who really cares about that? Plus, things like kernel 2.4test12 and XF 4 work better with woody. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=360 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-12-14 23:18:39
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LOL--I haven't had the chance to become anti-emacs--I've never tried it. I find that vi is pretty powerful, but it's also a pain to learn--painful learning isn't something the distro should probably force early on. In other words, I'm all for anything that's compact and easy to use. I've found that pico is very easy to use (although I don't have it installed on any systems at home). On our 386 and 486, I use joe, and it's pretty cool (although it lacks a find and replace, something I seriously need for programming, so I have to whip out another editor like vi for find and replace). ~CoolProgrammer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-14 22:19:11
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Well, i got my debian cd's today. I was hoping for 2.2r2, but unfortunately, i have 2.2r0. So, after I get that installed, I will be having loads of fun with updating to 2.2r2!!!! --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=359 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: nullpuppy <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-14 07:11:51
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Linux start is shutting down their free email service, so I needed more email space!!! so i now have cydust and nullpuppy yahoo accounts. Just thought I'd let ya'll know --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=357 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-14 06:26:54
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sounds like a good idea. Been a long time since ive used linuxconf, so i need to check up on taht. asd for the package stuff, not a bad idea. maybe we should have at least a 4disk set (disc 1-base, 2-debs, 3-rpms, 4-mpkg) or (disc 1-base, 2-mpkg, 3-src, and then the user desides what kind of package system, if mpkg then disc two, if deb or rpm, then disc 3, and packages are compiled, installed as needed (or disc 3 will be binary tarballs) and then installed into the appropriate database. Now, if I read the last part correctly, i dont think we should have symlinks from /opt/packages/pkg_name to whatever, but instead /opt/packages/pkg_name will have a text file (lets say pkg_name-pkg_type-installed) which will list all of the files installed by that package, then maybe (pkg_name-pkg_type-modifies) that would be updated every time the package database is updated and that would list changed files and whatnot. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=356 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Clinton E. <men...@cr...> - 2000-12-13 21:27:45
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Well, I know vi is small but...The tshirt I'm wearning now says:
"Daddy, why are we hiding from the police?"
"Because we use emacs, they use vi"
I'm anti-vi. I know people who are anti-emacs. So, to save everyone,
mcedit should be included. It's the new pico. It's pretty small, and
has the same interface as mc(alt-number for menus and such). By
including it, we avoid any emacs vs vi wars, at least in the base
system. emacs and vi can be included in packages later on.
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-13 15:04:52
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I say, let's use XFce as the default desktop enviroment. We can bundle it with nautilus or gmc as the file manager, and aterm as the default term. None of the other distributions do this. Also, by making linuxconf actually work right, then people will also like it. Making the package manager able to use any kind of package is another step in the right direction...it allows linux to gain a universalness that other Operating Systems have. Also, stictly adhering to the LSB and FHS is a good idea. And, creating symlinks to all of a packages files in /opt/packages/pkg_name bin src doc etc.. If it modifies a file in /etc or /bin, then their may be problems...any ideas? I'm thinking they can be linked into main_bin and slash_etc or soemthing. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=355 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-13 02:49:41
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I agree the first few releases should work mostly with struture and fs. we need something really radical to make us stand out. there are many linux OSs out there, and they are all drifting towards "userfreindliness" instead of inovation. even debian and slackware(the holy grail of hackers) are doing less inovating and more cosmetics. yes they have nifty new programs and installers, but they are basicly all the same. we need to do somethine really awesome that will make our OS first on the list of every geek, sysadmin, and power user who doest really care about the GNome over KDE controversy, or anything like that. most sysadmins do everything from the consol. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=354 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-12-13 02:39:53
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Im unsure of wether my email is working, let me know if this posts, If I dont here from anyone Ill post on the website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CyDust" <clu...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:17 AM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: MentalUnix, YoZilla, and other stuff [Yahoo! Clubs: mentalunix] > previous post continued: > Ok, gecko/bender/blender stuff. Name isnt important, although we do need a code name, any ideas? well, first off, ive heard netscape 6 is great under windows, but still slow under linux, and it also doesnt contain all the standards compliance that it needs. Therefore, gpl parts need to be optimized, closed stuff needs to be hacked apart, and converted into optimized, good clean linux code. But we should also make the code portable, so it can be used on winblows, mac os, etc, etc. for yozilla: > 0.0.1 -- backend started, basic engine started > 0.0.x upto 0.3 -- backend coded to be allpurpose html/fs viewer/browser > 0.4 ^ 0.6 -- basic interface modules made, and gecko hack started > by 1.0 -- basic, stable backend and interface. basic gecko > by 1.5 -- standard gecko engine, jvm finished (stable) > > Basically, yozilla will be lynx until about 1.5 or 2.0, meaning, it aint gonna support much web wise, but my goal is to create a robust backend that can also be used to create a highly efficient file manager or to be used in other web browser products. all parts will be released via gpl. if you have any ideas (all of you) please post your ideas. Also if you want to help code, or know some one that does or anything, please let me know what you want to do or are at least capable of undertaking. Yozilla is a much more difficult then mentalunix, and help is much needed. > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1 600006580&mid=352 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "mentalunix": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.g roupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG > > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-12-13 02:32:36
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Vi is the simplest and smallest text editor. I have a version of linux called LOAF, that runs off a floppy disk. A whole distrobution on a floppy. But it has vi. Vi is very small.100k maybe. its included with every distrobution ever made and we should have it.Unless we want to code our own text editor. I would be up for that, might be fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mentalspice" <clu...@ya...> To: <men...@li...> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: MentalUnix, YoZilla, and other stuff [Yahoo! Clubs: mentalunix] > No debs. No compiler. Just a small, nice base system. The base system only needs the basics - a package manager, a simple text editor(no emacs or vi), and the file utilities. That is it. It should fit in under 30MB, and be stored as a large .bin file. The installer would mount it to a loop device, and copy its contents to the drive the user chooses(since it will be mounted, it will just copy / to /target, which is the target drive...just like in slackware). And, s/blender/bender/g ! Rewriting gecko is good, at least the non-GPL parts first. Then, comes code optiomization, then adding new features. > > Things like gcc(not egcs...its code was merged back into gcc!) and X would be debs. I like the idea of hacking dpkg to use rpms/tar.gz/sli packages(using things like librpm). If you've never noticed, rpm is just a nice little app that makes librpm do most of the work. This makes writing rpm apps easier than writing a new package manager. So, since I've never looked at the dpkg source, we could just add a switch and have it look for .rpm as the last 3 chars of the package name, and then run the InstallRPM(char[]) function we would write. > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1 600006580&mid=349 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "mentalunix": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.g roupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG > > _______________________________________________ > Mentalunix-developers mailing list > Men...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/mentalunix-developers |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-12 06:17:03
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previous post continued: Ok, gecko/bender/blender stuff. Name isnt important, although we do need a code name, any ideas? well, first off, ive heard netscape 6 is great under windows, but still slow under linux, and it also doesnt contain all the standards compliance that it needs. Therefore, gpl parts need to be optimized, closed stuff needs to be hacked apart, and converted into optimized, good clean linux code. But we should also make the code portable, so it can be used on winblows, mac os, etc, etc. for yozilla: 0.0.1 -- backend started, basic engine started 0.0.x upto 0.3 -- backend coded to be allpurpose html/fs viewer/browser 0.4 ^ 0.6 -- basic interface modules made, and gecko hack started by 1.0 -- basic, stable backend and interface. basic gecko by 1.5 -- standard gecko engine, jvm finished (stable) Basically, yozilla will be lynx until about 1.5 or 2.0, meaning, it aint gonna support much web wise, but my goal is to create a robust backend that can also be used to create a highly efficient file manager or to be used in other web browser products. all parts will be released via gpl. if you have any ideas (all of you) please post your ideas. Also if you want to help code, or know some one that does or anything, please let me know what you want to do or are at least capable of undertaking. Yozilla is a much more difficult then mentalunix, and help is much needed. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=352 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-12 06:16:07
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ok, I tried installing debian from mounted hard drive, but i cant get it to find my modem, so I'm gonna wait for my potato cd's (should be here thursday or friday). I was using suse, but got really tired of those damn rpms. I've got a couple of revised ideas. First of all. I think initially, to get our this project moving, we might want to consider loosely basing the distribution on debian. The extreme robustness of debian is awesome, and makes it an excelent choice. The install is awesome, and we can use that as a start. The first installation program should be something based on something like loadlin, so it can be installed via windows, and just create a simple batch file for the loadlin starting a very simple install program, same thing can be done to create a bootable cd or floppy images. The install should be composed of a simple interface that will load cfdisk (or fdisk) to partition the hard drive, then the option to initalize the swap partition (or to skip that step) then initialize the linux partitions (or at least mount them), then finally install, configure, reboot. Since the first couple releases will be bare and highly useless for the most part (possibly highly unstable as well), we might want to consider single user install. (basically only root) if we do that, however, it will need to be changed before we stabalize the distro. So, to save space and whatnot, lets say single-user until 0.0.9 by 0.1 we want a little more usability on install. 0.2 or 0.3 release will be around 50mb and should include fileutils, and egcs (or gcc which ever it is) as well as gmake. 0.4 will be semi usable, and use apt (or something like that) for pkg installation. 0.5 will have a straight console gui install similar to debians. from 0.6 up to 0.9 the main goal should be packages and installation. the base should be frozen by 0.5 0.1 will have two versions, a cd version and a dl version. the cd will have everything needed include all the basic packages. the dl version will be the base, the drivers, kernel, a dialer, and a package installer, as well as a compiler and stuff. we should not consern ourselves with anything but the basics until 0.5, from 0.0.1 upto 0.4 we need to work on the filesystem pattern, the basic fs hierarchy, the kernel configuration and the overall stability and usability. 0.5 and up we start including user packages. Depending on what we do for package management, dpkg, apt, and apt-get would be perfect. or we modify dpkg into mkg, and use that as the base. If we go on my idea of being able to convert debs and rpms into mpkgs, then it will require some severe hacking, and require a lot of work, but if we are successful, we might be able to create a competeter to debian in terms of its overall excellence. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=351 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-11 19:46:46
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No debs. No compiler. Just a small, nice base system. The base system only needs the basics - a package manager, a simple text editor(no emacs or vi), and the file utilities. That is it. It should fit in under 30MB, and be stored as a large .bin file. The installer would mount it to a loop device, and copy its contents to the drive the user chooses(since it will be mounted, it will just copy / to /target, which is the target drive...just like in slackware). And, s/blender/bender/g ! Rewriting gecko is good, at least the non-GPL parts first. Then, comes code optiomization, then adding new features. Things like gcc(not egcs...its code was merged back into gcc!) and X would be debs. I like the idea of hacking dpkg to use rpms/tar.gz/sli packages(using things like librpm). If you've never noticed, rpm is just a nice little app that makes librpm do most of the work. This makes writing rpm apps easier than writing a new package manager. So, since I've never looked at the dpkg source, we could just add a switch and have it look for .rpm as the last 3 chars of the package name, and then run the InstallRPM(char[]) function we would write. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=349 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CoolProgrammer <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-09 23:20:01
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I thought the user didn't have to agree to the GPL unless he/she decides to distribute the program... For an early installer, it sounds good. However, simply adding a loop could allow multiple partitions for different folders. The only more complex part would be writing /etc/fstab, but it will already have to do that anyway--adding a loop could add the partitions to that as well. Of course, that may be a little complex for 0.0.x... ~CoolProgrammer --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=348 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <las...@ad...> - 2000-12-09 19:15:33
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Ok, it sounds like we are leaning towards making a minimalistic OS. One thats good for developers, hackers, and such and runs smothly and effeciently. Debian sounds great for that. I think we should keep the install as small as possible. The other Linux Distributions like redhat, are getting to bloated, more like windows. A gui is nice, but its the apps, and speed that attracts a user. Right now even BSD is abandoning the developer and hacker in order to get more users. I think we should include Vi.editor. The newest version is very small but usefull, I do all my coding with it. Also Vi and emacs are big rivals, you can include one without the other or else risk angering some hardcore hackers. Heres my ideal list [Main] [2.4.x] kernal init fileutils apt(apt-get, cache) dpkg mc/mcedit Bash shell Zsh shell csh shell [editing] Vi Emacs [Graphics] xwindows with enlightenment maybe [networking] pump(for detecting dsl and cable ip numbers from a dhcp host) dhcp client ftp client http client. telnet whois ping tracert [mail] pine [internet] lynx [development] glibc6 libstdc++ gcc and related libraries python perl This would easly fit on one cd, and also be small enough for people to download. nice and simple and contains many useful programs. |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-09 09:32:22
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hmm, sounds good. but you did forget egcs (a c compiler would be very good, and should be included) I have a Linuxcare business card cd that has a base version of debian on it, but i've been having trouble getting it to work cause it doesnt have much of anything on it. Possibly something similar to that would be good, ill post details on it later after i get them! Also Im starting to wonder if maybe we should start off with dpkg as the main system until at least 1.0.0 release or so, and later implement mpkg. This will require a bit of work on changing the database over and whatnot, but that shouldnt be too difficult. Also, straight deb packages shouldnt be used cause they are debian specific. Of course i have very little experience under debian at the moment, i may be quite wrong. But I should know soon! RIght now im downloading counter strike and a half life patch, so my bandwith sucks right now (damn dial up) so I'll check the updated docs later. As for gecko and blender. My goal isnt to implement gecko in, but rewrite it (maybe that will be blender). The advantage im going for is cleaner, faster code, and something I can work with easier then implementing in static code. Also, I plan on going with the rest of YoZilla and making gecko modular. This stuff will be very, very difficult, and will take a long long time, but in the end it will be worth it. depending on how much work we start doing, and how far we get, im thinking maybe a generic, semi-usage distro (say 0.5.0) around June, if not earlier. The main thing is that we get to work. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=347 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-09 02:51:16
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CSS2: possible. If bender is based on gecko, then it will require a lot, but not a huge amount of hacking to get it fully implemented. Of course, cleaning up the code and killing all of the XUL stuff for Gtk-- and removing any MPL code should be the first priority. My idea for the installer is to get a text based version first, using just the standard c++ text mode stuff(cout <<'s and such). Then, start to port the modules to run on ncurses. My grand scheme is to port ncurses itself to run on gtk or svgalib. Easy GUI mode. But, of course, getting the installer just to work should be the first priority. And packaging everything. I'll try to apt-get source kernel-2.4.0test11 on monday, and compile it with everything set up(and of course tar up all of my compilation stuff). I'm still using 2.2.17pre8! It has worked great for me(300K kernel, 500K with modules). For the base system, dpkg and apt are musts. As well as w3m(since it is so much better than lynx). SysVinit and init are also needed, as well as some essential libraries. No rpm yet, I'll package it later and we can include it with a later version of the installer. No emacs, but I think including mc and mcedit are feasible. Of course, it needs a kernel, and the fileutils, so, my sketch of a base system would be: kernel (2.4test11) shell (bash) init fileutils mc / mcedit apt(apt-get, cache) dpkg glibc(libc6) libstdc++ any apps I'm forgetting? --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=346 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CoolProgrammer <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-09 01:50:15
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Or, could we just modify the Debian package manager to work with librpm and .tgz files? Then, we only have to worry about one database that contains data for all three types. Using C or C++, I could probably fairly quickly come up with a text-based install (I have done some ncurses coding before) if someone could tell me how to change the keyboard input mode so that it does not buffer but gives characters as they are pressed. Oh, yeah--I am convinced that every feature that can be built as a module that we choose not to build directly into the kernel should be built as a module (in other words, get option-happy). This way, it will work for many situations without the user having to immediately learn how to compile a kernel. CSS2 support would be sweet... ~CoolProgrammer --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=345 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-08 21:17:17
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Ok. Here are my ideas for the first installer. Write a simple, text mode, non-configurable installer. Its first step will be to display a nice mentalunix message, and maybe an ASCII logo(I'll try and make one using GIMP + aalib). It can read these using ifstreams from MENTALUNIX or something similar. It should then display the GPL, and make the user agree to it(we also have to provide a source tarball on the site). After that, it needs to allow the user to choose either fdisk or cfdisk, although only allowing them to use one of the other would be easier. Image this: MENU: [F]disk [C]fdisk option? : d INVALID! REenter... [F]disk [C]fdisk option? : C loading cfdisk............ Really simple, 5 or 6 lines of code(do..while a switch, and an exec). After the user partitions, the users should be allowed to run mke2fs on their new partitions(this could be complicated...). The 0.0.x installer should only allow 1 partition, and the user will have to specify it: MENU: [F]ormat partition with mke2fs [S]kip formatting option? : f What partition: /dev/hda3 Running mke2fs........ if it fails to exec, show an error message, and then continue, or make it go back to the menu(requring a whole extra line or two or code). Next, the user has to tell the installer where / is (putting the /etc/fstab file seperate will be required..it has to be generated using an ofstream). Example: Now, we need to know where / is. If you don't know what / is, then you really shouldn't have tried mentalUNIX. / is on what partition: / = ? : /dev/hda2 generating fstab...done. Mounting / on /dev/hda2. Failed! / = ? : /dev/hda3 generating fstab...done. Mountin / on /dev/hda3 Succesful! Now, the option to create initialize a swap partition might be useful(but I'm too lazy to put it where it belongs right now). So, imaging it is up by where you format /. Next, the user has to install the system. Using a massive .bin or tar file will be good for the first few releases. I suggest taking the debian base system, and changing it a bit to have things like emacs(but no lisp) and other essentials in it. Of course, the complete system now will become the base system of the future, so maybe using ae would be better. Trying to keep it at under 30MB is a nice goal as well. Just ask the user if they want to install, and unpack the file to the root partition. Nice, simple, and easy. The last step, of course, is to assign a root password: Please enter the password for root pass : ****** confirm : ****** Creating user.... Your mentalunix system is ready. Yay! Reboot, and lilo will start linux. oh, and maybe an interface to setting up lilo might be good(just take the mandrake or debian code...it will make life easier). Maybe providing the option of editing lilo.conf with ae would also be good. The installer should fit on a floppy, but the data files should either be on an existing partition, or on a cd. After the user agrees the the GPL, they should be asked where the install.bin(or .tar.gz/bz2) file is. They enter it, and it will try to open it using an ifstream(use a pointer, so it can be de allocated after the file is guaranteed to be there...tar will handle it later, so it only needs to be confirmed being there). Over time, start getting portions running on ncurses, and start adding pacakges to the base system. From what I can guestimate, it will take 6 months to a year to get a decent installer(no GUI yet), and a good system. Using dpkg / apt as the early package manager will be a big plus, since users could get access to all of the debian, corel, storm, and progeny archives as well as the mentalunix ones. Hopefully scotfree-uk will still give us space(after taking so long), so we can set up an ftp server with pacakges. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=344 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-12-08 20:49:32
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I'm going to make some changes to the docs and upload them to my briefcase...my change will be in green. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=343 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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