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From: The_Micea <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-05 01:43:03
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well, what time is it in your timezone when its 6pm in NYC --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=299 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-05 00:12:06
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can you add me to your icq list my number is 75473032 thanks --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=298 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 18:19:26
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I personally don't like KDE. But, KDE is going to be included(we are using kdm as hte loging manager!). The default enviroment will be GNOME though(or could we use hte mentalunix config engine to allwo the user ot choose when they first log in?). --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=297 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 09:52:10
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hi i was wondering what is happening with this server idea of yours for everyone using yozilla to be able to chat with each other i'm just reading all the old messages so i don't miss anything --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=296 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 09:11:10
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can you add my email address cab...@op... to your mass mailing list so that i can recive all the info to --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=295 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 08:37:20
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hi my ICQ number is 75473032 i'm willing to do whatever to help with the distrib i will learn c soon and c++ --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=294 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 07:04:50
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i'm from australia and i dont know how i would really come into your chat unless i got up early and on a weekend --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=293 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: operating_systems_man <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 07:03:59
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all i really have to say is that i hate GNOME i use KDE we should let the user select what ever environment they would perfer --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=292 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 06:06:09
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well, i can pretty much only get on at night, but, set a time/date that you would like, and i'll see if i can do it --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=291 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 00:43:37
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I can meet pretty much anytime. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=290 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-04 00:16:18
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Ok, with all the stuff htat needs to be discussed, I think we shoudl have a live chat. When is a good time? The meeting needs to be on IRC(so that all of out members can come). is irc.openproject.net good? channel #mentalunix ? what time is EST is a good time, and what is a good date? everyone please reply. especially mailing-only members --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=289 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 23:26:25
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I'm ahving problems creating a full spec for the commands that mpkg will use. I'm basing it off of rpm, since I find rpm's commands easy to remember. But, remeber that mpkg will have an inerface to the package. Each pacakge has a config.xml and interface.xml that lets the user configure it like with autoconfig. Some things will be in hidden fields(checks for what compiler, system libraries), and will be procesed at start up. More later. The IE stuff won't be file manager stuff(although every browser can sorta be used liek that...if all you want to do is browse your fs). I'm mainly talking VBScript compatibility. Linux is going to be living in an IE world. From what I've been hearing(and seeing) from webmasters is that netscape is dead(hmm...30% market share? now, how is it that apple isn't dead with 9.8%, and mozilla is dead?). ASnd, IE 5.5 is wholly uncompliant with the w3c standards. I'm starting to see more and mroe sites that won't use netscape. Therefore, yozilla needs to be able to render pages like both netscape and ie, use ie only stuff, and generally create a new browser class. now, my hands hurt from a long day of typing. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=288 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 23:16:48
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Paragraphs are always a nice thing to use. I belive that windowmaker is the best window manager out there. Sure, it doesn't look a nice as E, but can E run on my box? NO! Why not? E needs to much RAM. I only have 16MB. WindowMaker uses a few hundred K or RAM. I can comfortably be running XMMS, abiword, Emacs, Netscape, and xpdf. Plus, windowmaker is semi GNOME compliant. IMHO KDE is ok, but not the best desktop enviroment. It has lots of features, a nice windowmanager(kwin is really, really sweet), but it is too slow. The KOM is a very nice thing, and KOffice is much more intergrated than GNOME workshop too. But to me, GNOME with windowmaker just seems mroe robust. I donm't like sawfish either. It looks nice, but it eats more RAM than it should(Besides, I don't want ot have to rewrite my windowmaker theme i made). GNOME should be the default enviroment(using kdm as the login manager). php would require loading Apache during hte install, and is that even remotley feasible? I liek the indea of defining hte interface in XML, but using javascripts(well, a special version of javascript) would be better. Just customize gecko. Add a few commands(file system stuff), and allow people to use regular old binary programs in their modules too. The back-end I was talking about would be the graphics backend--the main program would essentially just be a module loader(like inDesign...little to no features, but great module support). The display backend would be loaded alongside the installer binary(maybe as a library?). The back-end would use display modules. You simply wrote your module using XML and javascript/C, using the back-end API to draw stuff. Imagine this: <xml header stuff> <interface><!--The interface definition--> <remote src="interface.xml\> </interface> That would allwo the interface to be defined in a seperate file(for bigger modules). here is a locat interface: <xml header stuff> <interface> <local><!--tells the parser to look in this section for hte formatting--> <item type="button"><!--lets make a button--> <look="shadow" \><!--what kind of button? shadow? 3d? flat? etc--> <text>Testing</text><!--The button text--> <position x="64" y="64" \><!--the button position--> <action><!--what to do when pressed--> <exec type="program" desc="null" loc="null.app" \> <exec type="script desc="hmmm" loc="local" kind="javascript" \> </action> </local> </interface> I hope the action section was self explanitory. if not, exec executes somthing. type is what(program, script, etc), desc is hte description(Possibly to be read by the help module?), loc is the location, and kind is only usable by scripts(to tell what kind of script it is, since type has been used). Make sense? Well, the evil message board script is going to yell at me if it's any longer so... --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=287 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CoolProgrammer <coo...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 21:45:41
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I believe the installer should have an automatic upgrade mode as well (I don't know if that's what you were getting at). It should even be able to upgrade the basic level packages without being too hard on the user (we were making this easy to use, right?). Slackware almost solves this by having the installer load itself into a ramdisk with the files it needs to run (so you can use it to upgrade any packages), but it's still a manual procedure--deleting old and installing new packages one-by-one. ~CoolProgrammer > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:47:58 -0700 > To: men...@li... > From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> > Reply-To: clu...@ya... > Subject: [Mentalunix-developers] Re: > Yozilla/GNUStep/VBScript/rants [Yahoo! Clubs: > mentalunix] > Reply-To: > men...@li... > > GNUStep is an applications framework, just like > Openstep. When it is finished, it is supposed to > allow programs(that don't use any x86-dependent > stuff) to work on all version of linux(with the > GNUStep framworks), MacOS X, NeXT(yes, those nice > little cubes from the 80's), or and anything with > YellowBox(apple will stop selling yellow box runtime > liscences in september...it's a shame they canceled > all fo their NeXT support). Right now they have a > working version of display ghostscript(well, > postscript costs $$, and is non-free, but > ghostscript is free, so they are using that). The > interface builder is decent(but very unstable), and > it's a generally good framework. I'm running a > CD-Ripper that uses GNUStep. The nice thing about > GNUStep is that you write once(using the GNUStep > frameworks), and it _should_ compile on all the > platforms GNUStep runs on(it semi-works on win32 > with cygwin...but who needs windows programs > anyway!). You can get lots more information from the > GNUStep site(! > http://www.GNUStep.org ). Also, GNUStep apps just > run better when you use windowmaker(you get extra > featurers...possibly because windowmaker is the > "official" GNUStep window manager) > > On the installer: > I had a crazy idea: why not make it display > agnostic? Just write a back-end that featured a > simple, easy to use graphics API(draw button, load > picture, etc)? Then, the back-end would do the real > work! Just have the back-end in Gtk+ mode(or use a > back-end module) and you have graphics! If you can't > support graphics mode, then have it use ncurses(or > its own console GUI toolkit)! It owuld make life > much, much easier. And, how about having the > installer modules be little XML files that defined > the interface, and then ran either javascript-like > programs, or just regular programs when an action > happened? It's the easiest(IMHO) and best solution > to the problem of making a universal installer. And > why not add in a feature to upgrade other > distros?(it coudl read hte packages.log most of them > have, or it could query the rpm database, or even > have a list of known programs and locations, and > look for them) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 21:16:07
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mpkg stuff: If i remember correctly, u said you were having probs with mpkg specs and syntax. well, i think we need a cross between dpkg and rpm. I personally love rpm's, but dpkg is great too (although, i used mainly dselect, which is really difficult to get used to). syntax- mpkg -(install/upgrade options) -(dependancy stuff) -(other stuff needed) <package>.mpkg as for the package name, foo-1.0.0-mup.mpkg (we should include a copy right, or a distro name in the filename) a copyright/ and a checksum or something to make it secure and valid. distro name only if we plan on making mpkg usable on multiple distro's, other wise it not needed. in which case the mup in the name above would be the copyright, or signature of the package creator or the person that compiled the package. mentalunix admin: check out the mentalunix site. my general idea is that mentalunix admin will be a front end that will load apps like netcon, sndsetup, printconfig, and others. that way, its completely modular, and the front end config file will be in xml, so that users can customize, or that other distributors con customize. basically, change images, and the way its displayed. That way, in testing, as long as everyone has the same version, we can share configs, and test designs and what not, basically, nearly all the config stuff needs to be user customizable. mentalunix wm: as i said before, we need to deside whether windowmaker is practical for default. but basically, we just need config files for all of the available window managers (i think thats the word is was looking for before) that are mentalunix stuff. also, are we going to use mentalunix as the official name, or just code name. i suppose its not that important, as long as we remember how to change all the names in the distro if we modify the official name. mentalunix vm: I think i'll worry about most of the stuff here since, i am the main guy behind it, but what are your ideas for it? plex86 with new front end? or a new app, based off of plex86. either way, plex should be included with distro. my idea is modify plex for backend, and create a front end thats like a vmware ide like thing. basically a development front end that would allow compiling of everything, including virtual compiles on a virtual system. basically, give me your ideas. yozilla: i probably will have someone to develop the jvm (java virtual machine) but yozilla it self will take a long time to develop. for 1.0 release of mentalunix, yozilla may be beta, but probably not. im guessing a bare html display engine, and a good overall gui. basically, i will modify generic config files to be used as a system explorer (like windows explorer) for linux (probably designed mainly for kde/gnome) unless, u have other ideas. ie capabilities, will take years probably, unless we get lots of help. well, i guess that ends my rant for now </rant> --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=286 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 21:14:58
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ok, thats right. Thx for the clarification. As for GNUstep.... I mean the installer, sounds great. We need to define it a little more, and clarify it, but overall, great. I just registered for classes today to, so, starting sept 24, ill be at school from about 8:30-1:30. I'll do most of my work over the weekends and such, and don't get mad at me if I get a little behind, I need to consentrate on school, so I can (hopefully) graduate on time! I am planning on opening up a cyber cafe like store thingy around here within the next year, and stuff. In about another week, I'll have another harddrive, and a pentium90, 16meg, 2gig system running slack, so, I will begin getting to work then. Right now, I have a book on beginning linux programming, and svgalib graphics programming. I also got the linux core kernel commentary, and something on hacking. I am thinking that I should finish cryptonomicon and the beginning linux programming book, and get started. Installer: ncurses sounds great for console mode. We should make a simple moduler installer backend in c, use ncurses for console front end, and gtk, tk, or something similar for graphics version. maybe we could use a html/web like interface for installer. We would need a display engine, and something to give us a good X like interface. that way, we use XML/php for create on request display. As for the feature to upgrade other distro's: How does that work. I could understand if it was an app in of it self, but, why would someone want to do that. We could, maybe add a mentalunix install that doesnt harm the config files. Basically, it would convert a, say redhat system, to a mentalunix system, without harming it. No partitioning, no editing partition tables, no formatting, etc, etc, etc. It would upgrade kernel, if needed, and upgrade any packages that the user would like. also possibly convert the rpm database to mpkg database, but flag all converted programs as originally rpm's. That way, if one was to upgrade a package using mpkg, and the old app was an rpm, ir would check for package discrepencies and differences to make sure they are compatable. If they are not, mpkg would have an option to uninstall old rpm, and install mpkg package. the previous, was also an idea for mpkg, incase you didnt pick that up! GNUstep/windowmaker stuff: sounds good, although, do we really want to make it so the user needs to use gnustep, or need use windowmaker so it runs faster? I can understand including it, and what not, but is window maker really the best choice for default. Many people out there prefer gnome or kde, and would rather not resort to using window maker, and then there are the others that just like console stuff. If we do use window maker for default, we need to remember to include the same apps for gnome and kde. Maybe we should make 2 versions of the apps, one for gnustep, on for the distro. This way, we could create an x86 version, and a nuetral version, and give the people more of a choice. I realize it means a lot more work, but whats really more important, the amount of work we have to do, or customer service and such? --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=285 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 14:47:59
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GNUStep is an applications framework, just like Openstep. When it is finished, it is supposed to allow programs(that don't use any x86-dependent stuff) to work on all version of linux(with the GNUStep framworks), MacOS X, NeXT(yes, those nice little cubes from the 80's), or and anything with YellowBox(apple will stop selling yellow box runtime liscences in september...it's a shame they canceled all fo their NeXT support). Right now they have a working version of display ghostscript(well, postscript costs $$, and is non-free, but ghostscript is free, so they are using that). The interface builder is decent(but very unstable), and it's a generally good framework. I'm running a CD-Ripper that uses GNUStep. The nice thing about GNUStep is that you write once(using the GNUStep frameworks), and it _should_ compile on all the platforms GNUStep runs on(it semi-works on win32 with cygwin...but who needs windows programs anyway!). You can get lots more information from the GNUStep site( http://www.GNUStep.org ). Also, GNUStep apps just run better when you use windowmaker(you get extra featurers...possibly because windowmaker is the "official" GNUStep window manager) On the installer: I had a crazy idea: why not make it display agnostic? Just write a back-end that featured a simple, easy to use graphics API(draw button, load picture, etc)? Then, the back-end would do the real work! Just have the back-end in Gtk+ mode(or use a back-end module) and you have graphics! If you can't support graphics mode, then have it use ncurses(or its own console GUI toolkit)! It owuld make life much, much easier. And, how about having the installer modules be little XML files that defined the interface, and then ran either javascript-like programs, or just regular programs when an action happened? It's the easiest(IMHO) and best solution to the problem of making a universal installer. And why not add in a feature to upgrade other distros?(it coudl read hte packages.log most of them have, or it could query the rpm database, or even have a list of known programs and locations, and look for them) --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=284 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CyDust <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-03 06:21:22
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ok, my turn to rant <begin rant> First off, I have about 2 months left before i have to goto school, so I have 2 months to make money. In about 2 weeks I will have a new (20gig) hdd, and I will be able to begin some good development stuff. Right now, I am learning just about everything. I hope to get books on xml, php, dhtml, c, c++, and probably gtk+ or something like that. Im guessing that I will be a little behind in major devel and stuff until at least the end of the year. The way things are looking, Im guessing, at least to start off, I will be of most use in design, simply because I know that! I should be able to write the DTD's, but it'll be awhile until I get good at it. Also, im drawing a complete blank, what is GNUstep? My thinking is that it is a window environment thingy (term esapes me at the moment). For the installer. We need both console and graphics version, and graphics version needs to be simple, easy to use, and require very little. I'm thinking c/shellscripting for console mode, and c++, and gtk, or tk for graphics, or something like that. Well, for now, that is my rant. Look for continued rant shortly! <end first half of rant> --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=283 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-02 17:08:22
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I was thinking, since Yozilla is going ot be based on mozilla, why use the crappy interface? I know we could write an XUL to change the interface, but wouldn't it be better in the long run to rewrite the interface? I'm guessing that it wouldn't be too difficult using GNUStep. WE could even rewrite parts of gecko against GNUStep to make it more portable. Or, just keep the XUL interface, and rewrite the display parts of gecko from using Gtk to GNUstep dgs(Display Ghostscript) and WiNGs(the WindowMaker toolkit). The interface would still look good(images instead of standard buttons), but it would run better on WindowMaker. Since Yozilla is going ot have VBScript compatibility, what should we use for the spec: the Microsoft stuff, or should I buy a book on it(The o'reilly vbscript in a nutshell has a good command reference...annotated, and almost 2/3 of the book)? I'll have money by the time we need it too(hmm...i have US -$2.00 right now). I personally feel better cloning something(or learning to use it...both of which must be done to clone VBScript) reading a book. For some odd reason a flickering screen is only nice to look at for 10 or 12 hours, then my eyes burn(not ot mention you can flip through a book easier, and I'm betting an annotated spec is better than the M$ specs). <assorted rantings> What language should we program the installer in? C? C++? Objective-C(and make it use GNuStep)? Or another language(pascal comes to mind...it cna even use Gtk+ too)? I'm asking because I alread y know pascal, but It will be at least until december before I can go over all of C(at least most of it), and un-learn the turbo-C macros they are going ot teach me(might as well and try to learn to program using Gtk+). My time seems ot be lessening every day. I have less and less of it. I'm stuck on the mpkg spec(I'm not very good at defining the syntax...if anyone can help, please post what you think the syntax should be). Nevertheless, I'm posting a revision 0 version on the sourceforge site(today, tommorow, or the next day). I've been reading a book on XML(my library is fun. They have lots of computer-books, and i don't have to pay...sure beats some library systems where they only have 10 year old books), but I haven't gotten very far(stupid library...they just had to have 15 copies of Rainbox six...). I'm probably going to end up getting an XML reference(just to keep). XML seems like a good choice for usage in configuration files. Any objections to using XML as the standard format? If not, can anyone help to write the DTDs for the config files? ranting is always fun, sometimes you get to important stuff. The general mentalUNIX spec is inadequate. I'm workign on lots more specs, and filling in peices of theoriginal that were left out. Expect a new version soon(by septmeber). My linux box is near dead. I have lots of files(the original spec, my Mp3s, etc) on a FAT partition(so that other OS can use them...). But, something bad happened to the partition table. I added a new kernel to GRUB, and then hda1(windoze) wouldn't mount(wrong major or minor number). I tried rewriting the partition table, but fdisk failed(mucho errors when writing, then a seg fault). So, I can't access over 500MB of files(including the MentalUNIX spec...but i can just download thay). So, anybody have any ideas on what to do? Short of killing the entire disk and losing all of my files? Well, I'm trying to get a general feel for C now, and then I will be taught whatever I miss(oh, the wonders of school, and 4000 page books). Right now i program basic programs that modify files and such, but nothing dealing with graphics(X is scary).Gtk+ works with pascal now, so that's not a real barrier, the only barrier is speed. because, speed is nice. and psacal is just a little bit slower than C. </rant> --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=282 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-08-02 15:01:55
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Looks like plex86 will be ready in time for a 1.0 release of the distro! Why? It runs dos!!! And, it can almost, kinda, sorta boot linux. This is very, very nice. And, if it isn't ready, bochs has be lgpl'd, so we could use that. Time to load some good ol dos apps[and i finally got dosemu to run dos 7/win95...I had to tell it to boot into dos not windows...but my win partition and all my mp3s just went bye bye. windows tried ot kill linux without asking me, and well, it corrupted the partition table(i upgraded to 98, and then downgraded. It just so happens that windows restores your MBR. Well, it didn't like the fact htat LILo was there, and it messed up it's own major and minor numbers(but the linux partition ahs the right numbers)) --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=281 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <clu...@ya...> - 2000-07-28 21:18:26
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well the files would be mostly on his server so he will have access to all of them. but I think we should send him a copy of every working version with installer --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=280 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-07-28 13:52:39
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Here is the message from scotfree-UK. I told the webmaster that we accepted the project: Hi Clinton, Thanks for what you and the MentalUnix Linux team are doing,please pass this on. Web space won't be a problem, i'll give you what you need as soon as you let me know when you need it. From what i understand so far , am i safe in saying that you guys will take this on and that i can start to advertise its release in the near future and put up an add requesting members to give suggestions on its packages etc????? As for the list of software to be included i am currently working on this and i will email it to yourself a.s.a.p. As for the 1.00 release ,would i have access to the releases before this to test them etc??? Best regards, Justin Smithies Scotfree-uk (P.S. Remember to let me know as soon as you need the web space) --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=279 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: Mentalspice <clu...@ya...> - 2000-07-28 13:43:36
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He joined the developer mailing list. I'm assuming he joined. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=278 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: The_Micea <clu...@ya...> - 2000-07-28 12:38:05
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In that case I guess we should do it, I thought they would want somthing different but if all they want is a modified version of ours then lets do it. Also I think we should let the other guy join. the larger our team the faster it will get done. We most become a more professional company though as we grow or we will end up like one of the other lesser distrobutions. --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=277 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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From: CoolProgrammer <clu...@ya...> - 2000-07-27 22:18:46
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Sounds good to me! It wouldn't be to difficult to modify MentalUNIX to fit their specs. We just need to make sure we don't guarantee them anything we can't handle, or we could run into problems. ~CoolProgrammer --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "mentalunix" by email. Reply to this message: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=mentalunix&sid=1600006580&mid=276 Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix/config/change_mb_list Return to "mentalunix": http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ---------------------------------------------- Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=munix_devr&.groupID=mentalunix&.groupType=&.code=IVyJGMuRxG |
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