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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 13:14:57
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On Wednesday 21 August 2002 07:27 am, Kelledin wrote: > On Wednesday 21 August 2002 06:48 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > > Hi, > > > > attr-2.0.8-1.i486.rpm > > attr-2.0.8-2.i486.rpm > > attr-2.0.8-3.i486.rpm > > > > 1, 2 and 3 ????? > > ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/incept/ will generally contain a few > obsolete revisions of RPMs (it gets cleaned out every once in > a while). > > ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/LATEST/ will generally contain only > the very latest RPM revisions. This is probably what you > should use. Note that it changes bit by bit from day to day. Oh, one other thing...the sendmail and postfix RPMs will always=20 be in conflict. I put them both in there to give users a choice=20 between the two, but the two can never coexist. Just leave out=20 sendmail (and sendmail-cf) or leave out postfix (and=20 postfix-sample). Or leave out both. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 12:35:34
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I've opened up port 873 for rsync access to skarpsey.dyndns.org. =20 "rsync -rlz rsync://skarpsey.dyndns.org/ftp /local/ftp/mirror"=20 will copy everything from the FTP archive to /local/ftp/mirror=20 on your system. This should be rather more bandwidth-efficient than just straight=20 FTP download. With an upstream connection like mine, I suggest=20 we take all the bandwidth efficiency we can get. ;) --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 12:28:42
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On Wednesday 21 August 2002 06:48 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > Hi, > > attr-2.0.8-1.i486.rpm > attr-2.0.8-2.i486.rpm > attr-2.0.8-3.i486.rpm > > 1, 2 and 3 ????? ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/incept/ will generally contain a few=20 obsolete revisions of RPMs (it gets cleaned out every once in a=20 while). ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/LATEST/ will generally contain only the=20 very latest RPM revisions. This is probably what you should=20 use. Note that it changes bit by bit from day to day. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-21 11:48:21
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Hi, attr-2.0.8-1.i486.rpm attr-2.0.8-2.i486.rpm attr-2.0.8-3.i486.rpm 1, 2 and 3 ????? i can`t install this rpms.. rpm: package is not relocatable Enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 08:06:07
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Well, this e-mail was too big to go through the first time=20
(thanks to the attachments). Here it is this time, with=20
compressed attachments...
On Wednesday 21 August 2002 02:30 am, Enrico Kern wrote:
> First, i need a running base-set for the setup-cd, so i
> created one (list from previous mail). This works fine, is
> standard and fully conform (installation fits LSB). Sure i
> install the rpms, but not the basesystem. If you whish i do
> that, but ill find it heavy.. i have only a big fat list of
> RPMS.. i must find and sort out the depencies of all libraries
> needed by the base-system, sure rpm can check and install
> depencies, but with a own maintained basetree, we drive better
> imho. We can also convert this "own" base to a "base.rpm" or
> somewhat.. i see no problems, but a better managment of the
> installation.
Sorry about the one big fat list...I've attached a script that
may help you along with that. It's capable of taking a
directory full of RPMs and generating a list of dependencies
between those RPMs. It's 99% effective, which may be good
enough for a quick job. Its main limitations are that it won't
actually check version numbers of provided symbols, and it
prefers to leave out dependencies that rpm sticks in there just
for the hell of it--dependencies like rpmlib(blah,blah).
Instructions for use:
Take all the RPMs in the big fat list and place them in a single
directory. There should be nothing else in this directory, not
even child directories.
Run "./gendlist.sh [rpm-dir] > rpm-dep-list".
You should now have a depmod-style listing of RPM dependencies.
Just to get you started, I've attached an example list of
dependencies. I generated it using the following commands:
mkdir RPMS
cp /mnt/smb/Midgard/ftp/LATEST/RPMS/{i486,noarch}/* RPMS/
=2E/gendlist.sh RPMS > rpm-dep-list.example
--=20
Kelledin
"If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20
it still cost four figures to fix?"
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 08:02:25
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On Wednesday 21 August 2002 02:30 am, Enrico Kern wrote:
> First, i need a running base-set for the setup-cd, so i
> created one (list from previous mail). This works fine, is
> standard and fully conform (installation fits LSB). Sure i
> install the rpms, but not the basesystem. If you whish i do
> that, but ill find it heavy.. i have only a big fat list of
> RPMS.. i must find and sort out the depencies of all libraries
> needed by the base-system, sure rpm can check and install
> depencies, but with a own maintained basetree, we drive better
> imho. We can also convert this "own" base to a "base.rpm" or
> somewhat.. i see no problems, but a better managment of the
> installation.
Sorry about the one big fat list...I've attached a script that=20
may help you along with that. It's capable of taking a=20
directory full of RPMs and generating a list of dependencies=20
between those RPMs. It's 99% effective, which may be good=20
enough for a quick job. Its main limitations are that it won't=20
actually check version numbers of provided symbols, and it=20
prefers to leave out dependencies that rpm sticks in there just=20
for the hell of it--dependencies like rpmlib(blah,blah).
Instructions for use:
Take all the RPMs in the big fat list and place them in a single=20
directory. There should be nothing else in this directory, not=20
even child directories.
Run "./gendlist.sh [rpm-dir] > rpm-dep-list".
You should now have a depmod-style listing of RPM dependencies.
Just to get you started, I've attached an example list of=20
dependencies. I generated it using the following commands:
mkdir RPMS
cp /mnt/smb/Midgard/ftp/LATEST/RPMS/{i486,noarch}/* RPMS/
=2E/gendlist.sh RPMS > rpm-dep-list.example
--
Kelledin
"If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20
it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-21 07:31:02
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Hi, > > Sorry, I don't quite follow you. What exact troubles are you > having? Are you installing a system from the RPMs, and the > system is just failing to boot? Or are you not even able to > install a complete system from the RPMs? First, i need a running base-set for the setup-cd, so i created one (list from previous mail). This works fine, is standard and fully conform (installation fits LSB). Sure i install the rpms, but not the basesystem. If you whish i do that, but ill find it heavy.. i have only a big fat list of RPMS.. i must find and sort out the depencies of all libraries needed by the base-system, sure rpm can check and install depencies, but with a own maintained basetree, we drive better imho. We can also convert this "own" base to a "base.rpm" or somewhat.. i see no problems, but a better managment of the installation. Enrico |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 07:20:04
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On Wednesday 21 August 2002 01:54 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > Hi guys, > > I have some troubles with the installation of a "base" system > from the rpms. Currently i use a pre-compiled standardbase > with the following base-packages (this stuff is also included > in the bootable setup-cd.. the setup-cd is only the > baseset+install+packages) I add a script to automatical > download and compile this packages ready for installation. So > we can easy update this later. Sorry, I don't quite follow you. What exact troubles are you=20 having? Are you installing a system from the RPMs, and the=20 system is just failing to boot? Or are you not even able to=20 install a complete system from the RPMs? --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-21 07:17:46
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Hi, Michael what do you mean when we dont use a penguin in our logo? I mean we would to develope a Distribution they sets of from others. I think about a classical style, look and feel. This should also represents our logo. I think a few peoples should make suggestions and we will try to convert it. Enrico Ah btw. http://h07-server.org/~phantom/iosdev/ios-logo.jpg ;) what do you think? ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-21 07:06:38
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Enrico Kern <ph...@h0...> Said: > can you send me the informations required for the website on > inceptionos.org, i need php, mysql and access to the webdirectory. OK - PHP is already running, mysql is as well but I need to configure it correctly - I'll let you know as soon as that is done. You've already got access to the web folder, upload to ~/../../web/ HTH -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ Do you believe in the existance of the non existant existancy from no where? Where no one exisists in the existance of non existance and those who exist are not actually existing but are just non existing and are only existing in their non existing mind of misconception? |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-21 06:56:16
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Ah and terry, can you send me the informations required for the website on inceptionos.org, i need php, mysql and access to the webdirectory. ph...@h0... Regards, Enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-21 06:54:10
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Hi guys, I have some troubles with the installation of a "base" system from the rpms. Currently i use a pre-compiled standardbase with the following base-packages (this stuff is also included in the bootable setup-cd.. the setup-cd is only the baseset+install+packages) I add a script to automatical download and compile this packages ready for installation. So we can easy update this later. From all the latest versions (stable branches): Linux Kernel 2.4.19-XFS+preemptive Bash Binutils Bzip2 Diff Utils File Utils GCC 3.2 Grep Gzip Make Sed Sh-utils tar pppd Gawk Texinfo MAKEDEV Glibc 2.2.5 Glibc-linuxthreads 2.2.5 Man-pages Ed Vim 6.1 Find Utils rp-pppoe Ncurses Bison Less Groff Man Perl 5.8.x M4 Autoconf Automake Flex File Libtool Bin86 Gettext Kbd E2fsprogs Lilo Grub Small Bootmanager Modutils Procinfo Procps Psmisc Shadow Password Suite Sysklogd Sysvinit Util Linux Netkit-base Net-tools basedirs.tar.gz ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-21 06:11:54
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Michael Lauzon <inc...@my...> Said: > Just thought of someting, should we get an IRC channel hosted on > Freenode (http://freenode.info/) -- formerlly Open Projects -- or > should we host our own IRC server on inceptionos.org? I'd prefer we hosted it somewhere other than inceptionos.org TBH. Experience tells me that ircd's bring nothing but headaches & DOS attacks ;-) I can let someone run a bot from inceptionos.org though. -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ If it doesn't work, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-21 00:07:53
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 01:23 pm, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Just wondering, when we get the installer finished, what > version number should we use for the first official(?) release > of InceptionOS, and in that case...does someone plan on making > an ISO for the distro; I am also asking about the ISO because > if I could find someone willing to download the ISO to burn to > CDs, then I could bring a bunch of CDs to the local LUG here > in Toronto and give them out for testing purposes (actually > everyone should do that). Just an idea. Well, I've always been of the opinion that the first "stable"=20 release of something should be called 1.0 (if it's been through=20 a lot of testers) or 0.1 (if it's just been through a little=20 ten-person cadre like us for testing). I think we should go through the following roadmap: 1) Get a working install procedure going, with a working set of=20 packages. It should be a fairly fast and easy process to make=20 the install procedure work with a different set of packages. 2) Get this initial set of packages+install procedure made into a=20 bootable ISO and burned to CD (also, provide boot floppies for=20 those of us who can't boot/use a CD). Pass it around to our=20 friends, to the local LUGs, etc. for testing and suggestions. A=20 lot of people will probably suggest to us different ways of=20 doing things, and more/different apps to use. 3) Set up a package freeze deadline. After this point, no new=20 packages will be added (though packages can have their versions=20 updated and be revised). 4) Set up a version freeze deadline. After this point, no=20 packages will have their versions updated except to correct=20 serious bugs, add hardware support, or plug security holes. =20 Current versions can be revised, however, and patches can be=20 added. Changing the way things are done at this point is=20 strongly discouraged. 5) Set a release date. At this point, the current distro=20 revision will have a version assigned, and it will be given its=20 own directory on inceptionos.org which should remain largely=20 unchanged. It will be committed to an ISO, and "official"=20 CD/disk label images should probably be made available. Currently no dates are set, because I don't have a very clear=20 idea how soon we can get stuff finished up. Also, regarding LILO...I can probably get some packages committed=20 for that. I used to use it myself, before I tried grub. I=20 agree, the user should have a choice. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 19:52:42
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Does anyone know where I can get free shell access + IRC, that does not need SSH to get an account? -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm - Sent .0000002 seconds ago |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 18:58:09
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Sorry about this, but I forgot to mention it before. I've emailed all the Developers/Testers/Etc., except for the following three: Terry, Enrico, and Kelledin. To find out if they still want to work on InceptionOS, I told them that if they still want to work on the project to get back to me in a timely manner, if not they will be removed from the Developers list, a few emails came back with Fatal Errors, which means their no longer using that email address. --=20 http://fastmail.fm - Come on home |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 18:55:22
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Hi, does anyone know a package manager (console, ncurse based or somewhat)? I could scan the rpm directories and build a small application to select and install for the installation but no complete rpm package manager.. i think it would be better to have a console based UI for the users? if X is running we could use tools like kPackage Enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 18:43:12
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Just thought of someting, should we get an IRC channel hosted on Freenode (http://freenode.info/) -- formerlly Open Projects -- or should we host our own IRC server on inceptionos.org? -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm Any faster and it wouldn't be email! |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 18:26:39
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Hi, Within the finished installation i create iso-images. regards, enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Just wondering, when we get the installer finished, what version number > should we use for the first official(?) release of InceptionOS, and in > that case...does someone plan on making an ISO for the distro; I am > also asking about the ISO because if I could find someone willing to > download the ISO to burn to CDs, then I could bring a bunch of CDs to > the local LUG here in Toronto and give them out for testing purposes > (actually everyone should do that). Just an idea. > > > > -- > Michael Lauzon > Founder & Lead Project Manager > InceptionOS Project > http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ > inc...@my... > > -- > http://fastmail.fm/ - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old > cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r_______________________________________________ > Maxlinux-devel mailing list > Max...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/maxlinux-devel > |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 18:23:38
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Just wondering, when we get the installer finished, what version number should we use for the first official(?) release of InceptionOS, and in that case...does someone plan on making an ISO for the distro; I am also asking about the ISO because if I could find someone willing to download the ISO to burn to CDs, then I could bring a bunch of CDs to the local LUG here in Toronto and give them out for testing purposes (actually everyone should do that). Just an idea. -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm/ - A fast, anti-spam email service. |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 17:51:00
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Michael Lauzon <inc...@my...> Said: > Just thought I'd let the group know, this is my new email address, as > the other one started having problems. So, I'll be using this one from > now on, until we can maybe(?) setup a web based email system for > developers on the main inceptionos.org site; hopefully Terry will let > us do this. You're in luck there actually. Just as soon as my workstation has finished building (reinstall of Debian) I'll start configuring inceptionos.org properly. I already have a web based mail program installed, more info soon. BTW, I more than happy to install/configure software that people would like on the web/ftp server. You've only got to ask. HTH -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ Just my 16.99UKP (My thoughts might have become easier to produce but marketing and branding still cost money) |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 17:48:29
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Michael Lauzon <inc...@my...> Said: > Terry mentioned using GRUB as the default Bootmanager, that is a bad > idea...LILO is easier to use; I myself -- trying to install Caldera > OpenLinux 3.1 -- couldn't figure out how to use GRUB. I suggest giving > the enduser the choice of either using LILO or GRUB upon installation > like Red Hat does, I think other distros do this as well (all except > Caldera). Heh :) OK. I've forgotten how difficult grub is to use for those used to lilo :) Either's good :) -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ I can bend minds with my spoon |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 17:06:19
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Hi, > Terry mentioned using GRUB as the default Bootmanager, that is a bad > idea...LILO is easier to use; I myself -- trying to install Caldera > OpenLinux 3.1 -- couldn't figure out how to use GRUB. I suggest giving > the enduser the choice of either using LILO or GRUB upon installation > like Red Hat does, I think other distros do this as well (all except > Caldera). > Grub is MUCH easier then lilo, you dont have to write mbrs, better configuration.. and grub is much much better if you have problems with ooting linux.. lilo is standard sure, but you can also choose between grub and Small Bootmanager.. Also you said something about a redhat like install system.. we can later switch to a GUI System.. yes shity with graphics, and buttons and mouse and all this bullshit. But now we should concentrate on a installationsystem that can be used for development and a distribution that is enabled for a easy installation to work and develop with it.. I perform this step right now.. i think in end of this week i can present you a bootable cd whish can install InceptionOS.. but then this is no great programm we have then a inception-devel distribution. Also i think you as maintainer should build a roadmap or somewhat, we must know what must be done.. Enrico |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 17:01:07
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Terry mentioned using GRUB as the default Bootmanager, that is a bad idea...LILO is easier to use; I myself -- trying to install Caldera OpenLinux 3.1 -- couldn't figure out how to use GRUB. I suggest giving the enduser the choice of either using LILO or GRUB upon installation like Red Hat does, I think other distros do this as well (all except Caldera). -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm - Click it, you'll feel better |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 16:31:40
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Just thought I'd let the group know, this is my new email address, as the other one started having problems. So, I'll be using this one from now on, until we can maybe(?) setup a web based email system for developers on the main inceptionos.org site; hopefully Terry will let us do this. Also, we may want to setup a BugZilla database in the main site as well...if I remember SF also has one; but shuffling people back and forth between sites is not a problem although it would be easier to do most of everyting on one site. -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free.=20 |
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