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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 16:30:59
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Just thought I'd let the group know, this is my new email address, as the other one started having problems. So, I'll be using this one from now on, until we can maybe(?) setup a web based email system for developers on the main inceptionos.org site; hopefully Terry will let us do this. Also, we may want to setup a BugZilla database in the main site as well...if I remember SF also has one; but shuffling people back and forth between sites is not a problem although it would be easier to do most of everyting on one site. -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 http://fastmail.fm : send your email first class |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@my...> - 2002-08-20 16:26:46
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Just thought I'd let the group know, this is my new email address, as the other one started having problems. So, I'll be using this one from now on, until we can maybe(?) setup a web based email system for developers on the main inceptionos.org site; hopefully Terry will let us do this. -- Michael Lauzon Founder & Lead Project Manager InceptionOS Project http://www.sf.net/projects/maxlinux/ inc...@my... --=20 Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are!=20 http://fastmail.fm - Get your mail using the web or your email software |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@jm...> - 2002-08-20 15:59:06
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<html><head><meta Name=3D'keywords' Content=3D'commtouch, pronto, mail, = free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communicatio= ns, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></he= ad><body ><div align=3D'left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Kel= ledin,<BR> <BR> I have an account on GeekLog, and my post was <BR> sent to the Admins before being posted, so I <BR> know it can be setup to do that...and that <BR> would keep the riff-raff from posting garbage; <BR> of course we should look into it more.<BR> <BR> <BR> Michael<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ---- Begin Original Message ----<BR> <BR> From: Kelledin <BR> <kel...@sk...><BR> Sent: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:47:22 -0500<BR> To: "Michael Lauzon" <BR> <inc...@jm...><BR> CC: max...@li...<BR> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Maxlinux-devel] <BR> inceptionos.org<BR> <BR> <BR> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 09:24 am, Michael <BR> Lauzon wrote:<BR> > What about the people who don't have 'Net <BR> > access from home -- me for example -- so I <BR> > don't have keys and whatnot, so is it <BR> possible <BR> > to setup the RaQ to have a way for me to <BR> access <BR> > it like I access a Linux account through <BR> > Telnet?<BR> <BR> I would think that if you could reach the RaQ <BR> via telnet, you <BR> could also reach it via ssh...same network, <BR> just a different <BR> port and protocol. =A0Am I missing some crucial <BR> detail here?<BR> <BR> Getting yourself a "public SSH key" is a simple <BR> matter once <BR> you've got OpenSSH installed--no need to <BR> actually register with <BR> an online database somwhere. =A0You just generate <BR> an RSA key pair <BR> via "ssh-keygen -t rsa" and enter the password <BR> when it asks for <BR> one. =A0When you want SSH2 public-key access to a <BR> server, you just <BR> send your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub file (and a nice <BR> little access <BR> request message) off to the server admin.<BR> <BR> > (http://www.inceptionos.org/) site, will be <BR> the<BR> > official site for the project, if I understand<BR> > your question correctly. =A0Have you had a <BR> chance<BR> > to check out GeekLog (http://geeklog.sf.net/)<BR> > to see what it can do?<BR> <BR> At this point, I think we're all in favor of <BR> using <BR> inceptionos.org as the main site. =A0As for FTP <BR> hosting...inceptionos.org will at least be a <BR> primary mirror. =A0<BR> Better for it to become the master FTP archive, <BR> I think--the <BR> alternative is for developers to connect to my <BR> box over a dodgy <BR> cable modem with a mere 30K/sec upstream. =A0Ouch <BR> ouch ouch. =3D/<BR> <BR> I'm personally in favor of Geeklog myself--it <BR> suits the style we <BR> want quite well. =A0It'll take a MySQL backend, <BR> but it shouldn't <BR> generate enough SQL traffic to overload the <BR> system--especially <BR> if we don't have the "riff-raff" commenting all <BR> the time and <BR> competing for first post (no offense to the <BR> riff-raff ;).<BR> <BR> -- <BR> Kelledin<BR> "If a server crashes in a server farm and no <BR> one pings it, does <BR> it still cost four figures to fix?"<BR> <BR> <BR> ---- End Original Message ----<BR> <BR> <BR> </TT><br><br><font><p align=3Dleft><TT>Michael Lauzon<BR> Founder & Lead Project Manager<BR> InceptionOS Project<BR> http://www.sf.net/projects/max<BR> linux/<BR> inc...@jm...</TT><br>For the coolest stuff on the web vis= it http://www.jmm.ca<br>________________________________________________= ____________<br>Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 langu= ages at http://www.zzn.com.<br></blockquote></blockquote></div></font></= body></html> |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 15:49:10
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Kelledin <kel...@sk...> Said: > This is a first draft of user instructions for SSH/SFTP access. > Suggestions for change are welcome. > > INSTRUCTIONS FOR SSH ACCESS: A quick read through looks fine. I'll take another look when I get home. Once we've decided it's good to go I'll get it docbooked & put into CVS. I'm going to add a documents module to the cvs repo on sf.net if there are no objections. HTH -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ "Instructions are only for people who don't know what they're doing." --Bob the Builder |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 15:36:03
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This is a first draft of user instructions for SSH/SFTP access. =20 Suggestions for change are welcome. INSTRUCTIONS FOR SSH ACCESS: First, an overview of some dry theory. OpenSSH likes to work through "RSA key pairs"--a pair of=20 encrypted keys that are related to each other in a rather=20 unusual way. An RSA key pair consists of a public and a private=20 key. Data encrypted with one key can be decrypted with the=20 other key in the pair, but not with the original key. This=20 leads to some very interesting applications in information=20 security. RSA keys, as applied to OpenSSH, work in the=20 following manner: A user keeps an RSA key pair in his own personal directory (on=20 UNIX systems, this is typically ~/.ssh). The private key is=20 called "id_rsa", and the public key is called "id_rsa.pub". The=20 keys are generated randomly by a program called "ssh-keygen"=20 that comes with the OpenSSH distribution; they may optionally be=20 salted with a password, preferably one known only to the owner of the keys. The id_rsa.pub file is for distribution to any SSH server where=20 you want shell access. The id_rsa file (the private key) is for=20 the OWNER'S EYES ONLY! The practical upshot of this arrangement=20 is that with proper SSH setup, a user in possession of a private=20 RSA key is allowed to connect to any SSH server in possession of=20 the corresponding public RSA key, and all communications between server and client are kept reasonably secure via strong=20 encryption. Now for the step-by-step guide to inceptionos.org shell access: 1) Download and install the latest stable version of OpenSSH. I=20 will not cover this here, as I expect InceptionOS developers=20 to be reasonably capable of installing software on their own.=20 ;) 2) On your local system, choose which user account you want to=20 use to log in to remote SSH servers. If this user does not=20 already have an RSA key pair, you will have to generate one: As this user, run "ssh-keygen -t rsa". It will ask you=20 for a password; you can leave this blank, but it is=20 recommended that you use a password for added security. =20 This will produce two files: ~/.ssh/id_rsa (your private=20 key) and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (your public key). 3) DO NOT GIVE YOUR ~/.ssh/id_rsa FILE TO ANYONE. DO NOT SHOW IT=20 TO ANYONE. BE VERY CAREFUL OF WHO MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. =20 IF YOU ENTERED A PASSWORD WHEN GENERATING YOUR RSA KEYS, DO=20 NOT FORGET THIS PASSWORD, AND DO NOT GIVE THIS PASSWORD TO=20 ANYONE. 4) Send an e-mail to Terry Churchill (te...@do...)=20 requesting SSH access to inceptionos.org. Within this e-mail,=20 note the UNIX-style username you wish to use on=20 inceptionos.org, and attach your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub file (NOT=20 your ~/.ssh/id_rsa file) to the e-mail. You will be notified=20 when your request is granted or denied. 5) If your request is granted, you should be able to log in to=20 the inceptionos.org server via "ssh=20 <username>@inceptionos.org". Enter your RSA key password if=20 it is requested. 6) You should now be successfully logged in to inceptionos.org. =20 If login fails, run "ssh -v -v <username>@inceptionos.org" and=20 capture the output; it will describe exactly what seemed to=20 fail. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@jm...> - 2002-08-20 15:05:29
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<html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Enrico,<BR> <BR> GeekLog is written using PHP, so I think it <BR> would be good to use, check it out, create an <BR> account...and see what it can do; I find <BR> GeekLog a lot better than Scoop.<BR> <BR> Michael<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </TT><br><br><font><p align=left><TT>Michael Lauzon<BR> Founder & Lead Project Manager<BR> InceptionOS Project<BR> http://www.sf.net/projects/max<BR> linux/<BR> inc...@jm...</TT><br>For the coolest stuff on the web visit http://www.jmm.ca<br>____________________________________________________________<br>Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com.<br></blockquote></blockquote></div></font></body></html> |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@jm...> - 2002-08-20 15:05:21
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<html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Enrico,<BR> <BR> GeekLog is written using PHP, so I think it <BR> would be good to use, check it out, create an <BR> account...and see what it can do; I find <BR> GeekLog a lot better than Scoop.<BR> <BR> Michael<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </TT><br><br><font><p align=left><TT>Michael Lauzon<BR> Founder & Lead Project Manager<BR> InceptionOS Project<BR> http://www.sf.net/projects/max<BR> linux/<BR> inc...@jm...</TT><br>For the coolest stuff on the web visit http://www.jmm.ca<br>____________________________________________________________<br>Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com.<br></blockquote></blockquote></div></font></body></html> |
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From: Michael L. <inc...@jm...> - 2002-08-20 15:04:46
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<html><head><meta Name=3D'keywords' Content=3D'commtouch, pronto, mail, = free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communicatio= ns, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></he= ad><body ><div align=3D'left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Enr= ico,<BR> <BR> GeekLog is written using PHP, so I think it <BR> would be good to use, check it out, create an <BR> account...and see what it can do; I find <BR> GeekLog a lot better than Scoop.<BR> <BR> Michael<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ---- Begin Original Message ----<BR> <BR> From: Enrico Kern <ph...@h0...><BR> Sent: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:43:16 +0200 (CEST)<BR> To: Michael Lauzon <inc...@jm...><BR> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Maxlinux-devel] <BR> inceptionos.org<BR> <BR> <BR> hi,<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Enrico,<BR> > <BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No, the InceptionOS<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (http://www.inceptionos.org/) <BR> site, will be the<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 official site for the project, if <BR> I understand<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 your question correctly. =A0Have <BR> you had a chance<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to check out GeekLog <BR> (http://geeklog.sf.net/)<BR> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to see what it can do?<BR> <BR> i meant that i modify the current page <BR> (maxlinux.sf.net). construct simply <BR> dynamically, in addition we do not need <BR> geeklog . I know php rather well. <BR> After redesign we use inceptionos.org as <BR> mainsite and maxlinux.sf.net as a <BR> mirror.. so kelledin says ?<BR> <BR> max...@li... is the ml <BR> addy<BR> <BR> <BR> Regards, Enrico<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ---- End Original Message ----<BR> <BR> <BR> </TT><br><br><font><p align=3Dleft><TT>Michael Lauzon<BR> Founder & Lead Project Manager<BR> InceptionOS Project<BR> http://www.sf.net/projects/max<BR> linux/<BR> inc...@jm...</TT><br>For the coolest stuff on the web vis= it http://www.jmm.ca<br>________________________________________________= ____________<br>Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 langu= ages at http://www.zzn.com.<br></blockquote></blockquote></div></font></= body></html> |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 14:51:29
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 09:47 am, Kelledin wrote: > Getting yourself a "public SSH key" is a simple matter once > you've got OpenSSH installed--no need to actually register > with an online database somwhere. You just generate an RSA > key pair via "ssh-keygen -t rsa" and enter the password when > it asks for one. Sorry...by "the" password, I mean you enter any random password=20 you want to use. I just realized what that bit must have seemed=20 like. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 14:48:54
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 09:24 am, Michael Lauzon wrote: > What about the people who don't have 'Net=20 > access from home -- me for example -- so I=20 > don't have keys and whatnot, so is it possible=20 > to setup the RaQ to have a way for me to access=20 > it like I access a Linux account through=20 > Telnet? I would think that if you could reach the RaQ via telnet, you=20 could also reach it via ssh...same network, just a different=20 port and protocol. Am I missing some crucial detail here? Getting yourself a "public SSH key" is a simple matter once=20 you've got OpenSSH installed--no need to actually register with=20 an online database somwhere. You just generate an RSA key pair=20 via "ssh-keygen -t rsa" and enter the password when it asks for=20 one. When you want SSH2 public-key access to a server, you just=20 send your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub file (and a nice little access=20 request message) off to the server admin. > (http://www.inceptionos.org/) site, will be the > official site for the project, if I understand > your question correctly. Have you had a chance > to check out GeekLog (http://geeklog.sf.net/) > to see what it can do? At this point, I think we're all in favor of using=20 inceptionos.org as the main site. As for FTP=20 hosting...inceptionos.org will at least be a primary mirror. =20 Better for it to become the master FTP archive, I think--the=20 alternative is for developers to connect to my box over a dodgy=20 cable modem with a mere 30K/sec upstream. Ouch ouch ouch. =3D/ I'm personally in favor of Geeklog myself--it suits the style we=20 want quite well. It'll take a MySQL backend, but it shouldn't=20 generate enough SQL traffic to overload the system--especially=20 if we don't have the "riff-raff" commenting all the time and=20 competing for first post (no offense to the riff-raff ;). --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 14:36:51
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Michael Lauzon <inc...@jm...> Said: > Wha about the people who don't have 'Net access > from home -- me for example -- so I don't have > keys and whatnot, so is it possible to setup > the RaQ to have a way for me to access it like > I access a Linux account through Telnet? Also, > I'd like to be on the Webmasters account. By > the way, I suggest using GeekLog > (http://geeklog.sf.net/) as either a news > page or the index page for the site. TBH I'm not prepared to give people telnet access, not while there are good, free win32 SSH clients. When I have to I use putty: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html This also allows for the creation of SSH keys. Could you not consider using this? Please let me know if I'm being a bit over the top, but I _really_ object to the use of plain text passwords... :) -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ Just my 16.99UKP (My thoughts might have become easier to produce but marketing and branding still cost money) |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 14:06:50
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> http://www.inceptionos.org/ > > So, now we need to start developing that site, > as soon as I get more information from the > person. Also, please check out GeekLog: > > http://geeklog.sf.net/ I would modify the current page so that we can add/del/modify entrys. > As, I would like to use that for either the > main page of the site, or just the news page > for the site. What do you think? Please get > back to me ASAP. We have discussed, and the result ist that we all would use this as main package ftp mirror and webhost. or? Enrico |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 13:22:06
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Re :) > My biggest worry about parted is XFS and ext3 support. I'd very > much like to be able to support those filesystems during > installation, as well as reiserfs and ext2 (XFS is my personal > favorite). > > *sigh* If parted only used the standard mkfs utilities as > backends... hmm, my thougt was that we use gparted only as "partioning" tool. the initialisation of the partions is another step, and sure there we can use the mkfs utils. > Nice...I'll have to check that out. It looks pretty snazzy! Smart Bootmanager is cool, i used it a long time and it have more comfort as grub or lilo (ok ok, except grub *G*) I support all three in the setup. Enrico |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 13:18:00
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:51 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > Hi guys, > > I browsed freshmeat a while because i need a partioning > Software for the Installation-procedure (not only fdisk i need > a userfriendly interface). I think there is no need to write a > special programm for InceptionOS/Linux because many good tools > still exist. I will use the following tools: > > GNU/Parted > ---------- > GNU Parted allows you to create, destroy, resize, and copy > partitions. Supported partition types include ext2, FAT (FAT16 > and FAT32), and Reiserfs filesystems and Linux swap devices. > Supported disk labels include MS-DOS and PC98 partition > tables, Sun and BSD disk labels, Macintosh partition maps, and > raw access. Parted is useful for creating space for new > operating systems, reorganising disk usage, copying data > between hard disks, and disk imaging. > > nParted (Interface to gparted) > ----------------------------- > nParted is a graphical newt-based front-end to GNU parted, > which allows you to copy, move, and resize disk partitions > using only your cursor keys. There is no need to know the > geometry of the disk. Think of it as "Partition Magic on a > console". Its small size makes it useful for boot/rescue > disks, and in fact, it is developed for the "La Espiral" > project's boot-floppies. My biggest worry about parted is XFS and ext3 support. I'd very much like to be able to support those filesystems during installation, as well as reiserfs and ext2 (XFS is my personal favorite). *sigh* If parted only used the standard mkfs utilities as backends... > as Bootmanager i prefer: > > Grub and lilo for the two classicals and > > Smart BootManager > ----------------- > > Smart BootManager is a tiny, powerful and multi-language boot > manager written in assembler. SBM supports many features in > only 30K bytes including multi-languages and themes, a user > friendly menu system, partition auto scan, boot schedule, > password protection, and more. SBM is the first GPLed boot > manager to embed an IDE ATAPI CD-ROM driver, it can boot > Win95/98/2K, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and BeOS from CD-ROM. > Multi-bootable image CDs are supported as w. Nice...I'll have to check that out. It looks pretty snazzy! -- Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 13:04:36
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Hi, Enrico Kern <ph...@h0...> Said: > GNU/Parted > ---------- > GNU Parted allows you to create, destroy, resize, and copy partitions. > Supported partition types include ext2, FAT (FAT16 and FAT32), and > Reiserfs filesystems and Linux swap devices. Supported disk labels include > MS-DOS and PC98 partition tables, Sun and BSD disk labels, Macintosh > partition maps, and raw access. Parted is useful for creating space for > new operating systems, reorganising disk usage, copying data between hard > disks, and disk imaging. > > nParted (Interface to gparted) > ----------------------------- > nParted is a graphical newt-based front-end to GNU parted, which allows > you to copy, move, and resize disk partitions using only your cursor keys. > There is no need to know the geometry of the disk. Think of it as > "Partition Magic on a console". Its small size makes it useful for > boot/rescue disks, and in fact, it is developed for the "La Espiral" > project's boot-floppies. Ah - if only I'd known nParted existed last time I had to use GNU Parted ;-) I think it's use would be an excellent idea for this project. ICBW, but > gpart > ----- > Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a > PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is > damaged, incorrect, or deleted. The guessed table can be written to a file > or device. > > .oO(gpart can save lifes ;) )Oo. Hmm, I can see this being useful on a 'rescue' disk or similar. > as Bootmanager i prefer: > > Grub and lilo for the two classicals and > > Smart BootManager > ----------------- TBH I prefer grub as a bootmanager. It may be best to make it the 'default' and allow the user to select a different one if they require. > So.. after work i going straight into my geeklab ;) and start a caffinated > coding session :) :) That make two of us then. -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ Looks catch the eye but after that there is a miriad of other factors that come in to play. Likes, dislikes, hobbies, whether they use vi or are forever damned to the depths of hell for using emacs. Important things like that. |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 12:51:40
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Hi guys, I browsed freshmeat a while because i need a partioning Software for the Installation-procedure (not only fdisk i need a userfriendly interface). I think there is no need to write a special programm for InceptionOS/Linux because many good tools still exist. I will use the following tools: GNU/Parted ---------- GNU Parted allows you to create, destroy, resize, and copy partitions. Supported partition types include ext2, FAT (FAT16 and FAT32), and Reiserfs filesystems and Linux swap devices. Supported disk labels include MS-DOS and PC98 partition tables, Sun and BSD disk labels, Macintosh partition maps, and raw access. Parted is useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganising disk usage, copying data between hard disks, and disk imaging. nParted (Interface to gparted) ----------------------------- nParted is a graphical newt-based front-end to GNU parted, which allows you to copy, move, and resize disk partitions using only your cursor keys. There is no need to know the geometry of the disk. Think of it as "Partition Magic on a console". Its small size makes it useful for boot/rescue disks, and in fact, it is developed for the "La Espiral" project's boot-floppies. gpart ----- Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect, or deleted. The guessed table can be written to a file or device. .oO(gpart can save lifes ;) )Oo. libhardware and scanmodule -------------------------- a GPL Library for hardware detection. i write a little c programm for hardware detection and module config as Bootmanager i prefer: Grub and lilo for the two classicals and Smart BootManager ----------------- Smart BootManager is a tiny, powerful and multi-language boot manager written in assembler. SBM supports many features in only 30K bytes including multi-languages and themes, a user friendly menu system, partition auto scan, boot schedule, password protection, and more. SBM is the first GPLed boot manager to embed an IDE ATAPI CD-ROM driver, it can boot Win95/98/2K, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and BeOS from CD-ROM. Multi-bootable image CDs are supported as w. So.. after work i going straight into my geeklab ;) and start a caffinated coding session :) Enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 10:29:26
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Kelledin <kel...@sk...> Said: > A list of all current developers is avaliable at > http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=21828 > > Some of the members on that list might be "dead > members"--basically people who have left off the project without > notifying anyone. Michael and I will need to see what to do > about those people...the less people with shell access to the > RaQ, the better. Agreed. > I say we have SSH/SFTP set up on the RaQ, with support for > ssh2-publickey authentication, and no other authentication. > Then, simply tell all developers where to send their SSH public > keys if they want access. Good idea. FYI this host is also used by a few close friends so we may need to leave password access enabled, but only I'll know it & it'll be completely random... I'll set up a webmasters user for those who need access to update webpages. I'll then add the keys of those who need access to this user. > As far as FTP hosting, it's a good idea to start hosting the > archive on the RaQ. If another offer comes along, well, we'll > have more mirrors. This never hurts. ;) Indeed :) How do you want to do it? rsync is fine for now if you want to mail me the details. > The archive on skarpsey.dyndns.org will be backed up regularly; > I'm planning on the following schedule: > > 1) Back up everything to tape on a weekly basis. Capacity is not > really a problem here; a single tape cartridge holds 20GB > uncompressed. > > 2) Have the package archive backed up to a CD set whenever the > RPMS or SRPMS repository approaches 700MB. Good CD-R media is > dirt-cheap these days, so this is no problem. > > If it makes things more convenient, I can probably set up rsync > on skarpsey.dyndns.org. This RaQ will also be backed up around 4am Sunday (GMT) to a tape robot. > Done. :) Terry, you're listed as a "Doc Writer", which we could > certainly use. One of the first things I'll need is a set of > documentation for package maintainers (the people who do my > primary job)--basically a set of guidelines for how packages > should be built. I'm fervently hoping I don't end up being the > only package maintainer! I've got a partial rough-draft of the > guide in text format; I'll probably post it in a few days for > you to convert to DocBook format. OK, I'll work out my plan of attack when I get home (working ATM). > We'll also need some sort of end-user manual; we can probably get > started on that once Enrico's got some shots of what the install > procedure will look like, and how it will behave. Excellent, I'll get on ASAP. I'll try and sort out access for people and other related stuff today, but it does depend on how busy it gets at work... -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ One distinguishing characteristic of BOFHen is attention deficit disorder. Put me in front of something boring and I can find a near-infinite number of really creative ways to bugger off. |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 10:07:36
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Gah...i've got to remember to make these things send to the ml. =20 Sorry 'bout that. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [Maxlinux-devel] inceptionos.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:05:00 -0500 From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> To: Enrico Kern <ph...@h0...> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 04:48 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > hmm.. the problem is the speed of 30kb/s (i got not more) we > should use the inceptionos.org host direct for the archive or? > i dont know, but you should upload all the stuff so that we > need only to upgrade the necessary packages. We should probably use the inceptionos.org as the master FTP archive for now. Once we've got sftp/ssh access set up on it, I'll send my public key off to Terry, and I'll set up an upload schedule and try to stick to it. ;) > anyone in ircNET? Not yet, I don't think...I'll see if I can set up a channel on openprojects. Right now openprojects.net seems to be having DNS troubles...hostname lookup fails consistently. -- Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?" ------------------------------------------------------- --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 09:57:34
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Heyhoo, anyone in ircNET? Enrico ------------------------------------------------------- H Zero Seven - Unix/Linux Development and Research Team http://www.h07.org .oO(we do not take anything seriously, as long as it is not on a harddisk)Oo. |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 09:48:34
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Hi, > If it makes things more convenient, I can probably set up rsync > on skarpsey.dyndns.org. hmm.. the problem is the speed of 30kb/s (i got not more) we should use the inceptionos.org host direct for the archive or? i dont know, but you should upload all the stuff so that we need only to upgrade the necessary packages. My sf.net username is "hzeroseven" and i listed in the inceptionOS dev list :) first screenshots: http://h07-server.org/~phantom/iosdev/ But there is a lot todo and still the basic works, timezone etc. will changed later.. the values there (also only GMT) is only for my development. Enrico Enrico |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 09:39:14
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 03:54 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > > OK - Sounds good to me. Who needs access? A list of web > > developers along with email addresses & required username > > would be good. A list of all current developers is avaliable at=20 http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=3D21828 Some of the members on that list might be "dead=20 members"--basically people who have left off the project without=20 notifying anyone. Michael and I will need to see what to do=20 about those people...the less people with shell access to the=20 RaQ, the better. I say we have SSH/SFTP set up on the RaQ, with support for=20 ssh2-publickey authentication, and no other authentication. =20 Then, simply tell all developers where to send their SSH public=20 keys if they want access. As far as FTP hosting, it's a good idea to start hosting the=20 archive on the RaQ. If another offer comes along, well, we'll=20 have more mirrors. This never hurts. ;) The archive on skarpsey.dyndns.org will be backed up regularly;=20 I'm planning on the following schedule: 1) Back up everything to tape on a weekly basis. Capacity is not=20 really a problem here; a single tape cartridge holds 20GB=20 uncompressed. 2) Have the package archive backed up to a CD set whenever the=20 RPMS or SRPMS repository approaches 700MB. Good CD-R media is=20 dirt-cheap these days, so this is no problem. If it makes things more convenient, I can probably set up rsync=20 on skarpsey.dyndns.org. > > OK, one last thing, could someone add me to the list of > > developers on Sourceforge? (Doc_Linux). Since I'm new to > > this project do we have a list of what needs doing? I'm > > willing to write documentation (using Docbook) if it needs > > doing - I'm not really a coder ;-) > > Kelledin can arrange this i think. Hmm i think there are many > tasks. As i say, i work on the installation interface, but > this takes time (compile, package, testing, compile package, > testing ;)) But i can show you some screenshots if you want Done. :) Terry, you're listed as a "Doc Writer", which we could=20 certainly use. One of the first things I'll need is a set of=20 documentation for package maintainers (the people who do my=20 primary job)--basically a set of guidelines for how packages=20 should be built. I'm fervently hoping I don't end up being the=20 only package maintainer! I've got a partial rough-draft of the=20 guide in text format; I'll probably post it in a few days for=20 you to convert to DocBook format. We'll also need some sort of end-user manual; we can probably get=20 started on that once Enrico's got some shots of what the install=20 procedure will look like, and how it will behave. Enrico, what's your SourceForge username (or do you have one,=20 yet)? It doesn't look like you're on the developer list, and=20 I'd like to rectify that. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 08:57:49
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Enrico Kern <ph...@h0...> Said: > Enrico Kern, ph...@h0... > > if shellaccess possible on a Cobalt? i preffer direct edit with vi ;) It is - details to follow in private mail shortly. > Kelledin can arrange this i think. Hmm i think there are many tasks. As i > say, i work on the installation interface, but this takes time (compile, > package, testing, compile package, testing ;)) But i can show you some > screenshots if you want Please :) -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ Just my 16.99UKP (My thoughts might have become easier to produce but marketing and branding still cost money) |
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From: Enrico K. <ph...@h0...> - 2002-08-20 08:55:01
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RE ;) On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Terry Churchill wrote: > OK - Sounds good to me. Who needs access? A list of web developers > along with email addresses & required username would be good. Enrico Kern, ph...@h0... if shellaccess possible on a Cobalt? i preffer direct edit with vi ;) > OK, one last thing, could someone add me to the list of developers on > Sourceforge? (Doc_Linux). Since I'm new to this project do we have > a list of what needs doing? I'm willing to write documentation (using > Docbook) if it needs doing - I'm not really a coder ;-) Kelledin can arrange this i think. Hmm i think there are many tasks. As i say, i work on the installation interface, but this takes time (compile, package, testing, compile package, testing ;)) But i can show you some screenshots if you want Enrico |
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From: Terry C. <te...@do...> - 2002-08-20 08:38:42
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Kelledin <kel...@sk...> Said: > On Tuesday 20 August 2002 02:34 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > Oh btw, I cleaned up the package archive (basically backed up and > removed old, obsolete package revisions). Space consumption is > now down to a much leaner 3 GB. :D :) > HTTP: I like the idea of moving the main site to a dedicated > domain. inceptionos.org sounds good. If nothing else, the > maxlinux.sourceforge.net webhosting can just be used as a > mirror. OK - Sounds good to me. Who needs access? A list of web developers along with email addresses & required username would be good. > CVS: I say we keep CVS on SourceForge. A great many of us (such > as yours truly) already have developer accounts on SourceForge, > and it seems to be doing all right. I agree, Sourceforge do some Nice_Things[tm] with CVS :) > FTP: The FTP archive should go to whoever can provide the most > bandwidth (as well as sufficient disk space). It will be the > biggest load on our bandwidth, because of its sheer size. > SourceForge will *not* allow us to take up that much disk space > on their servers! > The FTP server should be capable of holding the package set for > each release of the distro, as well as current work-in-progress > packages (i.e. what I'm hosting on ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/ ). > It should also be capable of holding ISO images of each release. OK, as I've said in other mails, this host has 26gig ATM & a 10mbit connection, if you think this will suffice & don't have any better offers I'd be pleased to donate it ;-) > Mailing-list: hmmm...so far, SourceForge is doing pretty well for > this. I say stick with it, and keep some load off our servers. Agreed. OK, one last thing, could someone add me to the list of developers on Sourceforge? (Doc_Linux). Since I'm new to this project do we have a list of what needs doing? I'm willing to write documentation (using Docbook) if it needs doing - I'm not really a coder ;-) -- Terry Churchill : http://www.doc-linux.co.uk/ DUMMY MODE, n. The mode in which a user, overcome by technical terms, will believe, and/or do, anything he or she is told. |
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From: Kelledin <kel...@sk...> - 2002-08-20 08:29:45
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On Tuesday 20 August 2002 02:34 am, Enrico Kern wrote: > ok i think thats a fine place.. but what do u want to host > instead a redirect to sf? We have all, mailinglist, space, > shells,, and the best is that All Developer have access to the > files not only a few persons. In some cases i prefer the > outside sf hosting (i dont like sf so much). But we need > resources, the package team has about 10GB of packages, we > need a "fast" ftp for this. Have you traffic limits on your > host? I connect a server direct for ftp use next week but i > have problems with the harddisk capacities *need harddisk* ;) Oh btw, I cleaned up the package archive (basically backed up and=20 removed old, obsolete package revisions). Space consumption is=20 now down to a much leaner 3 GB. :D > I would say, setup mailinglist, cvs, ftp and give some people > or all developers access. and we should move.. what do you > mean kelledin? I am only a little developer, no maintainer its > your right ;) HTTP: I like the idea of moving the main site to a dedicated=20 domain. inceptionos.org sounds good. If nothing else, the=20 maxlinux.sourceforge.net webhosting can just be used as a=20 mirror. CVS: I say we keep CVS on SourceForge. A great many of us (such=20 as yours truly) already have developer accounts on SourceForge,=20 and it seems to be doing all right. FTP: The FTP archive should go to whoever can provide the most=20 bandwidth (as well as sufficient disk space). It will be the=20 biggest load on our bandwidth, because of its sheer size. =20 SourceForge will *not* allow us to take up that much disk space=20 on their servers! The FTP server should be capable of holding the package set for=20 each release of the distro, as well as current work-in-progress=20 packages (i.e. what I'm hosting on ftp://skarpsey.dyndns.org/ ). =20 It should also be capable of holding ISO images of each release. Mailing-list: hmmm...so far, SourceForge is doing pretty well for=20 this. I say stick with it, and keep some load off our servers. --=20 Kelledin "If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does=20 it still cost four figures to fix?" |
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