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Re: [Logicmail-users] Bug? and feature request

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

On 01/30/2011 02:55 PM, Michael R Jordan wrote:
> On 1/30/2011 2:27 PM, Derek Konigsberg wrote:
>> On 1/30/2011 2:23 PM, Michael R Jordan wrote:
>>> I'm using version 2.0.0.258 on a Blackberry 8320 OS 4.5.
>>> When I set up SMTP as "Auto" and "WiFi if available" and send an
>>> email, I get an error saying "5.5.2 unrecognized command". If I
>>> uncheck WiFi it seems to work.
>> What sort of WiFi network, if any, are you on when you try SMTP?
>> My best guess is that you are using a WiFi network that is doing a
>> transparent proxy of SMTP traffic, and screwing something up in the
>> process. (This is more common than we'd like to think.)
>>
> Hmmm, it's just my wireless router here at my house. No special setup
> that I know of. Using it on Roadrunner. Haven't gotten this message on
> any other email clients I use.

What are your "secure connection" and "port" settings in LogicMail for 
Outgoing (SMTP)?
What are the equivalent settings in those other E-Mail clients you use?

Normally my best guess is that you are using TLS/25 on a server that 
doesn't support it, and that the error is when LogicMail tries sending 
the "STARTTLS" command.  Or that LogicMail is connecting in a different 
way than your other E-Mail clients, and its a way that your home WiFi 
router is screwing something up with.  Of course I could easily be wrong.

Worst case, the "Debugging" page on the website explains how you can 
make LogicMail record all network packets to the BlackBerry event log, 
from which we can see exactly where in the SMTP connection this error is 
coming from.

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Re: [Logicmail-users] Bug? and feature request

[Michael R J. <mic...@gm...>]

On 1/30/2011 2:27 PM, Derek Konigsberg wrote:
> On 1/30/2011 2:23 PM, Michael R Jordan wrote:
>> I'm using version 2.0.0.258 on a Blackberry 8320 OS 4.5.
>> When I set up SMTP as "Auto" and "WiFi if available" and send an 
>> email, I get an error saying "5.5.2 unrecognized command". If I 
>> uncheck WiFi it seems to work.
> What sort of WiFi network, if any, are you on when you try SMTP?
> My best guess is that you are using a WiFi network that is doing a 
> transparent proxy of SMTP traffic, and screwing something up in the 
> process.  (This is more common than we'd like to think.)
>
Hmmm, it's just my wireless router here at my house. No special setup 
that I know of. Using it on Roadrunner. Haven't gotten this message on 
any other email clients I use.

>
>> Also, it would be real nice if I could mark an email as unread after 
>> I had read it. Most clients provide for this and I use that feature a 
>> good bit. Otherwise, what a super upgrade from version 1, keep up the 
>> good work!
> Already requested:
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/270
Sorry I clogged up the list with this request. Thanks!

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[Logicmail-users] Bug? and feature request

[Michael R J. <mrj...@sc...>]

Hi,
I'm using version 2.0.0.258 on a Blackberry 8320 OS 4.5.
When I set up SMTP as "Auto" and "WiFi if available" and send an email, 
I get an error saying "5.5.2 unrecognized command". If I uncheck WiFi it 
seems to work.

Also, it would be real nice if I could mark an email as unread after I 
had read it. Most clients provide for this and I use that feature a good 
bit. Otherwise, what a super upgrade from version 1, keep up the good work!

Mike


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Re: [Logicmail-users] Bug? and feature request

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

On 1/30/2011 2:23 PM, Michael R Jordan wrote:
> I'm using version 2.0.0.258 on a Blackberry 8320 OS 4.5.
> When I set up SMTP as "Auto" and "WiFi if available" and send an 
> email, I get an error saying "5.5.2 unrecognized command". If I 
> uncheck WiFi it seems to work.
What sort of WiFi network, if any, are you on when you try SMTP?
My best guess is that you are using a WiFi network that is doing a 
transparent proxy of SMTP traffic, and screwing something up in the 
process.  (This is more common than we'd like to think.)


> Also, it would be real nice if I could mark an email as unread after I 
> had read it. Most clients provide for this and I use that feature a 
> good bit. Otherwise, what a super upgrade from version 1, keep up the 
> good work!
Already requested:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/270

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[Logicmail-users] Bug? and feature request

[Michael R J. <mrj...@sc...>]

Hi,
I'm using version 2.0.0.258 on a Blackberry 8320 OS 4.5.
When I set up SMTP as "Auto" and "WiFi if available" and send an email, 
I get an error saying "5.5.2 unrecognized command". If I uncheck WiFi it 
seems to work.

Also, it would be real nice if I could mark an email as unread after I 
had read it. Most clients provide for this and I use that feature a good 
bit. Otherwise, what a super upgrade from version 1, keep up the good work!

Mike

Re: [Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

There were some issues with reopening a failed connection, which I fixed 
in 2.0.0.258.  (I just linked that to the OTA page last night.)

There are still some issues with keeping an IMAP connection open for a 
long period of time, since the IMAP IDLE handling currently does not 
work very well.  (Issues with how I'm polling the socket, and what 
server replies I'm handling.)  I'm actively working on fixing that, but 
its a lot of work, so it isn't finished yet.

However, LogicMail 2.0 is not currently designed to stay running in the 
background for a long period of time.  There are a lot of little things 
I need to do before that is a usable and reliable option.  (Handling 
repeated disconnects/reconnects automatically, checking multiple folders 
periodically, better notifications, better memory management, etc.)  I 
pushed some of the tasks to make that happen to 2.1.

-Derek

On 01/27/2011 02:26 AM, KwangErn Liew wrote:
> For what it's worth, I only use LogicMail via WIFI connection, and I
> don't have any issues when connecting to the IMAP server.
>
> But I notice that after awhile, the connection is dropped, and a quick
> re-connect is inevitable.
>
> Does LogicMail keep the connection alive in the background when Internet
> is available?
>
>
> KwangErn
>
>
> 2011/1/27 Hervé Philippe <her...@le...
> <mailto:her...@le...>>
>
>     Thank you Derek or your quick answer.
>
>     You are right, battery-pull reset of the phone has exactly the same
>     effect. It is a big progress because now, I can restart logicmail at
>     any time without any download (I still have to confirm this point
>     because just one experience). I didn't try "waiting a while" because
>     the main advantage of LogicMail in my daily activities is "immediate
>     response" ; I cannot "wait".
>
>     Do you have any advice to fix this problem ?
>
>     Regards
>
>     Le 27 janv. 11 à 11:27, Derek Konigsberg a écrit :
>
>      > I really don't think uninstalling/reinstalling could possibly
>     have any
>      > effect at all on this issue.  Just doing a battery-pull reset of the
>      > phone will likely have the exact same effect.
>      >
>      > But I have run into issues in the past where I can't open non-BIS
>      > network connections on my device.  (Its been a long time since I've
>      > seen
>      > this, and I'm guessing it was actually T-Mobile's fault.)  Usually
>      > waiting a while or resetting the phone clears it up.
>      >
>      > The browser runs over the BIS network infrastructure, and uses a
>      > completely different (and more reliable) approach to get online than
>      > apps like LogicMail.
>      >
>      > -Derek
>      >
>      > On 01/26/2011 12:05 AM, Hervé Philippe wrote:
>      >> Hello,
>      >>
>      >> I just bought a Blackberry bold (9780 bought in China where I am
>      >> leaving) and I still don't know whether it's the best choice or the
>      >> worst mistake.
>      >> Hopefully, I discovered Logicmail and it is very convenient.
>      >>
>      >> I have a problem using Logicmail. When I download LogicMail
>      >> (2.0.0.257
>      >> for BB6) it perfectly works : no remark, I greatly appreciate it,
>      >> excellent IMAP synchronisation with my mail server. However, after a
>      >> limited time, I got the message "unable to open connection". I check
>      >> the configuration and all the connections (edge, Wifi). Besides, my
>      >> browser still runs very well.
>      >>
>      >> Each time, I erase Logicmail, download it one more time, and then it
>      >> works ... for a limited time.
>      >>
>      >> All suggestions to fix the problem are welcomed.
>      >>
>      >> Regards,
>      >>
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Re: [Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[Jess H. <jes...@gm...>]

In message <4D4...@lo...>
          Derek Konigsberg <dko...@lo...> wrote:

> Just doing a battery-pull reset of the
> phone will likely have the exact same effect.

Is everyone aware of quickpull? -

http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/1300

Also does right-shift alt delete not work?

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Re: [Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[KwangErn L. <ke...@gm...>]

For what it's worth, I only use LogicMail via WIFI connection, and I don't
have any issues when connecting to the IMAP server.

But I notice that after awhile, the connection is dropped, and a quick
re-connect is inevitable.

Does LogicMail keep the connection alive in the background when Internet is
available?


KwangErn


2011/1/27 Hervé Philippe <her...@le...>

> Thank you Derek or your quick answer.
>
> You are right, battery-pull reset of the phone has exactly the same
> effect. It is a big progress because now, I can restart logicmail at
> any time without any download (I still have to confirm this point
> because just one experience). I didn't try "waiting a while" because
> the main advantage of LogicMail in my daily activities is "immediate
> response" ; I cannot "wait".
>
> Do you have any advice to fix this problem ?
>
> Regards
>
> Le 27 janv. 11 à 11:27, Derek Konigsberg a écrit :
>
> > I really don't think uninstalling/reinstalling could possibly have any
> > effect at all on this issue.  Just doing a battery-pull reset of the
> > phone will likely have the exact same effect.
> >
> > But I have run into issues in the past where I can't open non-BIS
> > network connections on my device.  (Its been a long time since I've
> > seen
> > this, and I'm guessing it was actually T-Mobile's fault.)  Usually
> > waiting a while or resetting the phone clears it up.
> >
> > The browser runs over the BIS network infrastructure, and uses a
> > completely different (and more reliable) approach to get online than
> > apps like LogicMail.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > On 01/26/2011 12:05 AM, Hervé Philippe wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I just bought a Blackberry bold (9780 bought in China where I am
> >> leaving) and I still don't know whether it's the best choice or the
> >> worst mistake.
> >> Hopefully, I discovered Logicmail and it is very convenient.
> >>
> >> I have a problem using Logicmail. When I download LogicMail
> >> (2.0.0.257
> >> for BB6) it perfectly works : no remark, I greatly appreciate it,
> >> excellent IMAP synchronisation with my mail server. However, after a
> >> limited time, I got the message "unable to open connection". I check
> >> the configuration and all the connections (edge, Wifi). Besides, my
> >> browser still runs very well.
> >>
> >> Each time, I erase Logicmail, download it one more time, and then it
> >> works ... for a limited time.
> >>
> >> All suggestions to fix the problem are welcomed.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)!
> >> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better
> >> price-free!
> >> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires
> >> February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY!
> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d
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> >
> >
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> >  dko...@lo...
> > ----------------------------
> >
> >
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Re: [Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[Hervé P. <her...@le...>]

Thank you Derek or your quick answer.

You are right, battery-pull reset of the phone has exactly the same  
effect. It is a big progress because now, I can restart logicmail at  
any time without any download (I still have to confirm this point  
because just one experience). I didn't try "waiting a while" because  
the main advantage of LogicMail in my daily activities is "immediate  
response" ; I cannot "wait".

Do you have any advice to fix this problem ?

Regards

Le 27 janv. 11 à 11:27, Derek Konigsberg a écrit :

> I really don't think uninstalling/reinstalling could possibly have any
> effect at all on this issue.  Just doing a battery-pull reset of the
> phone will likely have the exact same effect.
>
> But I have run into issues in the past where I can't open non-BIS
> network connections on my device.  (Its been a long time since I've  
> seen
> this, and I'm guessing it was actually T-Mobile's fault.)  Usually
> waiting a while or resetting the phone clears it up.
>
> The browser runs over the BIS network infrastructure, and uses a
> completely different (and more reliable) approach to get online than
> apps like LogicMail.
>
> -Derek
>
> On 01/26/2011 12:05 AM, Hervé Philippe wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just bought a Blackberry bold (9780 bought in China where I am
>> leaving) and I still don't know whether it's the best choice or the
>> worst mistake.
>> Hopefully, I discovered Logicmail and it is very convenient.
>>
>> I have a problem using Logicmail. When I download LogicMail  
>> (2.0.0.257
>> for BB6) it perfectly works : no remark, I greatly appreciate it,
>> excellent IMAP synchronisation with my mail server. However, after a
>> limited time, I got the message "unable to open connection". I check
>> the configuration and all the connections (edge, Wifi). Besides, my
>> browser still runs very well.
>>
>> Each time, I erase Logicmail, download it one more time, and then it
>> works ... for a limited time.
>>
>> All suggestions to fix the problem are welcomed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)!
>> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better  
>> price-free!
>> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires
>> February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY!
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d
>> _______________________________________________
>> Logicmail-users mailing list
>> Log...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users
>
>
> -- 
> ----------------------------
>  Derek Konigsberg
>  dko...@lo...
> ----------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better  
> price-free!
> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires
> February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY!
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Re: [Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

I really don't think uninstalling/reinstalling could possibly have any 
effect at all on this issue.  Just doing a battery-pull reset of the 
phone will likely have the exact same effect.

But I have run into issues in the past where I can't open non-BIS 
network connections on my device.  (Its been a long time since I've seen 
this, and I'm guessing it was actually T-Mobile's fault.)  Usually 
waiting a while or resetting the phone clears it up.

The browser runs over the BIS network infrastructure, and uses a 
completely different (and more reliable) approach to get online than 
apps like LogicMail.

-Derek

On 01/26/2011 12:05 AM, Hervé Philippe wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just bought a Blackberry bold (9780 bought in China where I am
> leaving) and I still don't know whether it's the best choice or the
> worst mistake.
> Hopefully, I discovered Logicmail and it is very convenient.
>
> I have a problem using Logicmail. When I download LogicMail (2.0.0.257
> for BB6) it perfectly works : no remark, I greatly appreciate it,
> excellent IMAP synchronisation with my mail server. However, after a
> limited time, I got the message "unable to open connection". I check
> the configuration and all the connections (edge, Wifi). Besides, my
> browser still runs very well.
>
> Each time, I erase Logicmail, download it one more time, and then it
> works ... for a limited time.
>
> All suggestions to fix the problem are welcomed.
>
> Regards,
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)!
> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free!
> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires
> February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY!
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d
> _______________________________________________
> Logicmail-users mailing list
> Log...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users


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[Logicmail-users] Unable to open connection

[Hervé P. <her...@le...>]

Hello,

I just bought a Blackberry bold (9780 bought in China where I am  
leaving) and I still don't know whether it's the best choice or the  
worst mistake.
Hopefully, I discovered Logicmail and it is very convenient.

I have a problem using Logicmail. When I download LogicMail (2.0.0.257  
for BB6) it perfectly works : no remark, I greatly appreciate it,  
excellent IMAP synchronisation with my mail server. However, after a  
limited time, I got the message "unable to open connection". I check  
the configuration and all the connections (edge, Wifi). Besides, my  
browser still runs very well.

Each time, I erase Logicmail, download it one more time, and then it  
works ... for a limited time.

All suggestions to fix the problem are welcomed.

Regards,

Re: [Logicmail-users] Feature requests

[KwangErn L. <ke...@gm...>]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Derek Konigsberg <
dko...@lo...> wrote:

>
> > - Mark labels for each email
> Can you be more specific?  This is something that is obviously
> IMAP-only, and support for non-standard labels might be inconsistently
> supported across servers.  So if a feature for this is designed, I'll
> need some examples of how its normally done.
>

You've a point there, it's a non-standard under IMAP.

A quick search didn't draw alot of answers.

Here's a link that suggests a (PHP) way to create, delete and rename:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/apps-apis/thread?tid=43a124af38d74cee&hl=en

It doesn't quite show how one can assign a label.

Am guessing a message with multiple labels means the message is copied (or
symlinked) across the relevant label directory?



> > - Enable message threading
> You know, I've never actually enabled this feature on my desktop clients
> (mostly Thunderbird these days), but I can see how it could be useful.
> It might look a little awkward with a partially-downloaded mailbox,
> though.  It would also be quite complex, since it would require a
> completely different mailbox screen design.  (and one that might be a
> challenge to make touchscreen-compatible)
>
> So I'm not ruling it out forever, but it might be a little too much for
> now.
>

Understood.



>
> > - Removal of double dashes in signature (optional)
> Adding those double-dashes was actually a specific user request.
> Apparently, they're the standard way of delimiting the signature block
> in E-Mail (technically its two dashes, a space, and a line-feed), so
> clients can detect the signature.  Can you give me an example of another
> e-mail client that adds then, optionally, so I can see how they
> configure that?
>

Addition to what Jess mentioned, I've found a bug report for Thunderbird
that went through as a feature under the preference
mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58406



> > - Offline storage of IMAP emails, whilst having updates whenever possible
> I already cache any message you read, so that's done.  What I don't do
> yet is robust background polling and/or message download.  That's the
> signature feature for 2.1, once I get the time to start designing it.
> (2.0-beta issues and correspondence may keep me busy for a while)
>

Understood. Good things come in good time. :)

IMHO, it's the most important feature for any IMAP client.


>
> > - Sort generic labels/folders/directories to the top level, i.e. Inbox,
> > Starred, Sent, All Mail, Trash, etc. Labels come underneath it.
> This is actually a decent idea, and one that might not be too hard to
> implement.  For now, it'll just do folders that are specifically
> configured (i.e. Sent/Drafts), since the IMAP spec doesn't specifically
> mention any folder names beyond INBOX.  Assigning this one to 2.0 for
> now, but it might get pushed to 2.1:
>
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/271


Thanks!


KwangErn

Re: [Logicmail-users] System Paste option in Compose Mail address fields

[Peter P. <plp...@ya...>]

Thanks. I apologize for the atrocious spelling the the previous message. I will try the beta. Please announce major bugs in the beta, if any, to help people avoid taking the fall by installing it.

thanks,

-- Peter

--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Derek Konigsberg <dko...@lo...> wrote:
For now, I strongly suggest installing the latest 2.0.0.x beta build 
instead of the trunk development snapshots.  I've been doing a lot of 
work fixing minor issues on the 2.0 branch, and have not yet merged 
anything back to trunk.  So in the short term, the 2.0 beta builds will 
have the latest code.

I also remember fixing a context menu issue recently, which may have been 
the cause of your issue.  (its not a feature I need to implement, but just 
a case where I probably wasn't including the field's default context menu 
items like I should have.)

So give the latest 2.0 beta build a try, and see how it works.

-Derek



      

Re: [Logicmail-users] System Paste option in Compose Mail address fields

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

For now, I strongly suggest installing the latest 2.0.0.x beta build 
instead of the trunk development snapshots.  I've been doing a lot of 
work fixing minor issues on the 2.0 branch, and have not yet merged 
anything back to trunk.  So in the short term, the 2.0 beta builds will 
have the latest code.

I also remember fixing a context menu issue recently, which may have been 
the cause of your issue.  (its not a feature I need to implement, but just 
a case where I probably wasn't including the field's default context menu 
items like I should have.)

So give the latest 2.0 beta build a try, and see how it works.

-Derek

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Peter P. wrote:

> Hello Derek,
>
> I would like to know if the Paste option is present in the latest beta. Pase means system (arbitrary previously selected) text pasting capability in the address fields of the Compose Mail screen. This is abosolutely necessary to be able to copy emails which are not in contacts. The only way to do that currently is by creating an address book entry with the new email (used once), and then select that from within LogicMail. The feature is not present in the 1.9.1.231 snapshot which I just installed.
>
> Do you plan to implement this in the future or is it already present in the 2.x beta?
>
> thanks,
>
> -- Peter
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Logicmail-users] System Paste option in Compose Mail address fields

[Peter P. <plp...@ya...>]

Hello Derek,

I would like to know if the Paste option is present in the latest beta. Pase means system (arbitrary previously selected) text pasting capability in the address fields of the Compose Mail screen. This is abosolutely necessary to be able to copy emails which are not in contacts. The only way to do that currently is by creating an address book entry with the new email (used once), and then select that from within LogicMail. The feature is not present in the 1.9.1.231 snapshot which I just installed.

Do you plan to implement this in the future or is it already present in the 2.x beta?

thanks,

-- Peter



      

Re: [Logicmail-users] gMail IMAP idle problem

[misha <mis...@gm...>]

Thank you for your fast response.

Best
Misha

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Derek Konigsberg <
dko...@lo...> wrote:

> I just reproduced your issue on my device, and wrote this ticket:
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/277
>
> I just hope I can reproduce it in the simulator as well, because
> on-device debugging gets quite painful.
>
> On 01/16/2011 09:54 AM, misha wrote:
> > Hello and congrats on this great app.
> >
> > When I connect to any other than gmail imap server (imap.gmail.com
> > <http://imap.gmail.com>) app notifies me almost instantly when there is
> > a new email in the box but with gmail (google apps standard and before
> > on regular gmail account) this just does not work. There is even no
> > email shown unless I click "refresh status". This works fine on others
> > servers ( non gmail, beside the fact that logicmail just disconnects at
> > some point )
> >
> > Any advice? Gmail not supporting IMAP idle for some clients (apps) ??? I
> > have a "stupid" phone (bold 9000 4.6) ?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Misha
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ----------------------------
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>
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> can protect your company and customers by using code signing.
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Re: [Logicmail-users] gMail IMAP idle problem

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

I just reproduced your issue on my device, and wrote this ticket:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/277

I just hope I can reproduce it in the simulator as well, because 
on-device debugging gets quite painful.

On 01/16/2011 09:54 AM, misha wrote:
> Hello and congrats on this great app.
>
> When I connect to any other than gmail imap server (imap.gmail.com
> <http://imap.gmail.com>) app notifies me almost instantly when there is
> a new email in the box but with gmail (google apps standard and before
> on regular gmail account) this just does not work. There is even no
> email shown unless I click "refresh status". This works fine on others
> servers ( non gmail, beside the fact that logicmail just disconnects at
> some point )
>
> Any advice? Gmail not supporting IMAP idle for some clients (apps) ??? I
> have a "stupid" phone (bold 9000 4.6) ?
>
> Thank you
> Misha
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks
> Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand
> malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you
> can protect your company and customers by using code signing.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Logicmail-users mailing list
> Log...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users


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[Logicmail-users] gMail IMAP idle problem

[misha <mis...@gm...>]

Hello and congrats on this great app.

When I connect to any other than gmail imap server (imap.gmail.com) app
notifies me almost instantly when there is a new email in the box but with
gmail (google apps standard and before on regular gmail account) this just
does not work. There is even no email shown unless I click "refresh status".
This works fine on others servers ( non gmail, beside the fact that
logicmail just disconnects at some point )

Any advice? Gmail not supporting IMAP idle for some clients (apps) ??? I
have a "stupid" phone (bold 9000 4.6) ?

Thank you
Misha

Re: [Logicmail-users] Feature requests

[Jess H. <jes...@gm...>]

In message <4D2...@lo...>
          Derek Konigsberg <dko...@lo...> wrote:

>> - Removal of double dashes in signature (optional)

> Adding those double-dashes was actually a specific user request.
> Apparently, they're the standard way of delimiting the signature block
> in E-Mail (technically its two dashes, a space, and a line-feed), so
> clients can detect the signature.  Can you give me an example of another
> e-mail client that adds then, optionally, so I can see how they
> configure that?

The program I use has a disable signature separator check box in its 
configuration.

The only sensible reason I could see for disabling it, is if you 
wanted to automatically include text ahead of the signature, then you 
could add the separator manually below it.

(The other reason, I guess, is if for some reason you wanted users of 
thunderbird, and other programs that grey it out, to be distracted 
from the message by the signature, and not to delete it automatically 
on reply.)

-- 
Jess Hampshire

Plain text emails with interleaved, trimmed replies please. (RFC 1855)

Re: [Logicmail-users] Feature requests

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

See below for my comments:

On 01/09/2011 02:45 PM, KwangErn Liew wrote:
> Thanks for making such a wonderful application! I hope to contribute as
> much as possible, even though I'm not an avid programmer.
There are plenty of needed skills besides programming, such as 
documentation, translation, graphic design, and simple constructive user 
feedback.

> I've been using it briefly and I notice that the following features are
> lacking, is this in-development? Or something unplanned for? I've
> searched around the bug tracking but can't quite find it.

> - Mark messages unread/read
This was actually in 1.1 (user-contributed patch), but never managed to 
make its way into the 2.0 code.  Since 2.0 is already in string-freeze 
(so the translations can hopefully be brought up to date), I'm putting 
the feature ticket for this into the list for 2.1:

http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/270

> - Mark labels for each email
Can you be more specific?  This is something that is obviously 
IMAP-only, and support for non-standard labels might be inconsistently 
supported across servers.  So if a feature for this is designed, I'll 
need some examples of how its normally done.

> - Enable message threading
You know, I've never actually enabled this feature on my desktop clients 
(mostly Thunderbird these days), but I can see how it could be useful. 
It might look a little awkward with a partially-downloaded mailbox, 
though.  It would also be quite complex, since it would require a 
completely different mailbox screen design.  (and one that might be a 
challenge to make touchscreen-compatible)

So I'm not ruling it out forever, but it might be a little too much for now.

> - Removal of double dashes in signature (optional)
Adding those double-dashes was actually a specific user request. 
Apparently, they're the standard way of delimiting the signature block 
in E-Mail (technically its two dashes, a space, and a line-feed), so 
clients can detect the signature.  Can you give me an example of another 
e-mail client that adds then, optionally, so I can see how they 
configure that?

> - Offline storage of IMAP emails, whilst having updates whenever possible
I already cache any message you read, so that's done.  What I don't do 
yet is robust background polling and/or message download.  That's the 
signature feature for 2.1, once I get the time to start designing it. 
(2.0-beta issues and correspondence may keep me busy for a while)

> - Sort generic labels/folders/directories to the top level, i.e. Inbox,
> Starred, Sent, All Mail, Trash, etc. Labels come underneath it.
This is actually a decent idea, and one that might not be too hard to 
implement.  For now, it'll just do folders that are specifically 
configured (i.e. Sent/Drafts), since the IMAP spec doesn't specifically 
mention any folder names beyond INBOX.  Assigning this one to 2.0 for 
now, but it might get pushed to 2.1:

http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/271

> Am sure there are many more, but I hope that there's a comprehensive
> roadmap that'd make Logicmail more feature-pack for usability.

Just look at the web page, and especially the Milestone items on the 
"Roadmap" tab, and you'll see everything currently on the roadmap.

> I look forward to understand Logicmail more and BB+JVM in general to
> help in development where possible.
Help is always appreciated!

Thanks.

-- 
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  Derek Konigsberg
  dko...@lo...
----------------------------

[Logicmail-users] Feature requests

[KwangErn L. <ke...@gm...>]

Hi,

Thanks for making such a wonderful application! I hope to contribute as much
as possible, even though I'm not an avid programmer.

I've been using it briefly and I notice that the following features are
lacking, is this in-development? Or something unplanned for? I've searched
around the bug tracking but can't quite find it.

- Mark messages unread/read
- Mark labels for each email
- Enable message threading
- Removal of double dashes in signature (optional)
- Offline storage of IMAP emails, whilst having updates whenever possible
- Sort generic labels/folders/directories to the top level, i.e. Inbox,
Starred, Sent, All Mail, Trash, etc. Labels come underneath it.

Am sure there are many more, but I hope that there's a comprehensive roadmap
that'd make Logicmail more feature-pack for usability.

I look forward to understand Logicmail more and BB+JVM in general to help in
development where possible.

Thanks! :)


Regards,

KwangErn

Re: [Logicmail-users] feature requests

[Jess H. <jes...@gm...>]

In message <444...@we...>
          "Peter P." <plp...@ya...> wrote:

> What a wonderfully short and to the point list!

I'm curious about why you felt the need to quote the *entire* message 
message when making a dig about the message size.

Seems you sent an even larger message :)

Anyway, that gives me another idea to attempt to conserve bandwidth.

On send, if there is quoted text after the new text, offer the choices 
to delete the redundant text, continue editing or send anyway.

-- 
Jess Hampshire

Plain text emails with interleaved, trimmed replies please. (RFC 1855)

Re: [Logicmail-users] feature requests

[Peter P. <plp...@ya...>]

What a wonderfully short and to the point list!

--- On Wed, 1/5/11, Jess Hampshire <jes...@gm...> wrote:
Hi

Thanks for fixing the signature position issue, I now have a few 
feature requests for Logicmail. (Most are just useful features in 
other clients.)

Transports
==========

1. Include all configured blackberry email accounts (and PIN message) 
as folders, allow replies to be sent using any account (SMTP or 
Blackberry).

(Locigmail doesn't work on BIS for me.)

2. Usenet access.

Text email display enhancements.
================================
(all as options)

a. colour and use a smaller font for quoted text. The colour dependant 
on the number of chevrons. eg. one chevron - blue, 2 chevrons - red, 3 
chevrons - cyan.

Similar to Thunderbird's quotecolors addon, (with background 
colouring, solid bars disabled)

b. grey out signature

c. auto scroll to first new text, (for when people forget to trim 
interleaved replies.)

Text email composition enhancements.
====================================
(all as options)

Only quote selected text in replies, if nothing selected either 
(options);

 i; quote everything (as currently).

 ii; quote up to the sig separator, or the start of any trailing 
previously quoted messages

 iii; quote nothing


Display and Composition enhancements.
=====================================
(all as options)

Tidy chevrons; remove spaces from between quoting chevrons and remove 
chevrons from any blank lines

ie

"> > > Some text     "
"> > >               "
"> > > Some more text"

Becomes

">>> Some text     "
"                  "
">>> Some more text"

Delete multiple blank lines.

Thanks
-- 
Jess Hampshire

Plain text emails with interleaved, trimmed replies please. (RFC 1855)



      

Re: [Logicmail-users] feature requests

[Jess H. <jes...@gm...>]

In message <4D2...@lo...>
          Derek Konigsberg <dko...@lo...> wrote:


> On 1/5/2011 2:34 PM, Jess Hampshire wrote:

>> Transports
>> ==========
>>
>> 1. Include all configured blackberry email accounts (and PIN message)
>> as folders, allow replies to be sent using any account (SMTP or
>> Blackberry).
> Please comment on these feature request tickets to add details:
(tried to set password but no luck, will try again later)

> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/260
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/261

I know things like the facebook app access the email folders (though 
they don't display them.)

> Also, read through the BlackBerry SDK license agreement (especially
> section 2b), to see what parts of these feature requests might cause
> violations that might anger RIM:
> http://us.blackberry.com/legal/SDKLA_English.pdf

An evil looking document

>> (Locigmail doesn't work on BIS for me.)
> BIS, as in BIS-B network connections, or something else?
> BIS-B (the network transport many RIM and 3rd party apps use for
> reliable connections) is another issue entirely.  RIM doesn't want to
> give access without approval, NDA, and being an "alliance partner".  But
> the "secret" is well known, and some open-source apps already get away
> with it, so I'm a little unsure how to proceed.

I assume that logicmail works via APN then. I get BIS but not APN on 
the arrangement I use, so can just use the program on wifi.

>> 2. Usenet access.
> Isn't that a bridge too far for now?  Not sure I want to put in all the
> time and effort to also create a full-blown Usenet client.

Perhaps for version 3 then? I did wonder if it was a moon-on-stick 
type request.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/moon-on-stick.html


>> Text email display enhancements.
>> ================================
>> (all as options)
>>
>> a. colour and use a smaller font for quoted text. The colour dependant
>> on the number of chevrons. eg. one chevron - blue, 2 chevrons - red, 3
>> chevrons - cyan.
>>
>> Similar to Thunderbird's quotecolors addon, (with background
>> colouring, solid bars disabled)
>>
>> b. grey out signature
>>
>> c. auto scroll to first new text, (for when people forget to trim
>> interleaved replies.)
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/262

'I doubt I'll implement any of this for HTML'

I don't think it would be appropriate for HTML, anyway, except when 
converted to plain text.

'assuming it can be auto-detected by "-- \r\n" '

That's how everything else does it. Without the proper sig separator, 
it is part of the message.

'Unfortunately none of this is easy to implement for the composition 
screen.'

It would be nice in both, but it only practical on the message view, 
that would still be most useful.

>> Text email composition enhancements.
>> ====================================
>> (all as options)
>>
>> Only quote selected text in replies, if nothing selected either
>> (options);
>>
>>   i; quote everything (as currently).
>>
>>   ii; quote up to the sig separator, or the start of any trailing
>> previously quoted messages
>>
>>   iii; quote nothing
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/263

I notice quote selected only is missing.

>> Display and Composition enhancements.
>> =====================================
>> (all as options)
>>
>> Tidy chevrons; remove spaces from between quoting chevrons and remove
>> chevrons from any blank lines
>>
>> ie
>>
>> ">  >  >  Some text     "
>> ">  >  >                "
>> ">  >  >  Some more text"
>>
>> Becomes
>>
>> ">>>  Some text     "
>> ""
>> ">>>  Some more text"
>>
>> Delete multiple blank lines.
> http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/264

This would also be very useful for display of messages, since we have 
small screens.

> P.S. I'm currently creating all Feature Request tickets against 2.1, but
> some may get pushed to 2.2 or 2.3 as I prioritize and start actually
> working on the most important 2.1 features.  The 2.0 release is a *huge*
> step for the application, and will form a stable foundation that makes
> most of these feature requests seem trivial in comparison.

Thanks for including them. The most important problem was the 
signature, that is now fixed.

The most useful one to me would be use of Blackberry mail folders and 
transports, since most of the time when I have wifi, I also have a 
computer with webmail.

However, since obviously it is quite a major enhancement, the more 
straightforward feature I would most like is to only quote selected 
text.

Thanks
-- 
Jess Hampshire

Plain text emails with interleaved, trimmed replies please. (RFC 1855)

Re: [Logicmail-users] feature requests

[Derek K. <dko...@lo...>]

(Jess, I CC'd you since I'm not sure if you subscribed to the list after 
posting this message.  Please subscribe and/or remember to send your 
replies to the list.)

Read my replies below, where I've added URLs to all the feature-request 
tickets I've opened to track these items:

On 1/5/2011 2:34 PM, Jess Hampshire wrote:
> Thanks for fixing the signature position issue, I now have a few
> feature requests for Logicmail. (Most are just useful features in
> other clients.)
>
> Transports
> ==========
>
> 1. Include all configured blackberry email accounts (and PIN message)
> as folders, allow replies to be sent using any account (SMTP or
> Blackberry).
Please comment on these feature request tickets to add details:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/260
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/261
Also, read through the BlackBerry SDK license agreement (especially 
section 2b), to see what parts of these feature requests might cause 
violations that might anger RIM:
http://us.blackberry.com/legal/SDKLA_English.pdf

> (Locigmail doesn't work on BIS for me.)
BIS, as in BIS-B network connections, or something else?
BIS-B (the network transport many RIM and 3rd party apps use for 
reliable connections) is another issue entirely.  RIM doesn't want to 
give access without approval, NDA, and being an "alliance partner".  But 
the "secret" is well known, and some open-source apps already get away 
with it, so I'm a little unsure how to proceed.

> 2. Usenet access.
Isn't that a bridge too far for now?  Not sure I want to put in all the 
time and effort to also create a full-blown Usenet client.

> Text email display enhancements.
> ================================
> (all as options)
>
> a. colour and use a smaller font for quoted text. The colour dependant
> on the number of chevrons. eg. one chevron - blue, 2 chevrons - red, 3
> chevrons - cyan.
>
> Similar to Thunderbird's quotecolors addon, (with background
> colouring, solid bars disabled)
>
> b. grey out signature
>
> c. auto scroll to first new text, (for when people forget to trim
> interleaved replies.)
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/262

> Text email composition enhancements.
> ====================================
> (all as options)
>
> Only quote selected text in replies, if nothing selected either
> (options);
>
>   i; quote everything (as currently).
>
>   ii; quote up to the sig separator, or the start of any trailing
> previously quoted messages
>
>   iii; quote nothing
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/263

> Display and Composition enhancements.
> =====================================
> (all as options)
>
> Tidy chevrons; remove spaces from between quoting chevrons and remove
> chevrons from any blank lines
>
> ie
>
> ">  >  >  Some text     "
> ">  >  >                "
> ">  >  >  Some more text"
>
> Becomes
>
> ">>>  Some text     "
> ""
> ">>>  Some more text"
>
> Delete multiple blank lines.
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/264

P.S. I'm currently creating all Feature Request tickets against 2.1, but 
some may get pushed to 2.2 or 2.3 as I prioritize and start actually 
working on the most important 2.1 features.  The 2.0 release is a *huge* 
step for the application, and will form a stable foundation that makes 
most of these feature requests seem trivial in comparison.

-- 
----------------------------
  Derek Konigsberg
  dko...@lo...
----------------------------