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  has anyone tested it?  written a trivial doc with it?
any bugs i should know about?

rday

  i've attached an improved version of my pidgin docbook working
environment -- details are in the README.

  comments?

rday

On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 21:22, Martin Stricker wrote:

> Well, that's one of these manager things: They don't really know what
> they're doing, so they think "If it's expensive it must be good!"
> Furthermore they like to have someone they could sue if anything goes
> wrong...

	Even though the EULA always states that the user CAN NOT SUE.

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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote:

>   this has little to do with the migration project, i just
> thought some folks might find it useful.

Yes, thank you *very* much! I'll hopefully *finally* get a start on
creating a part of the docs...

Best regards,
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Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using opengpg/PGP for a while now and placed my public key on the
> www.keyserver.net and my website.
> 
> Our Company is thinking of using PGP for some people. But want to by
> public/private keys at verisign.
> 
> Is the a difference between my way using a public keyserver of
> verisign?

Well, that's one of these manager things: They don't really know what
they're doing, so they think "If it's expensive it must be good!"
Furthermore they like to have someone they could sue if anything goes
wrong...

Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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  i finally took the time to throw together some files and a
Makefile that will allow me to write docbook files in emacs
outline mode and use abbreviations that will save me piles of
time.

  just unload the attached tar file, and check it out.  it's
basic, with some documentation, but it should be obvious
how it works.

  this has little to do with the migration project, i just
thought some folks might find it useful.

rday

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Hi,

I'm using opengpg/PGP for a while now and placed my public key on the
www.keyserver.net and my website.

Our Company is thinking of using PGP for some people. But want to by
public/private keys at verisign.=20

Is the a difference between my way using a public keyserver of verisign?

TIA
Patrick

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Yeah what do you need to know?  I have always used suns  but recently switched 
to blackdown as it is compiled with gcc3.2 so i can compile mozilla with gcc 
3.2 also made a huge difference with speed of moz.

Dennis

On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:02 pm, Joe Klemmer wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 17:41, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   is there anyone on this list who has a really solid
> > understanding of the installation of sun's java 1.4.1
> > sdk under linux?  (in my case, red hat)
>
> 	I'm afraid I use the IBM rpm.  Sorry.

On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 17:41, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   is there anyone on this list who has a really solid
> understanding of the installation of sun's java 1.4.1 
> sdk under linux?  (in my case, red hat)

	I'm afraid I use the IBM rpm.  Sorry.

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  is there anyone on this list who has a really solid
understanding of the installation of sun's java 1.4.1 
sdk under linux?  (in my case, red hat)

  i'd like to clarify my understanding of the class
search order, something called "endorsed classes"
and a few other things.

  if there's a guru or two out there, i'll post to 
the list and we can all figure this out together.

rday

  i'd like to do the next chapter on software management
(RPM and all that), and i know the basic stuff pretty 
cold, but i'm not as familiar with the more esoteric 
stuff like apt-get lookalikes and so on.

  while i'm writing the basic stuff, the rest of you
can post to this list writeups of the stuff beyond that
so i can start incorporating it.  sound fair?

rday

p.s.  by "basic", i mean i'll cover the "rpm" command
and "rpmbuild".  beyond that, start contributing what
you can.

On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 04:08, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:

> I knew there are Linux distributions for Macintosh, but can i use all
> Linux software that i find true compilation or is that compleet
> impossible because it has a different architecture ?

	You can use most source that's designed to be portable.  If you go with
Yellow Dog you should have most, if not all, of the programs you might
need.  But, if you're running Macs, you might be be better off running
OS X.  I've found that it's got everything I could need for workstation
or desktop needs.  Including X.

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Hi,

I knew there are Linux distributions for Macintosh, but can i use all
Linux software that i find true compilation or is that compleet
impossible because it has a different architecture ?

Patrick

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Nothing comes out better than what is initially put in.

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Patrick Marquetecken wrote:

> I have a thread on the Red Hat Psyche list about Digital Signatures.
> The problems was that i could not check the authentication of a mail
> send from a windows user with pgp 8.0
> My machine RH 7.3, evolution 1.2.1 and gpg 1.2.1
> I have his public key in my keyring and can send him encrypted mails.
> 
> The question:
> What program must the windows/Linux users in a mixt environment have,
> to communicatie with digital signatures and encryption without any
> problems.

Good question... I've never used encryption or signatures, but I *think*
PGP can use non-free encryption standards, and for obvious reasons GNU
PG cannot decrypt these. So the answer to your question is: Either use
GNU PG on both ends or ensure that PGP will only use those encryption
standards that GNU PG can use as well.

Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/
Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/
Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/
Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/

Hi,

I have a thread on the Red Hat Psyche list about Digital Signatures.
The problems was that i could not check the authentication of a mail
send from a windows user with pgp 8.0
My machine RH 7.3, evolution 1.2.1 and gpg 1.2.1
I have his public key in my keyring and can send him encrypted mails.

The question:
What program must the windows/Linux users in a mixt environment have, to
communicatie with digital signatures and encryption without any
problems.

Patrick

--=20
Knowledge in a databank,is like food which is in a deepfreeze.
Nothing comes out better than what is initially put in.

PGP Key: http://users.pandora.be/rivendell/marquetp.gpg
Registered Linux User #44550 http://counter.li.org

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Martin Stricker wrote:
> 
> > Robert has again put together a new chapter, this time about OpenZarus,
> > a (Linux-based?) ROM image for the Sharp Zaurus PDA.
> > Enjoy!
> 
> just so you know, that chapter on OpenZaurus (or just OZ) has precious
> little to do with linux migration, but i was starting to document my
> work with the linux-based sharp zaurus PDA running an open linux
> ROM image, and this was the first place i thought i could toss it
> up and make it available to the folks on the OZ mailing list
> i'm on.
> 
> won't hurt to force them to come to the migration site to read
> it. :-)

And from my point of view this fits very nicely into the Linux Migration
Project - Migration doesn't stop with Servers and PCs but includes PDAs and
other stuff as well. If your CEO uses a WinCE PDA he most probably wants to use
the complementary PC OS as well, thus giving him a Linux PDA might help
promote Linux. BTW I own a Linux PDA myself. Sadly the product now is discontinued.
:-(((
Throwing some useful URLs:
http://www.agendacomputing.de/agenda-e/index-e.htm
http://www.agendacomputing.de/agenda-e/products-e/index-products-e.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/1207/agenda/agenda.html
http://agendawiki.com/
http://mobilix.org/pda_linux_agenda.html

> p.s.  i'm also in the process of documenting how to start
> writing docbook stuff in linux, and that might very well
> go up under the migration site, again just to pull in
> the eyeballs.

Well, Linux is about open standards, right? So XML and DocBook fit in snugly
for me! Furthermore, this will help those who hopefully intend to add their
documents to the Linux Migration Project... ;-)))

> but i am still working on regular content as well.

I have noticed! :-)))

Thank you very much, Robert!

Best regards,
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Martin Stricker wrote:

> Robert has again put together a new chapter, this time about OpenZarus,
> a (Linux-based?) ROM image for the Sharp Zaurus PDA.
> Enjoy!

just so you know, that chapter on OpenZaurus (or just OZ) has precious
little to do with linux migration, but i was starting to document my
work with the linux-based sharp zaurus PDA running an open linux
ROM image, and this was the first place i thought i could toss it
up and make it available to the folks on the OZ mailing list
i'm on.

won't hurt to force them to come to the migration site to read
it. :-)

rday

p.s.  i'm also in the process of documenting how to start
writing docbook stuff in linux, and that might very well
go up under the migration site, again just to pull in
the eyeballs.

but i am still working on regular content as well.

Robert has again put together a new chapter, this time about OpenZarus,
a (Linux-based?) ROM image for the Sharp Zaurus PDA.
Enjoy!

Best regards,
Martin Stricker
-- 
Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/
Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/
Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/
Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/

Many thanks to Robert! He has finished a chapter about setting up the
environment for various programming languages.

Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/
Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/
Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/

Joe Klemmer wrote:

>         I'm still inclined to keep this as minimal as possible.
> Discussing anything beyond shell (as related to batch programs) would
> be excessive.

Point taken. But since he just shows how to *set up the environment* I
think he should go for it.

> > so, any other languages?

I don't know it that's possible, but it would be nice to show the
migrants how to use languages they already know like Visual Basic or
(maybe) C#.

> > i figured i'd draw the line at stuff like tcl/tk.
> 
>         If you're gonna have python you should also include tcl/tk
> as it's just about as popular in the wild.  :-)

And it's platform independent. I often use Perl's Tk package to create
cross-platform graphical applications. Just copy the scripts over and
they'll run on *nix, Win, Mac... (well, there are a few dangers there)

Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 20:50, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> actually, that section is almost done, so i'll send it on to martin
> to post as soon as it it.  no, it doesn't get very deep --
> you'll see what i mean shortly.

	Ok.  I actually trust your judgment.  I'm just keeping my eye on what
the MS admins are asking about at work.

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On 3 Feb 2003, Joe Klemmer wrote:

> 	I wouldn't go to deep into this.  IMO, programming would be beyond
> the scope of this project.  I think it would be best to limit this to
> only programming requirements needed by sysadmin types.  A basic bash
> rundown and an intro to perl (enough to get them to be able to port
> their batch files and such) would be enough.  Then just point to the
> wealth of programming info available on the 'Net and the book stores.
> 
actually, that section is almost done, so i'll send it on to martin
to post as soon as it it.  no, it doesn't get very deep --
you'll see what i mean shortly.

rday

On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 19:13, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> > How about python, as it seems to be the favorite of the Red Hat developpers.
> 
> already there.  keep in mind that i'm not trying to show anyone
> how to *program* in any of these languages, just how to set up
> the infrastructure -- search path, chmod, that sort of thing.

	I'm still inclined to keep this as minimal as possible.  Discussing
anything beyond shell (as related to batch programs) would be excessive.

> so, any other languages?  i figured i'd draw the line at stuff
> like tcl/tk.

	If you're gonna have python you should also include tcl/tk as it's just
about as popular in the wild.  :-)

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On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 18:18, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   sorry i've been so out of touch lately -- lots of projects on the
> go at the moment.
> 
>   at the moment, i'm writing a short chapter on how to start 
> programming on linux -- scripting, setting up java, and so on.
> i'm going to discuss how to start writing code in shell, perl,
> c and c++, ruby and java.
> 
>   any others that should be included here?  without getting
> obscenely obscure, that is.

	I wouldn't go to deep into this.  IMO, programming would be beyond the
scope of this project.  I think it would be best to limit this to only
programming requirements needed by sysadmin types.  A basic bash rundown
and an intro to perl (enough to get them to be able to port their batch
files and such) would be enough.  Then just point to the wealth of
programming info available on the 'Net and the book stores.

	At least this is my opinion (speaking as a programmer and a sysadmin).

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Taylor, ForrestX wrote:

> How about python, as it seems to be the favorite of the Red Hat developpers.

already there.  keep in mind that i'm not trying to show anyone
how to *program* in any of these languages, just how to set up
the infrastructure -- search path, chmod, that sort of thing.

so, any other languages?  i figured i'd draw the line at stuff
like tcl/tk.

rday

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