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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-23 19:23:03
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it's not clear how many people on this mailing list are just lurking, and how many want to actually contribute small parts of the LMP. to get things rolling, i can certainly give out a few assignments if anyone wants some direction. certainly, you can offer to write something up that matches your area of expertise, but if you're unsure, i'm more than happy to make suggestions. for example, here's one -- how to install browser plug-ins. this is an ongoing point of contention, when people new to linux learn that they actually have to work at getting their browser to deal with plug-ins. anyone want to write up, point by point, how to do that? you don't need to docbook format it -- just the facts, and one of us admins will take it from there. anyway, you get the idea. rday |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-20 23:57:38
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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > for those following the slow growth of the web site, the next > chapter was *going* to be the basic file and directory commands > that every new admin should know, but i think i will first have > a short chapter on the bash shell and its features. for people > new to linux, a solid understanding of bash seems the next > essential step. I agree. How to explain mv * if shell globbing is yet unknown? Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Joe K. <kle...@we...> - 2002-11-20 23:43:31
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On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 12:34, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
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> for those following the slow growth of the web site, the next
> chapter was *going* to be the basic file and directory commands
> that every new admin should know, but i think i will first have
> a short chapter on the bash shell and its features. for people
> new to linux, a solid understanding of bash seems the next
> essential step.
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> comments?
I think that might be better. Let me look up some references and see
what kind of order things go in general. Maybe that will help provide a
decent guideline. Couldn't hurt.
--=20
"Khaaaaamaaayyyy, Haaaaamaaaayyyy, HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"
-- Goku, 'Dragon Ball'
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-20 17:35:41
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for those following the slow growth of the web site, the next chapter was *going* to be the basic file and directory commands that every new admin should know, but i think i will first have a short chapter on the bash shell and its features. for people new to linux, a solid understanding of bash seems the next essential step. comments? rday |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-15 22:37:29
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Robert's latest stuff is online: Chapter 2 is complete, and there is an outline for chapter 3. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-15 14:55:49
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laptop issues. (not sure if it's really worth an entire chapter, but you never know.) specifically, dealing with those asinine winmodems that so many laptops come with. if anyone out there is a linmodem expert, there's a topic that could use a well-written HOWTO. rday p.s. yes, i know there's a web site. but i'd like something that would fit the format of the LMP. Robert P. J. Day, RHCE, RHCI Eno River Technologies, Chapel Hill NC Unix, Linux and Open Source corporate training http://www.linux-migration.org |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-15 06:41:20
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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > at this point, i've dumped off to martin the semi-final > version of the "essentials" chapter. It's up now. > p.s. i'm tired. i need a beer. Come over and grab a Kölsch! ;=D Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-14 21:36:34
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at this point, i've dumped off to martin the semi-final version of the "essentials" chapter. barring any typoes or final brilliant ideas, that will be pretty much the end of that chapter. once you get a look at it, if you can think of anything else that should be part of that chapter, let me know. the plan for the next chapter is "The file and directory structure", which will cover the general layout of the major files and directories, *really* basic fdisk and filesystems (filesystems will correspond to an entire chapter later), permissions, the "find" command, symbolic links, etc. you know, stuff related to basic file and directory manipulation. :-) rday p.s. i'm tired. i need a beer. Robert P. J. Day, RHCE, RHCI Eno River Technologies, Chapel Hill NC Unix, Linux and Open Source corporate training http://www.linux-migration.org |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-14 19:38:12
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Joe Klemmer wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:20, Martin Stricker wrote: > > > Anyway, one comment about the new stuff: > > http://www.linux-migration.org/ch02s09.html > > ps -ef is the System V way of ps, like it's used by Red Hat Linux. > > Some Linux Distributions like S.u.S.E. use the BSD style ps, which > > would use ps auxw. Maybe this should be noted. > > ps ax is more common for Linux, really. ps -ef is more > Solaris. Well, here comes the funny part: While Linux is mostly System V style, some tools behave more like BSD because they could be taken from FreeBSD when Linux started. And Solaris clearly is BSD style, but the ps acts like System V - a remnant of Interactive Unix which was bought by Sun in 1991 because they had lots of problems (and no decent filesystem) with their SunOS. BTW I happen to run one of the last Interactive servers around, built in 1993 I think. Oh, and Interactive Unix was for a very short period of time owned by Microsoft. Now you know why there is a C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts, networks and lmhosts file... Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Moeh for Kanzler! ;-) http://www.yes-moeh.de/index/ Webmaster-Forum: http://www.masterportal24.com/cgi-bin/yindex.cgi Star Trek Rollenspiel: http://www.uss-republic.de/ Deutscher Science Fiction Preis http://www.dsfp.de/ verliehen vom Science Fiction Club Deutschland e. V.: http://www.sfcd-online.de/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Joe K. <kle...@we...> - 2002-11-14 02:27:03
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On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:20, Martin Stricker wrote: > Anyway, one comment about the new stuff: > http://www.linux-migration.org/ch02s09.html > ps -ef is the System V way of ps, like it's used by Red Hat Linux. > Some Linux Distributions like S.u.S.E. use the BSD style ps, which > would use ps auxw. Maybe this should be noted. ps ax is more common for Linux, really. ps -ef is more Solaris. --=20 "Khaaaaamaaayyyy, Haaaaamaaaayyyy, HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!" -- Goku, Dragon Ball |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-14 01:33:29
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > Roberts newest stuff is up. He added really nice tables of content in > each section. > > I *think* I found the problem. I had to upload the changed files > manually, and I forgot the TOC - because I just clicked through all the > pages, using next. > > Anyway, one comment about the new stuff: > http://www.linux-migration.org/ch02s09.html > ps -ef is the System V way of ps, like it's used by Red Hat Linux. > Some Linux Distributions like S.u.S.E. use the BSD style ps, which > would use ps auxw. Maybe this should be noted. > > Maybe tell them about man commandname very early in the Essentials > section? ah, good point. i'll change the "ps" page to cover the berkeley variant, and i'll leave that as a good example for when i cover "man" toward the end of that chapter. it might seem tempting to cover "man" early in the essentials chapter, but i'm leaving that until near the end, for reasons that will become obvious once i write it. trust me. :-) rday p.s. from what i've seen, the linux "ps" command supports both sets of options, anyway -- sysv and berkeley -- depending on whether or not you use a hyphen or not. |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-14 01:30:00
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > i think martin is MIA, so we'll just have to wait until he > > surfaces. > > I guess I was, but I'd like to know what I was... MIA? missing in action. :-) rday |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-14 01:20:46
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Roberts newest stuff is up. He added really nice tables of content in each section. I *think* I found the problem. I had to upload the changed files manually, and I forgot the TOC - because I just clicked through all the pages, using next. Anyway, one comment about the new stuff: http://www.linux-migration.org/ch02s09.html ps -ef is the System V way of ps, like it's used by Red Hat Linux. Some Linux Distributions like S.u.S.E. use the BSD style ps, which would use ps auxw. Maybe this should be noted. Maybe tell them about man commandname very early in the Essentials section? Best regards and good night, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-14 01:11:17
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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > i think martin is MIA, so we'll just have to wait until he > surfaces. I guess I was, but I'd like to know what I was... MIA? Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-14 01:11:15
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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > ah, it all becomes clear to me now. i didn't make it clear to > martin that he should, for the time being, upload *all* new > HTML pages, since i still tweak some of the earlier pages > while writing the later ones. Actually, I did upload everything. But for a reason I still don't get, the FTP program considered the older files on the server as being newer than the new ones on my computer, so it didn't upload them. After Robert complained, I forcibly uploaded by hand the "virtual consoles" file, so the new stuff was accessible. I didn't notice the TOC on the index.html because it's not initially visible at 1024x768, and I was in a real hurry (as usual) and tired (alo usual at 2 AM...). Sorry, won't happen again! Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-13 21:26:17
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not sure if martin will beat me to the punch, but there's plenty more content on the web site. and whenever any of you are ready to write something up -- a specific topic -- let one of us know. rday Robert P. J. Day, RHCE, RHCI Eno River Technologies, Chapel Hill NC Unix, Linux and Open Source corporate training http://www.linux-migration.org |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-13 19:42:33
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Joe Klemmer wrote: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > > > > Please look at it, any comments are quite welcome! > > > > I have one comment myself: The Index page (the last one in the row) > > http://www.linux-migration.org/ix01.html is rather empty... > > > > Robert, *really* good work! Thank you very much! > > The index is a bit thin. The actual pages for the info after the > virtual console are there, just not in the TOC. the index has been completely removed in the newer stuff. until i get around to tagging index entries, there's no point in it being there. rday |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-13 19:40:23
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Joe Klemmer wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > so far, i see only a few sections up to the section "Using the virtual > > consoles". there should be more once the new stuff is uploaded. is > > anyone seeing anything more than that? is it just me? > > I only see up to that, too. i think martin is MIA, so we'll just have to wait until he surfaces. rday |
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From: Joe K. <kle...@we...> - 2002-11-13 19:38:44
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > > Please look at it, any comments are quite welcome! > > I have one comment myself: The Index page (the last one in the row) > http://www.linux-migration.org/ix01.html is rather empty... > > Robert, *really* good work! Thank you very much! The index is a bit thin. The actual pages for the info after the virtual console are there, just not in the TOC. -- "Khaaaaamaaayyyy, Haaaaamaaaayyyy, HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!" -- Goku, Dragon Ball |
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From: Joe K. <kle...@we...> - 2002-11-13 19:37:29
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > so far, i see only a few sections up to the section "Using the virtual > consoles". there should be more once the new stuff is uploaded. is > anyone seeing anything more than that? is it just me? I only see up to that, too. -- "Khaaaaamaaayyyy, Haaaaamaaaayyyy, HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!" -- Goku, Dragon Ball |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-13 10:37:20
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Brett Russ wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > so far, i see only a few sections up to the section > > "Using the virtual consoles". there should be more once > > the new stuff is uploaded. is anyone seeing anything more > > than that? is it just me? > > The new content is accessible by going to the "virtual consoles" section > and navigating from there. It is just missing from the TOC. > > Very nice stuff so far! ah, it all becomes clear to me now. i didn't make it clear to martin that he should, for the time being, upload *all* new HTML pages, since i still tweak some of the earlier pages while writing the later ones. rday |
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From: Brett R. <ic...@ch...> - 2002-11-13 05:02:32
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Robert P. J. Day wrote: > so far, i see only a few sections up to the section > "Using the virtual consoles". there should be more once > the new stuff is uploaded. is anyone seeing anything more > than that? is it just me? The new content is accessible by going to the "virtual consoles" section and navigating from there. It is just missing from the TOC. Very nice stuff so far! BR |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-13 01:29:53
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"Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > > > Many thanks to Robert, who just sent me a whole bunch of new > > content for the website. I just upped it. Please look at it, any > > comments are quite welcome! > > i just sent martin a note -- the new stuff is not there yet, so give > it a few minutes. Argh! Sorry! For unknown reason the virtual console file wasn't replaced, and I didn't notice! It definitely is time for bed now... Now it *is* up, I just checked. Sorry for the delay! Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
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From: Robert P. J. D. <rp...@mi...> - 2002-11-13 01:25:26
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Martin Stricker wrote: > Martin Stricker wrote: > > > Please look at it, any comments are quite welcome! > > I have one comment myself: The Index page (the last one in the row) > http://www.linux-migration.org/ix01.html is rather empty... that's because i haven't started tagging any index entries yet. :-) > Robert, *really* good work! Thank you very much! but i'm still not seeing the new stuff on the web page. did you upload it yet? enquiring minds want to know. rday |
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From: Martin S. <sh...@gm...> - 2002-11-13 00:52:16
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Martin Stricker wrote: > Please look at it, any comments are quite welcome! I have one comment myself: The Index page (the last one in the row) http://www.linux-migration.org/ix01.html is rather empty... Robert, *really* good work! Thank you very much! Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 7.3 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ |
