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From: Andreas <sup...@gm...> - 2004-04-17 18:44:50
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Hello all, for quite a while now I try to boot APUS on my Amiga. It is an A4000T wit= h=20 CSPPC, CV64-3D, Ariadne2 and Algor. I use the current kernel and ramdisk=20 images from the APUS website. Currently this fails due to some strange error where I can only suspect t= hat=20 is is caused by the ramdisk. The kernel starts im most cases and also reports my SCSI devices attatche= d to=20 the UW controller of CSPPC correctly. All seems ok until it prints this: =2E.. Freeing initrd memory: 851k feed cramfs: wrong magic FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 kernel BUG at buffer.c:2518! Oops: Exeption in kernel mode, sig: 4 =2E.. =2E.. (0)Reboot in 180 seconds.. This is always the same. I start APUS with this line: bootstrap --apus -k vmlinuz-2.4.20-apus -r ramdisk.image.gz root=3D/dev/r= am=20 video=3Dvirge:off video=3Damifb:vga nobats Let me know, if more details are required. Does anyone know what can help= ? Bye, Andreas |
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From: Sven L. <sve...@wa...> - 2004-03-22 21:49:32
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 08:33:59PM +0000, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: > Hello Sven, > > Thanks! I will give it a try - might be a few days (weeks?) though as I'm also > studying in the evenings and my spare time is currently almost nil. > Thanks again. No problem, just keep in mind that the sarge release will not be delayed forever, and that i would really like that at least one person confirm this kernel as working before sarge is released. Friendly, Sven Luther |
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From: Kulwant B. <kul...@bt...> - 2004-03-22 20:33:41
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Hello Sven, Thanks! I will give it a try - might be a few days (weeks?) though as I'm also studying in the evenings and my spare time is currently almost nil. Thanks again. Kind regards, Kulwant -----Original Message----- From: Sven Luther [mailto:sve...@wa...] Sent: 22/03/2004 15:45:13 To: Subject: Re: Debian, apus and recent security issues ... > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:57:56AM +0000, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: >> Hello Sven, >> >> I would use the APUS Debian kernel if I could get it working. The only >> way I can get a successful boot of the installation is if I disable all >> the hwclock stuff. The history of how I arrived at that is on the Linux >> Apus Mailing list. > Hello, > I have made a new upload of the debian 2.4.25 apus kernel, and altough i > havent tested it, well, it mostly uses the same config as was used > previously. It is taken from the apus CVS tree from 4 days ago. > Could you perhaps check it, and if it works, fine, but if it doesn't > work, could you compare the config file included with it with the config > file you use, and could we work together to solve this ? > BTW, i also upgraded the ASFS driver to 1.0beta2, which contains the > experimental write support. > Friendly, > Sven Luther > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Linux-APUS-user mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-apus-user > |
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From: Sven L. <sve...@wa...> - 2004-03-22 15:45:23
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:57:56AM +0000, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: > Hello Sven, > > I would use the APUS Debian kernel if I could get it working. The only way I > can get a successful boot of the installation is if I disable all the hwclock > stuff. The history of how I arrived at that is on the Linux Apus Mailing list. Hello, I have made a new upload of the debian 2.4.25 apus kernel, and altough i havent tested it, well, it mostly uses the same config as was used previously. It is taken from the apus CVS tree from 4 days ago. Could you perhaps check it, and if it works, fine, but if it doesn't work, could you compare the config file included with it with the config file you use, and could we work together to solve this ? BTW, i also upgraded the ASFS driver to 1.0beta2, which contains the experimental write support. Friendly, Sven Luther |
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From: Sven L. <sve...@wa...> - 2004-03-16 16:29:19
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Hello, I am faced with the task to build a 2.2.10 apus kernel in debian/sid, which has gcc 3. This kernel fails to build with gcc 3 (since it was last updated in 2001 or something such). Building with gcc 2.95 fixed this, but i get : ld: Warning: alignment 1 of symbol `empty_zero_page' in arch/ppc/kernel/head.o is smaller than 4 in arch/ppc/kernel/kernel.o arch/ppc/kernel/head.o(.text+0x0): In function `_start': : relocation truncated to fit: R_PPC_ADDR32 __start+40000000 make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 Which seems to be a problem with the binutils, not sure though. So, my question is threefold : 1) is there any newer 2.2.x kernel for apus (2.2.20 would be nice) ? 2) is there a known solution to the above problem ? 3) does it make sense to keep 2.2.x apus kernels for the sarge release ? I somewhat think that the easiest way would be to forget about 2.2.x kernels for the debian/sarge release, knowing that the 2.2.10 kernel will still be available in debian/woody, and this debian/woody kernel would work out fine on a debian/sarge or debian/sid system too. So, i would like feedback from the apus users and devels on this issues, before asking that the 2.2.10 apus kernel be dropped from debian/sarge (and also, if i don't get feedback, i will ask for its removal). Friendly, Sven Luther |
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From: Sven L. <sve...@wa...> - 2004-02-26 21:19:31
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:31:28AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Hello, > > As you may already know, there has been a security issue discovered, > which was fixed for debian/woody in : > > http://www.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-440 > > for the 2.4.17 kernels. > > That said, the 2.4.20 kernel used in the testing/unstable -apus kernels > was not fixed, and has furthermore been mostly ignored since june 2003 > or so, security wise. I think the debian security team thought that > those were already built from the powerpc kernels, and didn't need a > apus specific package, thus never adviced Michel. Backporting 6 month of > fixes to 2.4.20 would be lot of work, work most probably more > meaningful to spend integrating the apus patches into the powerpc > package, or forward port them to 2.4.24 or 2.4.25. > > Ok, what i really want to know if there is an idea of how many people > still use apus, and of those, how many use the debian kernels, and from > those, which distribution and which kernel do you use. > > Geert, is the linux-m68k/linux-apus counting web page still active ? > > Furthermore, i don't have apus hardware anymore, so i would welcome > someone who would like to test those kernels for me, once i build them. > Simon, maybe you could do that ? Which kernels do you use ? Mmm, i wonder what is the latest 2.2 kernel to run apus ? Debian 2.2 apus kernel in woody is 2.2.10 only, while other powerpc is 2.2.20. Were the apus patches ported to later 2.2 kernels or were there problems with them ? Also, do someone of you still per chance has kernel-source-2.2.10 around ? Friendly, Sven Luther |
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From: Storm66 <st...@cl...> - 2004-02-22 18:52:39
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Hello, After a disk crash, I have to re-install all my Apus system and the installer didn't work. I try with the original files (potato) and I can't install even through the network (woody). All went OK, the image is loaded, the drivers are loaded through the network and : Unable to mount the Rescue Floppy..... Please try again and a choice box with /dev/fd0 and /dev/fd1 No luck The installer starts, all went OK : keyboard, swap, linux partition , mounting the root filesystem, and then when the installer try to mount the Rescue Floppy : "You have insterted the wrong floppy try again" (install from file system) With the woody install I can't even load the kernel with the message : Uncompressing kernel iimage ........................... Compressed image is too large! Aborting No ppc_bootup ... I had installed it two years ago without so many problems. Regards -- Storm66 <st...@cl...> N/A |
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From: Kulwant B. <kb...@bl...> - 2004-02-19 12:02:53
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Hello Sven, I would use the APUS Debian kernel if I could get it working. The only way I can get a successful boot of the installation is if I disable all the hwclock stuff. The history of how I arrived at that is on the Linux Apus Mailing list. Kind regards, Kulwant -----Original Message----- From: Geert Uytterhoeven [mailto:ge...@li...] Sent: 19/02/2004 10:13:07 To: Subject: Re: Debian, apus and recent security issues ... > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Sven Luther wrote: >> Ok, what i really want to know if there is an idea of how many people >> still use apus, and of those, how many use the debian kernels, and from >> those, which distribution and which kernel do you use. >> >> Geert, is the linux-m68k/linux-apus counting web page still active ? > Where's the one for APUS? The one for m68k was last updated in 2000 > (sic): http://www.linux-m68k.org/Registry/Registration.html >> Furthermore, i don't have apus hardware anymore, so i would welcome >> someone who would like to test those kernels for me, once i build them. >> Simon, maybe you could do that ? Which kernels do you use ? > I never had APUS hardware ;-) > Gr{oetje,eeting}s, > Geert > -- > Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- > ge...@li... > In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. > But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something > like that. -- Linus Torvalds > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. > Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with > a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Linux-APUS-user mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-apus-user > |
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From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2004-02-19 10:18:35
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Sven Luther wrote: > Ok, what i really want to know if there is an idea of how many people > still use apus, and of those, how many use the debian kernels, and from > those, which distribution and which kernel do you use. > > Geert, is the linux-m68k/linux-apus counting web page still active ? Where's the one for APUS? The one for m68k was last updated in 2000 (sic): http://www.linux-m68k.org/Registry/Registration.html > Furthermore, i don't have apus hardware anymore, so i would welcome > someone who would like to test those kernels for me, once i build them. > Simon, maybe you could do that ? Which kernels do you use ? I never had APUS hardware ;-) Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li... In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds |
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From: Sven L. <sve...@wa...> - 2004-02-19 08:37:22
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Hello, As you may already know, there has been a security issue discovered, which was fixed for debian/woody in : http://www.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-440 for the 2.4.17 kernels. That said, the 2.4.20 kernel used in the testing/unstable -apus kernels was not fixed, and has furthermore been mostly ignored since june 2003 or so, security wise. I think the debian security team thought that those were already built from the powerpc kernels, and didn't need a apus specific package, thus never adviced Michel. Backporting 6 month of fixes to 2.4.20 would be lot of work, work most probably more meaningful to spend integrating the apus patches into the powerpc package, or forward port them to 2.4.24 or 2.4.25. Ok, what i really want to know if there is an idea of how many people still use apus, and of those, how many use the debian kernels, and from those, which distribution and which kernel do you use. Geert, is the linux-m68k/linux-apus counting web page still active ? Furthermore, i don't have apus hardware anymore, so i would welcome someone who would like to test those kernels for me, once i build them. Simon, maybe you could do that ? Which kernels do you use ? Friendly, Sven Luther |
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From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2004-02-11 09:36:34
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, [iso-8859-1] Ren=E9 Thol wrote:
> This time I managed to get some log files see attached.
| tux$ file logfiles.lzx
| logfiles.lzx: MS-DOS executable (built-in)
| tux$
What program should I use to decompress it? I tried gzip, zip, and lha.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m6=
8k.org
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. =
But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like=
that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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From: T. <Ren...@gm...> - 2004-02-11 03:02:44
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Hello again, meanwhile I tried above mentioned kernel 'cause it should be able to use UW-SCSI too. But I'm experiencing the same problems! This time I managed to get some log files see attached. Can please somebody tell me how to get X11 working again (worked fine wit= h the other 2.4.18 release, think it was -1?!)? Also: Which devices are the UW-SCSI ones? Trying to mount sda1,..., sdb1,= =2E.. did not work at all! Many thanks and kind regards -- = Ren=E9 Thol Mail: Ren...@gm...= |
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From: T. <Ren...@gm...> - 2004-02-10 18:01:07
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Hello everybody, I've got a running SuSE7.1 installation on my A4000PPC. I use kernel2.4.= 18 and everything goes fine (besides UW-support that is not implemented with= in this version, is it?). Well but I need UW-SCSI support, because all my none-Linu partitions and= all other HDs and CDROMs/CDRW is connected to this bus and I need the med= ia for data exchange! Now I downloaded 2.4.20 binaries, copied everything on it's place (also a= ll modules) and booted linux. First of all I got so much output during bootup and HD recognition that I= cannot tell you whatwent wrong (and because of not having any other partition writable under Linu I cannot copy log files). The second point is that the bootup hangs on setting up the CMOS clock (2.4.18 does not) but after pressing control-C it continues. After all the X-server won't start (runs fine using 2.4.18). It claims a = lot of symbols are missing and catches a signal 11 and therefore breaks. Can please anybody tell my why the system does not work (almost at all) w= hen using kernel 2.4.20 than 2.4.18? Is there a newer kernel version that can be used safely and supports UW-SCSI? What shall I do in order to get things working? Many thanks in advance Kind regards -- = Ren=E9 Thol Mail: Ren...@gm...= |
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From: Linux-Mailing-Lists <Ren...@gm...> - 2004-02-08 09:50:00
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Hello everybody, I do not know if this was asked already but I recently installed kernel 2.4.20 and all it's modules on my working SuSE7.1PPC edition (using kerne= l 2.4.18 so far and everything was working fine, including X11). But now I cannot get X11 working again. When I try to start it, it breaks= with error reports telling me that some modules for X11 could not be foun= d (they are not oin /lib/modules/... and X11 is looking for them in another= directory, I can send this dir if necessary). Can somebody tell me where I can find these modules? Many thanks in advance Kind regards -- = Ren=E9 Thol Mail: Ren...@gm...= |
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From: Andreas <aw...@sw...> - 2004-01-13 18:31:38
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Hi Kulwant On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 23:41, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: > Hi Andi, all, > > >> I will put the clock stuff back to how it was originally and collect > >> some debug output to post here. Watch this space. > > > Cool! Please do so!! Or at least try to look up the symbols in the > > System.map as Geert mentioned in another mail (I think there's a > > System.map delivered with the kernel lha for the amigaOS side). > > OK. Attached is the DMESG and BOOTMESG captured output. Hmm, could you maybe resend it as text/plain (explicitely set the type in yam since it doesn't recognise the .log suffix and assumes octet-stream as type) > errr, could you expand on the symbols thing a little? They would be found in the System.map-2.4.x-apus file IIRC.. > What exactly am I > looking for The numbers you've posted here earlier from the kernel panic. > and what do I do with it once I've found it? Look up the corresponding names to the numbers, then post it here. > I've got a sysmap.gz file where I decompressed the downloaded files and I > tried a untgz (is that the right thing to do?) on it and got the following: > > 9.System-S:Linux-Apus/boot2> untgz sysmap.gz ram: > Extracting archive "sysmap.gz" to "ram:": > extracting c0009290 T _get_PVR > c0009298 T _set_L2CR > c00092b0 t thisIs750 > c00092d0 t disableCache > c00092f4 t loadLoop > c0009310 t flushLoop > c000932c t dontDisableCache > c0009350 t invalCompleteLoop > c000936c t noInval > c0009374 t enableCache > c0009384 T _get_L2CR > c00093a0, size 0 bytes: FAILED, unable to open file (210) Because there is nothing to extract. The text you see above (c00... t ...) is what is contained in the System.map file. untgz seems to think these would be seperate files inside the archive, which is plain wrong. But there must be a plain text System.map somewhere when you unpack the lha archive on the amiga side. IIRC it's in the boot directory created by the archive. PS: Michel suggested to ask you if you've got any expansion cards sitting on the clock port, since these may interfere with the clock port driver somehow to the point of a kernel panic. Try to remove everything from the clock port (except the clock itself), and try to boot. -- Best wishes, Andi |
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From: Daniel I. R. <ir...@ip...> - 2003-12-31 19:47:28
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Hello Alan M.B.
> ah, the classic 'unresolved symbols' error. I'd do a mailing list search
> for this one I cant recall from top of head the solution here... you're
> already using an example, working, config from the APUS site, so all the
> arguments and settings should be fine, i think its an issue with certain
> XFree86 releases.
> what happens if you cook your own config and use it? eg
> (as root)
> XFree86 -configure
> XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config
Nothing... :-(
Well, the app generates the config file but testing it causes the
monitor to go into "no signal" mode....
>> Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-powerpc-smp ppc [ELF]
> ^^^^^^^
> see, this version of X was built on SMP platform.... ours isnt.
I installed X from the Woody 3.0 Debian CDs.... should I get the
correct version from another place?
>> (EE) No OS PCI support available
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and this doesnt help either.... whys the PCI not being detected?
I have no clue!
> your pm2fb should attach to PCI:0:1 or somesuch
> hmm, what does adding 'NoInt10' into the driver section of the Config do?
Same problem... :-(
Geez, I really want to get Debian working but X does not allow me to...
Besides, the installtation sometimes freezes at "using the hardware
clock as reference" with the latest kernel (kernel 2.4.13 from 011030 boot
fines everytime). I use this boot line:
bootstrap --apus -k vmapus root=/dev/hda6 video=pm2fb:mode:800x600-60
debug=mem nobats 60nsram console=tty0
Could anyone help pme please????
Thanks!!
Daniel
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From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2003-12-24 11:24:11
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Kulwant Bhogal wrote:
> >> I will put the clock stuff back to how it was originally and collect
> >> some debug output to post here. Watch this space.
>
> > Cool! Please do so!! Or at least try to look up the symbols in the
> > System.map as Geert mentioned in another mail (I think there's a
> > System.map delivered with the kernel lha for the amigaOS side).
>
> OK. Attached is the DMESG and BOOTMESG captured output.
>
> errr, could you expand on the symbols thing a little? What exactly am I
> looking for and what do I do with it once I've found it?
>
> I've got a sysmap.gz file where I decompressed the downloaded files and I
> tried a untgz (is that the right thing to do?) on it and got the following:
>
> 9.System-S:Linux-Apus/boot2> untgz sysmap.gz ram:
> Extracting archive "sysmap.gz" to "ram:":
> extracting c0009290 T _get_PVR
> c0009298 T _set_L2CR
> c00092b0 t thisIs750
> c00092d0 t disableCache
> c00092f4 t loadLoop
> c0009310 t flushLoop
> c000932c t dontDisableCache
> c0009350 t invalCompleteLoop
> c000936c t noInval
> c0009374 t enableCache
> c0009384 T _get_L2CR
> c00093a0, size 0 bytes: FAILED, unable to open file (210)
No, you need plain gunzip.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li...
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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From: Kulwant B. <kul...@bt...> - 2003-12-23 21:55:47
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Hello Geert, >> All I need now is to know where to obtain and how to install some of >> this stuff. Any useful URLs? Is there a port of Konqueror for Linux >> APUS? > Sure! If you use Debian, `apt-get install konqueror'. Amazing! Sounds so simple!!! Are there any prerequisites? Kind regards, Kulwant |
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From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2003-12-23 21:31:38
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Kulwant Bhogal wrote:
> > You can install all of them at the same time. Which one you use can be
> > chosen at login time.
>
> > You can run KDE-applications under GNOME and vice versa.
>
> All I need now is to know where to obtain and how to install some of this
> stuff. Any useful URLs? Is there a port of Konqueror for Linux APUS?
Sure! If you use Debian, `apt-get install konqueror'.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li...
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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From: Kulwant B. <kul...@bt...> - 2003-12-23 20:59:39
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Hello Geert, Thanks for your reply. > You can install all of them at the same time. Which one you use can be > chosen at login time. > You can run KDE-applications under GNOME and vice versa. All I need now is to know where to obtain and how to install some of this stuff. Any useful URLs? Is there a port of Konqueror for Linux APUS? Kind regards, Kulwant |
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From: Geert U. <ge...@li...> - 2003-12-23 19:57:03
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Kulwant Bhogal wrote:
> > GNOME is a desktop manager, as is KDE, twm, fvwm, ICE, XFCE, Nextstep etc
> > they all sit ontop of X and do tha fancy stuff - window management,
> > borders, skins, themes, preferences etc
>
> I guess appearance is down to personal taste, but are there any differences
> to do with functionality or stability I should be aware of before I choose
> one? Is it possible to install more than one or would that necessitate a
> different Linux boot partition for each desktop manager?
You can install all of them at the same time. Which one you use can be chosen
at login time.
> Does any one of them have more application support than the other or are
> they all internally compatible (I'm thinking a Reaction and MUI type thing
> here if that analogy applies)?
You can run KDE-applications under GNOME and vice versa.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@li...
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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From: Kulwant B. <kul...@bt...> - 2003-12-23 18:50:27
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Hello Alan, Thanks for your reply. > xfree86 is the driver system and XWindow main code > GNOME is a desktop manager, as is KDE, twm, fvwm, ICE, XFCE, Nextstep etc > they all sit ontop of X and do tha fancy stuff - window management, > borders, skins, themes, preferences etc I guess appearance is down to personal taste, but are there any differences to do with functionality or stability I should be aware of before I choose one? Is it possible to install more than one or would that necessitate a different Linux boot partition for each desktop manager? Does any one of them have more application support than the other or are they all internally compatible (I'm thinking a Reaction and MUI type thing here if that analogy applies)? Kind Regards, Kulwant |
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From: Kulwant B. <kul...@bt...> - 2003-12-22 19:52:08
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Hello Andi, > You maybe want to leave out tasksel and dselect completely, since I > don't like them (and you may not like them too). I usually just skip > them and install a usable system myself using apt-get install, since > this lets you choose the packages you really want, and you don't get > lots of (not needed) stuff installed like when using tasksel. The > downside, of course, is that you have to know which packages you have to > install to get a running system.. ;) <split> > If you'd like, I could send a > comprehensive list of packages to install if you want to have things > like xfree86 and gnome running. Yes please. As a side question what is the difference between xfree86 and gnome? A quick search on yahoo yields enough to tell me one is a gui system and another builds a desktop, but do I need both? >> I will put the clock stuff back to how it was originally and collect >> some debug output to post here. Watch this space. > Cool! Please do so!! Haven't had the chance to do this yet. > Hmmm, this is not normal! What type of filesystem did you choose for the > linux partition(s)? I'd take ext3 anyway. Yes I am using ext3. Kind regards, Kulwant |
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From: Andreas <aw...@sw...> - 2003-12-18 22:04:45
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Hi Kulwant On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 18:44, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: > > Hmm, what do you mean with "doesn't successfully install the kernel"? > > You mean during the install process? > > Yes. Look around on the PowerPC Port page under the 'Installation' Section on www.debian.org. There should be a txt file somewhere discribing what you should do and what you shouldn't do during the installation process. IIRC it tells one to leave out the 'install kernel' step, and AFAIR you can leave out the 'install the modules' step too. > No, I can run the installer, choose language, keyboard, mount and unmount > partitions, activate root and swap partitions, run a shell, reboot the > system, restart the installation program, install the base system using a > basedebs.tar file (although I don't yet fully understand what that does for > me), Huh, you are using a basedebs.tar file? Where did you get that from? If your ethernet card works, I would suggest a complete network installation, except you've got an iso where you could do a complete cd installation. Maybe the basedebs is the source for the dependencies issues you mentioned somewhere. > configure the network (using the PCMCIA ethernet card) all by choosing > options from the Installation program. The only bit that doesn't work from > there is the install the kernel bit, but I now understand that that is not > important and that the kernel is actually loaded from the AmigaOS side so no > problem there. Yeah, just skip this and the modules step. -- Best wishes, Andi |
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From: Andreas <aw...@sw...> - 2003-12-17 23:47:06
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Hi Kulwant On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 00:30, Kulwant Bhogal wrote: > Hello Andi, > > > Just Ctrl-Alt-F2 and there should be a shell IIRC. > > I will try this. Although I think my biggest problem whilst configuring the > base system was knowing what I wanted and what I didn't!! Not sure how to > figure that out yet. In theory I would like to leave as much installed as > possible and know what to install to get some sort of gui and maybe some > apps like a browser etc installed - but I may be trying to run before I can > crawl here...... You maybe want to leave out tasksel and dselect completely, since I don't like them (and you may not like them too). I usually just skip them and install a usable system myself using apt-get install, since this lets you choose the packages you really want, and you don't get lots of (not needed) stuff installed like when using tasksel. The downside, of course, is that you have to know which packages you have to install to get a running system.. ;) If you'd like, I could send a comprehensive list of packages to install if you want to have things like xfree86 and gnome running. > not forgetting that the clock problem isn't really resolved > yet (I'm reminding myself). Yeah, but this mainly seems to be the only obstacle right now. > I remember getting some dependency conflicts and not being able to resolve > them. Maybe I will post details here later after I have had another go. D'oh. What did you try to install and from where? This shouldn't happen on a stable release (i.e. woody ATM). > > This is good news! Also that this clearly isolates the system crashes to > > the hardware clock reads. > > Yes, I am glad that the problem seems to have been totally isolated. Thanks > in no small part to you - nobody had made those suggestions before and this > is the furthest I have ever got with trying to get Linux running on my > machine. You're welcome. The renaming stuff was really a bit of last resort thing, but it helped to isolate the problem. > >> > But this is definitely not how a productive system should be run! So, > >> > try to get the dmesg output anyway and post it. > > I will put the clock stuff back to how it was originally and collect some > debug output to post here. Watch this space. Cool! Please do so!! Or at least try to look up the symbols in the System.map as Geert mentioned in another mail (I think there's a System.map delivered with the kernel lha for the amigaOS side). > > Because you didn't tell it to save the stuff in the memory. Well, I > > guess it was me who forgot to mention it in the last mail anyway.. > > Don't worry, better late than never. And if my brain had retained any of the > stuff I had been reading, I would have noticed that myself. Ok, so I'm relieved! :) > >> The other question is, is there a way > >> of resetting the Linux side which cleanly unmounts my hda2 partition? > > > After the crash? I don't think so. Except if you can get a debug monitor > > running maybe, but this is over my head ATM. > > No, I meant before a crash. For example when running the installation > program, if I chose "reboot the system" then when starting Linux again it > would run a check on hda2 everytime because it would complain that the > partition had not been cleanly unmounted. I am sure I even "unmounted" hda2 > and still the revalidate ran afterwards - I will recheck that but I'm sure > that's what happened. Hmmm, this is not normal! What type of filesystem did you choose for the linux partition(s)? I'd take ext3 anyway. I don't think this has something to do with the clock problem (though it may) since I once booted with the clock reset to 1978 (say hello to my clock battery..) and it did only complain about some module/kernel date mismatch. > Thank you for all your help so far - I really appreciate it. As I said, you're welcome. Always nice if I can help!! :) -- Best wishes, Andi |
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