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Re: [ jEdit-devel ] right to left language support in jEdit
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From: Jarek C. <jar...@po...> - 2012-03-05 11:36:01
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Sorry for a mistake, "to add you as wiki editor". W dniu 2012-03-05 12:30, Jarek Czekalski pisze: > Hello Paul > > Seems like you've been inactive for longer time. Would you like to > activate and add yourself to our wiki? It would be really nice. First > you have to visit the page, then we'll be able to add you as a > developer. That's the link: > https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jedit/index.php?title=Who_is_who > > Since we have no dev who could even use the new feature, I think it will > be postponed. > > Jarek > > W dniu 2012-03-05 12:08, Paul Libbrecht pisze: >> Jarek, >> >> I agree there's a danger but I think that being unidirectional is probably small danger. >> That'd mean that a properties file in arabic would write the key-name (which is likely to be westernwritten from right to left), similarly for the jsp or php code. I think this is livable, I am not sure. >> >> As Mathieu underlined, it is not clear who would be working on such yet. >> >> paul >> >> >> Le 5 mars 2012 à 07:36, Jarek Czekalski a écrit : >> >>> I don't understand the reason to introduce RTL in jedit. It's a >>> programmer's editor and I doubt if RTL may be used in any computer >>> program. Aren't there better tools for creating documents in RTL >>> languages? Currently we have only 1 voice for RTL support and there is >>> no justification for that in that entry. Why do you want to introduce >>> RTL? In what environment and for what purpose would it be used, an >>> example please. >>> >>> I see 2 reasons for not doint this: >>> 1. Negative impact on current functionality: a slow down, code >>> complication, new bugs being introduced >>> 2. Many bugs to fix in core plugins, which are more important to >>> programmers than this new feature >>> >>> Jarek >>> >>> W dniu 2012-03-04 23:13, Paul Libbrecht pisze: >>>> Allow me to chim in, I fully agree the Unicode Bidi algorithm is >>>> fairly difficult to work with. >>>> I would suggest, if anyone has some cycle, to simply allow a complete >>>> buffer to draw RTL. >>>> In this case it is likely to be short to implement and useful for most >>>> RTL-writing edits. >>>> >>>> paul >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 4 mars 2012 à 20:41, Matthieu Casanova a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> just for information, I did some investigation on RTL text painting, >>>>> and it seems very complex to implement. >>>>> First jEdit is completely unable to paint any arabic or hebrew word >>>>> correctly because it paints the letters in the wrong order. >>>>> >>>>> I found this wiki page, it's in french but there is an easy test to >>>>> understand : >>>>> >>>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Unicode/Test/arabe >>>>> >>>>> It show the correct way to paint this arabic word إجتهاد >>>>> If someone copies that in jEdit he will get the same word but all >>>>> letters in the wrong order. >>>>> I did some fixes in my local trunk and I'm now able to paint this >>>>> kind of text, the problem is that >>>>> if you read from left to right, the letter on the left end is the >>>>> last letter. >>>>> So if you have the caret at the left of the word and press "del" it >>>>> is not the letter next to the caret that is removed but the letter at >>>>> the right end of the word >>>>> you get جتهاد >>>>> I also tried some editors that support Bidi, and it's very strange, >>>>> when being in a LTR portion pressing home will go to the left end of >>>>> the line, and if the caret is in the same line but in a RTL portion >>>>> home will go to the right end. >>>>> However my fix allow to display arabic or hebrew text but probably >>>>> only copying them is acceptable, editing them is a pain. >>>>> And it also works only for one word, if there is a sentence, all >>>>> letters are reversed, but also words, so it requires to change the >>>>> order of tokens to be able to paint them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/3/1 Kazutoshi Satoda<k_s...@f2... >>>>> <mailto:k_s...@f2...>> >>>>> >>>>> Matthieu Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>> there is a suggestion on uservoice to support right to left >>>>> language >>>>> support in jEdit. >>>>> And since you started working a lot on chunks, glyphvectors >>>>> and other >>>>> things related with our textarea, did you had the intention >>>>> to work on that >>>>> too, or do you have any experience with right to left text >>>>> painting ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't have such intention. I have no experience with right to left >>>>> text painting, also editing. >>>>> >>>>> We need at least one expert with enough motivation to implement it. >>>>> "Help Wanted" feature on SF.net<http://SF.net> may help? >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/people/createjob.php?group_id=588 >>>>> >>>>> However, I will be able to support such a new developer to find >>>>> where to >>>>> change, if he/she can break the issue down into smaller and specific >>>>> behavior. >>>>> -- >>>>> k_satoda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >>>>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >>>>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >>>>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/-- >>>>> ----------------------------------------------- >>>>> jEdit Developers' List >>>>> jEd...@li... >>>>> <mailto:jEd...@li...> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-devel >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >>>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >>>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >>>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Try before you buy = See our experts in action! >>> The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers >>> is just $99.99! 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