From: Alan E. <ala...@gm...> - 2009-05-21 22:48:22
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I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit.How do I get the "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other platforms? I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F but the ctrl key still behaves strangely. |
From: Jim B. <jam...@gm...> - 2009-05-21 23:09:16
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The Command (or Apple) key takes the place of the Control key on Mac. There are some keymapping programs out there if you want to switch it. Try searching on macupdate.com or something. On 5/21/09, Alan Ezust <ala...@gm...> wrote: > I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit.How do I get the > "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other platforms? > I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F but the > ctrl key still behaves strangely. > -- James M. Baker ------------------ Computer Nerd ------------------ jam...@gm... |
From: Steve J. <ste...@wi...> - 2009-05-21 23:14:01
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On 21-May-09, at 6:48 PM, Alan Ezust wrote: > I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit. > How do I get the "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other > platforms? > I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F > but the ctrl key still behaves strangely. On the Mac platform, the Command key takes the place of the "ctrl" key. So the Mac JRE ensures that Command-C is copy and Command-V is paste, just as it is in other Mac apps. To change this behaviour, I imagine you'd have to remap all the shortcuts in jEdit. It appears that on a Mac the "ctrl" key has the keycode that would be the "Alt" key on Windows. My advice: if you're going to be using the Mac as your default environment, use the Mac keystrokes. I found it a little strange at first, but it didn't take very long for my fingers to become used to the location of the command key, and that way keystrokes are consistent between apps. Steve Jakob |
From: Alan E. <ala...@gm...> - 2009-05-22 05:31:39
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I don't understand why the "ctrl" key that clearly says "ctrl" on the keyboard doesn't behave that way, and there is another key on the keyboard that says "alt" on it but is not alt. I am never going to "get used" to this stupid keyboard layout, nor do I have any intention of using a mac unless I am forced to. What if i plugged in a "standard" keyboard into the mac? Would it still be just as mixed up? stupid. On 5/21/09, Steve Jakob <ste...@wi...> wrote: > > > On 21-May-09, at 6:48 PM, Alan Ezust wrote: > > I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit. > > How do I get the "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other > > platforms? > > I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F > > but the ctrl key still behaves strangely. > > > On the Mac platform, the Command key takes the place of the "ctrl" > key. So the Mac JRE ensures that Command-C is copy and Command-V is > paste, just as it is in other Mac apps. > > To change this behaviour, I imagine you'd have to remap all the > shortcuts in jEdit. It appears that on a Mac the "ctrl" key has the > keycode that would be the "Alt" key on Windows. > > My advice: if you're going to be using the Mac as your default > environment, use the Mac keystrokes. I found it a little strange at > first, but it didn't take very long for my fingers to become used to > the location of the command key, and that way keystrokes are > consistent between apps. > > > Steve Jakob > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. > Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > |
From: Eric B. <el...@gm...> - 2009-05-22 05:58:58
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Hahaha. Don't go there. :) It actually gets MORE "messed" up. The alt key becomes the command key, and the windows key becomes alt. The biggest difference is that while CTRL is still CTRL on the Mac Keyboard, most of your familiar keyboard shortcuts have changed. CTRL + C is not copy, CMD + C is. CTRL + V, is replaced with CMD +V. The only time (from my experience) CTRL is still the same, is when you're working in the console, where CTRL + C = stop whatever you're doing and give me my command prompt back. I feel your pain Alan, I jump between Windows, Linux at home, and Mac at work. 2009/5/21 Alan Ezust <ala...@gm...> > I don't understand why the "ctrl" key that clearly says "ctrl" on the > keyboard doesn't behave that way, and there is another key on the keyboard > that says "alt" on it but is not alt. > > I am never going to "get used" to this stupid keyboard layout, nor do I > have any intention of using a mac unless I am forced to. > > What if i plugged in a "standard" keyboard into the mac? Would it still be > just as mixed up? > > stupid. > > > > On 5/21/09, Steve Jakob <ste...@wi...> wrote: >> >> >> On 21-May-09, at 6:48 PM, Alan Ezust wrote: >> > I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit. >> > How do I get the "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other >> > platforms? >> > I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F >> > but the ctrl key still behaves strangely. >> >> >> On the Mac platform, the Command key takes the place of the "ctrl" >> key. So the Mac JRE ensures that Command-C is copy and Command-V is >> paste, just as it is in other Mac apps. >> >> To change this behaviour, I imagine you'd have to remap all the >> shortcuts in jEdit. It appears that on a Mac the "ctrl" key has the >> keycode that would be the "Alt" key on Windows. >> >> My advice: if you're going to be using the Mac as your default >> environment, use the Mac keystrokes. I found it a little strange at >> first, but it didn't take very long for my fingers to become used to >> the location of the command key, and that way keystrokes are >> consistent between apps. >> >> >> Steve Jakob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT >> is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. >> Meet >> the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & >> iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian >> Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------- >> jEdit Users' List >> jEd...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. > Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > > -- Learn from the past. Live in the present. Plan for the future. 11101000 http://www.townsfolkdesigns.com/blogs/elberry |
From: clown f. <clo...@gm...> - 2009-05-22 06:04:58
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If it really bothers you, you can remap those keys to whatever you want in the mac's system preferences. In 10.5.* click on Keyboard & Mouse, select the Keyboard tab and click the Modifier Keys... button. Of course this will change things system-wide, so all your mac apps will have this key configuration. Though from the sounds of it, perhaps that will be something you will like. I actually like the mac's layout better as I end up using my thumb more than my pinky and apparently I have waek pinkies. I do feel your pain when making the switch though. Still, it is jEdit, so it still rocks and you will find most of the commands are similar enough that it is far better than trying to learn a completely different editor... -Shawn 2009/5/21 Alan Ezust <ala...@gm...> > I don't understand why the "ctrl" key that clearly says "ctrl" on the > keyboard doesn't behave that way, and there is another key on the keyboard > that says "alt" on it but is not alt. > > I am never going to "get used" to this stupid keyboard layout, nor do I > have any intention of using a mac unless I am forced to. > > What if i plugged in a "standard" keyboard into the mac? Would it still be > just as mixed up? > > stupid. > > > > On 5/21/09, Steve Jakob <ste...@wi...> wrote: >> >> >> On 21-May-09, at 6:48 PM, Alan Ezust wrote: >> > I just tried using mac os/x for my first time with jEdit. >> > How do I get the "ctrl" key to behave the way it does on all other >> > platforms? >> > I tried installing the new osx plugin and switching to the osx L&F >> > but the ctrl key still behaves strangely. >> >> >> On the Mac platform, the Command key takes the place of the "ctrl" >> key. So the Mac JRE ensures that Command-C is copy and Command-V is >> paste, just as it is in other Mac apps. >> >> To change this behaviour, I imagine you'd have to remap all the >> shortcuts in jEdit. It appears that on a Mac the "ctrl" key has the >> keycode that would be the "Alt" key on Windows. >> >> My advice: if you're going to be using the Mac as your default >> environment, use the Mac keystrokes. I found it a little strange at >> first, but it didn't take very long for my fingers to become used to >> the location of the command key, and that way keystrokes are >> consistent between apps. >> >> >> Steve Jakob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT >> is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. >> Meet >> the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & >> iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian >> Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------- >> jEdit Users' List >> jEd...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. > Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > > |
From: Steve J. <ste...@wi...> - 2009-05-22 15:27:03
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On 22-May-09, at 1:30 AM, Alan Ezust wrote: > I don't understand why the "ctrl" key that clearly says "ctrl" on > the keyboard doesn't behave that way, and there is another key on > the keyboard that says "alt" on it but is not alt. > > I am never going to "get used" to this stupid keyboard layout, nor > do I have any intention of using a mac unless I am forced to. > > What if i plugged in a "standard" keyboard into the mac? Would it > still be just as mixed up? I guess I got what I deserved, didn't I? I try to help someone on the list and he's a total jerk in response. > stupid. You want to know what's stupid? Sending an email to the jedit-users list AND to my personal address when I'm already on the list. Is that REALLY so difficult to understand? Steve Jakob |
From: Steve J. <ste...@wi...> - 2009-05-24 17:29:27
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Hello Kazutoshi, On 22-May-09, at 3:02 PM, Kazutoshi Satoda wrote: > But I don't understand why you hate that so much. Do you get a > duplicated mail? During the last year, and more and more frequently, I've been receiving 2 and sometimes 3 copies of list messages as people use "reply all" indiscriminately. In my own correspondence I take time to ensure that a reply goes to the list (rendering it searchable in the archives), and only to the list. I consider this basic mailing list etiquette. To do otherwise would be lazy and inconsiderate. The sender is essentially saying to the recipient(s), "my time is more important than yours". Like any other spam, duplicate messages clog my inbox and require extra time and effort on my part. One might argue that the time required to remove a duplicate message is small, but I would respond that the time it takes to ensure that the message is properly addressed in the first place is equally small. If I remain silent then I tacitly condone the practice. If this practice becomes accepted, though, the effect is cumulative for the recipient, resulting in increasing amounts of wasted time. > While I have received such posts many times on jedit-devel and > jedit-users, the mail is not duplicated. Each reply comes as only one > mail which have my address on its To: and the list address on its CC:. > > I think the ML manager on sourceforge.net has some trick not to send > duplicated mail for subscribers. Do you have any idea why the trick > doesn't for you but works for me? No, I'm not familiar with the particulars of the mailer on SourceForge. I suspect that although this could work for messages sent to both the users and devel lists (though it appears not to work for me at least), this solution would not work for messages addressed to a personal email address as they wouldn't go through SourceForge, but would be routed directly. Steve Jakob |
From: Kazutoshi S. <k_s...@f2...> - 2009-05-25 19:19:58
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Hi Steve, and all who have been annoyed from duplicated mails, Could you please try this on your subscriptions? "How can I avoid getting duplicate messages? (duplicates option)" http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node21.html (from GNU Mailman - List Member Manual) Steve Jakob wrote: > On 22-May-09, at 3:02 PM, Kazutoshi Satoda wrote: >> But I don't understand why you hate that so much. Do you get a >> duplicated mail? > > During the last year, and more and more frequently, I've been > receiving 2 and sometimes 3 copies of list messages as people use > "reply all" indiscriminately. OK. I understood why you hate that. > The sender > is essentially saying to the recipient(s), "my time is more important > than yours". I'm not. I use "Reply All" for a certain reason. I want to use "To:" header as it means; the members which are directed. I don't want to set the list address solely in "To:" when I don't mean to send the message to all the members of the list. I also want others to do that, to allow me to write a simple filter using "To:" header to find mails which are clearly directed for me. Starting "Hello ..." or "Hi ..." is not so reliable enough to write a filter. I hope the "duplicates option", which I put on the top of this message, is the best solution to reduce everyone's time to spent on this issue to O(1) from O(N) where N is the number of posts sent or received. -- k_satoda |
From: Mike M. <ma...@um...> - 2009-05-22 19:35:55
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While we're on the subject of keyboards... About the only thing that annoys me about jEdit is the fact that using the keyboard to pull up a menu option in Windows requires holding the Alt key down while typing the letter. So pulling down the File menu requires holding the Alt key down while typing the F key, instead of typing (and releasing) the Alt key, then typing (and releasing) the F key. This is unlike every other program in Windows, including XMLMind (which is also programmed in Java). That is, for all other Windows programs, the Alt key acts as a toggle. This was true under WindowsXP, and it's true under Vista. Any way this could be fixed? -- Mike Maxwell What good is a universe without somebody around to look at it? --Robert Dicke, Princeton physicist |
From: Alan E. <ala...@gm...> - 2009-05-23 03:18:04
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Steve Jakob <ste...@wi...>wrote: > On 22-May-09, at 1:30 AM, Alan Ezust wrote: > > I don't understand why the "ctrl" key that clearly says "ctrl" on > > the keyboard doesn't behave that way, and there is another key on > > the keyboard that says "alt" on it but is not alt. > > > > I am never going to "get used" to this stupid keyboard layout, nor > > do I have any intention of using a mac unless I am forced to. > > > > What if i plugged in a "standard" keyboard into the mac? Would it > > still be just as mixed up? > > I guess I got what I deserved, didn't I? I try to help someone on the > list and he's a total jerk in response. > I hope you realize, my frustrations are not directed at you. I know you are not "responsible" for the keyboard layout. > > stupid. > > You want to know what's stupid? Sending an email to the jedit-users > list AND to my personal address when I'm already on the list. Is that > REALLY so difficult to understand? > I'm not going to apologize for "reply-to all". Nor am I even going to dignify this with a further response. > > Steve Jakob > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. > Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > |
From: Jocelyn T. <tur...@gm...> - 2009-05-24 05:51:52
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I understood your problem, you could just switch back C to Ctrl and Meta to Command just for jEdit shortcuts like on other platforms by uncommenting this part: KeyEventTranslator.setModifierMapping(InputEvent.CTRL_MASK, InputEvent.ALT_MASK, InputEvent.META_MASK, InputEvent.SHIFT_MASK); in the file: /Applications/jEdit.app/Contents/Resources/Java/startup/startup.bsh This means you have to get used to do Ctrl-C in jEdit while do Cmd-C in other apps, but I was annoyed by all the other shortcuts swapped too and my brain just got used to this instead. jocelyn |
From: Alan E. <ala...@gm...> - 2009-05-24 14:25:38
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It might be nice to have an option to switch this on/off from the Mac OSX plugin, no? 2009/5/23 Jocelyn Turcotte <tur...@gm...> > I understood your problem, you could just switch back C to Ctrl and Meta to > Command just for jEdit shortcuts like on other platforms by uncommenting > this part: > KeyEventTranslator.setModifierMapping(InputEvent.CTRL_MASK, > InputEvent.ALT_MASK, InputEvent.META_MASK, > InputEvent.SHIFT_MASK); > > in the file: > /Applications/jEdit.app/Contents/Resources/Java/startup/startup.bsh > > This means you have to get used to do Ctrl-C in jEdit while do Cmd-C in > other apps, but I was annoyed by all the other shortcuts swapped too and my > brain just got used to this instead. > > jocelyn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. > Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users > > |
From: Dimitri M. <dm...@bm...> - 2009-05-24 18:12:10
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Steve Jakob wrote: > Hello Kazutoshi, > > On 22-May-09, at 3:02 PM, Kazutoshi Satoda wrote: >> But I don't understand why you hate that so much. Do you get a >> duplicated mail? > > During the last year, and more and more frequently, I've been > receiving 2 and sometimes 3 copies of list messages as people use > "reply all" indiscriminately. You could argue it's a bug in most MUAs: as far as I know Kmail is the only one that has "reply to mailing list" option. I think there are Thunderbird plugins to deal with MLs, but by default "reply" replies to sender only, and "reply all" replies to sender with CC to ML. Not that that's an excuse for being an obnoxious jerk instead of taking 10 seconds to delete an extra header or 10 minutes to set up a proper mail reader. >> I think the ML manager on sourceforge.net has some trick not to send >> duplicated mail for subscribers. Do you have any idea why the trick >> doesn't for you but works for me? It only works for messages remailed through MLM. In the above case one of the messages is delivered directly to the recipient, so MLM never sees it -- and thus has no idea there's a duplicate. Back to topic, command + c does copy consistently in all OSX applications and that's how it should be. Anyone who doesn't like it can go get themselves a Dell. Dima |
From: Matthew Z. <mat...@sp...> - 2009-06-01 22:06:54
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On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:08 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk <dm...@bm...> wrote: > Steve Jakob wrote: >> Hello Kazutoshi, >> >> On 22-May-09, at 3:02 PM, Kazutoshi Satoda wrote: >>> But I don't understand why you hate that so much. Do you get a >>> duplicated mail? >> >> During the last year, and more and more frequently, I've been >> receiving 2 and sometimes 3 copies of list messages as people use >> "reply all" indiscriminately. > > You could argue it's a bug in most MUAs: as far as I know Kmail is the > only one that has "reply to mailing list" option. I think there are > Thunderbird plugins to deal with MLs, but by default "reply" replies to > sender only, and "reply all" replies to sender with CC to ML. Spamcop's (www.spamcop.net) webmail client also has a "reply to list" feature. It uses Horde's Imp H3 webmail. As far as I know, it is the only web MUA that properly deals with reply to list. It is open source of course |