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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] General Thoughts and Web Review

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 9 May 2008 at 18:11, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> I'm an electrical engineer.  This is my profession.  I write C++ and use 
> wxWidgets at my place of employment.

I'm also an electrical engineer.  I design analog integrated circuits 
(chips) for my day job.

> When I was a kid, I took drum lessons and had some excellent 
> instructors.  I did well in school, so I pursued engineering instead of 
> music.  Drumming is now my hobby.

I took 6 months of lessons after I'd been playing drums for about
15 years already.  I'm up to 29 years now.  Drumming is a hobby
for me too.  I play live, virtually, and do some recording.


The webpage of the Linux-only virtual band is here:

http://packet-in.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

We wrote and recorded a CD in February this year.  All songs are 
creative commons licensed.  You can here them at the site.


You can find some of my recorded work with Kevin Ferguson here:

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/kevinferguson3-01.m3u
http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/kevinferguson3-09.m3u
http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/kevinferguson3-15.m3u

Those are the only 3 of his tunes on which you'll find my drum tracks.

All of my drums on both projects were recorded with Ardour.

> I am fortunate enough to own a Roland TD-20 electronic drum kit 

I used to play a pair of Yamaha electronic kits which I'd merged.  
Now I play an acoustic kit, but I have a whole pile of Sabian tone 
control pads.  I'm planning to attach those to the kit and attach 
triggers to those.  Then I'll plug the triggers into my Alesis DM5.

For MIDI I use Rosegarden now.  I *really* miss the Harmony Browser 
in jazz++.

Cheers....


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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">De: Kevin Cosgrove &lt;ke...@co...&gt;<BR>Objet: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates<BR>À: jaz...@li...<BR>Date: Lundi 12 Mai 2008, 18h34<BR><BR><PRE>On 10 May 2008 at 7:11, "D.B. Moore" &lt;db...@ho...&gt; wrote:

&gt; Many years ago,
&gt; it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8

But, "dBm" is decibels with respect to 1 milliwatt (mW).  Maybe
that's 
why there's a smiley?

Cheerio....

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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] [jazzplusplus-devel] Brief intro to the lists

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 11 May 2008 at 2:50, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:

> It would be in the order of 10years or so ago that I first became
> interested in the jazz++ application, and about that time I also
> joined jazzplusplus-user mailing list. Myself being a linux user,
> the building of jazz++ all that time ago was...'difficult' to say the
> least. I was initially going to ask list questions about this very
> difficultly...right about the the time project itself was in decline.

I've been there.  I think my jazz++ experience goes back to 4.0.  I 
was building on a Red Hat 5.0 system back then.

> As Kevin C. and others will attest, the jazzplusplus-user list
> has been a very quiet place, for a rather long time. 

Yup.  But, I don't want to miss any attempt to kick jazz++ back to 
life, so I lurk here waiting for messages.


> Okay...what do I hope to accomplish in my time here?

I like your agenda.


Thanks.... 
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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 10 May 2008 at 9:31, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> DM> 4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use
> DM> seems to have been left hanging somehow...
> DM> I was fairly sure I answered that one.  Not to worry...
> DM> I've been personally building & using my own
> DM> 'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read
> DM> 'The Bash to boot prompt howto' and concluding that
> DM> (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do".
> DM> ...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how
> DM> time flies...
> DM>
> DM> There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that
> DM> I look after for other house members. I can rattle
> DM> together deb packages in both 32 and 64 bit flavors
> DM> if need be...whenever that time comes of course....
> 
> Kevin C. might want to comment on that.  IIRC he was interested in 
> packaging and distribution; if I can ever get anything ready to distribute.

I've been using Mandriva over here.  I package everything for that.  
It's an RPM based distribution, which means that my packaging can be 
a great headstart for any other RPM based system, e.g. Red Hat & SuSE.
Debian based systems are another story.  I've never built any 
packages for those.

Cheers.... 
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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

Thanks for starting to work on getting the doc's in good shape.
I agree with trying to put a good foot forward for Linux, jazz++ and 
all.  I have a MIDI hardware synth, if you eventually want me to test 
something.

Cheers....

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Kevin

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 10 May 2008 at 7:11, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:

> Many years ago,
> it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8

But, "dBm" is decibels with respect to 1 milliwatt (mW).  Maybe that's 
why there's a smiley?

Cheerio....

--
Kevin

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] [jazzplusplus-devel] online help build system update

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

Pete -- I've posted this reply to jazzplusplus-user as well,
just to help remove any confusion generated there.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:49:37 -0700

> PS>> You will need certain tools available to make this
> PS>> work. For the HTML help you will need the tex2rtf
> PS>> code that is provided with wxWidgets.
>
> DM> I did forget to mention that 'tex2rtf' doesn't
> DM> seem to get built here as part of the wx-2.8.7
> DM> build instructions. I have no idea if that's an
> DM> expected result (it may well be)....
>
> If you don't have tex2rtf, how did you build the HTML help?
>
> tex2rtf will probably be the topic of a separate thread, but it can be
> generated from the wxWidgets distribution. Unfortunately, due to the
> way wxWidgets is built for Jazz++, there are some potential problems.
>

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer about this. Here's the detail ;

In your previous posting about this, you signified that the 'tex2rtf'
utility was distributed with the wxwidget tarball. My stock installation
of wx is version 2.8.4, however 'tex2rtf' wasn't in $PATH. I'd only
just updated wx a week or so ago, so I still had the source/build tree
handy. Checking that was when I discovered 'tex'2rtf' hadn't been
built (in my 2.8.4 wx tree) - nor had it been built in the non-stock
wx-2.8.7 build used for jazz++ ; apparently the cause is common.

I chose to sort this on my *stock* wx installation (to make tex2rtf
available systemwide, not just for jazz++). The full path to tex2rtf in
the wx source tree is -- wxGTK-2.8.4/utils/tex2rtf/

Changing to that directory, issuing make && make install was how
I ended up with a working tex2rtf. Strangely, it had all been previously
configured, all the Makefiles were present, but for whatever reason
the build process skips right over the utils section and why is something
I would need look closer at ....if you want me to that is. Let me know...


> PS>> For PDF generation, you will need a LaTeX
> PS>> installation and the pdflatex converter.
>
> DM> Using tetex under linux (which supplies the tool
> DM> 'pdftex'), jazz.pdf generation also works fine.
> DM> The tool 'pdftex' is also maintained separately
> DM> (http://www.pdftex.org) and seems more current
> DM> than the version shipping with tetex.
> DM>
> DM> Both versions work.
>
> Maybe I can check for existence of pdflatex of pdftex in the build system.
>

Yeah, I think you'll have to. AFAICT 'pdflatex' is not specific to linux -
the equivalence is 'pdftex' to the best of my knowledge. It probably
make sense to include a check in configure for both these tool sets
(including tex2rtf), and like other projects I've seen issue a warning
at the end of configure 'documentation will not be built - please install
<> if you wish to build a local copy of the documentation'
....blabla...

I should also point out, although the 'tetex' distribution does include
it's own (working) version of 'pdftex', the variant downloaded from
http://www.pdftex.org is meant to replace the one distributed in
tetex.


> PS>> Would you like me to send you the current PDF
> PS>> file in a private email?
>
> DM> A kind offer, however I'm eager to checkout
> DM> as much of source build process as is possible
> DM> here - test, test and test again...
>
> PS>> Since you can build the HTML help using
> PS>> "make html" feel free to start editing jazz.tex
> PS>> and send me patches. Replacement screen shots
> PS>> are welcome too. We may end up with different
> PS>> sets of screen shots for each platform and I
> PS>> can change the Makefile to build the docs for
> PS>> different platforms. I'm going to make one
> PS>> commit to jazz.tex before I go to bed, but
> PS>> after that it's "open season" for you.
>
> DM> ....now, where did I put my hunting cap?... (;
>
> PS>> I would prefer many smaller patches than one
> PS>> big patch, and please include a note
> PS>> summarizing the changes you made. I'll use
> PS>> this in commit message and give you credit.
> PS>> The first change you should make is make
> PS>> yourself a coauthor. I changed the original
> PS>> author names because they have been out of
> PS>> the picture for over 8 years. The commit
> PS>> messages will look like...
> PS>>
> PS>> "Applied a patch provided by Donald B. Moore.
> PS>> Your description here.
> PS>> A description of anything I changed here."
>
> DM> All understood, I'll keep my submissions
> DM> small and descriptive ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> PS>> I see you signed up for the
> PS>> jazzplusplus-updates list. Excellent!
>
> DM> I try to please.
>
> DM> I just need to clarify something here -- when you say;
> DM>
> DM> 'in your svn working'
> DM>
> DM> I construe this as ;
> DM>
> DM> 'in your svn working directory'
> DM>
> DM> Is that correct?
>
> Yes. Sorry about the missing noun an the related confusion. I just
> committed a fix for this one. You update your web source tree (i.e.
> your svn web working directory) and svn will merge the changes with any
> you have made.
>
> Pete
>

No problem...I guess that's what we're supposed to do though - confuse each
other then clear up that confusion before the user audience finds themselves confused...

I should have patches for the rest of the web docs sorted over the next
few days.

Regards,

Donald B

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[Jazzplusplus-user] Brief intro to the lists

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

G'day all,

             This is merely a short(?)  email letting everyone know
a little about myself, how I ended up here, and what I hope
to accomplish in my time here.

In case you missed it, I am an Australian. I am actually a
qualified motor-mechanic, have tickets in quality assurance
and control operations, and I like to study human sociology
in my spare time. I've also worked in electronics R&D and
production arenas. I am '50-something' years old (;

It would be in the order of 10years or so ago that I first became
interested in the jazz++ application, and about that time I also
joined jazzplusplus-user mailing list. Myself being a linux user,
the building of jazz++ all that time ago was...'difficult' to say the
least. I was initially going to ask list questions about this very
difficultly...right about the the time project itself was in decline.

As Kevin C. and others will attest, the jazzplusplus-user list
has been a very quiet place, for a rather long time. When Pete's
request for power-users to test out new builds hit the list, I was
actually in the throws of moving house...so I was a bit late getting
onto that testing. However, I did get around to it, and I might say
that I was both amazed and enthused to discover that everything
compiled correctly. I sent an email to Pete recounting that very
experience, along with a small critique of website instructions
given to achieve this.

Since then, Pete and myself have had a detailed private email
discussion about the website content, documentation in general,
and right about the time I thought 'can I help?' , Pete had a very
similar notion...'would you like to help?'....and here I am! We have
of course moved that private discussion onto the lists as we get
things co-ordinated between us.

Pete was hoping that I join the developers list as well as the users
list, and I have now made that so. I will primarily be working on
documentation generation & proofing tasks. If anyone has any
comments or requests about this area of the project, feel free to
raise a hand -- comments and critiques both good and bad very
welcome.

I can also do any (linux..) testing required on ix86 in both 32 and
64 bit flavors, using Debian 4.0 installations. I can also test on
this station, a non-mainstream linux 64bit x86 with no 32bit-compat
system. In a happy future where a sanctioned release of jazz++
becomes available, I could produce binary packages for Debian.

Okay...what do I hope to accomplish in my time here?

First off the rank, is to straighten and correct the jazz++ website
texts. The aim is for correctness and clarity within the website. I
believe this task is almost complete.

Secondly...and as expounded to Pete in one of our private emails,
users of jazz++ on the Windows platform have really got it easy.
That is to say, no matter what soundcard hardware these systems
have fitted, the user will have a MIDI 'softsynth' as part of that
system makeup. Even the most inexperienced Windows user will
have little trouble downloading and installing jazz++, and having
it create sound first up 'out of the box' as it were.

The linux experience is not so straight forward....in fact, getting
and compiling jazz++ from svn is actually the -easy- part now.

Getting it to actually make any sound, is another matter again,
and unless the user has a hardware-based MIDI/synth soundcard
(or 'real' MIDI hardware), then they will have to setup their own
'softsynth' implementation before they can hear the replay of....
..ie; 'jazz.mid' (or any other MIDI track for that matter).

I am of the belief that normal, average and inexperienced users
of linux have no idea about such things - they expect their linux
systems to have a builtin MIDI 'softsynth'  just like a Windows
system has.

I am also of the belief that the lack of this 'native' MIDI 'softsynth'
support in linux, has in some way been participle to jazz++ (and
other linux/MIDI projects) falling by the wayside.  Does anyone
else share this belief?

Ergo, I plan to create some documentation for inclusion on the
jazz++ website, to explain these things to potential users who
might not know about such things. I plan to write a set of
instructions that hopefully enables such inexperienced/casual
users of linux to build, install and setup their own 'softsynth'
implementation as quickly and simply as possible. My aim here
is to make the linux experience with jazz++ as closely akin to
the Windows experience as possible -- the linux path might
require a bit more work, but I want that work as easy as
possible for (inexperienced) linux users to complete successfully.

Beyond that, I want to test and document jazz++'s setup
and interoperability with -other- linux MIDI based applications.

Beyond that...(??)...who knows, but I'm always open to suggestions!!

Finally, I wish to thank those jazzplusplus-user list members who
responded to my call for a listening head-count -- it's comforting
to know I'm not totally alone on that list!!


Kind regards to all,

Donald B

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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Norman P. <wan...@gm...>]

Hello

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Kevin Cosgrove <ke...@co...> wrote:
>
> On 9 May 2008 at 23:05, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:
>
>>          If there's anyone still tuned in here, please say hello  (-;
>
> Hello.
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

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On 9 May 2008 at 23:05, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:

>          If there's anyone still tuned in here, please say hello  (-;


Hello!

Eugene.

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

DM = DM
DM> I've just come from reading your last
DM> posting on devel-list
DM>
DM> This lot will hopefully get us up to date....
DM>
DM> 1. I'm posting this to jazzplusplus-user
DM> with CC to yourself.  If you already receive
DM> copies of jazzplusplus-user mail, let me know
DM> and I'll drop the CC. This will keep threads
DM> alive here.

I subscribe to, and manage, the three Jazz++ mailing lists, so you can 
drop the CC.  It wasn't true in this email, but also make sure you 
remove raw email addresses from your replies.  It feeds tjhe spam 
harvesters.  The Cygwin site maintains a list of acronyms they use in 
email posting, and in this case PCYMTNQREAIYR 
(http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR) applies ;-)

DM> 2. I'll track devel from the online archive -this
DM> will avoid list 'pollution'
DM>
DM> 3. A subversion repository of the documentation
DM> is certainly the way to go -- it keeps efforts
DM> centered around a common toolset. I can then
DM> keep my local tree synced and easily diff' out
DM> patches.

I just put the web content in the Jazz++ svn repository.  The URL is

https://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jazzplusplus/web

Have at it ;-)

DM> I'm supposing I should submit patches to yourself.

Yes.  That's find for now.  Once the project grows, or if you have many 
patches, the source forge patch manager for Jazz++

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=637414&group_id=104252&func=browse

might be more appropriate.

DM> The commit should get noticed in jazzplusplus-devel

Actually it will be noticed on jazzplusplus-updates.

DM> to invite any input there. Once any patches are
DM> approved and applied to the svn repo, I'll announce
DM> same here in jazzplusplus-user, so folks know
DM> there's something new to checkout (on the website
DM> or in the code), thusly inviting folks to comment
DM> on this list as well.

Sounds good.

DM> Let me know the svn particulars once you get that
DM> end sorted, and I'll then do the same here, sanity
DM> check it etc...and we all should be happy..
DM> Well...I hope so anyhow.

The repository information is listed above.  Since you are on Linux 
boxes, use

svn diff > mypatch.patch

to generate patches and place them in the source forge patch manager or 
email them to the list.  Like I said before, if the project grows, only 
the source forge patch manager will make sense, and not the list, but 
for now, it's OK.

DM> 4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use
DM> seems to have been left hanging somehow...
DM> I was fairly sure I answered that one.  Not to worry...
DM> I've been personally building & using my own
DM> 'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read
DM> 'The Bash to boot prompt howto' and concluding that
DM> (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do".
DM> ...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how
DM> time flies...
DM>
DM> There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that
DM> I look after for other house members. I can rattle
DM> together deb packages in both 32 and 64 bit flavors
DM> if need be...whenever that time comes of course....

Kevin C. might want to comment on that.  IIRC he was interested in 
packaging and distribution; if I can ever get anything ready to distribute.

Pete

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>>> Can I post a reply to your last message on
PS>>> jazzplusplus-devel?
PS>>>
PS>>> Are you subscribed to that list?

PS>> I went ahead and posted to jazzplusplus-devel.
PS>> Hope that's OK.  I need to get some sleep, so
PS>> I just sent the email without waiting for your
PS>> reply.
PS>>
PS>> Hope to chat via the lists soon.
PS>>
PS>> Thanks again for all of the help.

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> Ahh...I think I know what's happened here.
DM> To explain....
DM>
DM> I am (have long time been) a member of
DM> jazzplusplus-user , however you spend most
DM> of your time on jazzplusplus-devel ....of
DM> which I am not a member. I figured...(see
DM> one of my previous prattlings)...that this
DM> website documentation discussion was more
DM> fodder for this list than it was relevant
DM> to the developers list.
DM>
DM> However, we're probably kidding ourselves if
DM> we can draw such a line - clearly the discussion
DM> content *will* overlap both lists' agendas from
DM> time to time...hell, it's already happened and
DM> we've only just drawn first breaths!!
DM>
DM> I'm assuming you're a member of both lists?

Yes.  And don't forget the Subversion updates list I recently created. 
Subversion sends an email to jazzplusplus-updates that contains a list 
of modified files and description of the changes made to the files.

I'm subscribed to all of three of these lists.

DM> All I can think of right now, goes something like
DM> this....you are one of the project leaders,

And the only "active" one at this point.  Kevin C. has also been doing 
some Linux build testing.

DM> and as such you will always retain right of veto
DM> in moderation of list(s) content. In many ways
DM> you are ideally placed to decide what content of
DM> one list, should find it's topical way onto another
DM> list for cross-discussion debate. Likewise, if I
DM> raise a discussion here and think it should be
DM> flagged for the devel list as well, I will make
DM> that abundantly clear to you and you can decide from
DM> there whether any 'cross pollination' takes place.
DM> Sound reasonable?

I believe that is what's going on.

DM> Else, I could join the devel list as well...however
DM> that might neglect content here, or lead to (possibly
DM> disparate) duplication of threads on both lists.
DM> That would be confusing....(like it was on the posting
DM> above where I forgot to CC the list)

This is just my opinion, but given the amount of effort you have already 
put into this, you should subscribe to the developers list regardless. 
That's where I'll discuss the details of the documentation build system, 
idiosyncrasies of the various ports,... and this information could be 
used as for the start of some documentation or identify the need for 
some documentation.

DM> Take it as read though, if you feel any of my
DM> postings here should be also read by devel-list
DM> members, just go ahead and forward to the
DM> devel-list as you see appropriate -- a CC to
DM> my email address at the time of you doing this
DM> would be enough to let me know what has
DM> happened and gives me a heads-up that some
DM> question/comments (about that content) might be
DM> headed my way. This works for me..

I was hoping to get you to join that list and just ignore any email on 
the dev list you are not interested in.

DM> By the time you awake, we should be back in
DM> sync and on the same page.

This was a good chance to advertise mailing lists ;-)

DM> ps: Donald B or Donald M, either or is fine
DM> by me. Many years ago, it was just plain 'dbm'
DM> ...decibels per metre.... (-8

Don't forget I'm a EE, so that would be dBm, which is decibels 
referenced to one milliwatt ;-);-);-)

Pete

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


Pete,


I've just come from reading your last posting on devel-list

This lot will hopefully get us up to date....

1. I'm posting this to jazzplusplus-user with CC to yourself.
If you already receive copies of jazzplusplus-user mail, let
me know and I'll drop the CC. This will keep threads alive here.

2. I'll track devel from the online archive -this will avoid list 'pollution' 

3. A subversion repository of the documentation is certainly the way
to go -- it keeps efforts centered around a common toolset. I can then
keep my local tree synced and easily diff' out patches.

I'm supposing I should submit patches to yourself. The commit should
get noticed in jazzplusplus-devel to invite any input there. Once any
patches are approved and applied to the svn repo, I'll announce same
here in jazzplusplus-user, so folks know there's something new to
checkout (on the website or in the code), thusly inviting folks
to comment on this list as well.

Let me know the svn particulars once you get that end sorted,
and I'll then do the same here, sanity check it etc...and we all should
be happy.. Well...I hope so anyhow.

4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use' seems to have 
been left hanging somehow...I was fairly sure I answered that one.
Not to worry....I've been personally building & using my own 
'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read 'The Bash to boot prompt
howto' and concluding that (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do".
...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how time flies...

There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that I look after for
other house members. I can rattle together deb packages in both
32 and 64 bit flavors if need be...whenever that time comes of
course....

Regards,

        Donald B.


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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


Pete wrote;

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:08:55 -0700
> From: pst...@ve...
> Subject: Re: Website documentation updates
> To: db...@ho...
>
> DM = D.B. Moore
> DM>> Greetings,
> DM>>
> DM>> Alright, we're closer to some some
> DM>> semblance of synchronization now...
> DM>>
> DM>> Hello Kevin!  Nice to know someone else -is-
> DM>> tuned in!
>
> PS> It looks like I'm the only one getting a reply.
> PS> This happened to my last message back to you as
> PS> well.  I didn't pay attention to the reply
> PS> address when I sent my last reply.  I have the
> PS> mailing lists setup to "reply to list" by
> PS> default.  I'm not sure what went wrong :-(
> PS>
> PS> Can I post a reply to your last message on
> PS> jazzplusplus-devel?
> PS>
> PS> Are you subscribed to that list?
>
> I went ahead and posted to jazzplusplus-devel.  Hope that's OK.  I need
> to get some sleep, so I just sent the email without waiting for your reply.
>
> Hope to chat via the lists soon.
>
> Thanks again for all of the help.
>
> Pete
>

 Ahh...I think I know what's happened here.  To explain....

I am (have long time been) a member of jazzplusplus-user , however
you spend most of your time on jazzplusplus-devel ....of which I am not
a member. I figured...(see one of my previous prattlings)...that this
website documentation discussion was more fodder for this list than
it was relevant to the developers list.

However, we're probably kidding ourselves if we can draw such a line -
clearly the discussion content *will* overlap both lists' agendas from time
to time...hell, it's already happened and we've only just drawn first breaths!!

I'm assuming you're a member of both lists? All I can think of right now,
goes something like this....you are one of the project leaders, and as such
you will always retain right of veto in moderation of list(s) content. In many
ways you are ideally placed to decide what content of one list, should find
it's topical way onto another list for cross-discussion debate. Likewise, if
I raise a discussion here and think it should be flagged for the devel list
as well, I will make that abundantly clear to you and you can decide from
there whether any 'cross pollination' takes place. Sound reasonable?

Else, I could join the devel list as well...however that might neglect content
here, or lead to (possibly disparate) duplication of threads on both lists.
That would be confusing....(like it was on the posting above where I forgot
to CC the list)

Take it as read though, if you feel any of my postings here should be
also read by devel-list members, just go ahead and forward to the
devel-list as you see appropriate -- a CC to my email address at the
time of you doing this would be enough to let me know what has
happened and gives me a heads-up that some question/comments
(about that content) might be headed my way. This works for me..

Whatever works for *you* is possibly more important - let me know.


By the time you awake, we should be back in sync and on the same page.


Regards,

Donald B


ps: Donald B or Donald M, either or is fine by me. Many years ago,
it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8




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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

....Oops, forgot to CC this to the list...


----------------------------------------
> From: db...@ho...
> To: pst...@ve...
> Subject: RE: Website documentation updates
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 05:13:27 +0000
>
>

 Greetings,

 Alright, we're closer to some some semblance of synchronization now...

 Hello Kevin!  Nice to know someone else -is- tuned in!


> Pete wrote ;
>
> <>
>> DM> interest to check jazzplusplus out, along
>> DM> with some (realistic) estimation of when
>> DM> userland type tarballs are expected to be
>> DM> available....
>>
>> That estimate will be tough for me to come up with.  What do you think
>> of this version...
>>
>> http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/download/
>>
>

 Yeah, the release time estimation consideration is always tough. Mind you,
 the actual value might change at any time, and could be updated when so.
 For example, 'now' that estimation might be 'before the end of 2009', but
 in 3months time it might be 'by the end of this year'....it's a mobile target.

 There's a small typo here and there on the download page, there's a few
 more likewise on other pages which I've caught on the 3rd pass.

 Rather than load you up with all these minor corrections,  I'll ask first
 if these fixups will be better served by me having a working setup
 of whatever documentation generation process you prefer to use?

 I'll hold these little corrections in check until I hear back on that....

>
>
>> DM> ....and, if it were there, pointers to other
>> DM> docs on the site of other software already
>> DM> known to be working with devel versions
>> DM> of jazzplusplus, screenshots --
>>
>> Currently I have the screen shot page commented out.
>>
>

 Ah, okay...noted...


>
>> DM> I'll wait for your reply to this before
>> DM> reposting ....oh, and if you'd rather this
>> DM> private, that's fine too....
>>
>> No.  I prefer a public discussion to get others interested.
>>
>

 Agreed -- open discussion of such things on *this* list,
 gives every possible opportunity for the intended users
 of jazzplusplus to have some say in what happens next.

>
>
>> DM> let me know, but like that the record
>> DM> shows that there's some depth of thought
>> DM> going into the revitalized jazzplusplus
>>
>> Exactly! :-)
>>
>> DM> fork...
>>
>> Keep in mind, this isn't a fork
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development)
>>
>> I'm just building on the work of others without splitting off.
>>
>

 ...oops! I'll make sure to get that right from now on....


>
>> DM> even at this level.
>> DM>
>> DM> I'll do a 3rd pass over things in the interim.
>>
>> Great.  Thanks.
>

 Yep, as I mentioned above, 3rd pass revealed a few
 small oversights, but if the correcting/editting process
 is going to be streamlined by my using your preferred
 document generation method, then I would rather move
 to that method sooner than later.


 On the other hand, if you *do* want the current list
 of tiny textual fixups posted here, just let me know...

>
>>
>> DM> ps: excuse my impoliteness, I didn't ask if
>> DM> you wanted American, or British spelling,
>> DM> sorry. You would have received Australian
>> DM> spelling by default -- please advise which
>> DM> english varient you prefer so I avoid
>> DM> spelling 'bolour' with a 'k'....
>>
>> American English please.  Thanks for asking.
>>
>

 No problem,,,,


 Donald B


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[Jazzplusplus-user] General Thoughts and Web Review

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

The following discussion was instigated by Donald Moore in a private 
email.  With Donald's permission, I'm making a good portion of the 
discussion public.  It probably belongs on the developer's list, but I 
want the potential Jazz++ user community to know what I'm thinking as 
well, so here goes...

First let me "blog a little"...

I'm an electrical engineer.  This is my profession.  I write C++ and use 
wxWidgets at my place of employment.

When I was a kid, I took drum lessons and had some excellent 
instructors.  I did well in school, so I pursued engineering instead of 
music.  Drumming is now my hobby.

I am fortunate enough to own a Roland TD-20 electronic drum kit 
(http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=599).  I 
love it.  At the end of 2007 I became interested in possibly using the 
midi2ly utility 
(http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.1/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Invoking-midi2ly.html) 
(or a modified version of it) to generate sheet music by recording my 
playing via a MIDI sequencer hooked up to my Roland kit and using this 
utility to generate lilypond (http://lilypond.org) source and therefore, 
drum sheet music.

When I went looking for an open source MIDI sequencer for Windows, I 
couldn't find one.  Rosegarden (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/) is a 
great open source "audio and MIDI sequencer, score editor, and 
general-purpose music composition and editing environment." 
Unfortunately it is Linux specific.

Then I found Jazz++ on SourceForge.  After some email discussions with 
Patrick Earl, Dave Fancella, and Kevin Cosgrove, they were willing to 
give me control of the project.  I'm not sure if they trusted me, or 
just figured "work on this had stalled due to the existence of other 
tools on Linux boxes, so what would it hurt?".  I just want to publicly 
thank them for giving me this opportunity.  I'm having a lot of fun with 
this.

I managed to get an old version of the code (4.1.3) built on Windows 
with an ancient version of wxWidgets (1.6e) using Visual Studio 6.  Next 
I updated the code to build with the current stable version of wxWidgets 
(2.8.7).  Next I created a Linux build.  Then someone was interested in 
a Mac port.  On the advice of a fellow developer, I purchased a Mac mini 
and have a version of the code building on Maz OS X 10.5.2.  The code is 
barely functional (plays back MIDI files on Windows and Linux), but I 
still have a ways to go before a binary release makes sense.

I have to admit, I'm addicted to working on this.  My original goal 
(tool to translate percussion playing into sheet music) is still there, 
but secondary.  Now I want to get Jazz++ working in its former glory and 
make it better.  I've been encouraged by a handful of individuals 
(Riccardo G., Kevin C., Leland L., and Donald M.) who have helped and 
are interested in seeing Jazz++ implemented.

Sorry for that spew.  I just wanted to let everyone know my motivation 
for working on the project.

Now for the discussion with Donald...

D = Donald
D> I wonder what sort of person would install and use jazz++. I'm
D> not without my own ideas here, but I'd like to know if *you*
D> had any specific user base 'target audience' in mind developing
D> this software. In my mind, this so called 'target user audience'
D> is fairly easy to define -- see if you agree with this thinking;
D>
D> users will be either musicians, aspiring musicians, or not
D> musicians.
D>
D> depending on which group the user fits into here, in many ways
D> goes to preclude that:
D>   they have MIDI hardware and know all about MIDI
D>   they aspire to have MIDI hardware and learn all
D>   about MIDI they want to produce MIDI based sound
D>   with their computer
D>
D> If users are in the first two groups here, you don't need
D> document MIDI -- they will be resourceful and studious
D> enough to do that for themselves, so as far as jazz++ goes,
D> they just (quickly) want to learn how to drive it, and
D> how to accomplish 'standard, basic' MIDI sequencing
D> techniques using jazz++ (instead of some other MIDI sequencing
D> software they've seen/used) Without prejudice, it is my
D> personal experience that musicians don't want to have anything
D> at all to do with the software except use it, possibly getting
D> someone else to install it for them as well...and that's fine ;
D> they should be concentrating on their music after all....
D>
D> If...however....the user is in the latter group, THAT is why
D> people like yourself and I and many others spend so much time
D> writing up documentation and getting it 'just right' for people
D> we know are going to be in this group.  We do this, to try and
D> ensure that they have as positive an experience as possible,
D> first time up and 'straight out of the box' as it were.
D>
D> You might sense I've got my eyes focused on that currently
D> vacant jazz++ documentation page, and you'd be right. In
D> the context I've drawn here, I'm considering that third
D> group of users who aren't musicians nor software savvy but
D> who want to play around with jazz++ anyhow. Who knows, it
D> may be a young person with much (musical) talent trying out
D> MIDI & jazz++ for the very first time. Whoever it is, this
D> first time exposure to the software itself and the quality
D> of it's supports, pretty much  determines the effective
D> future of that project, and what user support base it can
D> manage to attract.
D>
D> Now, you already know all this...otherwise you wouldn't be
D> asking for people like myself to check&test things. The
D> other reality is, jazz (jazzware) has already been and
D> gone once, and I really know this -- I've been on the
D> mailing list for years, and the last few years it's been
D> deathly quiet. If you never had the pleasure of attempting
D> to compile wx-167e (or whatever it was) and getting the
D> then jazz to link against it, then you never had the
D> pleasure of attempted suicide...it was diabolical, really.
D> And it would do weird things, crash at most inopportune
D> moments, and parse some standard MIDI files as if they
D> were strands of spagetti....
D>
D> In many ways, jazz++ 'missed it's calling' back then,
D> because it was one of the very few (if not the only) MIDI
D> sequencer available for linux back then, with the possible
D> exception of  'Rosegarden' which is more orientated
D> towards musical/MIDI notation than it is a MIDI sequencer,
D> and back then it was even crashier than jazz++ was.
D>
D> The other real big crunch factor for the linux user
D> versus MIDI sound scene, has been the lack of soundcard
D> MIDI/synth driver supports in linux. As we know, the
D> day-to--day Windows user has a softsynth on hand with
D> very nearly every run-of-the-mill off-the-shelf soundcard
D> out there...(thanks to closed and proprietary soundcard
D> drivers and chip designs)....but we folks in linux land
D> had to wait for the likes of emu8000/emu10k1 soundcards
D> to become cheaply available before we could do any serious
D> MIDI based sound reproduction....(unless of course you went
D> out and bought an expensive high end MIDI soundcard that
D> had linux support)....but even then, we're talking about
D> MIDI/synth in *hardware*, not a softsynth setup.
D>
D> This brings me back to those people in the last, third
D> group here. These may be the sort of users who will
D> cut&paste build instructions from the website into their
D> shell....and lucky for them, we've got it all nice,
D> straight-forward and easy for everyone to do just that...
D> (cause and effect  ;) , and you know, they'll do all
D> this....they will come to the project site, read the
D> building page instructions, svn co the repo (or download
D> 'release'), cut&paste their blessed hearts away and end
D> up with a working custom wx installation tree *AND* a
D> working jazz++ binary ready to go....
D>
D> ....and have no idea that they DO NOT have a hardware
D> MIDI/synth soundcard, and absolutely no idea they'll
D> need a softsynth setup instead before they'll actually
D> -hear- anything....and if this is allowed to happen,
D> they will blame jazz++ for this bad experience....deserved
D> or not. Yet another possibility, is that in their search
D> to resolve their need for a softsynth setup, they may be
D> lured away from jazz++ by some other 'competing' piece
D> of similar software they notice along the way.
D>
D> Once a user...any user...hits the jazz++ pages, he/she
D> should, at their fingertips as it were, be presented
D> with every possible piece of useful and critical
D> information they need 'now' to get jazz++ up and
D> running, and actually **hear** the results of their
D> software toils. Imagine the disappointment of a novice
D> thinking they'd done all the 'hard stuff' right, but it
D> still didn't make any noise. Disappointment can be a very
D> bitter pill, and you don't want users going somewhere
D> else for their medicine.  You don't want a plethora of
D> email either...
D>
D> What do you think about all of that?

Here are my thoughts:
1. I think Jazz++ could also be used as an instructional tool.
2. As long as there are a handful of people interested in 
development/documentation/using Jazz++ I'll probably continue to work on it.
3. The fact that almost every Windows box has a has a software 
synthesizer driver with the sound card gives end users immediate 
satisfaction on this platform (i.e. they can play MIDI files without 
additional HW).  I'm pretty sure the same will be true of recent Macs. 
If you want to document the setup and use of various Linux software MIDI 
synthesizers like the JACK/FluidSynth/Qsynth with Jazz++, that would be 
fantastic and I'll put the content on the Jazz++ web site.
4. I need to get the code in a state so it is worth generating binary 
distributions.  That may take a while, but I'm working on it.
5. I know how I want to generate the docs.  It applies to the 
distribution and web content.  If I get everything setup, maybe you can 
help me fill in the actual content.
6. I'm really enjoying the process and the people I'm meeting 
electronically.

D> I would be very pleased to type up a lot of that content
D> for you, if you so wish? You are now a little familiar
D> with my english skills, and that I have some idea which
D> end of GCC bites the hardest, and based on the rationale
D> above I think it's well worth it.  I had all this in mind
D> doing the jack/flsynth/qsynth thang....(I actually
D> had to get around to installing qt4 first ;)...that process
D> was decidedly less painful than I last remember it, after
D> getting over that Mac-alsa (not alsa  ;)  powered binary
D> situation that is.......

I'll definitely take you up on that "content generation" offer. I 
committed a change to configure.ac that will get that working on a Linux 
box, but break the Mac build.  Maybe you could update and try the 
latest.  What Linux distribution are you using?

D> If you like the notion,

I do.

D> I was thinking something along the following lines......;
D>
D> Documentation ----
D>
D> [content]
D>
D> user's manual  (this will no doubt come as functionality
D> increases)

I have an idea of how I want to implement this one.  We should move that 
dsicussion over to the developer's list.

D> tips&tricks    (ditto above, how to use jazz++ inbuilt
D> features)
D>
D> /////// I wonder who's going to write all of that? Did
D> you 'inherit' any user docs as well?

I have some to start with, but I need to organize it and get it building.

D> /////// The one saving grace is at least it's
D> common documentation for all build flavours...
D>
D> /////// The following however is linux-centric
D>
D> [+linux]
D>
D> //...something like..;
D>
D> linux hardware and software MIDI/synth systems
D> (what they are, who needs what, why)
D> what are soundfonts? (both hardware&software
D> systems may use soundfonts, what & why & where)
D> using jazz++ with hardware based MIDI/synth
D> soundcards (list of cards, anything pertinent...
D> ie; soundfont loaders)
D> using jazz++ with software based MIDI/synth + a
D> soundcard (howto get the jack/flsynth/qsynth
D> combo up & running with jazz)

Sounds great!

D> //...I can do the next one just as soon as I dig
D> the korg & PC-MIDI box out of the pile downstairs...
D>
D> using jazz++ with PC hardware MIDI adapter & MIDI
D> capable musical instrument
D>
D> //...you could include another section about
D> using jazz++ with..for example, AMS, Spiralsynth,
D> etc etc
D>
D> What do you think? Windows + Mac users will...I'm
D> afraid...have to hope one of their own ranks
D> is willing to put in a similar effort. Someone
D> with more relevant experience with those OS'
D> anyhow...

I actually used my M-AUDIO Uno cable and M-AUDIO Delta 1010 device to 
play MIDI files with Jazz++ in Windows by plugging them in and attaching 
them to my Roland drum kit.  It just worked (TM) :-)

D> I believe it would be facilitative for project
D> profile and growth to have such informations
D> 'all in one place' as it were. If it's as easy
D> and clear as possible for users to go from URL to
D> working, audible, MIDI sequencer output with
D> jazz++, more people *will* use it, and I can
D> surely think of no better way (here) to help
D> take jazz's past reputation away from where it
D> was based on people's previous experiences with
D> it, and into the better light of today where
D> you want to take jazz++ -now-.

Sounds great.

Thanks for putting so much thought into this.  Looks like I'll be 
working on Jazz++ this weekend :-)

Pete

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 9 May 2008 at 23:05, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:

>          If there's anyone still tuned in here, please say hello  (-;

Hello.

:-)
 
--
Kevin

[Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings to the list..(??)....


         If there's anyone still tuned in here, please say hello  (-;


Pete;

We're suffering a bit of email/timezone lag/overlap,
mostly caused my email shift, and the state of time itself.

Regarding the download link ;

To remove or not to remove?


Perhaps that decision should be judged by ramification rather than
by a quotient of how useful (or not) it might be to leave it there.

The link that is, not the actual tarball itself.

My thinking goes like this -- how did the client end up there,
looking at the jazzplusplus website? The most general answer
would be because they saw/heard/were told about jazzplusplus
from somewhere we may or maynot care about. If that were so,
it almost assures us said client has some interest or expectation
that this very software will...make them happy, leave them with
some measure of satisfaction...do (their) the job well.

Once this is all so, (and lets face it, most of the above is if-so-facto),
the website has got to give something back to the client, and a
download button (the first thing many look for) that isn't there
or which is disabled is the FULL stop. Remember, the client is
-expecting- to download something, -expecting- certain things
to be there, -expecting- a mouse click on a button to cause a 
certain thing to happen - deny them this at thy peril!!

Three 'expectings' is plenty strong magic -- even Yoda's mastery
of The Force would be in trouble here. Thus...(and I acknowledge
this might all sound absolutely daft)....the download button must
be there, and it must respond as expected . If a
tarball is there or not is probably inconsequential right now, but 
pointers back to svn instructions as an alternate, held as links
inside a passage of text explaining the current state of play, thank
-ing visitors for taking the time and interest to check jazzplusplus
out, along with some (realistic) estimation of when userland type
tarballs are expected to be available....

//// when you catch up with my 'last' email from my 'other' email acc.

....and, if it were there, pointers to other docs on the site of
other software already known to be working with devel versions
of jazzplusplus, screenshots -- the download button might not
have given the client a tarball, but it -has- given them something
and believe me, they'll remember the experience and return later.
A possible example might be that a client came looking for a
working jazzplusplus tarball, but instead walked away with a working
fluidsynth -- once you create the possibility, mathematical probability
can be relied on to time the possible effect.


Speaking of the last email from my other address, it would seem
we 'crossed the same line of thought' whilst emails crossed each
other on the wires .....great minds?

I'll wait for your reply to this before reposting ....oh, and if you'd
rather this private, that's fine too....let me know, but like this
the record shows that tere's some depth of thought going into
the revitalized jazzplusplus fork....even at this level.


I'll do a 3rd pass over things in the interim.

Donald B.

ps: excuse my impoliteness, I didn't ask if you wanted American,
or British spelling, sorry. You would have received Australian
spelling by default -- please advise which english varient you prefer
so I avoid spelling 'bolour' with a 'k'....
  
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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] configure error

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

CB = Conrad Berhörster
CB> Hello jazzyies
CB>
CB> i try to compile the last jazz version
CB> After installing libtool, automake and friends,
CB> i had run ./rebuild. and here
CB> is my output.
CB> any idea? thanks c~

Hi Conrad,

Did you obtain the "last jazz version" from Subversion or did you 
download the file labeled "first after fork" from the downloads area?

Pete

[Jazzplusplus-user] Looking for Power Users to Test Builds

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

Hi Jazz++ Users,

I've started a Jazz++ development revival, and I'm looking for some 
power users that are willing to attempt a build of the new code so they 
can critique development.

I have a partially functioning version of Jazz++ that builds on Windows 
XP and Vista using either Visual Studio .NET 2005 (VS8) or Visual Studio 
.NET 2008 (VS9) and works with wxWidgets 2.8.7.

I have the same source building on Fedora 8 using GCC 4.1.2 and the 
WX_2_8_BRANCH of wxWidgets.

I would like to help users through the build process so I can generate 
useful instructions for the web site.

Pete

[Jazzplusplus-user] configure error

[Conrad B. <con...@gm...>]

 Hello jazzyies 

i try to compile the last jazz version 
After installing libtool, automake and friends, i had run ./rebuild. and here 
is my output. 
any idea? thanks c~

----------------  schnipp  -------------------


$ ./rebuild
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
checking for g++... g++
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes
checking dependency style of g++... gcc3
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E
checking for g77... no
checking for xlf... no
checking for f77... no
checking for frt... no
checking for pgf77... no
checking for cf77... no
checking for fort77... no
checking for fl32... no
checking for af77... no
checking for xlf90... no
checking for f90... no
checking for pgf90... no
checking for pghpf... no
checking for epcf90... no
checking for gfortran... no
checking for g95... no
checking for xlf95... no
checking for f95... no
checking for fort... no
checking for ifort... no
checking for ifc... no
checking for efc... no
checking for pgf95... no
checking for lf95... no
checking for ftn... no
checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no
checking whether  accepts -g... no
checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 98304
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for ar... ar
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool
checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if g++ static flag -static works... yes
checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking fcntl.h usability... yes
checking fcntl.h presence... yes
checking for fcntl.h... yes
checking sys/file.h usability... yes
checking sys/file.h presence... yes
checking for sys/file.h... yes
checking sys/param.h usability... yes
checking sys/param.h presence... yes
checking for sys/param.h... yes
checking for working alloca.h... yes
checking for alloca... yes
checking for struct stat.st_blksize... yes
checking for _Ios_Openmode... yes
./configure: line 20247: syntax error near unexpected token `alsa'
./configure: line 20247: `echo "${ECHO_T}" >&6; } alsa is enabled'
make: *** Keine Targets angegeben und keine »make«-Steuerdatei gefunden.  
Schluss.

Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Is Jazz development dead?

[Sean N. H. <sn...@fr...>]

1) Jazz++ is the only available sequencer on Windows that resembles 
Music-X on the Amiga 2000.  For that, I thank the developers and creators.

2) Rosegarden is a setup nightmare.  I've tried running it from various 
distros as a LiveCD, a virtual appliance and as a real install.  In none 
of those instances would Rosegarden generate any audio.  My latest attempt 
was installing 64Studio and while Audacity and other apps worked, 
Rosegarden produced no output despite fiddling with JACK.  The unit was a 
Gateway MX6436 Laptop with upgraded memory, 10k rpm HD, and M-Audio 
MobilePre ASIO2 Audio Interface.

If Jazz++ sees any more developer attention, a nicer mouse-input screen 
in piano-roll view ala Music-X would rock.

-Sean

[Jazzplusplus-user] I can't install jazz++

[Riccardo M. G. <ric...@ya...>]

Hello, first sorry for my terrible English, but I'm Italian.......=0AMy pro=
blem is how install jazz++.=0AI use Ubuntu 7.04 and I get wxwidget (2.26), =
but I can't intall the application because I do not how to  "rebuild.scrip"=
.=0AI'm not a great expert about programming or bash script (just the essen=
tials).=0ASomeone can help me?, 'll be fantastic.=0A=0AHappy new  year=0A=
=0ARiccardo Grigolo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A      ___________________________________=
 =0AL'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mai=
l: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

[Jazzplusplus-user] catapult

[Courtoy A. <ref...@zj...>]

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[Courtoy A. <ref...@zj...>]

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