indic-computing-users — Discussing the usage of indian language capable tools

[Indic-computing-users] Richard Stallman on the Dangers of Software Patents

[Srinath S <sr...@ii...>]

Dear All,

I'm sorry that I have been a dormant member of Indic-computing list. There
is very little I can contribute to Indic computing per se.

In case you are interested, Richard Stallman (of GNU fame) is giving a
speech on the Danger of Software Patents at IIIT Bangalore on Nov 2nd. The
talk is between 11:30 -- 13:00 hrs. You can register for the talk at this
URL http://osl.iiitb.ac.in/stallman-register.php

Hope this would be of help in your research and your projects.

Best Regards
Srinath Srinivasa
Faculty member IIIT-B

[Indic-computing-users] Instant Messengaing in indian languages

[Sayamindu D. <unm...@So...>]

Hi,
I was trying out the latest gaim, and it was quite interesting
http://www.peacefulaction.org/banglaIM.jpg
but, the input pane still shows garbage when you input in indic language
:(
can anybody suggest any possible suggestions ??
also, for indic-language mailing, i tried out balsa, but was not able to
compile it :(
-regds-
sdg

[Indic-computing-users] Wanted volunteers for Indian language solutions...

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Reto of LingoTeach (www.lingoteach.org) says he recently read an article on
GNU/Linux in India "with interest". Reto asks: "Do you know where I can get
linux enthusiast volunteers (don't need to be extremely techinical) for
localization to the Indian languages? I am writing LingoTeach, the GPL
language application (www.lingoteach.org)." Contact re...@re...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

RE: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size

[<a_j...@ya...>]

> For instance in China about 80% plus of the IT
> market is domestic
> and in India it is 20% or less. From the groups
> perspective we need to
> keep in mind end user needs in terms of applications
> that are created to be successful both in terms of
> deployment
> and business success (if one is worried about that).

This question appears to be a FAQ and so 
I have added it the Indic Computing FAQ, along with 
the one answer that I could find, namely Yograj 
Verma's estimate (of Rs 65,260 crores) published 
in the June 24th issue of Dataquest India.

If you folks know of any other, public, surveys 
listing the size of the indian market, could you 
please send me email with a reference?

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[Indic-computing-users] China India IT Comparison : Request for info

[jitendra <jit...@vs...>]

 Anjaneyulu wrote (Nice to feel connected with Anji again)
 "For instance in China about 80% plus of the IT market is ...
 and in India it is 20% or less. From the groups perspectiv...
 keep in mind end user needs in terms of applications
 that are created to be successful both in terms of deployment
 and business success (if one is worried about that)."
>
> It  would be most useful to  know
>
>      what applications constitute the major portion of 80% of chinese
> market.
>      To what extent it is education and related.
>      Is it true that in China most of technical education is in
chinese.
>      Upto what level i.e. High school, college
>      Is the market measured in terms of
>           revenue or
>           usage or
>           funding.
>      How much of the funding and IT production by state institutions.
> how much
>      by private.
>      Does any one know  any  chinese contact(s) or articles on this
> matter.
>
> A cursory google search yielded the following comparison about IT
scene
> in India and China.
> The 80% of  market in China being domestic may mean less if the base
is
> 'minimal' as stated in the statistics below.
> We need to get more realistic picture.
>
>
> ___________________________________________________
> IT Training in China
>
> Based on the national­wide survey in 1998, only 2% of the senior
> engineers received advanced professional skills trainings
> [US: 38%, Japan: 32%, Russia: 29%]
> Only 8.4 people are doing R&D works in every 10,000 people in the
> workforce.
> [Japan: 80 people, US: 74 people]
>
> Take India for another comparison:
>
> India                 China
> No. of Software Companies                 1,000                 5,000
> Domestic Software Sales                     similar
> similar
> Software Export Sales                 100 times China         minimial

> No. of Software Engineers                 25,000
15,000
> Average Engineers per
> Software Companies
> 25                         3
>
> Source: Liao Wang Weekly # ############
>
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> Add: Suite 2208, Silver Tower, #2 North Road, Dongsanhuan,
> Chaoyang District, Beijing 100027, CHINA
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> Fax: +86 (10) 6410 7243
> Email: cal...@8t...
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> Request to '8th Network'  to provide more info.
>
>
>

[Indic-computing-users] Re: "Brahmi Beta" release

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Anitha Gowda wrote:


> Dear all,
> 
> This mail is to inform you all that one of our projects, "Brahmi - Java 
> Indic WordProcessor" is live on the Sourceforge website.
> 
> You can visit our homepage at "http://brahmi.sourceforge.net". Please do 
> visit the homepage and send us your feedback.
> 
> We plan to upload a few more research documents on to our homepage 
> shortly. Please visit again in another few days.
> 
> Waiting for your valuable comments/suggestions 
> 
> Regards,
> Brahmi Team 
> 
> 
> 

[Indic-computing-users] NEWS: Fabulous fonts in Linux

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

Fabulous fonts in Linux
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 10/25/2002 at 06:55 EST

One of the more common disappointments reported about the Linux GUI is
clunky fonts under X. While it's true that they can look pretty rough
out of the box, it's also true that sharpening them up is easy ...

Read more
http://theregus.com/content/4/26770.html
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/apps.html#GUIFONTS
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[Indic-computing-users] Better fonts in GNU/Linux

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

   Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 06:15:02 GMT
   From: "AbdulRahman Aljadhai" <as...@li...>
Subject: Better Fonts on Linux


The Register is running an article on how-to make fonts look better
on Linux. They say it is easy to do so. Screenshots looks very good:

http://theregus.com/content/4/26770.html

-ASJ

[Indic-computing-users] Re: Size of Indian Language Computing Market?

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...>]

  Dear Anjaneyulu,

Well! I was the person who mentioned about the market size issue. Here 
is the  conttact you can speak to, I spoke to her if you would give my 
reference then she would know. The project is sponsored by MAIT.


Mrunmayi Atre
Research Analyst-Information Technology Practice
Frost & Sullivan, Mumbai
http://www.frost.com
email: ma...@fr...
Phone no: 8324705 extn 16


best

vijay

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>   2. RE: Size of Indian Language Computing Market? (Ashish Kotamkar)
>   3. Re: gujarati OCR Software (Frederick Noronha)
>   4. Market Size (ve...@vs...)
>   5. Trouble with encoding (Shashank Ashtikar)
>   6. Re: Market Size (Nagarjuna G.)
>   7. Re: Trouble with encoding (Guntupalli Karunakar)
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>Message: 1
>From: ve...@vs...
>To: ind...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Indic-computing-users] Size of Indian Language Computing Market?
>Cc: 
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:20:33 +0530 (IST)
>
>Dear Anjaneyulu,
>
>Frankly, I don't think it is premature at all. How can anyone taking a business decision (as opposed to a tech decision) invest in a market he/she knows nothing about? People like us may do this work out of love but for commercial organizations, sizing the market is critical in terms of deciding how much time and effort to invest. 
>
>Some people argue that since it is too early, there is no point in trying to size the market. That's akin to flying blind! It is better to create a working hypothesis and keep correcting it as more facts come to light. I'll check with MAIT (www.mait.com) for more information.
>
>Venky
>
>
>
>an...@in... wrote
>
>During the Indic workshop someone had mentioned that there was
>a study carried out by a Mumbai agency on the size of the Indian
>Language Computing market. Though it was discussed and felt that 
>it was 'premature' to talk about market size I would like to try
>to get hold of any inputs from that study.
>
>Can someone point me to the study or who has done it.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Anjaneyulu
>HP Labs India
>
>
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>Message: 2
>From: "Ashish Kotamkar" <as...@mi...>
>To: <ind...@so...>
>Subject: RE: [Indic-computing-users] Size of Indian Language Computing Market?
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:26:29 +0530
>
>I would think it is not about the market being premature, but more about the
>dearth of any qualified survey/research as to the actual size of business.
>The estimates vary from 20 crores to 65000 crores (DQ cover story). We all
>know there is a potentially huge market out there, but its dormant and
>fragmented. It hasn't seen a scorching growth yet. No one really knows when
>and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this
>market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance
>programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale. Industry also has
>a stake in this and needs to concentrate on developing serious applications
>and productizing them, rather than focussing on the fonts customers.
>
>Ashish
>
>  
>
>>Dear Anjaneyulu,
>>
>>Frankly, I don't think it is premature at all. How can anyone
>>taking a business decision (as opposed to a tech decision) invest
>>in a market he/she knows nothing about? People like us may do
>>this work out of love but for commercial organizations, sizing
>>the market is critical in terms of deciding how much time and
>>effort to invest.
>>
>>Some people argue that since it is too early, there is no point
>>in trying to size the market. That's akin to flying blind! It is
>>better to create a working hypothesis and keep correcting it as
>>more facts come to light. I'll check with MAIT (www.mait.com) for
>>more information.
>>
>>Venky
>>
>>
>>
>>an...@in... wrote
>>
>>During the Indic workshop someone had mentioned that there was
>>a study carried out by a Mumbai agency on the size of the Indian
>>Language Computing market. Though it was discussed and felt that
>>it was 'premature' to talk about market size I would like to try
>>to get hold of any inputs from that study.
>>
>>Can someone point me to the study or who has done it.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Anjaneyulu
>>HP Labs India
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:00:47 +0530 (IST)
>From: Frederick Noronha <fr...@by...>
>To: svp...@ad...
>cc: Ind...@li...
>Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Re: gujarati OCR Software
>
>Does anyone have a solution for this please? FN
>
>On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 svp...@ad... wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>Dear Sir,
>>
>>We belong to Aditya birla group situated at Baroda,Gujrat
>>We have constantly requirment to create the document in gujrati and we
>>are
>>fining dufficult to write due to no of pages generally remain too large
>>So We have a requirment of software which can scan the gujrati document
>>as
>>well as  can edit the scanned document according to our requirment
>>(means
>>can create OCR)
>>If you can help us in this area it will be highly appreciated
>>Looking forward for reply
>>Thanks and Regards
>>Sanjay Patel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>From: ve...@vs...
>To: ind...@so...
>Cc: 
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:15:13 +0530 (IST)
>Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size
>
>Dear Ashish,
>
>I agree that it's difficult to predict the size of the market and it is exasperating. We need hard facts and data to argue our case for Indic Computing. I therefore welcome surveys like this. It may be like groping in the dark but the effort to size the market is something that can lead to a better understanding of ground realities. It is also useful from a policy and advocacy standpoint. 
>
>Venky
>=====
>
>
>Ashish wrote:
>
>No one really knows when and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale.
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:44:24 +0530
>To: ind...@li...
>From: Shashank Ashtikar <sha...@hb...>
>Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Trouble with encoding
>
>
>Hi,
>
>After recieving replies abt how to add extra glyphs and substitutuon rules. I decided
>to create a completely new font using the akruti glyphs. So what i am doing is I open
>two fonts in pfaedit one is a new font file(which is blank) and other one is the akruti font
>file. Now every time I paste a glyph to the new font, New font's encoding changes
>from ISO 10646-1(Unicode,BMP) to CUSTOM automatically. So I hv to change encoding everytime I
>copy a glyph to the new font. Why is this happening and how this can be fixed.
>
>
>Shashank
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:08:46 +0530
>To: ve...@vs...
>Cc: ind...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size
>From: "Nagarjuna G." <nag...@hb...>
>
>On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 05:15:13PM +0530, ve...@vs... wrote:
>  
>
>>Dear Ashish,
>>
>>I agree that it's difficult to predict the size of the market and it
>>is exasperating. We need hard facts and data to argue our case for
>>Indic Computing. I therefore welcome surveys like this. It may be like
>>groping in the dark but the effort to size the market is something
>>that can lead to a better understanding of ground realities. It is
>>also useful from a policy and advocacy standpoint.
>>    
>>
>
>We need not worry about the market size at all.  We should worry about
>ethics.  It is good and necessary to have indic-computing solutions
>and therefore we should go ahead.  Imagine, if the so called survey
>gave us a negative feedback, are we going to stop working? No, we will
>continue, by finding alternate justification.  We will create demand
>and begin to supply.  We can as agents change the market too!
>
>Nagarjuna
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Venky
>>=====
>>
>>
>>Ashish wrote:
>>
>>No one really knows when and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale.
>>
>>
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RE: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size

[Baiju M <mal...@ya...>]

--- K S R Anjaneyulu <an...@in...> wrote:
> 
> I think someone needs to worry about the market and it would
> be
> simplistic to say that it does not matter. 

Hackers never used worry about market, their
main aim is to solve problems (yes problems of this world).


>However, there is
> a chicken and egg problem. We need to create applications and
> get a feel of how useful they are to really determine the
> market
> size.

This is attitude of some private companies.
But this project is completly run by hackers.

> 
> For instance in China about 80% plus of the IT market is
> domestic
> and in India it is 20% or less. From the groups perspective we
> need to
> keep in mind end user needs in terms of applications
> that are created to be successful both in terms of deployment
> and business success (if one is worried about that).

Again real hackers never look into this kind of things.


Regards,
Baiju M


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RE: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size

[K S R A. <an...@in...>]

I think someone needs to worry about the market and it would be
simplistic to say that it does not matter. However, there is
a chicken and egg problem. We need to create applications and
get a feel of how useful they are to really determine the market
size.

For instance in China about 80% plus of the IT market is domestic
and in India it is 20% or less. From the groups perspective we need to
keep in mind end user needs in terms of applications
that are created to be successful both in terms of deployment
and business success (if one is worried about that).

Anjaneyulu


-----Original Message-----
From: ind...@li...
[mailto:ind...@li...]On Behalf Of
Nagarjuna G.
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:09 PM
To: ve...@vs...
Cc: ind...@li...
Subject: Re: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size


On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 05:15:13PM +0530, ve...@vs... wrote:
> Dear Ashish,
>
> I agree that it's difficult to predict the size of the market and it
> is exasperating. We need hard facts and data to argue our case for
> Indic Computing. I therefore welcome surveys like this. It may be like
> groping in the dark but the effort to size the market is something
> that can lead to a better understanding of ground realities. It is
> also useful from a policy and advocacy standpoint.

We need not worry about the market size at all.  We should worry about
ethics.  It is good and necessary to have indic-computing solutions
and therefore we should go ahead.  Imagine, if the so called survey
gave us a negative feedback, are we going to stop working? No, we will
continue, by finding alternate justification.  We will create demand
and begin to supply.  We can as agents change the market too!

Nagarjuna





> Venky
> =====
>
>
> Ashish wrote:
>
> No one really knows when and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a
vital role in growing this market sizeably when it launches serious
statewide/nationwide e-governance programmes with plans for replicating them
on large scale.
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Trouble with encoding

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:44:24 +0530
Shashank Ashtikar <sha...@hb...> wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> After recieving replies abt how to add extra glyphs and substitutuon
> rules. I decided to create a completely new font using the akruti
> glyphs. So what i am doing is I open two fonts in pfaedit one is a
> new font file(which is blank) and other one is the akruti font file.
> Now every time I paste a glyph to the new font, New font's encoding
> changes from ISO 10646-1(Unicode,BMP) to CUSTOM automatically. So I
> hv to change encoding everytime I copy a glyph to the new font. Why
> is this happening and how this can be fixed.
> 
  Paste all the glyphs in one go,  make needed composite glyphs,
regroup the glyphs ie bring all glyphs needed for unicode range
together, conjuncts , half forms etc together.  Then go about encoding
the glyphs. 

Regards,
Karunakar

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Market Size

[Nagarjuna G. <nag...@hb...>]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 05:15:13PM +0530, ve...@vs... wrote:
> Dear Ashish,
> 
> I agree that it's difficult to predict the size of the market and it
> is exasperating. We need hard facts and data to argue our case for
> Indic Computing. I therefore welcome surveys like this. It may be like
> groping in the dark but the effort to size the market is something
> that can lead to a better understanding of ground realities. It is
> also useful from a policy and advocacy standpoint.

We need not worry about the market size at all.  We should worry about
ethics.  It is good and necessary to have indic-computing solutions
and therefore we should go ahead.  Imagine, if the so called survey
gave us a negative feedback, are we going to stop working? No, we will
continue, by finding alternate justification.  We will create demand
and begin to supply.  We can as agents change the market too!

Nagarjuna





> Venky
> =====
> 
> 
> Ashish wrote:
> 
> No one really knows when and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale.
> 
> 
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[Indic-computing-users] Trouble with encoding

[Shashank A. <sha...@hb...>]

Hi,

After recieving replies abt how to add extra glyphs and substitutuon rules. I decided
to create a completely new font using the akruti glyphs. So what i am doing is I open
two fonts in pfaedit one is a new font file(which is blank) and other one is the akruti font
file. Now every time I paste a glyph to the new font, New font's encoding changes
from ISO 10646-1(Unicode,BMP) to CUSTOM automatically. So I hv to change encoding everytime I
copy a glyph to the new font. Why is this happening and how this can be fixed.


Shashank

[Indic-computing-users] Market Size

[<ve...@vs...>]

Dear Ashish,

I agree that it's difficult to predict the size of the market and it is exasperating. We need hard facts and data to argue our case for Indic Computing. I therefore welcome surveys like this. It may be like groping in the dark but the effort to size the market is something that can lead to a better understanding of ground realities. It is also useful from a policy and advocacy standpoint. 

Venky
=====


Ashish wrote:

No one really knows when and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale.

[Indic-computing-users] Re: gujarati OCR Software

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

Does anyone have a solution for this please? FN

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 svp...@ad... wrote:


> Dear Sir,
> 
> We belong to Aditya birla group situated at Baroda,Gujrat
> We have constantly requirment to create the document in gujrati and we
> are
> fining dufficult to write due to no of pages generally remain too large
> So We have a requirment of software which can scan the gujrati document
> as
> well as  can edit the scanned document according to our requirment
> (means
> can create OCR)
> If you can help us in this area it will be highly appreciated
> Looking forward for reply
> Thanks and Regards
> Sanjay Patel
> 

RE: [Indic-computing-users] Size of Indian Language Computing Market?

[Ashish K. <as...@mi...>]

I would think it is not about the market being premature, but more about the
dearth of any qualified survey/research as to the actual size of business.
The estimates vary from 20 crores to 65000 crores (DQ cover story). We all
know there is a potentially huge market out there, but its dormant and
fragmented. It hasn't seen a scorching growth yet. No one really knows when
and how it will grow big. The govt. would play a vital role in growing this
market sizeably when it launches serious statewide/nationwide e-governance
programmes with plans for replicating them on large scale. Industry also has
a stake in this and needs to concentrate on developing serious applications
and productizing them, rather than focussing on the fonts customers.

Ashish

> Dear Anjaneyulu,
>
> Frankly, I don't think it is premature at all. How can anyone
> taking a business decision (as opposed to a tech decision) invest
> in a market he/she knows nothing about? People like us may do
> this work out of love but for commercial organizations, sizing
> the market is critical in terms of deciding how much time and
> effort to invest.
>
> Some people argue that since it is too early, there is no point
> in trying to size the market. That's akin to flying blind! It is
> better to create a working hypothesis and keep correcting it as
> more facts come to light. I'll check with MAIT (www.mait.com) for
> more information.
>
> Venky
>
>
>
> an...@in... wrote
>
> During the Indic workshop someone had mentioned that there was
> a study carried out by a Mumbai agency on the size of the Indian
> Language Computing market. Though it was discussed and felt that
> it was 'premature' to talk about market size I would like to try
> to get hold of any inputs from that study.
>
> Can someone point me to the study or who has done it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anjaneyulu
> HP Labs India
>

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Size of Indian Language Computing Market?

[<ve...@vs...>]

Dear Anjaneyulu,

Frankly, I don't think it is premature at all. How can anyone taking a business decision (as opposed to a tech decision) invest in a market he/she knows nothing about? People like us may do this work out of love but for commercial organizations, sizing the market is critical in terms of deciding how much time and effort to invest. 

Some people argue that since it is too early, there is no point in trying to size the market. That's akin to flying blind! It is better to create a working hypothesis and keep correcting it as more facts come to light. I'll check with MAIT (www.mait.com) for more information.

Venky



an...@in... wrote

During the Indic workshop someone had mentioned that there was
a study carried out by a Mumbai agency on the size of the Indian
Language Computing market. Though it was discussed and felt that 
it was 'premature' to talk about market size I would like to try
to get hold of any inputs from that study.

Can someone point me to the study or who has done it.

Thanks.

Anjaneyulu
HP Labs India



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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unicode

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

--- Viveka Nathan K <vi...@la...> wrote:
> 
> I did that export also. We have the iscii based translations, only for
> KOFFICE
> 
> GK:}or better still do a 
> GK:}  $ strace kword 2> /tmp/msg.log
> GK:}  and go through /tmp/msg.log to see if the Hindi mo files are
> GK:}accessed ?
> 
> I did that, it loads the mo files also.
> still all are boxes.

You need to setup font from KDE control centre:
Go to
  kcontrol -> Look&Feel -> Fonts

There set fonts for Menu, Toolbar, etc. to Raghindi font

> As I said in my previous mail, after converting iscii to unicode,
> for each iscii character, there are 3 characters available in
> unicode based po files. Is that the reason ?
> Will the application  accept 2 by 2 bytes for each input ?

You are getting 3 characters because in UTF-8 sequence each Indic Unicode
character is stored in 3 bytes. Read UTF-8 FAQ for more detail on UTF-8.

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html

- Keyur


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unicode

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:55:34 +0530 (IST)
Viveka Nathan K <vi...@la...> wrote:

> 
>  I used the isc2unicode convertor to convert the po file from iscii
>  to unicode. What  I found is, for each iscii character, there are 
>  3 characters (unicode). Why it is like that ?
>   
>  For example, a word in iscii encoding has 6 characters, but after
>  converted it into unicode, there are 18 characters. what is the
>  reason ?
> 
 Unicode characters are stored in UTF-8 , for Indic range it takes 3
bytes for a character. Read  man utf-8 for more on how the encoding is
done

Regards,
Karunakar

[Indic-computing-users] Size of Indian Language Computing Market?

[K S R A. <an...@in...>]

During the Indic workshop someone had mentioned that there was
a study carried out by a Mumbai agency on the size of the Indian
Language Computing market. Though it was discussed and felt that 
it was 'premature' to talk about market size I would like to try
to get hold of any inputs from that study.

Can someone point me to the study or who has done it.

Thanks.

Anjaneyulu
HP Labs India

Re: [Indic-computing-users] unicode

[Viveka N. K <vi...@la...>]

GK:} Well since raghu font doesnt have english glyphs, wherever english is
GK:}there you will get boxes, you have to also set the locale to hi_IN
GK:}before starting the application
GK:} eg after setting the font explicitly
GK:}  $ export LANG=hi_IN
GK:}  $ kword &                  or whatever application you have set the
GK:}font for & have the translations in unicode.

I did that export also. We have the iscii based translations, only for
KOFFICE

GK:}or better still do a 
GK:}  $ strace kword 2> /tmp/msg.log
GK:}  and go through /tmp/msg.log to see if the Hindi mo files are
GK:}accessed ?

I did that, it loads the mo files also.
still all are boxes.
As I said in my previous mail, after converting iscii to unicode,
for each iscii character, there are 3 characters available in
unicode based po files. Is that the reason ?
Will the application  accept 2 by 2 bytes for each input ?


GK:}
GK:}Regards,
GK:}Karunakar
GK:}

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] unicode

[Viveka N. K <vi...@la...>]

 I used the isc2unicode convertor to convert the po file from iscii
 to unicode. What  I found is, for each iscii character, there are 
 3 characters (unicode). Why it is like that ?
  
 For example, a word in iscii encoding has 6 characters, but after
 converted it into unicode, there are 18 characters. what is the
 reason ?

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Help needed for modifying Akruti Devnagari font.

[Sayamindu D. <unm...@So...>]

On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 11:44, Baiju M wrote:
> 
> --- Sayamindu Dasgupta <unm...@So...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 07:51, Arun M wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > We are working on linux localisation in HBCSE under
> > guidance of Mr.
> > > > > Nagarjuna. We hv been able to partially transform the
> > font to unicode
> > > > > mapping. Although we could not figure out where to place
> > the glyphs
> > > > > required for jodaksharas as no positions are specified
> > for them. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Unicode standard only defines the base characters and
> > for
> > > > yuktakshars you need to add open type tables (ie, convert
> > the fonts into
> > > > OTF)
> > > > for OTF creation, you would need M$ Volt (does any Free
> > alternative
> > > > exist??)
> > > 
> > > PfaEdit.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > how do you handle the features in there ??
> 
> Infact PfaEdit can use for making working OpenType font for any
> indian language, but now it will not assign the standared
> features for indian languages (registred by Microsoft).
> So after making a rough OTF font by using PfaEdit, 
> you can manually edit the tables after dumping the 
> font to XML by using TTX. (I mentioned about these things in a
> prvious mail, please look into that)
> 

..goody - i will look into that
until now, i had been running M$ Volt under Wine :P
-sdg-

[Indic-computing-users] NEWS: Free Bangla Fonts 0.5.0 (Akaash)

[Frederick N. <fr...@by...>]

[029] - Free Bangla Fonts 0.5.0 (Akaash)
  by Sayamindu Dasupta (http://freshmeat.net/users/unmadindu/)
  Monday, October 21st 2002 15:22

Desktop Environment :: Fonts

About: The Free Bangla Fonts project is a volunteer run project dedicated
for creating Free, high quality, completely Unicode compliant Open Type
Bengali fonts. This project aims to be the central resource for getting
and developing Free Bengali fonts. The initial aim of this project is to
release a full set of Bengali fonts that supports all the major Bengali
Yuktakhars (conjuncts).

License: GNU General Public License (GPL)

URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/freebangfont/

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