indic-computing-users — Discussing the usage of indian language capable tools

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[naveen n. <nav...@ho...>]

Hi all,

The Indian Language Technology Solutions Project is pleased to announce the 
availability of two more Kannada opentype fonts named "Kedage" and "Mallige" 
by next month.
While Mallige is a handwritten font Kedage is a regular font with much 
better glyphs compared to Sampige font.
We are in the process of fixing few errors identified with Sampige while 
using on Java platform and would be happy if any of you would volunteer to 
fix the same.
We thank all the users of Sampige font and wish them much better kannada 
computing using the new fonts to be released on the following website 
http://brahmi.sourceforge.net
We would be happy to e-mail beta copies of the fonts on request.

Naveen
Indian Language Technology Solutions Project
Dept. of Management Studies
Indian Institute of Science
Bangalore


>From: LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...>
>Reply-To: lin...@bh...
>To: ind...@li...
>Subject: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:38:12 +0530
>
>dear all,
>
>any site that provides an engine:
>you type or upload text in english, and out comes machine-processed hindi?
>
>any other indic translation-related sites, software, engines...?
>
>indic to indic.
>indic to others.
>and back.
>
>?
>
>also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries? you 
>type
>or upload a word, and a translated meaning is outputted?
>
>?
>LL
>
>
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[Indic-computing-users] DrGeo in indian languages!

[Hilaire F. <hi...@ex...>]

WAKE UP !=20
Time to translate properly DrGeo in Indian languages.

Mr Jitendra Shah already sent me .po files of Indian languages but these
files need to be largely updated (I think the Marathi is already in good
shape). Whoever is reponsible to update the language files, contact me
directly so I can send you directly your updated file to translate, it
is important I send you an updated file otherwise your translation may
be only partial. To this date there are abot 426 messages, if updated in
regular basis it is little job, only the first shot is painfull.

Regards,=20

Hilaire



On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:49:12 +0530
jnshah <jn...@bo...> wrote:

      Dear Hilaire and all,
      We are Final year BE Computer students from VJTI mumbai working under
      Prof. Jitendra Shah on project named L10N & I18N
      We are trying to localize drgenius in marathi,one of the prominent In=
dian
      langugae.
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      We are attempting to port drgenius to gnome2 as per suggestion of Hil=
aire .
      However to make the existing version localised, we did the following.
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       Please help and suggest ways out.
      We followed following steps:
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      1. We took  drgenius.pot and translated the messages in the same in
      Marathi (an Indian language with mr_IN as international name),  file =
in
      8-bit ISCII format
      2. Then we unzipped drgenius-0.8.3.tar.gz to  a  location.
      3. Then we added "mr" to ALL_LINGUA in ./configure script
      4. We followed normal installation procedure (./configure, make,make=
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      install)
      5. After installation we got drgenius.gmo in
              /usr/local/share/locale/mr/LC_MESSAGES/
      We hoped this would work. It didnot.
     =20
          But we didn't know how to switch from default "english"
          language to "mr" We noted that "hi" was built in.
           We changed locale to mr. Still it didnot work.
     =20
           So we copied that file to
                  /usr/share/locale/hi/LC_MESSAGES/
          i.e. to system locale directory
          Next we changed locale from en_US to hi
          when we executed drgenius
          blanks were seen instead of translated messages. Thuis it appeared
          that our translated file was being accessed and ascii characters=
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      therin were being read but
           only non-ascii characters were not displayed.
           We tried to copy fonts at various places. Fonts are isciidev.ttf=
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           We tried to place the same in
           /usr/share/fonts/indic/TrueType
           /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
           ~/.fonts
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           visible to drgenius ?
           We are able to use isciidev.ttf in
            gedit
            kate
            kwrite
            kword
                  That means it is being installed
             Then why drgenius is not able to find it?
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[Indic-computing-users] Re: [Tugindia] Kannada and LaTeX (fwd)

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

>From the TUG-India list. FN

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> 
> I have been trying for quite sometime to use Kannada Fonts in MiKTeX but
> in vain. It will be great if any of you can explain me the procedure
> (download and installation).

We are working at KannadaTeX and are almost ready for public release. We 
have created three new metafonts for kannada and the coding is done in 
such a way that one could use the freely available baraha ttf fonts also. 
I shall send a sample of our output to you directly. 

If anyone else on the list is interested in KannadaTeX please let me know.

Regards......................yoga

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[Indic-computing-users] The 300-million question: how to spread literacy in India... and fast

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

THE 300-MILLION QUESTION: HOW TO SPREAD LITERACY IN INDIA... AND FAST

>From Frederick Noronha

WHAT DO you do with a population of close to 300 million iliterates, who can
speak their native languages, but cannot read or write in them? Do we see
them merely as empty stomachs, and a burden on the nation? Or, is this an
untapped potential, which can be converted into 600 million useful hands?

If a project by premier Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) can find the right
partners, and hit critical mass, then this large section could be converted
into productive individuals who can read signboards. Maybe even the simple
text of a newspaper in under 40 hours of learning-time.

Retired Major General B G Shively's recent mission to the Goa port town of
Vasco da Gama saw him take on an unusual enemy -- illiteracy. It also took
to India's smallest state an innovative campaign that brings enticingly near
the dream of making India literate.

Says Pune-based Shively: "Every adult has inborn qualities (and
intelligence). You only have to activate it." 

This military-man now consulting advisor to the Tata Consultancy Services'
literacy plan suggests that the computer can turn into a magic wand of
sorts, to spread reading skills without the need for a huge army of
teachers. 

Quite some work has already been done by TCS in Andhra Pradesh, with Telugu.
Hindi, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil and Bengali are the other languages worked on.
Gujarati is shaping up.

What's more, there's an added bonus: India could become functionally
literate in just three to four years time, if -- and this is a big if --
this method is vigorously implemented.

How does it work? Simple. The software giant TCS is using low-end computers
to take out the monotony from teaching, piggy-backing on the initiatives
already undertaken by the National Literacy Mission, and treating adults
very differently from children when it comes to teaching them.

Some rules: don't make an adult sit for tests. Don't get caught up with
writing, as the difficulties involved acts as a major disincentive. Reading
skills are most important. Adults can't be made to study alphabets the same
way children unquestioningly take to it.

"One-third of our population -- old, young and adults -- are illiterate.
Some 150-200 million are adult illiterates between 15-50 years. Illiteracy
is a major social concern," says Shively.

Growing at 1.3% per annum roughly, literacy is creeping in just too slowly
to make a difference for India's efficiency. That's where, says TCS,
computers come in.

Software generated by TCS, which is given to volunteer groups free-of-cost,
tries to teach adults to learn to read a language by words, rather than the
traditional method of learning by alphabets.

In the Goa Shipyard Limited, one of India's military-run building centres,
the concept recently drew interest. Sixty workers signed-up to learn the
most important of the 3 Rs. Andhra is however the state where this project
has made the most progress.

"There's almost nothing the teacher has to speak. Everything is in the
software. So teachers can run 5-6 classes (one-hour) classes in a day,
without getting tired. You don't need a trained teacher (because of the
software)," says Shively.

In 40-hours flat, an illiterate could be turned into a 'functional
literate', claims the major-general. This would enable one to read simple
newspaper headlines, check out bus directions, read signboards and the like.
Hopefully, such skills could be deepened over time.

Their ideas are put out on the site www.tataliteracy.com, and the TCS is
claiming a good response even from a few industrial groups wanting to gift
their workers with literacy.

To avoid reinventing the wheel, the TCS -- which sees this venture as part
of its philanthropic endeavours -- is working in tandem with the
government-run National Literacy Mission primers.

So what happens if literacy comes in 40 hours, instead of 200? Drop-out
rates are low. It wouldn't take India another 20-25 years to touch 90%
literacy (three to four years are enough, says TCS), and the 'demotivating
factors' are knocked off. Trained teachers are no longer the bottleneck. 

EFFECTIVE LINKAGES

This project has been talked about for some time now. This writer recalls
first reading about it sometime in mid-2000. Perhaps it has not been able to
spread far and wide, because of a lack of effective linkages with other
individuals who could take it ahead. Particularly non-profit organisations,
and corporates who share this vision. Also, having the software under the
GPL (General Public License) could perhaps make it easily sharable,
improvable, and yet make clear the major contribution put in by the TCS. 

It perhaps makes good sense to take on computers as an ally in fighting
iliiteracy. We have a huge problem: Nearly 350 million Indians cannot read
or write.  Of these, about 200 million are adult illiterates...

Even five-and-half decades after Independence we have not been able to
tackle this problem. Comparing China with India, TCS argues that "apart from
other factors that build the economy, it would appear that the level of
literacy affects the economy in many dimensions". Between 1990 and 2000,
India's literacy crept up from 52.5 per cent to just 65.5 per cent. In this
time, China's grew from 73 to 92 per cent. Malaysia's literacy touches 87$,
Thailand's is 95%, and that of South Korea, 99%. 

In ten years, over the nineties, India's literacy rate showed only a ten per
cent increase. "At this rate, it will take at least another 30 years to
reach a literacy level fo 90-95%", argues TCS. To come out with an
innovative solution, a team lead by F.C.Kohli -- along with Prof P N Murthy
and Prof K V Nori -- has been studying the how to make a low-cost,
technology-based effective solution to India's literacy problems.

This method's goals are to give a 300-500 word vocabulary to learners in
their own languages. (As noted above, five major Indian languages are
currently covered. Many more are waiting to be done.) This skill could
enable them to read a simple newspaper.

The idea is to help adult learns build an association between sounds and
their graphic presentation. Familiar words -- and their written forms -- are
broken down into syllables and the written form, finally ending in the
alphabet and their sounds. The focus is on learning words rather than
alphabets.

Explains TCS: "This method focuses on reading, the most important of the 3
Rs in literacy. Once this is achieved, a person can accelerate learning to
the other Rs through the use of the reading skill. In other words, the
reading ability is expected to act as a trigger to develop the full measure
of literacy."

CBFL, or Computer-Based Functional Literacy as the TCS calls it, an
interesting but not-adequately noticed project from the Tata Group, claims
it can make "90% of India functionally literate in three to five years".

It uses animated graphics and a voice-over to explain how individual
alphabets combine to give structure and meaning to various words. It is
designed from education material developed by the National Literacy. The
CBFL method employs puppets or lively images as the motif in the teaching
process.

Lessons are tailored to fit different languages. They focus on reading, and
are based on the theories of cognition, language and communication. "With
the emphasis on learning words rather than alphabets, the project addresses
thought processes with the objective of teaching these words in as short a
time span as possible. The settings for the lessons are visually stimulating
and crafted in a manner that learners can easily relate to (the puppet-show
idiom)," say the project promoters.

Voiceovers reinforce the learner's ability to grasp the lessons easily, and
repetition adds to the strengthening of what is learned. The method is
implemented by using computers and 'flashcards' (small cards, with the
alphabets written on them). The computer delivers the lessons ('shows') in
multimedia form to the learners. The flashcards, which have letters printed
on them, support the process by fortifying what has been absorbed and by
helping beneficiaries memorise what they have learnt.

Claimed advantages of this approach include:

* Acceleration in the pace of 'learning to read' (it takes about one-third
of the time that writing-oriented methods require).

* Flexibility in adjusting to individual learning speeds.

* Lower dropout rates in comparison with other adult literacy
programmes.

* Does not require trained teachers or large-scale infrastructure.

* Can be conducted on computers with configurations as low as 486
(these are the kind of machines that many organisations can afford to give
away).

* Can effectively enhance existing adult-literacy programmes.

* The multimedia format ensures that the pronounication of the
words/letters is taught accurately through the system, rather than being
left to individual teachers. This is particularly useful for languages like
Tamil, where the same letter can be pronounced differently (based on the
context). See http://www.tataliteracy.com/how_it_works.htm

Other initiatives to battle the huge problem of illiteracy are also
underway. Some time back, Atanu Dey <at...@ar...> was involved
with raising funds for a few primary schools run in rural Andhra Pradesh
(see www.indiarural.org). 

"For the cost of training one student in IIT (India's prestigious centres of
engineering higher education) for one year, we can provide basic literacy
skills and a midday meal for 200 students for a year," says Dey who was at
the University of California in Berkeley (http://are.berkeley.edu/~atanu)

Then, there has also been CALP -- which uses puzzles, games and things which
would interest the young mind while in the background teaching the language.
It has been made by Pratham, for CRY (http://www.pratham.org/nwprogs.htm)

For a lot more information, check out the National Literacy Mission's site
nlm.nic.in which also offers a link to various technical software on which
language solutions can be built (tdil.mit.gov.in)

This ties up with with the initiative of educationists like Brij Kothari, of
IIM-Ahmedabad. Kothari's emphasis is on strengthening the skills of
neo-literates, by using same-language subtitling for the lyrics of popular
television filmi songs so popular across the country.

This software runs even on earlier-generation higher-end 486 PCs with 16 MB
RAM and free hard-disk space of half a GB or more. Multimedia support is
needed for the speakers. Their goal? Accelerating adult literacy in Idia
through the effective use of IT. 

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Please use as an enclosed box:
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Some links you might find useful:
 
Maj Gen B G Shively, AVSM (Retd)
Consulting Advisor, Tata Consultancy Services, Pune
bsh...@pu...
 
Anthony Lobo, TCS, Air India Bldg, 10th Floor,
Nariman Point, Mumbai 400021 Tel 56689378
ant...@mu...
 
National Literacy Mission (India) site
http://nlm.nic.in
 
http://www.tataliteracy.com 
Site explaining the TCS idea of promoting functional literacy through
low-end computers.
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[Indic-computing-users] NEWS: U.S. Keralites, click and learn your mother tongue

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

U.S. Keralites, click and learn your mother tongue

By Sanu George, Indo-Asian News Service

Thiruvananthapuram, Aug 21 (IANS) Coming up is a website that will help
second and third generation Malayalees in the U.S. learn their mother
tongue.

The site on Malayalam is set to be launched by the Federation of Kerala
Associations in North America (FoKANA).

Kerala Chief Minister A.K. Antony will inaugurate it Friday at the start of
the two-day FoKANA Convention in Kovalam near here.

"The site is basically meant to educate the Keralite Americans who
are now losing touch with their mother tongue," said George Koshy, president
of  FoKANA.

"We attach a lot of significance to this and have made 'mathurbasha' (or
mother tongue) the first topic of our two-day convention."

Through the website, FoKANA is planning on-line classes, tutorials and also
interactions with leading Malayalam literary figures.

This is the second time FoKANA is hosting an international convention in
Kerala. The first was in Kochi in 2001.

Around 1,000 members, along with their families, are expected to take part.

"We expected more but due to SARS, a large number has stayed away," said
Abey Kuriakose, Kerala coordinator of the convention.

The second day of the event will see a business session with discussions on
cash rich Keralites in the U.S. investing in their native state.

"Even though the new generation of Keralites in the U.S. is not very keen to
come back, the older generation does wish to return and invest here. But
they require strong assurances from the government that red tape and
bureaucracy will not be an impediment," said Kuriakose.

The second day will also include a session for youths and a discussion on
healthcare. The convention is to end with a cultural programme.

The Kerala government which is looking towards private initiatives and
investment attaches a lot of importance to the event and eight state
ministers will attend the meet.

The first FoKANA convention was held in 1983 in New York and since then it
has become an active organisation in North America and, of late, in Kerala
as well.

--Indo-Asian News Service

[Indic-computing-users] SITEWATCH: http://www.indictrans.org/links.html

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

A site to work towards Indian language solutions. FN

URL             :  http://www.indictrans.org/links.html

   [1]Register Now

   [2]Goal

   [3]An Appeal

   [4]Article

   [5]Tools & Techniques

   [6]Fonts

   [7]Indian Language Applications

   [8]Education Applications

   [9]Progress

   [10]Downloads

   [11]Discussion Forum 

   [12]Photo gallery

   [13]Dictionaries

   E-books

   [14]Evaluation Reports

   [15]How Tos

   [16]To-Do 

   [17]Credits

   [18]Contact us

   [19]Human resources

   [20]Institutional resources
   
   Software resources
   

References

   1. http://www.indictrans.org/Register/English/reg.html
   2. http://www.indictrans.org/goal_files/English/goal.htm
   3. http://www.indictrans.org/appeals/English/appeal.html
   4. http://www.indictrans.org/Articles/English/links.html
   5. http://www.indictrans.org/Toolsntech/English/tech.html
   6. http://www.indictrans.org/Fonts_files/English/f0.html
   7. http://www.indictrans.org/ILAppli/English/appli.html
   8. http://www.indictrans.org/Eduappli/English/eappli.htm
   9. http://www.indictrans.org/Progress/English/progress.html
  10. http://www.indictrans.org/Downloads/English/download.html
  11. http://www.indictrans.org/contact_files/English/contact.htm
  12. http://www.indictrans.org/Gallery/English/gallery.htm
  13. http://www.indictrans.org/Dictionaries/English/dict.htm
  14. http://www.indictrans.org/Reports/English/reports.htm
  15. http://www.indictrans.org/Howto/English/howto.htm
  16. http://www.indictrans.org/Todo/English/todo.htm
  17. http://www.indictrans.org/Credits/English/credit.htm
  18. http://www.indictrans.org/contact_files/English/contact.htm
  19. http://www.indictrans.org/Resources/English/resources.htm
  20. http://www.indictrans.org/InstResources/English/instresources.htm

[Indic-computing-users] Indic scripts... interest from an artist

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

I'd like to introduce my artist friend Venantius Pinto, who has an 
interest in Indic scripts... FN
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Dear Philomena+Gilbert,
Does your book have examples of the scripts which you mention in the
article-Braj, Magahi, Marwan, Mythoi. Also, Did Braj really have its own
script?s

I am interested in scripts as a drawn form in the sense that one may
interact with alphabets in an autotelic way. I have recently finished
drawings of four entire scripts-Tamil, Halle Kannada, Thamudic and Southern
Arabian. So an answer to my question above would be much appreciated. BTW,
I am now working on Aramaic, Brahmi, Kharosthi, Ugaritic( a cuneiform
writing system similar to that employed by the Sumerians, Assyrians,
Babylonians, etc) and learning/drawing Modi. One project of this body of
work involves creating involved drawings of all scripts directly decended
from Brahmi. The others would be Gupta, Sarada, Nagari, Devnagiri, Bengali,
Oriya, Landa, Gurmukhi, Takri, Kashmiri,  Gujarati, Kalinga, Grantha,
Sinhala, Kadamba, Malyalam, Kannada and Telegu.

I looked up www.ancientscripts.com and in my scripts books but could not
find the scripts that you mention in your excerpt. Again, I look forward to
hearing from you folks.

Sincerely,
Venantius
212.928.3955 (NY)

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[Indic-computing-users] Re: malayalam computers

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

Could someone help with a suitable reply pls? FN

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, narayanan wrote:


> Dear Sir:
> 
> Could you help me locate where I can get a Malayalam Computer - 
> mainly and mostly to be used as an electronic typewriter with 
> storage facility. This is to be used by one of the 
> writers/reporters
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> CV Narayanan
> 
> RESTLESSLY
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[Indic-computing-users] [*****] New Tibetan Unicode keyboards - FREEWARE (fwd)

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'a-chung, for shad after tsheg, for Sanskrit letters, and for 'long stacks'=
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] freebsd & utf-8 locale

[<a_j...@ya...>]

> Basically, this means freebsd supports utf-8 locales. 

I wonder why its not in the base system though ...

> freebsd guys here can shed some light on how or from which series 

You should be able to install this port on a 4.X or 5.X series 
box.


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[Indic-computing-users] Re: [Kannada] freebsd & utf-8 locale

[Arun S. <ar...@sh...>]

Pramod.R wrote:

> Just found this freebsd port that offers utf-8 locales for some languages. 
> Basically, this means freebsd supports utf-8 locales. Maybe anyone of the 
> freebsd guys here can shed some light on how or from which series it is being 
> supported. 
> http://www.freshports.org/misc/utf8locale

It looks like libc has gotten better:

http://news.gw.com/freebsd.i18n/507

and the first UTF-8 locale commited

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/share/mklocale/am_ET.UTF-8.src

But I don't see a collation definition file for the above locale. Last 
time I checked (more than a year ago) - colldef didn't support UTF-8 and 
it still seems to be the issue.

	-Arun

[Indic-computing-users] freebsd & utf-8 locale

[Pramod.R <pra...@ya...>]

Just found this freebsd port that offers utf-8 locales for some languages. 
Basically, this means freebsd supports utf-8 locales. Maybe anyone of the 
freebsd guys here can shed some light on how or from which series it is being 
supported. 
http://www.freshports.org/misc/utf8locale

-pramod.

[Indic-computing-users] [OFFTOPIC] Arabic... Mozilla

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
   From: John Joseph <jjk...@ya...>
Subject: Fwd: [Saudi Linux] Arabic localization of Mozilla released



Ahmad <ms...@hu...> wrote:To: "Documentation and Translation" ,
"saudi_linux" 
CC: MLP Staff 
From: "Ahmad" 
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:23:11 -0700
Subject: [Saudi Linux] Arabic localization of Mozilla released


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Hi

We just released version 0.1 of Arabic pack.

(Please go to http://4-sms.com/users/mozilla/?2003-08-01 for more information)

For Mozilla 1.3 :  http://4-sms.com/users/mozilla/download/langar-1.3-
0.1.xpi


For Mozilla 1.4 :  http://4-sms.com/users/mozilla/download/langar-1.4-
0.1.xpi

For Mozilla 1.5Alpha :  http://4-sms.com/users/mozilla/download/langar-
1.5Alpha-0.1.xpi

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

<?xml  version="1.0" ?><html>
<head>
<title></title>
</head>
<body>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Sanskrit dictionary is available at</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://sanskrit.gde.to/dict/</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">-Pavanaja</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; On Thursday 31 July 2003 08:39 am, you wrote:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; Dear&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;LinuxLingam</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt;</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; You are asking for the moon :-)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; &gt; also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries? you</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; &gt; type or upload a word, and a translated meaning is outputted?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt;</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; There is a site for Kannada, www.kannadakasturi.com</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt;</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &gt; -Pavanaja</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; dear pavanaja,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; interesting when i queried for translation engines for hindi, it's like </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; asking for the moon, and yet they exist for kannada. congratulations on that, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; and hope the precedent set by kannada inspires and forms a guiding path for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; other languages.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; LL</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">-----------------------------------------------------</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Dr. U.B. Pavanaja</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Editor, Vishva Kannada</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">World's first Internet magazine in Kannada</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://www.vishvakannada.com/</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes</span></font></div>
<div align="left"></div>
</body>
</html>

[Indic-computing-users] Google in Indic

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

Hi,
 Google has started making its Indic interfaces prominent. Ysterday it
was taking to google.co.in with hindi as default, but now showing
english default with other language links.
See a news report on rediff.com & some interesting comments.
http://www.rediff.com/netguide/2003/aug/02google.htm
I believe we would get similar feedback on Indlinux work too.

If you would like to volunteer for translating google in ur language
you can join in at
http://services.google.com/tc/Welcome.html

Regards,
Karunakar

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An Unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself
So all progress in the world depends on the Unreasonable man - GB Shaw

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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...>]

On Thursday 31 July 2003 08:39 am, you wrote:
> Dear	LinuxLingam
>
> You are asking for the moon :-)

> > also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries? you
> > type or upload a word, and a translated meaning is outputted?
>
> There is a site for Kannada, www.kannadakasturi.com
>
> -Pavanaja

dear pavanaja,

interesting when i queried for translation engines for hindi, it's like 
asking for the moon, and yet they exist for kannada. congratulations on that, 
and hope the precedent set by kannada inspires and forms a guiding path for 
other languages.

LL

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

> There is some work going on at IIIT-Hyderabad. 

http://216.236.98.137/~shakti/
 
> There is a library available from CDAC which will transliterate 
> Indian names from English to Indian languages.

http://www.cdacindia.com/html/gist/products/ntrans.asp
  
> > any other indic translation-related sites, software, engines...?

http://tdil.mit.gov.in/mat/ach-mat.htm

-Pavanaja
-----------------------------------------------------
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[Alok K. <alo...@so...>]

> 
> also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries?

http://dmoz.org/Reference/Dictionaries/World_Languages/H/Hindi/
http://dmoz.org/Reference/Dictionaries/World_Languages/T/Tamil/
http://dmoz.org/Reference/Dictionaries/World_Languages/P/Pali/
http://dmoz.org/Reference/Dictionaries/World_Languages/P/Punjabi/
and so on.
<http://dmoz.org/World/Hindi/%e0%a4%b8%e0%a4%82%e0%a4%a6%e0%a4%b0%e0%a5%8d%e0%a4%ad/%e0%a4%b6%e0%a4%ac%e0%a5%8d%e0%a4%a6%e0%a4%95%e0%a5%8b%e0%a4%b7/
> 

-- 
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

Dear	LinuxLingam 

You are asking for the moon :-)

> any site that provides an engine:
> you type or upload text in english, and out comes machine-processed hindi?

There is some work going on at IIIT-Hyderabad. 

There is a library available from CDAC which will transliterate 
Indian names from English to Indian languages.
 
> any other indic translation-related sites, software, engines...?
> 
> indic to indic.
> indic to others.
> and back.

nope.

> also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries? you type 
> or upload a word, and a translated meaning is outputted?

There is a site for Kannada, www.kannadakasturi.com

-Pavanaja
-----------------------------------------------------
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes

[Indic-computing-users] Eng<>Hindi

[LinuxLingam <lin...@bh...>]

dear all,

any site that provides an engine:
you type or upload text in english, and out comes machine-processed hindi?

any other indic translation-related sites, software, engines...?

indic to indic.
indic to others.
and back.

?

also, stuff like hindi dictionaries, or indic language dictionaries? you type 
or upload a word, and a translated meaning is outputted?

?
LL

[Indic-computing-users] Chinese chip, offering language support...

[Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...>]

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:03:26 -0000
   From: "rohankriplani" <roh...@ya...>
Subject: Chinese V-Dragon chip for Linux OS now on sale

CHINESE FIRM, Culturecom Holdings Ltd says it has begun selling its
V-Dragon chip, claiming 100,000 orders thus far. The chip is designed
to run a local implemetation of Linux - known as Midori - and goes
large on Chinese language support according to the company website.The
company also says it had help from IBM in building its chip and is now
teaming up with Transmeta to develop the Midori Linux.

The Chinese are keen to develop their own chip and operating systems
to avoid reliance on US technology, which could have security
implications for the People's Republic. 

The V-Dragon has a 32-bit RISC core and claims 64-bit read and write
data buses for Processor Local Bus (PLB). The Memory Management Unit
runs 16KB instruction and 16KB data caches, while the chip's High
Speed Memory Controller is capable of supporting up to 4 SDRAM banks
and a maximum total of 1GB SDRAM, the company says.

IMO, India should learn this lesson fast and start working on the same
lines

-RK

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[Indic-computing-users] Re: Web Pages in Indic Scripts

[<alo...@so...>]

Hi Vijay, 

If you have a multilingual site, having a single encoding would make things 
easier at the backend. Therefore UTF-8 is the best option. Apart from that 
it would be just like any other website. 

> 1. What fonts should I use ?

Use unicode encoded fonts. 

> 2. What tools are available to generate these pages ?

Any of the regular tools for page generation would work. Only, your webpages 
will be utf-8 encoded that's all. You can see 
http://geocities.com/linuxparichay/kaise.html for details of html meta tags. 

> 3. Static pages in Indic fonts can be rendered on the fly, or user need to
> have fonts installed in the system ?

User will need to install the fonts just as he needs them to view Latin 
characters. Dynamic fonts are supported by IE but not by Mozilla(Netscape 4 
used to do that). 

> 6. Are there any proven GNU / commercial solutions availabe for this kind of
> work ?

Try babelkit -
http://freshmeat.net/releases/120564/ 

Hitesh(cc'd) has developed such a site - I forget the url.
It would be a good idea to survey the Fonts+browsers+os to find out which 
ones would be able to render the content. For devanagari, 
http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html would be a good guide. 

Regards
Alok 

[Indic-computing-users] Fw: [Indlinux-group] Gargi 0.9.2 font available for Download

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:12:16 +0530
From: Shashank Ashtikar <sha...@hb...>
To: fs...@gn..., ind...@li...,
ba...@ep..., nag...@hb...
Subject: [Indlinux-group] Gargi 0.9.2 font available for Download


Hello Everyone,

0.9.2 version of Gargi font is available for download, there 
have been few bugfixes since the last version give it a try.
you can download the font from following link.

http://db.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/localzn-hbcse.html


Shashank


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Web Pages in Indic Scripts

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:19:40 +0530
"Vijay Barve" <vij...@fr...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> I have to make a website in Indic Scripts. ( To start with it is
> going to be in Telugu and English and later on Hindi, Kannada,
> Malayam and Tamil are to be added.) SOme part of the sute can be
> static, which I need immiditely. The site also needs to have dynamic
> data (data driven site) and not just static pages. In this regard I
> need the following information as I am new to this field.
> 
 Long term approach is to use unicode (utf-8) for web pages.

> 1. What fonts should I use ?
Cleint will need to have installed unicode / opentype fonts, also his
browser should support unicode rendering. or you can send content in
different encoding/fonts based on client browser.

> 2. What tools are available to generate these pages ?
 perl/php should be able to generate utf-8 pages.

> 3. Static pages in Indic fonts can be rendered on the fly, or user
> need to have fonts installed in the system ?

 Best if they have it installed.

> 4. What kind of database is conviniant to use ? ( MS-Access, MySQL
> or any other)
PostgresSQL, MySQL support unicode/utf-8, so u can use them.

> 5. Where can I get more information on these issues ?
search around for multilingual vendor sites on what they are doing.
you can get many links from indlinux.org/bookmarks.html

HTH,
Regards,
Karunakar

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An Unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself
So all progress in the world depends on the Unreasonable man - GB Shaw

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[Indic-computing-users] Web Pages in Indic Scripts

[Vijay B. <vij...@fr...>]

Dear Friends,

I have to make a website in Indic Scripts. ( To start with it is going to be
in Telugu and English and later on Hindi, Kannada, Malayam and Tamil are to
be added.) SOme part of the sute can be static, which I need immiditely. The
site also needs to have dynamic data (data driven site) and not just static
pages. In this regard I need the following information as I am new to this
field.

1. What fonts should I use ?
2. What tools are available to generate these pages ?
3. Static pages in Indic fonts can be rendered on the fly, or user need to
have fonts installed in the system ?
4. What kind of database is conviniant to use ? ( MS-Access, MySQL or any
other)
5. Where can I get more information on these issues ?
6. Are there any proven GNU / commercial solutions availabe for this kind of
work ?

Regards,

Vijay Barve