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It looks like our wiki is getting spammed pretty badly. I can't figure out
how to easily revert all that got spammed so I'm guessing it's my lack of
permissions. Anybody want to fix things?

It looks like gmap has lost CVS access. Is this a Sourceforge outage or hav=
e
they done something with our source? I just got a SK2 and I'm trying to get
the latest code to compile for it.

Hehe, no Eric Newcomer, my partner in crime on most projects.

Google has shown interest in moving in that direction. (syndication)

No idea what the timeline is though, hopefully soon.

I'm actually really missing GMap so maybe I'll get a chance to fix it up 
this weekend..

-Nic

Eric Allen wrote:
> do you mean me? I'm out of the country for a month starting Monday, so 
> I'm not so available to work on this.
> 
> Syndication, really? Have there been rumors going around that Google is 
> going to actually encourage people to use their map images? I've heard a 
> couple of sites have gotten cease-and-decist letters.
> 
> -Eric

do you mean me? I'm out of the country for a month starting Monday, so I'm=
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not so available to work on this.=20

Syndication, really? Have there been rumors going around that Google is=20
going to actually encourage people to use their map images? I've heard a=20
couple of sites have gotten cease-and-decist letters.

-Eric

On 6/20/05, Nic Pottier <nic...@ya...> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I'm busy buying a house, so I doubt I'll have time anytime soon.
>=20
> Once Google starts syndicating their maps Eric and I will probably
> rewrite the entire thing from the ground up.
>=20
> -Nic
>=20
> Adam Bliss wrote:
> > Looks like mt.google.com <http://mt.google.com> is no longer serving th=
e=20
> v=3D.1 tileset. The
> > new version, v=3Dw2.4, uses a different projection (I believe it's
> > Mercator). This will require a non-trivial adjustment to the code.
> >
> > Anyone got time to do it?
> >
> > --Adam
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I'm busy buying a house, so I doubt I'll have time anytime soon.

Once Google starts syndicating their maps Eric and I will probably 
rewrite the entire thing from the ground up.

-Nic

Adam Bliss wrote:
> Looks like mt.google.com is no longer serving the v=.1 tileset.  The
> new version, v=w2.4, uses a different projection (I believe it's
> Mercator).  This will require a non-trivial adjustment to the code.
> 
> Anyone got time to do it?
> 
> --Adam

Looks like mt.google.com is no longer serving the v=3D.1 tileset.  The
new version, v=3Dw2.4, uses a different projection (I believe it's
Mercator).  This will require a non-trivial adjustment to the code.

Anyone got time to do it?

--Adam

Ya, it's definitely the WAP flag, though HTTPConnection in general is
really slow right now.

I just checked in a version that goes against the trileet server to do
the decoding, but it's painfully slow.

Will post on skdr saying what's up, but I don't think it's even worth
updating the bundle there unless this turns into a long term outage.

We probably should detect the WAP side going down and switch over
dynamically in an ideal world.

-Nic

Adam Bliss wrote:
> The kh tiles are loading for me just fine.  Maybe it's all WAP requests
> are getting screwed up?  In order to fetch the tiles we'll have to go
> back to Nic's image convert script.
> 
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:34, Eric Newcomer wrote:
> 
>> Ahh..  Of course, silly me. ;)
>>
>> Well, at any rate, if you change wap request to be false the search
>> query works.  Tiles don't tho.

The kh tiles are loading for me just fine.  Maybe it's all WAP requests 
are getting screwed up?  In order to fetch the tiles we'll have to go 
back to Nic's image convert script.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:34, Eric Newcomer wrote:
> Ahh..  Of course, silly me. ;)
>
> Well, at any rate, if you change wap request to be false the search 
> query works.  Tiles don't tho.
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 7:30 pm, Adam Bliss wrote:
>> kh is for keyhole tiles, mt for map tiles.  Check out tile.createurl().
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:15, Eric Newcomer wrote:
>>> I believe I might have a fix, but I can't test it as I have no 
>>> network connectivity on my phone at the moment.
>>>
>>> There is a flag determining if it should be looking things up as a 
>>> wap request for the HTTPConnection.
>>>
>>> Look at GMap.java:257-258..
>>>
>>> There is a check for "kh" in the url.  It looks like google is 
>>> serving up the tiles on a different host (mt.google.com).. I presume 
>>> this used to be kh.google.com.  Switching the check to mt might do 
>>> the trick.
>>>
>>> - eric
>>>
>>> Nicolas Pottier wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it extremely unlikely we are being blocked.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just guessing their format changed slightly breaking our fragile 
>>>> formatting.
>>>>
>>>> I'll fix this tonight.
>>>> Nic
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 6:01 pm, David Ondzes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
>>>>> this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
>>>>> header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
>>>>> Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  see this thread on skdr:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc  I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile downloads.
>>>>>>  Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles 
>>>>>> do load
>>>>>>  through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so 
>>>>>> they didn't
>>>>>>  change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
>>>>>> (surprise,
>>>>>>  surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -Karl
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Ahh..  Of course, silly me. ;)

Well, at any rate, if you change wap request to be false the search 
query works.  Tiles don't tho.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 7:30 pm, Adam Bliss wrote:
> kh is for keyhole tiles, mt for map tiles.  Check out tile.createurl().
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:15, Eric Newcomer wrote:
>> I believe I might have a fix, but I can't test it as I have no network 
>> connectivity on my phone at the moment.
>>
>> There is a flag determining if it should be looking things up as a wap 
>> request for the HTTPConnection.
>>
>> Look at GMap.java:257-258..
>>
>> There is a check for "kh" in the url.  It looks like google is serving 
>> up the tiles on a different host (mt.google.com).. I presume this used 
>> to be kh.google.com.  Switching the check to mt might do the trick.
>>
>> - eric
>>
>> Nicolas Pottier wrote:
>>
>>> I find it extremely unlikely we are being blocked.
>>>
>>> I'm just guessing their format changed slightly breaking our fragile 
>>> formatting.
>>>
>>> I'll fix this tonight.
>>> Nic
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 6:01 pm, David Ondzes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
>>>> this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
>>>> header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
>>>> Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  see this thread on skdr:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc  I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile downloads.
>>>>>  Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles 
>>>>> do load
>>>>>  through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so 
>>>>> they didn't
>>>>>  change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
>>>>> (surprise,
>>>>>  surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Karl
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Is it possible to open a socket directly to mt.google.com on port 80 and 
make the request by hand?  You could snarf code from terminal monkey to 
do it.  Then we would either get the full error response from google 
(and go talk to Bret about it on monday), or else (if it works) grab the 
bytes from there.

(Sorry, would do it myself, but am out on the town.)

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:26, Karl Gutwin wrote:
>
> Doing a little legwork to track this down...
>
> First of all, another app which uses HTTPConnection etc (AcidAngel's 
> horoscope
> program, find it on skdr) works fine. Although at times, my syslog 
> lists a
> bunch of lines like:
>
> (214) DispatchHTTPTransaction caught: java.lang.NullPointerException
>
> hmmm... I don't see them now though so who knows why those were there. 
> Anyway,
> the search requests were providing a response that wasn't 200, so I 
> added a
> little bit to print the complete response, and here's what I got:
>
> (365) Response: 500 dbp timeout
>
> "dbp timeout" is what response.getResponseMessage() returns. I have no 
> idea
> what a dbp timeout could possibly be. It's looking more and more like a
> Google-specific problem though.
>
> -Karl
>
> --- Adam Bliss <ab...@tm...> wrote:
>>  On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49, Karl Gutwin wrote:
>>  > see this thread on skdr:
>>  >
>>  >
>>
> http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc
>>  >
>>  > I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile
>>  > downloads.
>>  > Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles do
>>  > load
>>  > through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so 
>> they
>>  > didn't
>>  > change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue
>>  > (surprise,
>>  > surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>
>>  Same here.  Google would not have cut us off intentionally.  Maybe 
>> they
>>  accidentally flagged us as abuse of the service somehow. But my money 
>> is
>>  on another unscheduled/unannounced downtime of some kind on Danger's
>>  part.
>>
>>  --Adam
>>
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Doing a little legwork to track this down...

First of all, another app which uses HTTPConnection etc (AcidAngel's horoscope
program, find it on skdr) works fine. Although at times, my syslog lists a
bunch of lines like:

(214) DispatchHTTPTransaction caught: java.lang.NullPointerException

hmmm... I don't see them now though so who knows why those were there. Anyway,
the search requests were providing a response that wasn't 200, so I added a
little bit to print the complete response, and here's what I got:

(365) Response: 500 dbp timeout

"dbp timeout" is what response.getResponseMessage() returns. I have no idea
what a dbp timeout could possibly be. It's looking more and more like a
Google-specific problem though.

-Karl

--- Adam Bliss <ab...@tm...> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49, Karl Gutwin wrote:
> > see this thread on skdr:
> >
> >
>
http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc
> >
> > I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile 
> > downloads.
> > Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles do 
> > load
> > through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so they 
> > didn't
> > change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
> > (surprise,
> > surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
> 
> Same here.  Google would not have cut us off intentionally.  Maybe they 
> accidentally flagged us as abuse of the service somehow. But my money is 
> on another unscheduled/unannounced downtime of some kind on Danger's 
> part.
> 
> --Adam
> 

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kh is for keyhole tiles, mt for map tiles.  Check out tile.createurl().

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:15, Eric Newcomer wrote:
> I believe I might have a fix, but I can't test it as I have no network 
> connectivity on my phone at the moment.
>
> There is a flag determining if it should be looking things up as a wap 
> request for the HTTPConnection.
>
> Look at GMap.java:257-258..
>
> There is a check for "kh" in the url.  It looks like google is serving 
> up the tiles on a different host (mt.google.com).. I presume this used 
> to be kh.google.com.  Switching the check to mt might do the trick.
>
> - eric
>
> Nicolas Pottier wrote:
>
>> I find it extremely unlikely we are being blocked.
>>
>> I'm just guessing their format changed slightly breaking our fragile 
>> formatting.
>>
>> I'll fix this tonight.
>> Nic
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 6:01 pm, David Ondzes wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
>>> this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
>>> header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
>>> Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?
>>>
>>> On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  see this thread on skdr:
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc  I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile downloads.
>>>>  Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles 
>>>> do load
>>>>  through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so 
>>>> they didn't
>>>>  change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
>>>> (surprise,
>>>>  surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>>>
>>>>  -Karl
>>>>
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I believe I might have a fix, but I can't test it as I have no network 
connectivity on my phone at the moment.

There is a flag determining if it should be looking things up as a wap 
request for the HTTPConnection.

Look at GMap.java:257-258..

There is a check for "kh" in the url.  It looks like google is serving 
up the tiles on a different host (mt.google.com).. I presume this used 
to be kh.google.com.  Switching the check to mt might do the trick.

- eric

Nicolas Pottier wrote:

> I find it extremely unlikely we are being blocked.
>
> I'm just guessing their format changed slightly breaking our fragile 
> formatting.
>
> I'll fix this tonight.
> Nic
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 6:01 pm, David Ondzes wrote:
>
>> I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
>> this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
>> header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
>> Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?
>>
>> On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
>>
>>>  see this thread on skdr:
>>>
>>>  http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc 
>>>
>>>
>>>  I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile 
>>> downloads.
>>>  Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles 
>>> do load
>>>  through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so 
>>> they didn't
>>>  change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
>>> (surprise,
>>>  surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>>
>>>  -Karl
>>>
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I find it extremely unlikely we are being blocked.

I'm just guessing their format changed slightly breaking our fragile 
formatting.

I'll fix this tonight.
Nic

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 6:01 pm, David Ondzes wrote:
> I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
> this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
> header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
> Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?
>
> On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
>>  see this thread on skdr:
>>
>>  http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc
>>
>>  I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile 
>> downloads.
>>  Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles do 
>> load
>>  through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so they 
>> didn't
>>  change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue 
>> (surprise,
>>  surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>>
>>  -Karl
>>
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I don't have a copy of the latest and greatest code so can't answer
this question. What User Agent are we setting in the HTTPConnection
header ? If aren't setting one the it probably defaulting to one with
Danger in name and this could be what google is using to block us ?

On 4/22/05, Karl Gutwin <kg...@ya...> wrote:
> see this thread on skdr:
>=20
> http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=3Dmsg&th=3D2232&start=3D0&rid=3D111=
3&S=3D2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc
>=20
> I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile downloa=
ds.
> Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles do load
> through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so they did=
n't
> change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue (surpri=
se,
> surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.
>=20
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see this thread on skdr:

http://www.skdr.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2232&start=0&rid=1113&S=2e059e04786b32075648a2b63fbb15dc

I confirm both a lack of response in search queries and also tile downloads.
Anybody have any insight - has Google cut off our feed? The tiles do load
through my web browser (cutting and pasting the syslog'd url) so they didn't
change the interface on us. I suspect it's either a backend issue (surprise,
surprise) or else Google got wind of our little project.

-Karl

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Adam - I use to think just like you. I have been using emacs forever
but seems like every developer I have deal with is using some kind of
IDE and most of them use eclipse. It also seems alot of OS vendors
have some eclipse plugins. So I am slowly being force to play their
way. eclipse is a beast and seems sluggish at times but looks like a
nice tool.

On Apr 11, 2005 10:57 PM, Adam Bliss <ab...@tm...> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:47, Nic Pottier wrote:
> > Amazing editor for the price, great emacs bindings too!
> 
> Er, what's wrong with just using Emacs, then?
> 
> Just curious.  I do all my work in Emacs and it's hard to imagine what
> else an editor could offer me.  I just assumed you guys didn't use emacs
> because you didn't like the key bindings. :)
> 
> --Adam
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Adam Bliss wrote:
> Er, what's wrong with just using Emacs, then?
> 
> Just curious.  I do all my work in Emacs and it's hard to imagine what 
> else an editor could offer me.  I just assumed you guys didn't use emacs 
> because you didn't like the key bindings. :)

I've been an emacs user for 10 years, so trust me in saying it has to be 
something well worth it for me to switch editors. (every single machine 
I work on has caps-lock rebound to control)

However, the world has come a long way since the plain text editing 
functions of emacs.  Yes, JDEE provides some of the same, but in a much 
slower manner and nowhere near as integrated.

Some of the great reasons to use Eclipse with emacs bindings:
   - never having to rebuild your tags table, it's always up to date
   - code navigation is a breeze and instantaneous (jump to 
implementation of method under cursor etc.)
   - viewing callers for methods / classes
   - refactoring in any of a dozen ways makes your code cleaner and 
development way faster
   - completion of methods lets you work faster and use unfamiliar 
libraries more easily
   - with the built in emacs bindings you lose very little of your 
hard-wired navigation neurons

That's just off the top of my head.  I do like being able to write my 
own elisp in emacs for some tasks, but even that's fairly easily in 
Eclipse or IntelliJ.  The fact just is that we've learned a lot in the 
past decade on how to make better code editors and emacs hasn't done a 
fantastic job of keeping up.  Yes, tools have been made to bolt these 
on, but their implementation and integration leaves a lot to be desired.

-Nic

Refactoring for one.

- eric

Adam Bliss wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:47, Nic Pottier wrote:
>
>> Amazing editor for the price, great emacs bindings too!
>
>
> Er, what's wrong with just using Emacs, then?
>
> Just curious.  I do all my work in Emacs and it's hard to imagine what 
> else an editor could offer me.  I just assumed you guys didn't use 
> emacs because you didn't like the key bindings. :)
>
> --Adam
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:47, Nic Pottier wrote:
> Amazing editor for the price, great emacs bindings too!

Er, what's wrong with just using Emacs, then?

Just curious.  I do all my work in Emacs and it's hard to imagine what 
else an editor could offer me.  I just assumed you guys didn't use emacs 
because you didn't like the key bindings. :)

--Adam

Yup, should work fine as Eric says, I use Eclipse as well.

There are some files generated by the drc when you first run ant, so do 
that once and you should see all the compile errors disappear.  You'll 
also need to add the external library.jar for t-mobile-2.0.

But apart from that it should work just dandy.  I still run ant from the 
command line just out of habit, but I've gotten it working with minimal 
work from within Eclipse as well.

Amazing editor for the price, great emacs bindings too!

-Nic

Eric Allen wrote:
> Yep! I buld it with Eclipse almost every day. I don't use Eclipse's 
> buiot-in build system, I have it use ant. It's realy easy, just right 
> click on the build.xml file and there should be some kind of "run 
> button". Then it will go into your recent External Tools toolbar 
> thingie. You will also need to get the library JAR in your classpath. If 
> you need more help, I'll go and really take a look at how I do it.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 7:27pm, David Ondzes wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone here used eclipse to build gmap ? I am trying out eclipse
>> for the first time. I have managed (I think) to checkout the cvs
>> respository as project and I am trying to build it but have over 100
>> errors. Most of the errors deal with the generated files not being
>> made so somehow I need to get the ant build process added to my
>> project.
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Yep! I buld it with Eclipse almost every day. I don't use Eclipse's 
buiot-in build system, I have it use ant. It's realy easy, just right 
click on the build.xml file and there should be some kind of "run 
button". Then it will go into your recent External Tools toolbar 
thingie. You will also need to get the library JAR in your classpath. If 
you need more help, I'll go and really take a look at how I do it.

-Eric

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 7:27pm, David Ondzes wrote:
> Has anyone here used eclipse to build gmap ? I am trying out eclipse
> for the first time. I have managed (I think) to checkout the cvs
> respository as project and I am trying to build it but have over 100
> errors. Most of the errors deal with the generated files not being
> made so somehow I need to get the ant build process added to my
> project.
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Has anyone here used eclipse to build gmap ? I am trying out eclipse
for the first time. I have managed (I think) to checkout the cvs
respository as project and I am trying to build it but have over 100
errors. Most of the errors deal with the generated files not being
made so somehow I need to get the ant build process added to my
project.

ah ha! Upon looking at the binary, there are 6 bits on the lower end
just getting whacked off  in the 7th entry. Sounds like my code isn't
working so well. I think it's my code that chops the string into
chunks to decode into ints.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:05:52 -0800, Eric Allen <eri...@gm...> wrote:
> Okay, I reverted to the old PolyLine and sure enough, it rendered
> perfectly. I discovered one route that gets seriously borked by the
> end of it, 930 McKendrie st 95126 to 400 uplands dr 94010. Attached
> are the files with the points I've dumped out. gp.txt uses
> copyright-infringing code and bp.txt uses my code. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:52:37 -0800, Eric Allen <eri...@gm...> wrote:
> > I noticed that at fully zoomed in, a route in the Bay Area ended up
> > shifted NW by a little bit, like 2x the width of a freeway. I suspect
> > it's my decoding stuff, but I can't test for a few days until my
> > Sidekick gets reliably back online so I wanted to put out a heads-up
> > if anybody else wants to take a look. For the record, the route was
> > "San Jose, ca to los gatos, ca".
> >
> 
> 
>

Okay, I reverted to the old PolyLine and sure enough, it rendered
perfectly. I discovered one route that gets seriously borked by the
end of it, 930 McKendrie st 95126 to 400 uplands dr 94010. Attached
are the files with the points I've dumped out. gp.txt uses
copyright-infringing code and bp.txt uses my code. Any ideas?

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:52:37 -0800, Eric Allen <eri...@gm...> wrote:
> I noticed that at fully zoomed in, a route in the Bay Area ended up
> shifted NW by a little bit, like 2x the width of a freeway. I suspect
> it's my decoding stuff, but I can't test for a few days until my
> Sidekick gets reliably back online so I wanted to put out a heads-up
> if anybody else wants to take a look. For the record, the route was
> "San Jose, ca to los gatos, ca".
>