Re: [Gramps-users] Douglas Bainbridge: more Place problems - what to do about intermittent existence

[Doug <dou...@on...>]

> On 22/10/16 21:43, Michael Stockhausen wrote:
>>> Feb 13, 2016; 3:28pm  Douglas Bainbridge more Place 
>>> problems - what to do
>>> about intermittent existence?
>>> What should I do about places that exist at several 
>>> different times?
>>> I have Poznan Voivodeship, for example, which existed prior
>>> to 1793; it disappeared when annexed by Prussia; was
>>> re-created in 1918/1919; disappeared in 1939; was recreated
>>> in 1945; and was re-fashioned in 1998.
>>> I can't see a good alternative to defining 3 or 4 Poznan
>>> Voivodeship places, with different existence dates; but 
>>> it's
>>> very messy.
>>> As far as I can see, defining just 1 Place runs into
>>> problems when the Place encloses different sets of 
>>> places at
>>> different times.
>>> What do others do?
>>> Doug
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>> you posted this in February.
>> How did you finally handle Posen/Poznan?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

> Hi Michael,
> Thanks for asking: I had been wondering whether I 
> could/should chip in to the discussions - you'll see why 
> I've hesitated.
>
> I've come to feel that the only way of representing the 
> complicated situation in Poland reasonably satisfactorily 
> is to introduce politico-historical  categories along with 
> the standard ones - I want the enclosed-by and enclosing 
> gramplets and tree view to show information pretty close 
> you what you would get from Wikipedia articles. (I'm 
> ignoring any problems of reporting or exporting so far).
>
> To deal with the problem of intermittent existence: Krakow 
> Voivodeship II, III, etc.
> To deal with the total dismembering of Poland for a 
> period, created a new "Place" type - "Period", name "Age 
> of Partitions", the same as recognised by historians. The 
> Prussian, Russian and Austrian partitions are enclosed by 
> Prussia, Russia and Austria respectively but are 
> themselves enclosed within the 'Age of Partitions'.
> In order to bring all this under one roof, created a new 
> type "Root", name "Poland" in which all the 
> politico-historico-geographical entities are rooted.
> The trees displayed by the enclosed-by and enclosing 
> gramplets do show the history fairly well if the date 
> columns are enabled and the items are ordered by date.
>
> If anyone's interested I can upload a gramps file, but 
> it's still work in progress.
> I think there may also be a few irreducible situations 
> where the tree structure just can't show the relationships 
> clearly.


Doug