Re: [Gramps-users] Census Data (David L McMurray)

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

No need to actually kill anyone.  Just make the world think you're just 
crazy enough to actually use them.  Like the Sovs and their left-wing 
running dogs thought of Reagan...

On 09/26/2016 01:32 PM, george wrote:
> For my own peace of mind...
>
> Are we talking, making peace by killing everybody by exploding h bombs ?
>
> Or are we teaching the atoms to be gentle hippies ?
>
> On 26/09/16 17:29, gramps-users-request@... wrote:
>> World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

Re: [Gramps-users] Census Data (David L McMurray)

[george <baynes@nt...>]

For my own peace of mind...

Are we talking, making peace by killing everybody by exploding h bombs ?

Or are we teaching the atoms to be gentle hippies ?

On 26/09/16 17:29, gramps-users-request@... wrote:
> World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

Back on topic

Census events, I create a census event for the house/apartment/room and 
share that with all the individuals who were present there on Census night.
You can add as much or as little detail as you want for the individuals.

George Baynes

Re: [Gramps-users] List Family Trees, tab delimited

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 09/25/2016 10:24 AM, Doug Blank wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@... 
>> <mailto:ron.l.johnson@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks to whoever added this feature.  "Last accessed" date is useful
>>     for determining if I need to back up the database or not.
>>
>>
>> Looks like that was added by kulath here:
>>
>> https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/commit/54c228882cfec7a99150aa0341ca9f01aa8ef939
>>
>> For those that may not know what Ron is talking about, gramps has these 
>> command-line flags:
>>
>> * gramps -l : gives a short list of databases and their folders
>> * gramps -L: gives more details on the databases
>> * gramps -t: gives info as a tab-delimited table
>>
>>
>>     What would be even more useful is "Last *modified*" date.  Is that
>>     possible/knowable?
>>
>>
>> I have often thought that "last modified" would be much more useful than 
>> "last accessed". As far as I know, I don't think we keep that handy. It 
>> could be determined by examining the data in the database, but that would 
>> be expensive. Better would be to keep it explicit, like we do for last 
>> accessed. Sounds like a good feature request.
>>
>> -Doug
>
> https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=9247
>

Wrong one.

Here it is: https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=9722

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Re: [Gramps-users] List Family Trees, tab delimited

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

On 09/25/2016 10:24 AM, Doug Blank wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@... 
> <mailto:ron.l.johnson@...>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks to whoever added this feature.  "Last accessed" date is useful
>     for determining if I need to back up the database or not.
>
>
> Looks like that was added by kulath here:
>
> https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/commit/54c228882cfec7a99150aa0341ca9f01aa8ef939
>
> For those that may not know what Ron is talking about, gramps has these 
> command-line flags:
>
> * gramps -l : gives a short list of databases and their folders
> * gramps -L: gives more details on the databases
> * gramps -t: gives info as a tab-delimited table
>
>
>     What would be even more useful is "Last *modified*" date.  Is that
>     possible/knowable?
>
>
> I have often thought that "last modified" would be much more useful than 
> "last accessed". As far as I know, I don't think we keep that handy. It 
> could be determined by examining the data in the database, but that would 
> be expensive. Better would be to keep it explicit, like we do for last 
> accessed. Sounds like a good feature request.
>
> -Doug

https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=9247

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Re: [Gramps-users] List Family Trees, tab delimited

[Doug Blank <doug.blank@gm...>]

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@...> wrote:

> Thanks to whoever added this feature.  "Last accessed" date is useful for
> determining if I need to back up the database or not.
>

Looks like that was added by kulath here:

https://github.com/gramps-project/gramps/commit/54c228882cfec7a99150aa0341ca9f01aa8ef939

For those that may not know what Ron is talking about, gramps has these
command-line flags:

* gramps -l : gives a short list of databases and their folders
* gramps -L: gives more details on the databases
* gramps -t: gives info as a tab-delimited table


>
> What would be even more useful is "Last *modified*" date.  Is that
> possible/knowable?
>

I have often thought that "last modified" would be much more useful than
"last accessed". As far as I know, I don't think we keep that handy. It
could be determined by examining the data in the database, but that would
be expensive. Better would be to keep it explicit, like we do for last
accessed. Sounds like a good feature request.

-Doug


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[Gramps-users] List Family Trees, tab delimited

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

Thanks to whoever added this feature.  "Last accessed" date is useful for 
determining if I need to back up the database or not.

What would be even more useful is "Last *modified*" date.  Is that 
possible/knowable?

Ron

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Re: [Gramps-users] Census Data

[David L McMurray <dlmcmurr@gm...>]

Brian,

 

Or use the Forms gramplet, which will store occupation (as well as all the other fields entered) as an attribute of the census record for each individual. It will take care of sharing the record with each person. It will also store the exact spelling of the name as an attribute if you take the time to enter it. Search for Form Addons in the wiki for some minor setup required before the first use. You can ignore the “Writing your own definitions” section for now.

 

Dave

 

From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@...] 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 7:00 PM
To: gramps-users@...
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Census Data

 

On 09/24/2016 05:33 PM, Grawburg wrote:

Where do you put Census data?
1. As an Event for an individual, i.e. the head of house


Create a "Census" (or "Residence") event for the first person (typically the Head).  Then share that event with all the other members of the household (making sure that when you share the event that you set the Role to Primary).

At the same time, create "Occupation" (or "Education") events as needed for each individual person.  I don't share them since they aren't shared events even when multiple children are in school.




2. As an Event for a family


Family events are only those centered around the marriage (banns/engagement, the marriage itself, separation, divorce, etc). 




3. Family notes
4. Individual (father) notes


No.




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Re: [Gramps-users] Census Data

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

On 09/24/2016 05:33 PM, Grawburg wrote:
> Where do you put Census data?
> 1. As an Event for an individual, i.e. the head of house

Create a "Census" (or "Residence") event for the first person (typically the 
Head).  Then *share* that event with all the other members of the household 
(making sure that when you share the event that you set the Role to Primary).

At the same time, create "Occupation" (or "Education") events as needed for 
each individual person.  I don't share them since they aren't shared events 
even when multiple children are in school.

> 2. As an Event for a family

Family events are *only* those centered around the *marriage* 
(banns/engagement, the marriage itself, separation, divorce, etc).

> 3. Family notes
> 4. Individual (father) notes

No.

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[Gramps-users] Census Data

[Grawburg <grawburg@my...>]

Where do you put Census data?
1. As an Event for an individual, i.e. the head of house
2. As an Event for a family
3. Family notes
4. Individual (father) notes


Brian Grawburg
Wilson, NC  USA

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Re: [Gramps-users] Places Type Taxonomy

[Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gm...>]

Hello Hugh,

> As for the polysemous terms, what exactly constitutes a 
> "municipality"? There are several other layers/terms like city, town 
> which could be more accurate. Is there a use case for "municipality" 
> which is not covered under the other terms?
Yes. In my country (The Netherlands) a municipality is where you 
normally find the civil registry, which means that for any birth, 
marriage or death in the past 200 years it helps to know what 
municipality a place belonged too. See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality

I don't use Gramps 4.2 myself, because I prefer the old location model 
used in 3.4, but if I were using it, I would probably not add the 
municipality because they change too often, and the names of places 
(cities, villages) in this small country are unique enough to be 
distinguished by province alone.

Municipalities are visible in my sources though, because I register 
sources by the name of the civil registry.

I need to add that I would not register types like city, town, or 
village either, for a couple of reasons:
1. I often don't know what the exact type of a populated place was, at 
the time,
2. There are only two different Dutch words for these three terms, so 
the word Dorp appears two times in the place type menu,
3. Only city would be exported right in a GEDCOM address, because Gramps 
4.2 discriminates against towns and villages.

For myself, it would be much easier to use a more neutral type like 
place, which is equivalent to the Dutch word "plaats", which refers to 
any populated place of type city ("stad") or village ("dorp"). This type 
should then also be exported to GEDCOM as CITY to prevent information loss.

> From my work in taxonomy development terms usually have a use case 
> before they are added. Can anyone point me to why we have this current 
> set of options, and why it is limited to these options? I would like 
> to know what the intended use/definition is of each term. Is the 
> current list in some way related the "limitations" of the GEDCOM 
> standard?
I think that Nick gave a perfect explanation of the how and why. GEDCOM 
itself is much more limited, in the sense that the extension mentioned 
by Nick is not used much outside Germany, and the standard as made by 
the LDS only defines types like city, state, and country.

The options are not limited though, because you can enter any type you 
like. There is a drawback then, because Gramps will store the type as 
written, so it won't be translated when a tree is imported by a foreign 
user.

> How are others handling the kinds of issues I am raising, with 
> different structures in different countries and (seemingly) 
> insufficient distinctions in the current typology?
I currently handle this by sticking to Gramps version 3.4. I am thinking 
about filing a suggestion to improve Gramps in a couple of ways like:
1. Reduce the number of visible types, so that users won't see 
duplicates, or entries that are irrelevant for the area they are 
researching,
2. Expand the taxonomy so that I can use the type that is appropriate 
for a specific location, and won't have to use a single type named 
"provincie" for a US state or a German Bundesland,
3. Make sure that relevant types are mapped to their equivalents in the 
simplified world of GEDCOM, so that cities, towns, and villages can all 
be indexed as CITY, provinces and states as STAE, etc.

> Is there reason that address entries under people records do not show 
> up under places?
Yes, a technical one. Address entries have always been stored inside the 
person table, and in 4.2, they still follow the flat location structure 
used in Gramps 3.4, which has dedicated fields instead of the more 
flexible (but confusing) hierarchical types.

In my personal opinion, these address entries can better be removed, 
because they're not compatible with the GEDCOM address structure anyway, 
and residence can just as well be registered in the form of real 
residence events that use the new location structure. Person 'addresses' 
are already exported as residence events anyway, so for the outside 
world, there isn't much of a difference.

That said, I do like to have a real GEDCOM compatible address which 
allows me to format address lines as they are used on real mailing 
labels, where in my country the house number sits behind the street 
name, and the zip code sits in front of the place name. Gramps 4.2 only 
supports the English and US format somewhat, and if you separate the 
house number from the street name, i.e. put that number in an extra 
location enclosed by the street, you will notice that the 1st line of 
the exported ADDR has no number, but only the street, rendering it 
useless for the purpose that I think it was made for.

In 4.2, the exported ADDR looks completely redundant to me, because it 
only includes lines that are recognized as street, city, state, and 
country, where the PLAC line exports all known elements of the hierarchy 
in the right order, except for the zipcode. This means that when I enter 
my birth location in the right way, using one of the Dorp entries from 
the menu, no CITY line will appear in the GEDCOM, suggesting that I was 
born in some unregistered place, which is plain wrong. Some real cities 
are smaller than the village where I was born, so there's absolutely no 
reason to discriminate here.

cheers,

Enno

Re: [Gramps-users] 4.2.3 merging places causes Gramps crash

[Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gm...>]

Op 24-09-16 om 03:55 schreef Rich:
> Gramps 4.2.3 running on Linux Mint 18 Cinnamon.
> Received another failure today.
> Merged maybe 8 - 10 places and had one failure.
> Message:
> Gramps has experienced an unexpected error.
> I selected Report
>  Window came up to report a bug. This first window just tells me it is 
> the Bug Reporting Assistant and a little about how it works..
> I selected Next to go to the next page and Gramps hung up.  I believe 
> it is what I call a soft lock up as the system was still ok to do 
> anything but Gramps. I had to use the System Monitor to close Gramps.
> Could I be missing an optional module for the Bug Report Assistant to 
> work?
Not that I know of. I refuse to upgrade to Mint 18 myself, because it 
breaks Gramps 3.4.9, and the lock up that you see may have a similar cause.

Normally, an error message has a little more text than what you wrote 
above, and you may be able to copy paste some text from the first window 
you see, i.e. before you move on to the bug reporting assistant. Did you 
see anything more than what you wrote above?

If not, and you still have places to merge, or a backup that you can try 
the merging on, I suggest that you start a terminal window, and type 
'gramps' in that, instead of starting 4.2.3 from the menu. This may help 
you to see more error info, and if something happens, there's hardly a 
lock up that would stop you from copy pasting info from that terminal 
window. It has the extra advantage that if Gramps locks up, you can type 
Ctrl-\ to kill it in a very effective way.

It would be nice for developers if you can try this on a backup that you 
made before merging, so that we can see whether it happens again after a 
dozen places or so, and whether there is a pattern here.

thanks,

Enno

Re: [Gramps-users] 4.2.3 merging places causes Gramps crash

[Rich <benchrest1@at...>]

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Gramps 4.2.3 running on Linux Mint 18
      Cinnamon.<br>
      Received another failure today.<br>
      Merged maybe 8 - 10 places and had one failure.<br>
      Message:<br>
      Gramps has experienced an unexpected error.<br>
      I selected Report<br>
       Window came up to report a bug. This first window just tells me
      it is the Bug Reporting Assistant and a little about how it
      works..<br>
      I selected Next to go to the next page and Gramps hung up.  I
      believe it is what I call a soft lock up as the system was still
      ok to do anything but Gramps. I had to use the System Monitor to
      close Gramps. <br>
      Could I be missing an optional module for the Bug Report Assistant
      to work?  <br>
      Rich <br>
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      <p><font face="Comic Sans MS">This relates to my request for
          running a trace in my previous post.</font></p>
      <p><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I have
            had this failure twice in the last week on my old laptop. I
            have merged many more places on my newer desktop without a
            failure.</font></font></p>
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              face="Comic Sans MS">I get a message (I need to write it
              down next time) when I merge close to:</font></font></font></p>
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                crashed. Your data has been save without error but you
                need to restart gramps. It also gives a option to report
                the error. <br>
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                  because in both cases I did not have internet access.
                  Does selecting report transmit my error data some
                  where or does it create a file I can look at and
                  submit with a bug?</font></font></font></font></font></p>
      <p>When I do a merge of places it is because I am cleaning up my
        places file. My gramps data started with a GEDCOM file I
        imported 6 years ago. Rather large with multiple entries for the
        same place. Not all are spelled the same. So I edit the two
        place entries to have the same title, same name and same
        enclosed by.</p>
      <p>Then I merge selecting the primary that has extra such as Lat /
        long.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>After the crash when I look at the record I see all the
        references have merged into this one record. But there is a
        "Alternative Names" that should not be there. The "alternative
        names" is identical to the "Name field". I don't think there
        should have been an "Alternative Names" unless the "Name" fields
        were different in the two records to be merged. <br>
      </p>
      <p>So my plan is to select the report option next time it fails
        and see how that works and run trace if I can figure out how to
        start it.  Any other ideas how to attack this problem? It's not
        that big a deal unless my data is being compromised more than I
        see. It also would be nice to be able to filter my places to
        show all records that have an "Alternative Names". I don't know
        how to do that. I wonder if some times the "Alternative Names"
        is being created without a crash.  <br>
      </p>
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Re: [Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

[Grawburg <grawburg@my...>]

I think I'd rather buy a used Thinkpad and put my favorite distro of Linux on it for that price. Even increasing the RAM to 8 GB will keep it under $30. :-)

The fact that a Pi 3 will run Gramps makes it perfect for our planned class in the spring.  I already have them here at the museum running a couple of applications -- one is being used for a desktop computer for someone who comes in once a week and only does Web searching. I will set one up sometime early next year attached to large monitor with Gramps showing my family tree.

At this time, the Pi is the only way I could see the difference between version 3.4 and 4.1. The newer version does not install on Debian Wheezy.


Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

 On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@...> wrote:
 
On 09/23/2016 12:59 PM, Doug Blank wrote:
 
[snip]
The Raspberry Pi is a nice little computer, and quite functional. Our local computer store sells laptop cases with monitor and trackpad that is just missing the Raspberry. Plug it in, and you have a fully functional laptop.

 Interesting.  All I see on Google, though, are DIY projects.  Do you remember a brand name?


I think this is it:


http://www.microcenter.com/product/460529/Pi-Top_Raspberry_Pi_Laptop_Kit
 


A little pricey, but nice option.




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Re: [Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

[Doug Blank <doug.blank@gm...>]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@...> wrote:

> On 09/23/2016 12:59 PM, Doug Blank wrote:
> [snip]
>
> The Raspberry Pi is a nice little computer, and quite functional. Our
> local computer store sells laptop cases with monitor and trackpad that is
> just missing the Raspberry. Plug it in, and you have a fully functional
> laptop.
>
>
> Interesting.  All I see on Google, though, are DIY projects.  Do you
> remember a brand name?
>

I think this is it:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/460529/Pi-Top_Raspberry_Pi_Laptop_Kit

A little pricey, but nice option.

-Doug


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Re: [Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

On 09/23/2016 12:59 PM, Doug Blank wrote:
[snip]
> The Raspberry Pi is a nice little computer, and quite functional. Our 
> local computer store sells laptop cases with monitor and trackpad that is 
> just missing the Raspberry. Plug it in, and you have a fully functional 
> laptop.

Interesting.  All I see on Google, though, are DIY projects.  Do you 
remember a brand name?

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Re: [Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

[Doug Blank <doug.blank@gm...>]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Grawburg <grawburg@...> wrote:

> Today I installed version 4.1 on a Raspberry Pi 3. I also had to install
> gir1.2-webkit-3.0 (it told me it was needed) to get up and running.
> Used a backup I had from version 3.4.0-1 and it works fine.
>
> This spring the museum I work for will be presenting a 1 day introduction
> to genealogy and we'll use several Raspberry Pis with GRAMPS installed.
>

Brian, thanks for the note and additional details on installation. If you
have any more info on your presentation, and it is open to the public,
please let us know.

The Raspberry Pi is a nice little computer, and quite functional. Our local
computer store sells laptop cases with monitor and trackpad that is just
missing the Raspberry. Plug it in, and you have a fully functional laptop.

Have you tried the "Photo Tagging Gramplet" addon on the Pi? If you can use
the cv2 (Computer Vision 2) Python library, then it has optional abilities
to identify face regions in photos. The gramplet is very nice, even without
auto-identifying of face regions regions.

-Doug

PS - Gramps is no longer considered to be an acronym, so you don't have to
cap it :)


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Re: [Gramps-users] Places Type Taxonomy

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 23/09/16 08:07, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
> From my work in taxonomy development terms usually have a use case 
> before they are added. Can anyone point me to why we have this current 
> set of options, and why it is limited to these options? I would like 
> to know what the intended use/definition is of each term. Is the 
> current list in some way related the "limitations" of the GEDCOM 
> standard?
>
When I created the standard place types, I wrote down a list of all the 
terms for geographic regions I could think of.  Clearly, I should have 
included "Township".  Maybe we should add it as a standard place type.  
There are almost certainly others that are missing.

I also started to write down a list of building/location types. This 
soon got very large so I just added a single "Building" type.

As others have already pointed out, create custom place types where a 
standard type is missing.

Municipality is used in the Netherlands.  See feature request "4231: Add 
Municipality to places data" for details:

https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=4231

The Gramps place hierarchy has actually turned out to be a subset of the 
GEDCOM-L location record.  See:

http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/GEDCOM/PLAC-Tag#Location_Records

We have not implemented a hierarchical relationship type field yet.

GEDCOM-L is used by the GOV database.  See "8974: Import place 
hierarchies from the GOV database":

https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=8974

In particular have a look at the following link:

http://gov.genealogy.net/type/list

As you can see the list is quite large.  Here Landkreis is type 36 - 
rural county.

Does this help answer you questions?


Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Places Type Taxonomy

[PeterMerchant <petermerchant@ho...>]

> Usually, these German subdivisions aren't all that important for
> everyday life and may even be misleading since they change quite a lot
> (relative say to a country) and probably didn't exist when your
> ancestors lived anyway.
>
Hugh, there was a discussion some time ago on this list about how you 
specify a time period for a location, as Locations do change names over 
time, and county boundaries move or countries get absorbed and change.  
I haven't used it, but am aware of it. My other  mental problem with 
locations is to rationalise whether they are actual geographic(?) or 
religious locations such as parishes.

Peter

[Gramps-users] Using Gramps on Raspberry Pi

[Grawburg <grawburg@my...>]

Today I installed version 4.1 on a Raspberry Pi 3. I also had to install gir1.2-webkit-3.0 (it told me it was needed) to get up and running.
Used a backup I had from version 3.4.0-1 and it works fine.

This spring the museum I work for will be presenting a 1 day introduction to genealogy and we'll use several Raspberry Pis with GRAMPS installed.


Brian Grawburg
Wilson, NC

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Re: [Gramps-users] Expanded Citations List

[Hans Boldt <hans@bo...>]

Thanks Dave! I can work around this change by doing a search on the source,
which slows me down a bit. Looking at the source change, it looks like a
simple fix.

Cheers! Hans

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Dave Scheipers <dave.scheipers@...>
wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> I too had the same issue and reported the bug. It's supposed to be fixed
> for the next release.
>
> https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=9700
>
> I added a request to have the citations still available after doing a
> search for a title. I'm eagerly waiting to see it that works.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Hans Boldt <hans@...> wrote:
>
>> Greetings! Yesterday, I installed an upgrade, 3.16.7-42 on my Linux
>> system. While trying to add a citation to an event, I was surprised to see
>> the list of sources and citations expanded to show not just sources (as
>> expected) but also all nested citations.
>>
>> Since I have over 12,000 citations, this is absolutely unacceptable. Is
>> there a way I can restore the old behavior where only the sources are shown
>> in the list? Or at least for now, is there a shortcut key that will
>> collapse the list?
>>
>> Hans
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Re: [Gramps-users] Expanded Citations List

[Dave Scheipers <dave.scheipers@gm...>]

Hi Hans,

I too had the same issue and reported the bug. It's supposed to be fixed
for the next release.

https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=9700

I added a request to have the citations still available after doing a
search for a title. I'm eagerly waiting to see it that works.

Dave

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Hans Boldt <hans@...> wrote:

> Greetings! Yesterday, I installed an upgrade, 3.16.7-42 on my Linux
> system. While trying to add a citation to an event, I was surprised to see
> the list of sources and citations expanded to show not just sources (as
> expected) but also all nested citations.
>
> Since I have over 12,000 citations, this is absolutely unacceptable. Is
> there a way I can restore the old behavior where only the sources are shown
> in the list? Or at least for now, is there a shortcut key that will
> collapse the list?
>
> Hans
>
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Re: [Gramps-users] Places Type Taxonomy

[Dave Scheipers <dave.scheipers@gm...>]

Welcome Hugh,

I've add several others like... Church, Hospital for those common types of
Buildings.

Military for forts and bases. Battle Field for the obvious.

University for institutions of higher learning, School for all others.

And a few others.

i would only caution you to not over do it and go crazy creating types. The
key is how often would the type be used and if the type label will help you
manage your list.

I switched to Gramps 2 years ago and I'm still cleaning my place list.

Dave

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@...>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am a new GRAMPS user. I am looking at the Places' Type vocabulary. I am
> noticing that there are quite a few terms which are polysemous and then
> there are also an absence of terms. For instance, I have family places in
> New York, USA, in New Jersey, USA, in Scotland, and in Germany.
>
> In New Jersey, the "Township" is an important unit of location. It sits
> blow the county, and usually above the city/town layer of governance.
> Though towns/cities might exist across the township border. However, the
> Places type vocabulary does not include "township", therefore I must leave
> it as "unknown".
>
> In another example, from my New York data, Cemeteries are a kind of place,
> they would be analogous to "buildings" in the existing typology but they
> are not exactly the same.
>
> I have recently been learning about some of the various kinds of districts
> in Scotland (and elsewhere in the UK). For instance, The County of Banff is
> a registration county for property, and Banffshire is a Lieutenancy area of
> Scotland. Banff as a town may reside in both of these. The hierarchy is not
> singular. However, the typology does not seem to support Lieutenancy areas.
> In Scotland Lieutenancy areas and shire/counties are not
> strictly hierarchical.
>
> From my German data I have states, which do exist in the typology, and
> then I have a Landkreis (district/region) which both exist in the typology,
> but again I am not sure what to put for Landkreis, Then Germany also has
> something of an administrative region (Regierungsbezirk) which would be the
> in-between layer of organization between the state and the Landkreis.
>
> As for the polysemous terms, what exactly constitutes a "municipality"?
> There are several other layers/terms like city, town which could be more
> accurate. Is there a use case for "municipality" which is not covered under
> the other terms?
>
> From my work in taxonomy development terms usually have a use case before
> they are added. Can anyone point me to why we have this current set of
> options, and why it is limited to these options? I would like to know what
> the intended use/definition is of each term. Is the current list in some
> way related the "limitations" of the GEDCOM standard?
>
> How are others handling the kinds of issues I am raising, with different
> structures in different countries and (seemingly) insufficient distinctions
> in the current typology?
>
>
> Is there reason that address entries under people records do not show up
> under places?
>
> All the best,
> - Hugh Paterson III
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[Gramps-users] Expanded Citations List

[Hans Boldt <hans@bo...>]

Greetings! Yesterday, I installed an upgrade, 3.16.7-42 on my Linux system.
While trying to add a citation to an event, I was surprised to see the list
of sources and citations expanded to show not just sources (as expected)
but also all nested citations.

Since I have over 12,000 citations, this is absolutely unacceptable. Is
there a way I can restore the old behavior where only the sources are shown
in the list? Or at least for now, is there a shortcut key that will
collapse the list?

Hans

Re: [Gramps-users] To Brad Rogers ---

[Brad Rogers <brad@fi...>]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 23:25:00 +0000 (UTC)
juliasgenes <juliasgenes@...> wrote:

Hello juliasgenes,

>Would please explain to me what your signature means? I am curious and
>thoroughly perplexed.

It's simply a restatement of "You can't see the wood for the trees".

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Re: [Gramps-users] Places Type Taxonomy

[Ron Johnson <ron.johnson@co...>]

On 09/23/2016 03:57 AM, Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
> Am 23.09.2016 um 09:07 schrieb Hugh Paterson III:
>> In New Jersey, the "Township" is an important unit of location. It
>> sits blow the county, and usually above the city/town layer of
>> governance.  Though towns/cities might exist across the township
>> border. However, the Places type vocabulary does not include
>> "township", therefore I must leave it as "unknown".
> Or you could simply write in "Township" once and it will be available
> for selection for later entries.
>
>> In another example, from my New York data, Cemeteries are a kind
>> of place, they would be analogous to "buildings" in the existing
>> typology but they are not exactly the same.
> You can add "cemetery" as a user-defined type as well.

+1

Adding the custom place types "Township" and "Cemetery" is exactly what I did.

Also, I added "Address", for Census events which have that level of detail.

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