Re: [Gramps-users] GRAMPS Places usage question

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 22/06/17 23:35, John Bissett wrote:
>
> When I put "St. Thomas" in  my father's birth record and his birth 
> date of June 7, 1920, I expected it to be labelled as "St. Thomas, 
> Elgin, Ontario, Canada.
>
> Instead I am getting "St. Thomas, Middlesex, ?, ?.
>
> Is there a way to get GRAMPS to generate historically correct full 
> names for villages, towns, cities and other "enclosed" places based on 
> event date?
>
>
Put the date ranges on the links rather than the place names.

Nick.

[Gramps-users] GRAMPS Places usage question

[John Bissett <John.bissett@sa...>]

  All:

I am just starting with GRAMPS.  I have looked at the "places" and 
"dates" documentation but I can't get GRAMPS to do what I want.  I would 
be very grateful if someone could help me.

For example take the town of St. Thomas,  Ontario, Canada.  From 1810 to 
1841 it was St, Thomas, Middlesex, Upper Canada.   From 1841 to 1851 it 
was St. Thomas,  Middlesex, Canada West,  United Province of Canada. 
 From 1851 to 1867 it was St. Thomas, Elgin, Canada West, United 
Province of Canada. And from 1867 it was St. Thomas, Elgin, Ontario, Canada.

This is because  in 1841 the provinces of  Upper Canada and Lower Canada 
merged to form the United Province of Canada. Upper Canada became known 
as Canada West. Lower Canada became Canada East.  In 1851 a part of 
Middlesex county  was taken to form Elgin county. Finally in 1867 the 
United Province of Canada split into Ontario and Quebec which joined 
with New Brunswick and Nova Scotia to form the Dominion of Canada.

I tried creating "places" records for the various provincial, region, 
county and town names with their associated dates.  I then used (in some 
cases) multiple "enclosed by" to reflect all the historical relationships.

When I put "St. Thomas" in  my father's birth record and his birth date 
of June 7, 1920, I expected it to be labelled as "St. Thomas, Elgin, 
Ontario, Canada.

Instead I am getting "St. Thomas, Middlesex, ?, ?.

Is there a way to get GRAMPS to generate historically correct full names 
for villages, towns, cities and other "enclosed" places based on event date?

Re: [Gramps-users] Error - Gramps 5.0.0 alpha2 - postgresql

[Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gm...>]

Hello John,

Op 21-6-2017 om 04:55 schreef John via Gramps-users:
> If you are going to change the DB engine, can you actually change to 
> engine rather than the hybrid /solution/ that has been tried.
We probably could, but the DB-API that is used in 5.0 might be more 
flexible.
> If a relational DB is what people want, then I think the database has 
> to be completely redesigned.
> may be we need to create a forum/mailing list to discuss this.
We may indeed, but this may be less complex than it looks. That is 
because we have import and export modules for SQLite, so we already know 
how to map the current blobs to a relational database.

If you look at the diagram on our wiki, you can also see that most of 
the entities that haven't been normalized away are attributes and 
references. They are in about every Gramps 'table' now, and since 
they're basically all the same, they can be stored in one or two new 
tables. One, if all the references can be converted to standard 
relations, two if we have some N-to-N relations for which a cross ref 
table is a better choice.

We will also need extra tables for person and location names, and maybe 
for addresses too.

That's all!

Enno

Re: [Gramps-users] Error - Gramps 5.0.0 alpha2 - postgresql

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 21/06/17 03:55, John via Gramps-users wrote:
> If you are going to change the DB engine, can you actually change to 
> engine rather than the hybrid /solution/ that has been tried.
> If a relational DB is what people want, then I think the database has 
> to be completely redesigned.

There are no plans to move to a relational model.

> may be we need to create a forum/mailing list to discuss this.

Please feel free the use either the gramps-devel or gramps-users mailing 
list to discuss this.

Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Error - Gramps 5.0.0 alpha2 - postgresql

[John <john@kl...>]

On 6/18/17 10:12 AM, Nick Hall wrote:
> On 18/06/17 14:42, NdK wrote:
>>> Currently most of data are in blob fields to see their complexity take a
>>> look at "Gramps Data Model"
>>> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_Data_Model
>> At a glance, seems like a NoSQL (MongoDB?) would be a better fit than
>> MySQL or Postgres.
>
> Exactly.  The Gramps data model is non-relational.
>
> MongoDB would be a good fit.
>
If you are going to change the DB engine, can you actually change to 
engine rather than the hybrid /solution/ that has been tried.
If a relational DB is what people want, then I think the database has to 
be completely redesigned.
may be we need to create a forum/mailing list to discuss this.
John A


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Re: [Gramps-users] [Gramps-devel] Gramps 5.0.0-alpha2 released

[Thomas Guyot-Sionnest <dermoth@ae...>]

On 13/06/17 08:59 AM, Paul Culley wrote:
>  
>
>     Out of curiosity will it work fine with multiple users connecting
>     on the same
>
>     database at the same time? I'm not too much
>     concerned about the possible issue of having two users try to
>     change the
>     same object, which should fail if transactions are used. (From
>     experience the two most likely source of issues would be long-running
>     transactions and local caching of data... if data is read every
>     time and
>     change are committed instantly then it should work fine...)
>
> Don't get your hopes up.  Gramps was written as a single user
> application.  While we have what we call 'transactions', they are NOT
> what a db person considers a transaction.  Instead they are a grouping
> of related commits managed together by the application.  They support
> undo/redo and the only thing we guarantee is that the db is consistent
> before and after the transaction.  It may not be consistent in the
> middle (consistent meaning that various references to other objects
> are correct).
>
> In particular, I'm pretty sure that there is no 'locking' of the db
> during the transaction, at any level.  There was a long thread among
> the developers a while back where potential mechanisms for that were
> discussed, but as far as I know, nothing was coded.
>
> So multiple users are certain to cause trouble if they ever work in
> the same regions of the db.  And there is a lot of 'local caching of
> data' involved in the GUI and object editors.  We depend on the
> editors to manage the consistency, they DON'T 'read the data every
> time  and commit instantly', and if you look hard you can find cases
> where this is not handled well between various GUI elements even now.

Thanks, although what you describe is a pretty safe behavior with regard
to the DB. Additional safety may be provided by changing the default
transaction isolation level (I'm just reading about PostgreSQL now... it
appears the default is Read Comitted while MySQL's default is Repeatable
Read) - see https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/transaction-iso.html

If two transactions try to change the same rows one will be locked until
the other completes, and if a deadlock occurs (both tx waiting for each
others) one will be rolled back and the client will get an error. That
could happen, and in a perfect world gramps should check the the data
it's trying to change hasn't been modified by someone else and then
retry the transaction. I assume that will not be the case, but if each
edit is done as a single transaction then at the very least the possible
loss is limited to a single edit.

With the default isolation level of PostgreSQL I don't think this could
even happen unless two tx change the same rows in parallel (previously
read rows will not be taken into account), OTOH there will be no warning
if the same field gets changed consecutively by two users if one commits
before the other starts updating (the latter will blindly overwrite the
former).

The other issue can be caching. If Gramps doesn't read data from the
database every time then it is hard to see what others have done just
before you. In alpha-1 caching was not an issue, though you may have to
switch between objects to refresh data (there may be a need for a
refresh function...)

Oh, last but not least, I haven't yet checked if this was fixed in
alpha-2 (since MySQL support was dropped I need to setup PostgreSQL
instead...) but Gramps should attempt to reconnect if the connection
dies (if it happens during a transaction the tx should be assumed to
have been rolled back*)

(*) A configuration option in MySQL changed default setting a few years
back to rollback only the timeout statement, not full tx... In
PostgreSQL it appears it rolls back the the full tx which is the safe
behavior (based on user comments; I haven't yet found an explicit
statement about this in Postgres documentation). This is only for TCP
timeouts during a statement, not deadlocks/timeouts that leaves the
connection open. When in doubt the safe thing to do is to rollback and
try again.

Regards,

-- 
Thomas

Re: [Gramps-users] Using Places in v4.1.3

[Dave Scheipers <dave.scheipers@gm...>]

Hi Zed,

Not sure which of two issues may be causing your confusion.

There are two views available to work with your place records. Places which
is a flat list with the default sort being the first field in the list.

The second view is the Place Tree which will show the Hierarchy of places.
The hierarchy is established when the smaller location is "Enclosed By" the
higher location. So in your example, Darrow Street is enclosed
by Yarrow, Yarrow is enclosed by County Durham, which is enclosed by UK.

So if you select the Place Tree view, and the list of places do not show
nested below the larger place you will need to check their "enclosed by"
records.

Maybe when you first added the places, you added UK as the country. But
when you added the county, your courser may not have been on UK as the
active record. If there is "No Active Record" selected, when you add a new
place record, the enclosed by tab will be blank and you need to manually
add a place under the enclosed by tab (if one is needed). If you are "on" a
record, when you add a new record, the record you are "on" will
automatically be included in the enclosed by tab.

I hope this helps, Dave

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:50 PM, zed <zed@...> wrote:

> Using Gramps v4.1.3-1 on Linux Mint v18.2 Nate.
>
> I found the videos cereated by Richard Southern very helpful and am at
> present following the steps he outlines in the one entitled "Using Places
> in v4.1.3" but my results are not the same as his and I cannot understand
> why.
>
> He creates a hierarchy of
>
> Country: UK
> County: County Durham
> Town: Yarrow
> Street: Dover Street
>
> and end up with the Country being the main and all others stepping down
> from that
>
> UK
>     -County Durham
>         - Yarrow
>             -Dover Street.
>
> I end up with four main folders in alphabetical order
>
> Broad Road
> Kent
> Swanscombe
> UK
>
> and cannot see what I am doing wrong.
>
> I chose to use v4.1.3, specifically so that I could follow the video and
> expected the same results.
>
> I am sure there is a simple explanatin and would be delighted for a member
> to tell me which step I've missed out, please
>
> zed
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Re: [Gramps-users] Event type for....

[paul womack <pwomack@pa...>]

Brad Rogers wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> A person in my wife's family applied for, and was granted, Freedom of
> the City of London based on their paternity (this was in 1897).  TBH, IDK
> what event type to use for that.  I was thinking "Elected", the
> predefined vocational event.
>
> What does the panel think?

I created an event type "Public Life" for this
sort of thing. I also use it for opening fetes,
making speeches, donations for the poor etc.

  BugBear

Re: [Gramps-users] names don't appear in relationship graph

[Paul Franklin <pf.98052@gm...>]

On 6/18/17, Dionysis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia@...> wrote:
> I tried pdf export. Same problem.
> I replaced greek characters from a name not displayed with latin ones. The
> name is still not displayed in the graph.
> I used graphviz export. The non-displayed names of the graph are also not
> present in the graphviz file (viewed in notepad).
> How should I proceed?

That's too bad.

Well, I suggest you file a bug report, with directions on
how to reproduce it (in "Steps To Reproduce").  Be sure
to say whether you are running gramps in Greek or in
English, and which one your operating system is also.

Ideally I'd attach some simple gramps-XML family tree
to that bug report, with as many or as few people as you
need to reproduce it.  Who knows, maybe a one-person
family tree will be enough to manifest the bug?  But do
not attach your real family tree without making the bug
"private" first.  Try imaginary people first, when you are
seeing if you can reproduce it with a smaller tree.

But I am guessing such a tree will be needed, since we
have had lots of Windows users but none who have hit
this bug before.

Thanks.

[Gramps-users] Using Places in v4.1.3

[zed <zed@ze...>]

Using Gramps v4.1.3-1 on Linux Mint v18.2 Nate.

I found the videos cereated by Richard Southern very helpful and am at
present following the steps he outlines in the one entitled "Using Places
in v4.1.3" but my results are not the same as his and I cannot understand
why.

He creates a hierarchy of

Country: UK
County: County Durham
Town: Yarrow
Street: Dover Street

and end up with the Country being the main and all others stepping down
from that

UK
    -County Durham    
        - Yarrow
            -Dover Street.

I end up with four main folders in alphabetical order

Broad Road
Kent
Swanscombe
UK

and cannot see what I am doing wrong.

I chose to use v4.1.3, specifically so that I could follow the video and
expected the same results.

I am sure there is a simple explanatin and would be delighted for a member
to tell me which step I've missed out, please

zed
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Divorce, n. The past tense of marriage 

Re: [Gramps-users] Installing a plugin

[<www.internet@ma...>]

That did it. It seems so obvious now - thanks for the help.

> On 18 June 2017 at 15:26 Paul Culley <paulr2787@...> wrote:
> 
>     You did not mention your Gramps version, so I will assume at least Gramps 4.2.x.
> 
>     You don't need developer mode or special starting mechanisms.
> 
>     Use Edit/Preferences menu and select the "What to check" box for "New and updated addons".  Also uncheck the "Do not ask about previous notified addons" checkbox.  Then hit the "Check now" button.
> 
>     "Descendent Lines 1.0.6" should appear under the New: Report grouping (click the arrow to expand).  Select that so the item is has a check next to it.
> 
>     Use the "Install Selected Addons" button.
> 
>     The report should appear in the menu, (you may have to restart Gramps for some types of addons).
> 
>     Paul C.
> 
>     On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:52 AM, <www.internet@... mailto:www.internet@... > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I am new to gramps, and I need someone to hold my hand.
> > 
> >         I run gramps in Ubuntu 17.04. I've been trying to install a plugin called DescendantsLines, and that endeavour has defeated me. I have learned that gramps needs to be run in developer mode so that the plugin manager will have an extra tab that allows the user to install plugins; the wiki has told me that I have to run
> > 
> >         python -O gramps.py
> > 
> >         but I've searched everywhere and cannot find gramps.py. I'm sure it's a very simple matter and I'm a fool for not figuring it out, but I've looked all over and have given up on solving this myself. If anyone could provide lay out the exact steps to getting a plugin installed and working, I'd be very grateful.
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Re: [Gramps-users] names don't appear in relationship graph

[Paul Culley <paulr2787@gm...>]

I would suggest you file a bug report
https://gramps-project.org/bugs/bug_report_page.php
and include either your real tree or a small tree with names changed that
still shows the error.  Export the test tree as XML (.gramps) file and
attach it to the report.

On the off chance it may be related to your installation, you should also
include the output of "gramps -v" from the command line if you are on linux.
If on Windows, find the gramps.exe file which is usually somewhere like
C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-4.2.1\bin
or C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64-4.2.5

open a command window , cd to the path where gramps.exe was found, and do
the "gramps -v" there.

Paste the results in the 'additional information' window of the bug report.

We will try to reproduce your results and either fix it (if it is a bug),
or let you know what you can do to fix it.

Paul C.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Dionysis Boukouvalas <
paistinpotamia@...> wrote:

> I tried pdf export. Same problem.
> I replaced greek characters from a name not displayed with latin ones. The
> name is still not displayed in the graph.
> I used graphviz export. The non-displayed names of the graph are also not
> present in the graphviz file (viewed in notepad).
> How should I proceed?
>
>
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Re: [Gramps-users] Event type for....

[Brad Rogers <brad@fi...>]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:07:18 -0500
Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@...> wrote:

Hello Ron,

>He was honoured, not Elected.

Much better, but in this case, not entirely accurate.  My man was not
honoured, per se.  There are four ways of gaining Freedom, including
being honoured.  The other three are; servitude, patrimony (my case) or
redemption (i.e. purchase) which can be further sub-divided.

Freedom of the City isn't solely an honorary title (some might argue
pedantry on my part), but was (and still is in some cases) a requirement
for certain trades, professions and political offices.  See;
<https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/visitor-information/Documents/14-city-freedom-archives.pdf>;

Despite all that, Honour is what I'll probably end up using.  Thanks,
Ron.

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Re: [Gramps-users] names don't appear in relationship graph

[Dionysis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia@ho...>]

I tried pdf export. Same problem.
I replaced greek characters from a name not displayed with latin ones. The
name is still not displayed in the graph.
I used graphviz export. The non-displayed names of the graph are also not
present in the graphviz file (viewed in notepad).
How should I proceed?



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Re: [Gramps-users] Event type for....

[Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@co...>]

On 06/18/2017 12:51 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> A person in my wife's family*applied for, and was granted*, Freedom of
> the City of London based on their paternity (this was in 1897).  TBH, IDK
> what event type to use for that.  I was thinking "Elected", the
> predefined vocational event.
>
> What does the panel think?

He was honoured, not Elected.   Thus, I'd create a custom event type named 
"Honoured".

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[Gramps-users] Event type for....

[Brad Rogers <brad@fi...>]

Hello All,

A person in my wife's family applied for, and was granted, Freedom of
the City of London based on their paternity (this was in 1897).  TBH, IDK
what event type to use for that.  I was thinking "Elected", the
predefined vocational event.

What does the panel think?

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Kill joy, bad guy, big talking, small fry
Death On Two Legs - Queen

Re: [Gramps-users] names don't appear in relationship graph

[Paul Franklin <pf.98052@gm...>]

On 6/18/17, Dionysis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia@...> wrote:
> I use "relationship graph" option to export a jpeg of a tree.
>
> Many boxes have only the relevant ID number of an entry, instead of the
> "Surname, Name" format, which appears normaly in the tree.
>
> I cannot seem to discern a pattern in the way this happens (i.e. why in this
> entry and not the other).
>
> Can you help me?
>
> Dionysis.
>

That report has been used by many people over many years.

If it doesn't work for you I suspect there is something different
about your computer environment or perhaps your user names,
which could be triggering some (heretofore unknown) bug in
gramps.

What happens when you output it in a different way?  PDF?
OpenOffice?  Are the names there then?  What happens if
you temporarily put in a few people whose names are using
English/Latin letters (assuming your normal names are not
using that script)?  Do those people then appear?

What happens when you output it as a "Graphviz file" and
then look at that file with a text editor?  Are the names there
then?  (Gramps just makes that file, internally, then passes
it on to a program external to gramps, for final output, to PDF
or jpeg or whatever.)

In general, this gramps-users list is a good place to ask for
help.  How to do something for instance.  Or whether others
have seen behavior you are seeing.  Like you are asking now.

But if you reach the point where some gramps behavior is
repeatable, and wrong, then it's likely a bug and you should
file a report on the bug tracker.  But if you can't say how to
reproduce the error -- possibly including a small family tree
which shows the behavior, with non-real people of course --
then it will be harder to fix.

HTH.

[Gramps-users] names don't appear in relationship graph

[Dionysis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia@ho...>]

I use "relationship graph" option to export a jpeg of a tree.

Many boxes have only the relevant ID number of an entry, instead of the "Surname, Name" format, which appears normaly in the tree.

I cannot seem to discern a pattern in the way this happens (i.e. why in this entry and not the other).

Can you help me?

Dionysis.

Re: [Gramps-users] Error - Gramps 5.0.0 alpha2 - postgresql

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 18/06/17 14:42, NdK wrote:
>> Currently most of data are in blob fields to see their complexity take a
>> look at "Gramps Data Model"
>> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_Data_Model
> At a glance, seems like a NoSQL (MongoDB?) would be a better fit than
> MySQL or Postgres.

Exactly.  The Gramps data model is non-relational.

MongoDB would be a good fit.

Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Error - Gramps 5.0.0 alpha2 - postgresql

[NdK <ndk.clanbo@gm...>]

Il 15/06/2017 15:16, Josip ha scritto:

> Currently most of data are in blob fields to see their complexity take a
> look at "Gramps Data Model"
> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_Data_Model
At a glance, seems like a NoSQL (MongoDB?) would be a better fit than
MySQL or Postgres.

BYtE,
 Diego

Re: [Gramps-users] Installing a plugin

[Paul Culley <paulr2787@gm...>]

You did not mention your Gramps version, so I will assume at least Gramps
4.2.x.

You don't need developer mode or special starting mechanisms.

Use Edit/Preferences menu and select the "What to check" box for "New and
updated addons".  Also uncheck the "Do not ask about previous notified
addons" checkbox.  Then hit the "Check now" button.

"Descendent Lines 1.0.6" should appear under the New: Report grouping
(click the arrow to expand).  Select that so the item is has a check next
to it.

Use the "Install Selected Addons" button.

The report should appear in the menu, (you may have to restart Gramps for
some types of addons).

Paul C.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:52 AM, <www.internet@...> wrote:

> I am new to gramps, and I need someone to hold my hand.
>
> I run gramps in Ubuntu 17.04. I've been trying to install a plugin called
> DescendantsLines, and that endeavour has defeated me. I have learned that
> gramps needs to be run in developer mode so that the plugin manager will
> have an extra tab that allows the user to install plugins; the wiki has
> told me that I have to run
>
> python -O gramps.py
>
> but I've searched everywhere and cannot find gramps.py. I'm sure it's a
> very simple matter and I'm a fool for not figuring it out, but I've looked
> all over and have given up on solving this myself. If anyone could provide
> lay out the exact steps to getting a plugin installed and working, I'd be
> very grateful.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [Gramps-users] Installing a plugin

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 18/06/17 11:52, http://www.internet@... wrote:
>
> I am new to gramps, and I need someone to hold my hand.
>
> **I run gramps in Ubuntu 17.04. I've been trying to install a plugin 
> called DescendantsLines, and that endeavour has defeated me. I have 
> learned that gramps needs to be run in developer mode so that the 
> plugin manager will have an extra tab that allows the user to install 
> plugins; the wiki has told me that I have to run
>
> python -O gramps.py
>
> but I've searched everywhere and cannot find gramps.py. I'm sure it's 
> a very simple matter and I'm a fool for not figuring it out, but I've 
> looked all over and have given up on solving this myself. If anyone 
> could provide lay out the exact steps to getting a plugin installed 
> and working, I'd be very grateful.
>
Don't run Gramps in developer mode.

Install automatically using the "Check Now" button in the "General" tab 
of the preferences.

If you need to do a manual install, just copy the files to your plugins 
directory.

Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] "Select Place" menu is fully expanded

[Nick Hall <nick-h@gr...>]

On 18/06/17 13:20, bubba wrote:
> Somehow my "Select Place" menu has started to open as fully expanded. 
> This makes it take longer to find the proper place to share.
>
> Is there an option somewhere to return this to the nested or 
> unexpanded view?

This change has been reverted in v4.2.6.

Nick.

[Gramps-users] "Select Place" menu is fully expanded

[bubba <rebel@cf...>]

Hi all,

Somehow my "Select Place" menu has started to open as fully expanded.  
This makes it take longer to find the proper place to share.

Is there an option somewhere to return this to the nested or unexpanded 
view?

TIA
Dan

[Gramps-users] Installing a plugin

[<www.internet@ma...>]

I am new to gramps, and I need someone to hold my hand.

I run gramps in Ubuntu 17.04. I've been trying to install a plugin called DescendantsLines, and that endeavour has defeated me. I have learned that gramps needs to be run in developer mode so that the plugin manager will have an extra tab that allows the user to install plugins; the wiki has told me that I have to run

python -O gramps.py

but I've searched everywhere and cannot find gramps.py. I'm sure it's a very simple matter and I'm a fool for not figuring it out, but I've looked all over and have given up on solving this myself. If anyone could provide lay out the exact steps to getting a plugin installed and working, I'd be very grateful.