Re: [Gramps-users] Handling of Dutch names

[Hans B. <ha...@bo...>]

Thanks, Benny!

However, I have ~450 names with prefixes. I don't want to go through all
450 just to change the "Sort As" field.

I appreciate that it's hard to handle all the various nuances of naming
convention in different countries. However, a few simple improvements can
make a big difference:

1) When "Consider single pa/matronymic as surname is checked" and a name
has no surname, the patronymic shouldn't be shown twice. (Perhaps this is a
bug?)

2) For the "People" view, the "View"->"Configure view" should offer the
choice of sorting names by a) unprefixed surname, b) prefixed surname, c)
first name, or d) pa/matronymic.

Genealogy is a very popular pursuit in the Netherlands (so it seems), so
I'm somewhat surprised Gramps doesn't have better support for Dutch
genealogy. And certainly, patronymics are not unique to that country.

Cheers! Hanms


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Benny Malengier
<ben...@gm...>wrote:

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> 2013/3/20 Hans Boldt <ha...@bo...>
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>> Greetings!
>>
>> Half of my ancestry is from the Netherlands. Prior to 1812, patronymics
>> were very common (but not universal) in that country. I've been trying to
>> configure Gramps (3.4.2-1) to handle the patronymics properly, but without
>> success. My question is this: What improvements can we expect in future
>> versions with respect to patronymics?
>>
>> And how have others configured Gramps now to handle Dutch names?
>>
>> So far, the best name format I've been able to come up with is
>> this: "Prefix Primary[sur] NotPatronymic, Given Suffix Patronymic". But it
>> isn't perfect. For example, I've selected "Consider single pa/matronymic as
>> surname", but now I get the patronymic listed twice, at the beginning and
>> end of the name.
>>
>> Also, I'd prefer to put the prefix at the end of the format. However, in
>> the "People" view, the names are still sorted as if the prefix were present
>> at the beginning. For Dutch names, the prefix should not be considered in
>> the sorting of names. (Without that convention, half the names in a Dutch
>> phone book would be in the V section!)
>>
>> Also, within the "People" view, I'd like the option to sort names based
>> on patronymic, as well as the normal surname.
>>
>> To summarize, here are some examples of Dutch name:
>> "Gerrit Moll" (surname only)
>> "Brand Jacobsen" (patronymic only)
>> "Jan Splinterzoon van de Klashorst" (surname and patronymic)
>>
>> (That is, the name may or may not have a normal surname, and it may or
>> may not have a patronymic.)
>>
>> 1) I'd like the names to be displayed as "Moll, Gerrit", "Jacobsen,
>> Brand", and "Klashorst, Jan Splinterzoon van de" (respectively).
>>
>> 2) I'd like to have the choice of sorting on surname without prefix
>> ("Klashorst") or on patronymic ("Splinterzoon").
>>
>> 3) If "Consider single pa/matronymic as surname" is selected, I don't
>> want to see the patronymic listed twice.
>>
>>
> One size fit's all solution can always have problems.
> Take the default display as you defined, and for those you don't like, use
> the Sort As field in the name editor to overrule the default.
>
> Benny
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>> Cheers! Hans
>>
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