From: Doug B. <dou...@gm...> - 2012-04-24 15:39:15
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: > I realise that anyone can edit the wiki, and if I felt confident to, I would. > > Although I *really* like GRAMPS, and am grateful to all its developers > for all the work they've put in, there are various aspects of it that > I find really counter-intuitive (I previously used PAF, then Family > Historian), but whenever I try to get to grips with any of my problems > I seem to find that the online documentation either does not explain > the bit I need (as with the current question about > searching/filtering) or else the terminology and images in the > documentation do not match what I see in front of me onscreen, so I am > really reluctant to make matters worse, in case I have misunderstood > how things (should) work. (If the documentation matched the software, > I'd feel more confident that I have understood things properly and > would be much more likely to add to the documentation myself.) I absolutely understand your hesitation! Here is an idea: if anyone is reading the wiki manual online and you encounter: * something confusing * something wrong * something that is missing Add the word NEEDHELP and describe what is wrong, confusing, or missing--- in as much detail as you can. Occasionally the wiki editors will search for NEEDHELP and fix what they can. Sound good? Thanks! -Doug > Peter > > On 24 April 2012 16:17, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>> Dear Doug, >>> >>> Many thanks for this; a very useful summary and explanation. I hope it >>> could be incorporated into the documentation. >> >> You're welcome! In fact, anyone can turn your hope into reality... >> anyone can edit the Gramps wiki to add detail or ask questions. >> >> I'm not a wiki or documentation expert, but someone will correct what >> we contribute. I couldn't find any particular page that addressed >> these issues, so I stuck it at the top of: >> >> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_3.4_Wiki_Manual_-_Filters >> >> I added this to an upcoming Gramps 3.4 page, so that it will be copied >> forward to future versions (the Gramps 3.4 manual pages were copied >> from Gramps 3.3 pages just a short while ago). Anyone can copy this >> back to Gramps 3.3 pages, and to other languages. >> >> -Doug >> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 24 April 2012 12:56, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: >>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> Dear Jeff, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for this. I can see how your method would work, but it seems >>>>> like an extraordinarily complex way of doing one of the very simplest >>>>> things one might want to do with a filter: find people with a >>>>> particular name! (I find I hard to believe that GRAMPS has been in >>>>> development for so long and that there is not a simpler way of doing >>>>> this. There is, after all, already a filter field called "Name" -- >>>>> it's just that it seems designed to filter on surname or forename but >>>>> not both.) >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone else jump in with suggestions, or explain why this is not >>>>> something that has come up before as a requested feature? >>>> >>>> The search functionality is a little confusing, and we want to clean >>>> that up at some point. But you can easily do what you want. >>>> >>>> First, there are two different mechanisms for searching: the top bar >>>> Search and the side/bottom bar Filter. The top bar Search only appears >>>> when the entire sidebar is closed. You can close/open the >>>> Sidebar/bottombar through menu -> View. >>>> >>>> Search and Filter work completely differently and it is useful to >>>> understand these differences: >>>> >>>> Search - the top bar search looks through the database as it appears >>>> in the rows and columns on the screen. For example, if you have the >>>> Name Display in Preferences set to show "Surname, Given" then you can >>>> match names as you originally tried with "Smith, J" and all of those >>>> rows will match. But if you change the way that names are displayed >>>> (in Preferences) then you will match that. The Search functionality >>>> is probably the one you want to use most of the time, as it is most >>>> straightforward, but has some limitations (see below). >>>> >>>> Filter - the side/bottom bar Filters use a more complex system. It is >>>> not limited to what you see on the screen, but looks at the actual >>>> data. The name search will try to match on any single name part >>>> (given, surname, prefix, etc) of all names but appears to only match >>>> one---you can't match part of given and part of surname as you were >>>> first attempting. You can match surname, but not surname and given in >>>> the same name. (If you Filter on "John", you will get matches of >>>> people with firstname "John" but also those with surname "Johnson". >>>> You just can't filter on combinations of first and lastnames, as you >>>> were attempting). >>>> >>>> Some additional points: >>>> >>>> * The Filter will search alternative names too; Search only looks in >>>> the primary name (the one showing). That is why if you do a Filter on >>>> "Smith" you might see people listed that don't appear to match. But if >>>> you edit that person's details, you might see that they have an >>>> alternate name containing "smith". >>>> >>>> * You can open a bottom bar filter with top bar search, but that seems >>>> buggy; best to use filters only in the sidebar. >>>> >>>> * The Filter allows "regular expressions". So you can find all of the >>>> names that start with "B" and end in "ship": "B*ship". You can't do >>>> that with the top bar Search. >>>> >>>> * The Search will only match what is visible. If a name or text is too >>>> big to see in listing below topbar, then you won't find it. This is >>>> something to keep in mind when Searching through Notes. Best to use >>>> Filter for notes and other long text fields. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps! And I hope that we can integrate these two different >>>> systems into one that can do it all. >>>> >>>> -Doug >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On 22 April 2012 06:25, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Peter, I rushed in without checking what you had done. After >>>>>> consulting the wife who uses Gramps a lot we came up with:--- >>>>>> >>>>>> Go to the filter screen as you have been doing. Select Custom Filter - >>>>>> by clicking on the pencil - then create a rule from the rule list. >>>>>> Give the filter a name. Go to general filters by clicking on the + and >>>>>> scroll down. We selected 'People with the <Name>' and then filled in >>>>>> the value for given name and family name in the appropriate text >>>>>> boxes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then return to ordinary filter and select the named custom filter and find. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this is not clear you can ask again privately. >>>>>> >>>>>> -J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>> Unless I have misunderstood something fundamental, what Jeff seems to >>>>>>> be describing is what I am already doing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anything think what I might be doing wrong? Of the various search >>>>>>> phrases I mentioned, which should work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am using fairly old hardware running Ubuntu 11.04, Gnome 2.32.1, and >>>>>>> GRAMPS 3.3.1-1. Would it help if I post some screenshots? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 April 2012 22:31, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>> From memory so beware but the trick is to make sure you are on the People >>>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>>> Then the search box on the right should work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm probably being dumb, but I can't find the answer to this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When displaying the 'People' category I can use the 'Name' field to >>>>>>>>> filter the people displayed either by entering "John" to get all the >>>>>>>>> people called John, or by entering "Smith" to get all the people >>>>>>>>> called Smith, but it seems that I cannot enter "John Smith", "Smith >>>>>>>>> John", Smith, John", "Smith, J", or any other permutation to get all >>>>>>>>> the people called John Smith. Surely there must be a way to filter on >>>>>>>>> forename+surname, but I have not found it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help would be appreciated! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. >>>>>>>>> Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. >>>>>>>>> Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! >>>>>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Gramps-users mailing list >>>>>>>>> Gra...@li... >>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. >>>>>>> Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. >>>>>>> Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. 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